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Richard
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Which Autoclave to buy for a Perio Practice?
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I am planning to buy a new autoclave for my Periodontic practice. I need a
large capacity, a short cycle that results in dry wrapped instruments(in
plastic pouches). I use Hu-Friedy carbide tip currettes. I would like to
avoid corrosion. In practice how long is the dry cycle for plastic wrapped
instruments for the Tuttnauer EZ10k autoclave? What is the repair record for
this autoclave? I hear varying stories from technicians in the local repair
departments in Vancouver, Canada.
Some swear by the Tuttnauer EZ10k while others rave that the Statim 5000
has the best repair record. Is there a Consumer Report for autoclaves?
Does anyone have long term experience with this`equipment? |
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Joel M. Eichen
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Excellent questions .... I am awaiting answers from the experts!
Thanks and welcome!
Joel M. Eichen DDS
Philadelphia PA
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 03:06:14 GMT, "Richard" <rmigi@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I am planning to buy a new autoclave for my Periodontic practice. I need a
large capacity, a short cycle that results in dry wrapped instruments(in
plastic pouches). I use Hu-Friedy carbide tip currettes. I would like to
avoid corrosion. In practice how long is the dry cycle for plastic wrapped
instruments for the Tuttnauer EZ10k autoclave? What is the repair record for
this autoclave? I hear varying stories from technicians in the local repair
departments in Vancouver, Canada.
Some swear by the Tuttnauer EZ10k while others rave that the Statim 5000
has the best repair record. Is there a Consumer Report for autoclaves?
Does anyone have long term experience with this`equipment?
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Amatus Cremona
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I am planning to buy a new autoclave for my Periodontal practice. I need a
large capacity, a short cycle that results in dry wrapped instruments(in
plastic pouches).
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I like the Midmark M11. It does end up getting one service call about every
2 years. I keep an old P-C OCM in the mechanical room for back-up.
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"Richard" <rmigi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I am planning to buy a new autoclave for my Periodontic practice. I need a
large capacity, a short cycle that results in dry wrapped instruments(in
plastic pouches). I use Hu-Friedy carbide tip currettes. I would like to
avoid corrosion. In practice how long is the dry cycle for plastic wrapped
instruments for the Tuttnauer EZ10k autoclave? What is the repair record
for this autoclave? I hear varying stories from technicians in the local
repair departments in Vancouver, Canada.
Some swear by the Tuttnauer EZ10k while others rave that the Statim 5000
has the best repair record. Is there a Consumer Report for autoclaves?
Does anyone have long term experience with this`equipment?
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mabel
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"Richard" <rmigi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I am planning to buy a new autoclave for my Periodontic practice. I need a
large capacity, a short cycle that results in dry wrapped instruments(in
plastic pouches). I use Hu-Friedy carbide tip currettes. I would like to
avoid corrosion. In practice how long is the dry cycle for plastic wrapped
instruments for the Tuttnauer EZ10k autoclave? What is the repair record
for this autoclave? I hear varying stories from technicians in the local
repair departments in Vancouver, Canada.
Some swear by the Tuttnauer EZ10k while others rave that the Statim 5000
has the best repair record. Is there a Consumer Report for autoclaves?
Does anyone have long term experience with this`equipment?
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I've been using the Tuttnauer EZ10k for about 3 years. So far no repairs.
The preset dry cycle is 30 minutes, but can be adjusted for whatever works
for you. In general the less instruments in the autoclave the drier they
will be. Most times they are not totally dry at the end of 30 minutes. You
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Bill
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Hi Mabel,
Thanks for replying to my question on sci.med.dentistry. I could not get
good information from any dealeron the Tuttnauer EZ10k . You said that it
takes 30 minutes for the instruments to dry.Is the 30 minutes in the
plastic bags or in the cassettes?
Richard
"mabel" <mabel@nospam.net> wrote in message
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"Richard" <rmigi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:GCl1f.9307$yS6.9277@clgrps12...
I am planning to buy a new autoclave for my Periodontic practice. I need
a large capacity, a short cycle that results in dry wrapped instruments(in
plastic pouches). I use Hu-Friedy carbide tip currettes. I would like to
avoid corrosion. In practice how long is the dry cycle for plastic
wrapped instruments for the Tuttnauer EZ10k autoclave? What is the repair
record for this autoclave? I hear varying stories from technicians in the
local repair departments in Vancouver, Canada.
