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Jason
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Important Letter on Autism in Chicago Tribune Reply with quote

In article <0PidndzqlrUwuCrZnZ2dnUVZ8tGdnZ2d@bt.com>, "john"
<sc@nospam.com> wrote:

"Jason Johnson" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

However, at this time, there is absolutely no credible evidence that
mercury/thimerosal causes autism. None. Epidemiological studies on
various populations, using different doses, etc. show NO relationship.

Bollocks, you have no discernment at best
Quote:


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

John,
I don't know which poster made the above statement but I did not make it.
It was probably in a post that I was responding to. I have stated in many
posts that scientists are not 100 per cent sure related to the cause of
autism. Some studies and scientists indicate that mercury does not cause
autism but other scientists and studies indicate that mercury does cause
autism. My opinion is that heavy metals and dangerous chemicals cause
autism. I believe that mercury should be removed from all vaccines and
dental fillings.
Jason
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Important Letter on Autism in Chicago Tribune Reply with quote

john wrote:
Quote:
"Jason Johnson" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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However, at this time, there is absolutely no credible evidence that
mercury/thimerosal causes autism. None. Epidemiological studies on
various populations, using different doses, etc. show NO relationship.

Bollocks, you have no discernment at best

Thanks, John.

Jason did not say that. I did.

Jason does not have a newsreader that can quote properly, or so he says.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Important Letter on Autism in Chicago Tribune Reply with quote

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
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(...)

In Quebec, they wouldn't know the difference.
They had massive mercury poisoning (you find out why) before
vaccinations. DDUUUUHHHH

And, with this "massive mercury poisoning," was there a higher rate of
autism than other parts of Canada or North America?

Jeff


You opened it.

You tell us.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Important Letter on Autism in Chicago Tribune Reply with quote

"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
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(...)

In Quebec, they wouldn't know the difference.
They had massive mercury poisoning (you find out why) before
vaccinations. DDUUUUHHHH

And, with this "massive mercury poisoning," was there a higher rate of
autism than other parts of Canada or North America?

Jeff


You opened it.

Wrong, again, as usual. You claimed that there was massive mercury poisoning
in Quebec. You follow it up.

Jeff
Quote:
You tell us.
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vernon
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Important Letter on Autism in Chicago Tribune Reply with quote

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
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(...)

In Quebec, they wouldn't know the difference.
They had massive mercury poisoning (you find out why) before
vaccinations. DDUUUUHHHH

And, with this "massive mercury poisoning," was there a higher rate of
autism than other parts of Canada or North America?

Jeff


You opened it.

Wrong, again, as usual. You claimed that there was massive mercury
poisoning in Quebec. You follow it up.

Jeff
You tell us.

"same before and after"
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Important Letter on Autism in Chicago Tribune Reply with quote

vernon wrote:
Quote:
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
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(...)

In Quebec, they wouldn't know the difference.
They had massive mercury poisoning (you find out why) before
vaccinations. DDUUUUHHHH
And, with this "massive mercury poisoning," was there a higher rate of
autism than other parts of Canada or North America?

Jeff


You opened it.

You tell us.

No, Vern, YOU opened it..now go prove it...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Important Letter on Autism in Chicago Tribune Reply with quote

vernon wrote:
Quote:
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
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(...)

In Quebec, they wouldn't know the difference.
They had massive mercury poisoning (you find out why) before
vaccinations. DDUUUUHHHH
And, with this "massive mercury poisoning," was there a higher rate of
autism than other parts of Canada or North America?

Jeff

You opened it.
Wrong, again, as usual. You claimed that there was massive mercury
poisoning in Quebec. You follow it up.

Jeff
You tell us.

"same before and after"

In fact, in the exposure of the indigenous people to MeHg, studies found
no adverse effects in children and inconclusive in adults.

