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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:49 am    Post subject: Jesus == Love Reply with quote

Eric Brze wrote:
Quote:
On 1 Jul 2006 23:39:05 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com
wrote:

Eric Brze wrote:

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:42:42 -0400, James <bireda@allvantage.com
wrote:

Re: Jesus == Hate>"Yang, AthD (h.c),
snip
eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com
On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:27:51 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:

"For where two or three come together in MY name, there am I with them."
-- LORD Jesus Christ


"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his
wife and children, his brothers and sisters-yes, even his own life-he
cannot be my disciple."
-Jesus, Luke 14:26


Hello,

To modern man, sounds like he has it out for the whole family. But was
Jesus speaking these words to modern man, or ancient Jews? The key
question is, what did Jesus mean by the word "hate"?

Ever consider that sometimes the greatest love is "hate"?

What would we say when we want our family members to be much better
than they are? We say we hate them. What would we say when we want our
own life to be much better in serving God than it already is? We say
we hate ourselves.

When love is deep enough, it is "hate", right? :-)

Wrong, as usual you struggle to make sense out of your primitive myth - give
up - if you live to be a hundred you will change nothing, only you can change.

I would never never tell my child i hate it in order to encourage him to do
something.

We "hate" those we love the most not because we want to encourage them
to do something. We "hate" them because we don't know how to love them
and how to share the love of God with them.

We hate the sin and not the sinner.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheLife
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John Jacobson
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Joined: 09 Apr 2006
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Jesus == Love Reply with quote

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
<1151840958.706836.250830@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
Quote:
We hate the sin and not the sinner.

Yeah, right. That was funny the first gazillion times you guys told that joke.
But not anymore. You guys are so full of hate that you make groups like the KKK
look like glee clubs.

--
***Free Your Mind***

Posted with JSNewsreader Preview 0.9.4.2591

[ Followup-To: alt.religion.christian ]
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Pastor Frank
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Joined: 02 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Marana tha ! Reply with quote

"Stephen Knight" <wooly51@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:5vsba2hgibhuauhr9ieabh072piop61uj0@4ax.com...
Quote:

Have you accepted your failure at converting atheists to
christianity?
You are ridiculed, mocked and pointed at with laughter on
alt.atheism. How do you cope?
Can you say 'anything' in response that isn't sucking the choir
cock?
Warlord Steve
BAAWA

Still on the war path, warlord? LOL

Behold the prince of peace, Jesus Christ and LIVE!!!! For all who live
by the sword, will die by the sword.



--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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torresD
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Jesus == Love Reply with quote

By causing men to leave their wives and children behind,
and follow him.
Did these men leave an income for the children to survive?
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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Posts: 8540

PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Jesus == Love Reply with quote

torresD wrote:
Quote:
By causing men to leave their wives and children behind,
and follow him.

Those who follow Christ Jesus have HIM caring for their families. HE
remains our Shepherd. Does a Shepherd abandon the mates and the
offspring of HIS sheep?

Quote:
Did these men leave an income for the children to survive?

Those who follow Christ Jesus have HIS providence for themselves and
their dependents while they remain in this world and even when they
fall asleep.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheLife
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Pastor Frank
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Joined: 02 Jul 2006
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Marana tha ! Reply with quote

"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:44a6a40e$0$84235$4c5eba9e@news.getnet.net...
Quote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Still no miracles!

It seems you have not surfed the link below my sig.
Still praying for you, dear William.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheLife

Yeah, read it.
Still no miracles.
You are a failure Andy, a complete failure. You really need to stop
posting your foolishness, it just makes you look bad.
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
Rev. Karl E. Taylor ktayloraz@getnet.net
A.A #1143 a=45, m=23, f=20
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director

LOL Ad hominem? I bet your sole purpose there is to make us believe your

are NOT "a failure". We remain unconvinced.



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Rev. Karl E. Taylor
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Marana tha ! Reply with quote

Pastor Frank wrote:
Quote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:44a6a40e$0$84235$4c5eba9e@news.getnet.net...
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

Still no miracles!
It seems you have not surfed the link below my sig.
Still praying for you, dear William.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheLife
Yeah, read it.
Still no miracles.
You are a failure Andy, a complete failure. You really need to stop
posting your foolishness, it just makes you look bad.
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
Rev. Karl E. Taylor ktayloraz@getnet.net
A.A #1143 a=45, m=23, f=20
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director

LOL Ad hominem? I bet your sole purpose there is to make us believe your
are NOT "a failure". We remain unconvinced.



I notice you offer nothing in the way of evidence either, Pastor Fruit.


But then again, that is rather expected from frothing morons that still
cling to childish fairy tales.

--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor ktayloraz@getnet.net

A.A #1143 a=45, m=23, f=20

Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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R. Pierce Butler
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Joined: 23 Jun 2005
Posts: 86

PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Marana tha ! Reply with quote

"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:44a7fb67$0$9789$88260bb3@free.teranews.com:

Quote:
"Stephen Knight" <wooly51@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:5vsba2hgibhuauhr9ieabh072piop61uj0@4ax.com...

