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RoastedBillyGoates@hotmai
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:24 pm    Post subject: www.scimeddentistry.com - policy violation or bug? Reply with quote

Logged in and posted 4x:
http://www.scimeddentistry.com/phpBB2/search.php?search_author=RBG
now the login has been disabled.

It's not like anything about amalgm fillings was posted at all - just
crown options and DMOs, amicably discussed.

Are non-destists not welcome?
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Joel M. Eichen
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:10 am    Post subject: Re: www.scimeddentistry.com - policy violation or bug? Reply with quote

It must be a glitch ... I have never heard
of that before, even with Falp around .....


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:19 pm    Post subject: Re: www.scimeddentistry.com - policy violation or bug? Reply with quote

The first forum had to be disabled. The new software dd not allow saving the
previous posts and log-ins. Sorry.

Feel free to re-register. We have had a few new log-ins who attached porn
websites to their login. These were deleted


<RoastedBillyGoates@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Logged in and posted 4x:
http://www.scimeddentistry.com/phpBB2/search.php?search_author=RBG
now the login has been disabled.

It's not like anything about amalgm fillings was posted at all - just
crown options and DMOs, amicably discussed.

Are non-destists not welcome?
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Amatus Cremona
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:22 pm    Post subject: Re: www.scimeddentistry.com - policy violation or bug? Reply with quote

www.scimeddentistry.com/SMD


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Quote:
The first forum had to be disabled. The new software dd not allow saving
the previous posts and log-ins. Sorry.

Feel free to re-register. We have had a few new log-ins who attached porn
websites to their login. These were deleted


RoastedBillyGoates@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151522660.205760.159370@x69g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
Logged in and posted 4x:
http://www.scimeddentistry.com/phpBB2/search.php?search_author=RBG
now the login has been disabled.

It's not like anything about amalgm fillings was posted at all - just
crown options and DMOs, amicably discussed.

Are non-destists not welcome?


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Steven Bornfeld
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:11 pm    Post subject: Re: www.scimeddentistry.com - policy violation or bug? Reply with quote

Amatus Cremona wrote:
Quote:
www.scimeddentistry.com/SMD

Not Found
The requested document was not found on this server.

Steve

Quote:


"Amatus Cremona" <nicola@..amanti.com> wrote in message
news:X4adnbfUWLV6SDrZnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@wideopenwest.com...

The first forum had to be disabled. The new software dd not allow saving
the previous posts and log-ins. Sorry.

Feel free to re-register. We have had a few new log-ins who attached porn
websites to their login. These were deleted


RoastedBillyGoates@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151522660.205760.159370@x69g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...

Logged in and posted 4x:
http://www.scimeddentistry.com/phpBB2/search.php?search_author=RBG
now the login has been disabled.

It's not like anything about amalgm fillings was posted at all - just
crown options and DMOs, amicably discussed.

Are non-destists not welcome?




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Bill
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:05 pm    Post subject: Re: www.scimeddentistry.com - policy violation or bug? Reply with quote

Steven Bornfeld wrote:
Quote:
Amatus Cremona wrote:
www.scimeddentistry.com/SMD

Not Found
The requested document was not found on this server.

Steve

____________________


Dang, I got the same message this morning.

- dentaldoc
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Joel M. Eichen
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:13 am    Post subject: Re: www.scimeddentistry.com - policy violation or bug? Reply with quote

I guess all you guys (three of you) might want to come back over here
..... nntp:SMD


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RoastedBillyGoates@hotmai
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:43 pm    Post subject: Re: www.scimeddentistry.com - policy violation or bug? Reply with quote

Amatus Cremona wrote:
Quote:
The first forum had to be disabled. The new software dd not allow saving the
previous posts and log-ins. Sorry.
Oh, I see. You've deleted the forums twice now. Sad

Thanks for trying.
Seems like you'll need more help to do this well.



(Email to me without 'this is not spam' in the subject is directed
straight to the trash unread by automatic filters.)
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RoastedBillyGoates@hotmai
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:17 am    Post subject: Re: www.scimeddentistry.com - something's fishy. Reply with quote

Joel344 wrote:
Quote:
I guess all you guys (three of you) might want to come back over here
..... nntp:SMD

Hmm... oddly, the posts are still there. Seems fishy. The account was
'disappeared', the posts are still there; efforts to create/recreate an
account have been unsuccessful:
<snip>
Rude office staff; no care in HMO


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:21 am Post subject: Rude office
staff; no care in HMO Reply with quote
I got a root canal on a molar (#19), and need crown lengthening, etc so
I can get a crown put on. When I ask the office staff for pricing for
the different options, they act like I 'm asking about their sex lives.
They acted offended and flat out refused to provide pricing or schedule
and appointment. (After it happened once, I got a second opinion, and
the same thing happened.) WTF? It seems there's no such thing as an
honest dentist who'll take my MDC (HMO) insurance. Complaining hasn't
helped, so the only way I'll get care seems to be to hire a trial
lawyer, or go on a 'dental vacation' to somewhere with care I can
afford out-of-network. Comments? Anyone know a good lawyer?