Imagine that.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:34 am    Post subject: Re: Important Letter on Autism in Chicago Tribune Reply with quote

"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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john wrote:
"Jason Johnson" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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However, at this time, there is absolutely no credible evidence that
mercury/thimerosal causes autism. None. Epidemiological studies on
various populations, using different doses, etc. show NO relationship.

Bollocks, you have no discernment at best

Thanks, John.

Jason did not say that. I did.

Jason does not have a newsreader that can quote properly, or so he says.

DTABOR...click on Jason's message.

In article <xsUsg.28$Pg1.3@fe11.lga>, Mark Probert
<markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:


Quote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Peter,
I done a google search for "causes of autism" and found out that
scientists are not 100 per cent sure related to the cause of autism. I
have noticed that various posters on both sides of this issue have
indicated in their posts the following: I am paraphrasing:

thimerosal causes autism.
thimerosal does not cause autism.
mercury causes autism.
mercury doew not cause autism.

The truth is that scientists are NOT 100 percent sure related to the
cause
of autism.

However, at this time, there is absolutely no credible evidence that
mercury/thimerosal causes autism. None. Epidemiological studies on
various populations, using different doses, etc. show NO relationship.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mark,
There are other studies mentioned in this report that do show a
relationship.

I typed "causes of autism" into the google search engine and could not find
any medical research reports related to the cause of autism. I found the
following
information at the EIR (Environmental Illness Resources) website. I deleted
the
portions of the article related to causes other than heavy metals such as
chemical exposure.

Source: EIR website

Heavy Metal Toxicity
Another finding in autistic children is a higher level of heavy metals
than normal. One source of mercury exposure in early life is through
vaccinations. Thimerosal is a preservative used in many vaccinations to
prevent contamination. Thimerosal is 49.6% mercury by weight. Shockingly
in 1999 the American Food and Drug Administration released a report
stating that children who received thimerosal containing vaccinations at
multiple visits may be exposed to more mercury than is recommended by
federal guidelines. In fact, children may have been receiving 100 times
the 0.1 micrograms per kilogram of daily exposure considered safe by most
authorities worldwide. This report has, however, resulted in positive
action being taken. Following the publication of the report, the
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and Centers for Disease Control
(CDC) recommended that thimerosal be removed from all vaccines given to
children. A study of 2 US government databases in March 2006 shows that in
the 4 years following the recommended removal of thimerosal from childrens
vaccines, exposure of children to this toxin was reduced to almost zero,
and most importantly, new cases of autism actually began to decrease.

Mercury is a known neurotoxin and could be especially harmful to the
developing brains of young children. Mercury also disrupts biochemistry
and can result in dysfunction of multiple enzyme systems and damage to
cell membranes and many proteins involved in all bodily functions. As can
be said for the MMR vaccine, increases in vaccinations correlate well with
increases in incidence of ASD's.

In a paper published in the journal Neurotoxicology by The Coalition for
Safe Minds in 2001, the authors seek to determine the levels of mercury
that could be expected upon hair analysis, based upon the amounts of
mercury in vaccines routinely given to infants and children.(12). The
paper predicts, based upon a proven model, that giving children all the
usual vaccinations, using thimerosal containing vaccines would result in a
hair concentration of greater than 1ppm (parts per million) of mercury for
up to 365 days with various peaks during that period. 1ppm is the safe
limit set by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Research at the
UCLA Medical Center in California has also shown that Thimerosal (when
bound to human albumin protein) triggers an immune system reaction in
autistic children, resulting in the production of antibodies (17). This
indicates a possible autoimmune reaction as the immune system could react
against any of the child's own tissues that happen to have Thimerosal
bound to them.

Obviously children are exposed to mercury from other sources as well so
their actual mercury levels could be expected to be even higher than this.
The paper notes that:

"exposure to low levels of mercury during critical stages of development
has been associated with neurological disorders in children, including
ADD, learning difficulties, and speech delays, the predicted hair Hg
(mercury) concentration resulting from childhood immunizations is cause
for concern."