Have you accepted your failure at converting atheists to
christianity?
You are ridiculed, mocked and pointed at with laughter on
alt.atheism. How do you cope?
Can you say 'anything' in response that isn't sucking the choir
cock?
Warlord Steve
BAAWA

Still on the war path, warlord? LOL
Behold the prince of peace, Jesus Christ and LIVE!!!! For all who
live
by the sword, will die by the sword.




and those that don't live by the sword die anyway.
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bob young
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Joined: 24 Mar 2005
Posts: 66

PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:53 am    Post subject: Re: Jesus == Love Reply with quote

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:

Quote:
Eric Brze wrote:
On 1 Jul 2006 23:39:05 -0500, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com
wrote:

Eric Brze wrote:

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:42:42 -0400, James <bireda@allvantage.com
wrote:

Re: Jesus == Hate>"Yang, AthD (h.c),
snip
eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com
On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:27:51 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:

"For where two or three come together in MY name, there am I with them."
-- LORD Jesus Christ


"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his
wife and children, his brothers and sisters-yes, even his own life-he
cannot be my disciple."
-Jesus, Luke 14:26


Hello,

To modern man, sounds like he has it out for the whole family. But was
Jesus speaking these words to modern man, or ancient Jews? The key
question is, what did Jesus mean by the word "hate"?

Ever consider that sometimes the greatest love is "hate"?

What would we say when we want our family members to be much better
than they are? We say we hate them. What would we say when we want our
own life to be much better in serving God than it already is? We say
we hate ourselves.

When love is deep enough, it is "hate", right? :-)

Wrong, as usual you struggle to make sense out of your primitive myth - give
up - if you live to be a hundred you will change nothing, only you can change.

I would never never tell my child i hate it in order to encourage him to do
something.

We "hate" those we love the most not because we want to encourage them
to do something. We "hate" them because we don't know how to love them
and how to share the love of God with them.

We hate the sin and not the sinner.

Not really - you 'use' sin to prop up a myth

after all, when you come to think about it, there isn't much else to use is there?

the bible is highly susoect and full of errors

the priests, bishops and popes are simply human

the god never shows

the claims of a Jesus are laughable when one realises that they failed to cover the
first twenty years of his claimed life. [the son of a god that was supposed to have
created everything lives in obscurity for twenty years !]

the churches and temples plus all the parfinalia used for worship are all man made -
nothing in 'gods' book' instructing us about it. Look at all the other religions
and their gods, the parafinalia and rituals show remarkable similarities - why? I
think we all know the answer to that one !

as is the case for the wedding, birth and funeral services, man made, no
instructions from any gods, only our ancestors, who's work cannot be checked

....i could go on, but I think you get the drift.

bob
humanist Brit.

Quote:


Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Looking in the mirror again methinks

Quote:


Andrew
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheLife
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bob young
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Posts: 66

PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:55 am    Post subject: Re: Jesus == Love Reply with quote

torresD wrote:

Quote:
By causing men to leave their wives and children behind,
and follow him.
Did these men leave an income for the children to survive?

Don't get upset about it - it is only a myth

Back in tose days they did not have the grey matter to
challenge such stories [come to think of it, a lot of simple
folk today don't either!]
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bob young
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Joined: 24 Mar 2005
Posts: 66

PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:56 am    Post subject: Re: Jesus == Love Reply with quote

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:

Quote:
torresD wrote:
By causing men to leave their wives and children behind,
and follow him.

Those who follow Christ Jesus have HIM caring for their families. HE
remains our Shepherd. Does a Shepherd abandon the mates and the
offspring of HIS sheep?

Did these men leave an income for the children to survive?

Those who follow Christ Jesus have HIS providence for themselves and
their dependents while they remain in this world and even when they
fall asleep.

GROAN

Quote:


Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheLife
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Dr. Ernst Primer (again)
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Joined: 13 Apr 2006
Posts: 54

PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Jesus == Love Reply with quote

bob young wrote:
Quote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:

torresD wrote:
By causing men to leave their wives and children behind,
and follow him.

Those who follow Christ Jesus have HIM caring for their families. HE
remains our Shepherd. Does a Shepherd abandon the mates and the
offspring of HIS sheep?

Did these men leave an income for the children to survive?

Those who follow Christ Jesus have HIS providence for themselves and
their dependents while they remain in this world and even when they
fall asleep.

GROAN


<snip>

"Written groaning is silent indigestion."
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bob young
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Joined: 24 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:31 am    Post subject: Re: Jesus == Love Reply with quote

"Dr. Ernst Primer (again)" wrote:

Quote:
bob young wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:

torresD wrote:
By causing men to leave their wives and children behind,
and follow him.

Those who follow Christ Jesus have HIM caring for their families. HE
remains our Shepherd. Does a Shepherd abandon the mates and the
offspring of HIS sheep?

Did these men leave an income for the children to survive?

Those who follow Christ Jesus have HIS providence for themselves and
their dependents while they remain in this world and even when they
fall asleep.

GROAN


snip

"Written groaning is silent indigestion."

OK

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