PS Amatus, thanks for providing these forums!
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amatus
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Your problem is the HMO.

A dental office will lose money doing a crown and surgery on your
tooth.

Do we need to discuss this further for you?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:25 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
"amatus":
Quote:
Your problem is the HMO.
A dental office will lose money doing a crown and surgery on your
tooth.

I don't know their costs, but I believe you (at least if they charge
what they've agreed to charge). I pay about $400 ($100 for crown, +
misc), I THINK insurance pays about $300 on top of that. Out of
network, it would be about $1200 (950+250). Based on what you said, it
seems either doctors decline to accept this HMO, or they accept it and
committ fraud in order to not just not lose money, but make more than
they'd make on non-HMO patients.

(The above are costs for just the porcelain+gold crown and post+core, -
NOT including the root canal or crown lengthening surgery.)

If they charge me what they want to and tried to (more than the
negotiated rate) for the crown alone, that would be $800 for gold, or
$925 for a ceramic crown, or $1000 for something new called
'lava(zirconia)' - anyone heard of this*? I know what cubic zirconia
is; are they making crowns out of it now? No, it's just ceramic. Has a
5 year no-crack warranty.

*Google answered this:
http://cms.3m.com/cms/US/en/2-21/kzikuFW/view.jhtml

PS: My main dentist keeps delaying and cancelling treatment. I got the
root canal April 21, and have been trying to get it done ASAP ever
since! The tooth is in contact with the opposing tooth when I bite.
It's already chipped (about 2 weeks ago). I'm going for a consult in a
couple weeks, when I expect they'll send me for crown lengthening,
which I fear will take 2 months (1 month for the appointment, 1 month
for recovery) and then another month for the first crown appointment
(molding), and another month for the second crown appointment
(cementing). DMO, HMO, MDC Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or
Very Mad .

I wonder if I should give up trying to get the care the DMO Plan
Contract says I should be able to get in a reasonable amount of time.

I also wonder if the treatment itself would be different out of HMO.

Since you may be less than keen to comment on the above, I do have a
more specific/medical question: For this tooth, any comments on what
kind of crown to get? I can't get any specifics on how soon/how often
the (very inexpensive) porcelain/ceramic substrate crowns crack when
used for molars. The advice I've received suggests they're a bad idea,
but given the other issues, I'm concerned that the advice is biased -
especially after seeing that 3M's ceramic lava crowns have a 5 year
warranty. Forking over $200 more for gold seems somewhat reasonable;
forking over $900 more for 'lava' doesn't.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:24 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Personally, if you can afford it, I would ditch the HMO. A poor
insurance is just a waste of money, little good than no insurance at
all. Go for a traditional indemnity plan if you can, otherwise just put
some money every month in a separate high-interest account and use it
only on dental/medical emergencies.
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stovepipe
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:54 pm Post subject: Reply with
quote
Howdy...

1) "Lava" is a zirconium thimble with high fusion ceramics around it.
Very strong. No personal experience with it, but IMO, 3M doesn't
usually fool around.

2) Before anything, treat the underlying cause of the problem, which
IMO, would be clenching forces, that tend to destroy the teeth. Those
forces will tend to destroy _ANY_ restoratrion you have on that tooth,
be it filling or crown. I would recommend an NTI, if you are a
candidate for that.

http://www.nti-tss.com

3) Crowns: if you have pathological forces controlled in your mouth,
most standard crowns or CEREC type restorations should hold up well,
IMO.

Sorry about the insruance inssues.... You are definitely not alone
there...