A paper published in March 2006 in Environmental Health Perspectives would
seem to shed more light on the mechanisms by which thimerosal can damage a
childs health. Researchers at University of California, Davis, have found
that in mice at least, thimerosal can disrupt the immune system. This
large, well funded study for the university's MIND Institute and the
National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences is sure to be an
important indicator of where future research should be focused. The
researchers in this study looked at dendritic cells which can be described
as messengers within the immune system. These cells take up invaders such
as bacteria, viruses and other antigens such as vaccine ingredients and
process them. They then migrate to the lymph nodes to present their
information to other immune cells, which can activate a systemic immune
response. The research shows that these dendritic cells, especially the
normal biochemical signals they process, are highly sensitive to
thimerosal. With low concentrations of thimerosal, an inflammatory
response occurs and with higher concentrations the cell is actually
killed. These reactions could lead to any number of unwanted, and
uncontrolled, effects within the immune system.

Autistic children often show signs of immunological dysfunction with
allergies, gut disorders and frequent infections being common. The effects
of thimerosal on the immune system, that this study demonstrates, provides
one possible explanation of why this is the case.

Of course, mercury is not the only heavy metal that can cause health
problems and vaccinations are not the only source of exposure to mercury.
Other possible sources of heavy metal exposure are contaminated food and
water supplies. Fish is particularly associated with contamination as
oceanic pollution becomes more concentrated as it moves up the food chain
to predatory fish..



Chemical Exposure
A number of researchers and institutions are now studying the possible
role of exposure to chemicals in ASD's. A major study is underway at The
UC Davis M.I.N.D. Institute, Schools of Medicine and Veterinary Medicine,
and the College of Agricultural and Environmental Sciences funded by the
National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences. Professor Isaac
Pessah who is involved with this study states:

" Environmental exp
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:51 am    Post subject: Re: Important Letter on Autism in Chicago Tribune Reply with quote

"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
vernon wrote:
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ieQtg.8478$cd3.5425@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
news:44b7c2bc$0$13251$88260bb3@news-taz.teranews.com...
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sBNtg.7493$ye3.2716@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
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(...)

In Quebec, they wouldn't know the difference.
They had massive mercury poisoning (you find out why) before
vaccinations. DDUUUUHHHH
And, with this "massive mercury poisoning," was there a higher rate of
autism than other parts of Canada or North America?

Jeff

You opened it.
Wrong, again, as usual. You claimed that there was massive mercury
poisoning in Quebec. You follow it up.

Jeff
You tell us.

"same before and after"

In fact, in the exposure of the indigenous people to MeHg, studies found
no adverse effects in children and inconclusive in adults.

Imagine that.

Mark lies.


http://epw.senate.gov/hearing_statements.cfm?id=212851

http://newton.nap.edu/execsumm_pdf/9899.pdf

http://www1.umn.edu/eoh/hazards/hazardssite/mercury/merchealtheffects.html#Anchor-Toxicity-43793

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12852200&dopt=Abstract

For starters.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Important Letter on Autism in Chicago Tribune Reply with quote

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Quote:

"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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vernon wrote:
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
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(...)

In Quebec, they wouldn't know the difference.
They had massive mercury poisoning (you find out why) before
vaccinations. DDUUUUHHHH
And, with this "massive mercury poisoning," was there a higher rate
of autism than other parts of Canada or North America?

Jeff

You opened it.
Wrong, again, as usual. You claimed that there was massive mercury
poisoning in Quebec. You follow it up.

Jeff
You tell us.

"same before and after"

In fact, in the exposure of the indigenous people to MeHg, studies found
no adverse effects in children and inconclusive in adults.

Imagine that.

Mark lies.




Many have a problem with logic.

