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eugeneshapiroisapig
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:46 am    Post subject: Re: Tick bite - Now What? Reply with quote

I was responding to this, in particular...

"Well, yes, but, see...if you go by the numbers...the chances of you
contracting Lyme disease from either of two tickbites...even in the
most endemic areas are not all that good...so going to the doctor every

time you find an attached tick...you see my point? "




the 3rd Man wrote:
Quote:
trong wrote:

in some parts of the northeast, up to 50% of deer ticks carry Bb. as
has been noted by others, improper removal of a tick can squeeze the
abdominal contents into the body.

Yeah, that was me, dumbass.

also, it is known with relapsing
fever that one single spirochete is enough to establish infection.

So?

therefore, if you find a deer tick on you in the northeast, why take
chances? sure, the odds may be in your favor, but people ARE unlucky.

YES. A DEERTICK. Isn't that what I said? Din't I say that if you had a
bite from a DEERTICK in an endemic area to get the DOXY?

HUH? AIN'T THAT WHAT I JUST DAMN SAID?

SHEEEEESH.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:47 am    Post subject: Re: Tick bite - Now What? Reply with quote

trong wrote:

Quote:
in some parts of the northeast, up to 50% of deer ticks carry Bb. as
has been noted by others, improper removal of a tick can squeeze the
abdominal contents into the body. also, it is known with relapsing
fever that one single spirochete is enough to establish infection.


Since you are apparently either too lazy or not smart enough to read
through the beginning of this relatively short discussion, allow me to
retrieve my repsonse to the ORIGINAL question...notice here that the
ORIGINAL question concerned late stage LYME DISEASE and the person
noted a DEERTICK atatched...and I said,

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Yeah, it pretty much is a totally dreadful disease in its later stages.


Are you sure this was a deer tick?


Did you save it?


Where do you live?


If you improperly remove a tick, it can force the tick to expel its
"load" into your bloodstream.


If it were me...and I supected that it might have been a deertick...and

if you are in an area where there is a known risk...I would go to my
doctor and ask for the 21 day cycle of doxycycline.


Although the official treatment guidelines from the Infectious Diseases

Society of America probably wouldn't allow that in these
circumstances...


....I doubt that any of us who have been battling this for several years

would suggest that it is anything but insanity to not to take the
preventative antibiotics.


Again, the risk factor depends on whether it was a deertick and how
prevalent the disease is in your area.
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eugeneshapiroisapig
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:53 am    Post subject: Re: Tick bite - Now What? Reply with quote

you need to chill out.
the 3rd Man wrote:
Quote:
trong wrote:

in some parts of the northeast, up to 50% of deer ticks carry Bb. as
has been noted by others, improper removal of a tick can squeeze the
abdominal contents into the body. also, it is known with relapsing
fever that one single spirochete is enough to establish infection.


Since you are apparently either too lazy or not smart enough to read
through the beginning of this relatively short discussion, allow me to
retrieve my repsonse to the ORIGINAL question...notice here that the
ORIGINAL question concerned late stage LYME DISEASE and the person
noted a DEERTICK atatched...and I said,

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah, it pretty much is a totally dreadful disease in its later stages.


Are you sure this was a deer tick?


Did you save it?


Where do you live?


If you improperly remove a tick, it can force the tick to expel its
"load" into your bloodstream.


If it were me...and I supected that it might have been a deertick...and

if you are in an area where there is a known risk...I would go to my
doctor and ask for the 21 day cycle of doxycycline.


Although the official treatment guidelines from the Infectious Diseases

Society of America probably wouldn't allow that in these
circumstances...


...I doubt that any of us who have been battling this for several years

would suggest that it is anything but insanity to not to take the
preventative antibiotics.


Again, the risk factor depends on whether it was a deertick and how
prevalent the disease is in your area.
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derdrittemann2003@yahoo.c
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:54 am    Post subject: Re: Tick bite - Now What? Reply with quote

trong wrote:
Quote:
I was responding to this, in particular...

"Well, yes, but, see...if you go by the numbers...the chances of you
contracting Lyme disease from either of two tickbites...even in the
most endemic areas are not all that good...so going to the doctor every

time you find an attached tick...you see my point? "

YES...I UNDERSTAND...but the discussion veered off from the original
question about what to do about an attached deertick (I said get the
doxy)...

....and then Kara said she would advise seeking treatment for ANY
tickbite...and I am questioning that...trying to figure out what that
actually means in context...

....and you seem to be going back and forth and not making any sense
whatever. (Surprise).

So...I ask again...what types of ticks are K-N-O-W-N to transmit
"spirochetal infections" to humans?
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derdrittemann2003@yahoo.c
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:55 am    Post subject: Re: Tick bite - Now What? Reply with quote

trong wrote:
Quote:
you need to chill out.


You need to GFY.
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eugeneshapiroisapig
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:02 am    Post subject: Re: Tick bite - Now What? Reply with quote

well, many types of ticks. hard and soft ticks. I can't remember all of
the names...what frightens me most is that the CDC and IDSA types have
zero interest in exploring lonestari as a human pathogen, that much is
obvious. I think they've given up. I think they conduct secret epi
research here along with US AMRID. the strange thing, for me, is how
lonestari apparently switches the serum resistance phenomena, from deer
to mice, and uses deer as a natural reservoir...also in europe we see
B. lusitania which I believe is capable of causing human illness, using
lizards as a natural host...so yes, in part, my advice is not based on
known fact...but it is based on experience...the knowledge that the
medical establishment and CDC do not care an iota about the individual,
only about dollars...and so I say, why take a chance? nobody trusts the
CDC anymore, they've never even bothered to warn the american people
about the neuropsychiatric effects of lyme encephalopathy, they've
never warned the psychiatric profession or gps to look out for this, in
fact in the past 5 years there has been one single goddamn press
release from the CDC's info office wrt lyme, and it dealt with grant
recipients.

take the cheap doxy, and ask questions later. that's my opinion. one
cannot trust the IDSA or CDC types for advice on this issue.
the 3rd Man wrote:
Quote:
trong wrote:
I was responding to this, in particular...

"Well, yes, but, see...if you go by the numbers...the chances of you
contracting Lyme disease from either of two tickbites...even in the
most endemic areas are not all that good...so going to the doctor every

time you find an attached tick...you see my point? "

YES...I UNDERSTAND...but the discussion veered off from the original
question about what to do about an attached deertick (I said get the
doxy)...

...and then Kara said she would advise seeking treatment for ANY
tickbite...and I am questioning that...trying to figure out what that
actually means in context...

...and you seem to be going back and forth and not making any sense
whatever. (Surprise).

So...I ask again...what types of ticks are K-N-O-W-N to transmit
"spirochetal infections" to humans?
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derdrittemann2003@yahoo.c
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:29 am    Post subject: Re: Tick bite - Now What? Reply with quote

trong wrote:
Quote:
well, many types of ticks. hard and soft ticks. I can't remember all of
the names...what frightens me most is that the CDC and IDSA types have

take the cheap doxy, and ask questions later. that's my opinion. one
cannot trust the IDSA or CDC types for advice on this issue.

For WHAT?

To prevent WHAT?

Do you honestly mean to suggest that ANYONE whenever bitten by a
tick...should take 21 days of doxy...no matter what the risk factors?

What if they are bitten by a fly? A mosquito?

To do what?...prevent the unknown CHANCE of infection? Well, that's
just it...numbnuts...we're talking about a CHANCE...PROBABILITIES.

RISKS.

You can't really mean to suggest that we should take antibiotics to
prevent against all unknown risks?
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