Some swear by the Tuttnauer EZ10k while others rave that the Statim
5000 has the best repair record. Is there a Consumer Report for
autoclaves? Does anyone have long term experience with this`equipment?
I've been using the Tuttnauer EZ10k for about 3 years. So far no repairs.
The preset dry cycle is 30 minutes, but can be adjusted for whatever works
for you. In general the less instruments in the autoclave the drier they
will be. Most times they are not totally dry at the end of 30 minutes.
You can also run just a dry cycle if they are not dry enough.
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mabel
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Hi Richard,
That would be in bags. The bags I use are plastic on one side and paper on
the other. With careful loading they will be dry in 30 minutes, if not I
sometimes run just a dry cycle for 10 minutes. The preset sterilization
cycle is 8 minutes, again that can be adjusted. The 8 minutes seemed short
to me at first, but all the spore tests come back negative.
You have to plan on 1 hour for the complete cycle because it takes 15-20
minutes to reach temperature and pressure.
Mabel
"Bill" <Bill@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hi Mabel,
Thanks for replying to my question on sci.med.dentistry. I could not get
good information from any dealeron the Tuttnauer EZ10k . You said that it
takes 30 minutes for the instruments to dry.Is the 30 minutes in the
plastic bags or in the cassettes?
Richard
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Richard
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Hi Mabel,
You are so kind to continue to respond to my questions. Are you saying that
each time I start a cycle during the day, it takes 15 to 20 minutes to reach
the proper temperature and pressure before the sterilization cycle actually
starts? I suppose if instruments are needed in a hurry, they can be removed
hot and wet right after the sterilization cycle. Otherwise they can be
contained in a cassette where they would dry quicker.
Is it worthwhile buying the printer feature?
Richard
"mabel" <mabel@nospam.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hi Richard,
That would be in bags. The bags I use are plastic on one side and paper
on the other. With careful loading they will be dry in 30 minutes, if not
I sometimes run just a dry cycle for 10 minutes. The preset sterilization
cycle is 8 minutes, again that can be adjusted. The 8 minutes seemed
short to me at first, but all the spore tests come back negative.
You have to plan on 1 hour for the complete cycle because it takes 15-20
minutes to reach temperature and pressure.
Mabel
"Bill" <Bill@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uqZ1f.6415$y_1.5634@edtnps89...
Hi Mabel,
Thanks for replying to my question on sci.med.dentistry. I could not get
good information from any dealeron the Tuttnauer EZ10k . You said that
it takes 30 minutes for the instruments to dry.Is the 30 minutes in the
plastic bags or in the cassettes?
Richard
"mabel" <mabel@nospam.net> wrote in message
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mabel
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Hi Richard,
Yes it will take 15 to 20 minutes to reach the proper temperature and
pressure each time you start it. There is a shorter cycle for unwrapped
instruments (I think it is 3 minutes) that doesn't have a dry cycle. You
should be able to get the unwrapped cycle done in 20 minutes or less,
depending on how warm the sterilizer is when you start. The longer cycle
still will be done in less than 30 minutes if you take them out wet. I don't
think it is worth paying extra for the printer. I had one on the old
sterilizer only because it was included as a special. Unless you are going
to mark the instruments with the date and run number and keep all the
information in the patient record, it isn't really going to be of much use.
The sterilizer will tell you the cycle failed if it doesn't reach proper
temperature and pressure.
Mabel
"Richard" <rmigi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hi Mabel,
You are so kind to continue to respond to my questions. Are you saying
that each time I start a cycle during the day, it takes 15 to 20 minutes
to reach the proper temperature and pressure before the sterilization
cycle actually starts? I suppose if instruments are needed in a hurry,
they can be removed hot and wet right after the sterilization cycle.
Otherwise they can be contained in a cassette where they would dry
quicker.
Is it worthwhile buying the printer feature?
Richard
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Joel M. Eichen
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:21 pm Post subject:
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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 12:36:59 GMT, "mabel" <mabel@nospam.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Hi Richard,
That would be in bags. The bags I use are plastic on one side and paper on
the other. With careful loading they will be dry in 30 minutes, if not I
sometimes run just a dry cycle for 10 minutes.
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Wow!
I never thought of that! Thanks.
Over here we put 'em in an old salad shooter and we spin the handle
until the lettuce, I mean the instruments are devoid of water.
Joel |
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