1. There is a present day widespread mercury tainting some say is the cause
of autism.
2. It is much more than years ago.
3. Quebec has seen no difference.
4. Quebec has the same ratio today as other areas and countries.
5. What was in Quebec years ago?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 2:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Important Letter on Autism in Chicago Tribune Reply with quote

Mark Probert wrote:
Quote:
vernon wrote:
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ieQtg.8478$cd3.5425@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
news:44b7c2bc$0$13251$88260bb3@news-taz.teranews.com...
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sBNtg.7493$ye3.2716@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
news:44b7a25c$0$9485$88260bb3@news-taz.teranews.com...

(...)

In Quebec, they wouldn't know the difference.
They had massive mercury poisoning (you find out why) before
vaccinations. DDUUUUHHHH
And, with this "massive mercury poisoning," was there a higher rate
of autism than other parts of Canada or North America?

Jeff

You opened it.
Wrong, again, as usual. You claimed that there was massive mercury
poisoning in Quebec. You follow it up.

Jeff
You tell us.

"same before and after"

In fact, in the exposure of the indigenous people to MeHg, studies found
no adverse effects in children and inconclusive in adults.

Imagine that.


Just for clarification....my comments pertain specifically to Vernon's
mentioned incident of massive mercury poisoning in Quebec.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 2:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Important Letter on Autism in Chicago Tribune Reply with quote

vernon wrote:
Quote:
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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vernon wrote:
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ieQtg.8478$cd3.5425@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
news:44b7c2bc$0$13251$88260bb3@news-taz.teranews.com...
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sBNtg.7493$ye3.2716@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
news:44b7a25c$0$9485$88260bb3@news-taz.teranews.com...

(...)

In Quebec, they wouldn't know the difference.
They had massive mercury poisoning (you find out why) before
vaccinations. DDUUUUHHHH
And, with this "massive mercury poisoning," was there a higher rate
of autism than other parts of Canada or North America?

Jeff
You opened it.
Wrong, again, as usual. You claimed that there was massive mercury
poisoning in Quebec. You follow it up.

Jeff
You tell us.
"same before and after"
In fact, in the exposure of the indigenous people to MeHg, studies found
no adverse effects in children and inconclusive in adults.

Imagine that.
Mark lies.




Many have a problem with logic.

Vernon, my comments pertained specifically to the incident you
mentioned. If you disagree, find proof that I am wrong. Note that I did
research this issue and found studies that support my position.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Important Letter on Autism in Chicago Tribune Reply with quote

"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
vernon wrote:
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:xKYtg.66822$Lm5.25929@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:bYRtg.2626$F_6.1171@fe12.lga...
vernon wrote:
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ieQtg.8478$cd3.5425@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
news:44b7c2bc$0$13251$88260bb3@news-taz.teranews.com...
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sBNtg.7493$ye3.2716@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
news:44b7a25c$0$9485$88260bb3@news-taz.teranews.com...

(...)

In Quebec, they wouldn't know the difference.
They had massive mercury poisoning (you find out why) before
vaccinations. DDUUUUHHHH
And, with this "massive mercury poisoning," was there a higher rate
of autism than other parts of Canada or North America?

Jeff
You opened it.
Wrong, again, as usual. You claimed that there was massive mercury
poisoning in Quebec. You follow it up.

Jeff
You tell us.
"same before and after"
In fact, in the exposure of the indigenous people to MeHg, studies
found no adverse effects in children and inconclusive in adults.

Imagine that.
Mark lies.




Many have a problem with logic.

Vernon, my comments pertained specifically to the incident you mentioned.
If you disagree, find proof that I am wrong. Note that I did research this
issue and found studies that support my position.

No. Your words are above.

You lied.

http://epw.senate.gov/hearing_statements.cfm?id=212851


http://newton.nap.edu/execsumm_pdf/9899.pdf


http://www1.umn.edu/eoh/hazards/hazardssite/mercury/merchealtheffects...


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&...


For starters.

Now..YOU are once again weaseling.

Which is EXACT what you accuse others' of.
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