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\"Jan Drew\"
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Fombonne's autism research is dangerously inaccurate Reply with quote

"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
Jan Drew wrote:
"All truth passes through 3 stages.

First, it is ridiculed.

Second, it is violently opposed.

Third, it is accepted as being self-evident".

But things which are not true only make stages 1&2. Which is where you
and Joh have been stuck for a while...


Your ignorance is noted.

The following is a spontaneous e-mail growth, passed to me by Uncle Al.
it on www kills it, like putting the pin through the butterfly. There must
other ones still flitting around somewhere...


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The Experts Speak
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us." - Western Union internal memo, 1876. I'VE HEARD ONE REPORT THAT THIS

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Fombonne's autism research is dangerously inaccurate Reply with quote

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

( bulk of post snipped for brevity )


. . . to Arthur Jones, who solved
the "unsolvable" problem by inventing Nautilus.

"640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, 1981

Even if all these quotes were accurate, which is highly dubious, they would
prove an important point; that the scientific world recognizes and discards
its errors and progresses on to new and higher knowledge. The "alternative"
world, on the other hand, is still klinging onto failed ideas like
pleomorphism, homeopathy, chiropractic, and mesmerism.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Fombonne's autism research is dangerously inaccurate Reply with quote


Fombonne is a psychiatrist. Here is what the Cochrane Collaboration
said about Fombonne's last paper regarding a review of the safety of
the mmr:
"The number and possible impact of biases in this study is so high
that interpretation of the results is impossible".
http://www.mrw.interscience.wiley.co...07/pdf_fs.html (page 21)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Fombonne's autism research is dangerously inaccurate Reply with quote

john wrote:

Fombonne is a psychiatrist.

From Wikipedia (just to frost John's shorts) CHUCKLE!

Eric Fombonne, MD, FRCP, (b. 1954, Paris, France) is a professor of
psychiatry and an epidemiologist. Dr. Fombonne directs the child
psychiatry division at McGill University in Canada and the psychiatry
department at the Montreal Children’s Hospital, where he played a key
role in the launch of its autism clinic. Fombonne is also the Canada
Research Chair in child psychiatry. His research focuses on
epidemiological investigations of childhood mental illness and related
risk factors, with a particular focus on the epidemiology of autism.

Dr. Fombonne is a permanent member of a National Institute of Mental
Health (NIMH) study section and has been appointed to a special National
Institute of Health (NIH) advisory board for autism research programs.
In October, 2002 he became the president of the Association of Child and
Adolescent Psychiatry of Canada (APCAPC).

Sounds like he is just the person to conduct an epidemiological study of
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