Hope you get the NTI. Please let the group know how it goes. Smile
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amatus
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
HMO (DMO), in dentistry, is very different from medicine. In dentistry,
everything we do is a "procedure", while in medicine, most of what is
done is a "Diagnosis and Rx". A medical practice will have patients in
4-6 rooms at the same time, and most of the care is given by the
medical assistant. In dentistry, the dentist can ony be working in the
room he is physically in at the time. Costs of performing dental
service compares better to an operating room (although not as high as a
hospital OR). So, when the insurance carrier offers an HMO (DMO) which
is paying $9 per month for every person enroled with the dental office,
and will not pay any more if a procedure is performed; the incentive is
not to perform care, or only perform procedures which are not covered
by the HMO (DMO), so that full price can be charged. A dental office
cannot provide a "normal" crown at $500 and break even. The overhead
cost to produce that crown are usually more than that. HMO (DMO) in
dentistry is not a good thing.

As far as material, I do all porcelain crowns on every tooth I am
placing a crown on. I have a CAD-CAM machine which mills the crown
while tha patient reads a magazine. With this technology, there is no
need to do a core, so that is not billed out. Also, the need for crown
lengthening is greatly reduced as well.

Material choices for a crown is a good topic. If you wish to compare
ideas and thoughts on this, start a new discussion thread.
_________________
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is based on. A real life physical examination is always requried to
confirm diagnoses and treatment options.
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Amatus Cremona
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Joined: 03 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:15 pm    Post subject: Re: www.scimeddentistry.com - policy violation or bug? Reply with quote

Try

http://www.scimeddentistry.com/phpBB2/


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Quote:


Amatus Cremona wrote:
www.scimeddentistry.com/SMD

Not Found
The requested document was not found on this server.

Steve



"Amatus Cremona" <nicola@..amanti.com> wrote in message
news:X4adnbfUWLV6SDrZnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@wideopenwest.com...

The first forum had to be disabled. The new software dd not allow saving
the previous posts and log-ins. Sorry.

Feel free to re-register. We have had a few new log-ins who attached porn
websites to their login. These were deleted


RoastedBillyGoates@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1151522660.205760.159370@x69g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...

Logged in and posted 4x:
http://www.scimeddentistry.com/phpBB2/search.php?search_author=RBG
now the login has been disabled.

It's not like anything about amalgm fillings was posted at all - just
crown options and DMOs, amicably discussed.

Are non-destists not welcome?





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Amatus Cremona
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Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Posts: 1005

PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:19 pm    Post subject: Re: www.scimeddentistry.com - something's fishy. Reply with quote

Any chance you had a web-page attached to your profile? We have had trouble
with people trying to attach web-pages leading to porn sites. These
accounts get immediately deleted. Perhaps your account got plucked by
accident?

<RoastedBillyGoates@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

Joel344 wrote:
I guess all you guys (three of you) might want to come back over here
..... nntp:SMD

Hmm... oddly, the posts are still there. Seems fishy. The account was
'disappeared', the posts are still there; efforts to create/recreate an
account have been unsuccessful:
snip
Rude office staff; no care in HMO


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:21 am Post subject: Rude office
staff; no care in HMO Reply with quote
I got a root canal on a molar (#19), and need crown lengthening, etc so
I can get a crown put on. When I ask the office staff for pricing for
the different options, they act like I 'm asking about their sex lives.
They acted offended and flat out refused to provide pricing or schedule
and appointment. (After it happened once, I got a second opinion, and
the same thing happened.) WTF? It seems there's no such thing as an
honest dentist who'll take my MDC (HMO) insurance. Complaining hasn't
helped, so the only way I'll get care seems to be to hire a trial
lawyer, or go on a 'dental vacation' to somewhere with care I can
afford out-of-network. Comments? Anyone know a good lawyer?

PS Amatus, thanks for providing these forums!
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amatus
Site Admin


Joined: 01 May 2006
Posts: 34


PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Your problem is the HMO.

A dental office will lose money doing a crown and surgery on your
tooth.

Do we need to discuss this further for you?
_________________
Internet advice and consultation is only as good as the information it
is based on. A real life physical examination is always requried to
confirm diagnoses and treatment options.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:25 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
"amatus":
Quote:
Your problem is the HMO.
A dental office will lose money doing a crown and surgery on your
tooth.

I don't know their costs, but I believe you (at least if they charge
what they've agreed to charge). I pay about $400 ($100 for crown, +
misc), I THINK insurance pays about $300 on top of that. Out of
network, it would be about $1200 (950+250). Based on what you said, it
seems either doctors decline to accept this HMO, or they accept it and
committ fraud in order to not just not lose money, but make more than
they'd make on non-HMO patients.

(The above are costs for just the porcelain+gold crown and post+core, -
NOT including the root canal or crown lengthening surgery.)

If they charge me what they want to and tried to (more than the
negotiated rate) for the crown alone, that would be $800 for gold, or
$925 for a ceramic crown, or $1000 for something new called
'lava(zirconia)' - anyone heard of this*? I know what cubic zirconia
is; are they making crowns out of it now? No, it's just ceramic. Has a
5 year no-crack warranty.

*Google answered this:
http://cms.3m.com/cms/US/en/2-21/kzikuFW/view.jhtml

PS: My main dentist keeps delaying and cancelling treatment. I got the
root canal April 21, and have been trying to get it done ASAP ever
since! The tooth is in contact with the opposing tooth when I bite.
It's already chipped (about 2 weeks ago). I'm going for a consult in a
couple weeks, when I expect they'll send me for crown lengthening,
which I fear will take 2 months (1 month for the appointment, 1 month
for recovery) and then another month for the first crown appointment
(molding), and another month for the second crown appointment
(cementing). DMO, HMO, MDC Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or
Very Mad .

I wonder if I should give up trying to get the care the DMO Plan
Contract says I should be able to get in a reasonable amount of time.

I also wonder if the treatment itself would be different out of HMO.

Since you may be less than keen to comment on the above, I do have a
more specific/medical question: For this tooth, any comments on what
kind of crown to get? I can't get any specifics on how soon/how often
the (very inexpensive) porcelain/ceramic substrate crowns crack when
used for molars. The advice I've received suggests they're a bad idea,
but given the other issues, I'm concerned that the advice is biased -
especially after seeing that 3M's ceramic lava crowns have a 5 year
warranty. Forking over $200 more for gold seems somewhat reasonable;
forking over $900 more for 'lava' doesn't.
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BigG
Moon


Joined: 13 May 2006
Posts: 8


PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:24 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Personally, if you can afford it, I would ditch the HMO. A poor
insurance is just a waste of money, little good than no insurance at
all. Go for a traditional indemnity plan if you can, otherwise just put
some money every month in a separate high-interest account and use it
only on dental/medical emergencies.
_________________
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George
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stovepipe
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Joined: 15 May 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:54 pm Post subject: Reply with
quote
Howdy...

1) "Lava" is a zirconium thimble with high fusion ceramics around it.
Very strong. No personal experience with it, but IMO, 3M doesn't
usually fool around.

2) Before anything, treat the underlying cause of the problem, which
IMO, would be clenching forces, that tend to destroy the teeth. Those
forces will tend to destroy _ANY_ restoratrion you have on that tooth,
be it filling or crown. I would recommend an NTI, if you are a
candidate for that.

http://www.nti-tss.com

3) Crowns: if you have pathological forces controlled in your mouth,
most standard crowns or CEREC type restorations should hold up well,
IMO.

Sorry about the insruance inssues.... You are definitely not alone
there...

Hope you get the NTI. Please let the group know how it goes. Smile
_________________
Cheers, Mateys; Let me know if you email me
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
HMO (DMO), in dentistry, is very different from medicine. In dentistry,
everything we do is a "procedure", while in medicine, most of what is
done is a "Diagnosis and Rx". A medical practice will have patients in
4-6 rooms at the same time, and most of the care is given by the
medical assistant. In dentistry, the dentist can ony be working in the
room he is physically in at the time. Costs of performing dental
service compares better to an operating room (although not as high as a
hospital OR). So, when the insurance carrier offers an HMO (DMO) which
is paying $9 per month for every person enroled with the dental office,
and will not pay any more if a procedure is performed; the incentive is
not to perform care, or only perform procedures which are not covered
by the HMO (DMO), so that full price can be charged. A dental office
cannot provide a "normal" crown at $500 and break even. The overhead
cost to produce that crown are usually more than that. HMO (DMO) in
dentistry is not a good thing.

As far as material, I do all porcelain crowns on every tooth I am
placing a crown on. I have a CAD-CAM machine which mills the crown
while tha patient reads a magazine. With this technology, there is no
need to do a core, so that is not billed out. Also, the need for crown
lengthening is greatly reduced as well.

Material choices for a crown is a good topic. If you wish to compare
ideas and thoughts on this, start a new discussion thread.
_________________
Internet advice and consultation is only as good as the information it
is based on. A real life physical examination is always requried to
confirm diagnoses and treatment options.
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Amatus Cremona
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Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Posts: 1005

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:40 pm    Post subject: Re: www.scimeddentistry.com - policy violation or bug? Reply with quote

Hi Joel,

Why do you miss us?

Later.

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