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ironjustice@aol.com medicine forum Guru
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject:
Motor Neurone Disease / Omega-3 and -6 fatty acids and vitamin E
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Omega-3, -6 and vitamin E could cut MND risk
By Stephen Daniells
27/04/2006 - Omega-3 and -6 fatty acids and vitamin E in the diet could
slash the risk of motor neurone disease (MND) by 60 per cent, say new
research from the Netherlands.
According to the Motor Neurone Disease Association, the disease affects
about seven people in every 100,000, with life expectancy of only two
to five years. The disease characterized by the gradual death of motor
neurones in the brain, which then stops muscles from working. The cause
is unknown and there is no cure.
The new study, published on-line in the Journal of Neurology (doi:
10.1136/jnnp.2005.083378), reports that a diet rich in polyunsaturated
fatty acids (omega-3 and omega-6) and vitamin E could reduce the risk
of developing the disease.
The researchers, from the University Medical Centre, Utrecht,
investigated the diets of 132 people with a form of MND called
amytrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS). Their dietary habits were compared
to 220 control subjects who did not have the disease. Dietary habits
were evaluated using a validated 104-item food frequency questionnaire.
While energy intake and supplement intake was similar between the
groups, the researchers found that intake of vitamin E and
polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs) was noticeably lower in the ALS
cases, which agreed with the original hypothesis.
People whose intake was more than 32 grams of PUFAs per day had a 60
per cent lower risk of ALS than those who consumed less than 25 grams
per day. No differentiation between omega-3 and omega-6 was performed
by the researchers.
A daily intake of vitamin E over 18 milligrams was associated with a 60
per cent reduction in the risk of ALS.
No relationship between flavonol, lycopene, or vitamins B2 and C were
observed by the researchers.
"This study shows that higher premorbid dietary intake of PUFAs and
vitamin E was associated with a 50 to 60 per cent decreased risk of
developing ALS," wrote lead author Jan Veldink.
The mechanism, say the researchers, is more than just the nutrients'
individual benefits. The omega-3 fatty acid, alpha-linoleic acid, for
example, has been reported to protect neurones. Docosahexaenioc acid
(DHA) is involved in the membrane of ion channels in the brain, making
it easier for them to change shape and transit electrical signals.
Vitamin E, say the scientists, inhibits lipid peroxidation which leads
to oxidative stress.
The nutrients' protective activity, says Veldink, is a case of the sum
greater than the parts.
"The combined analysis, including the interaction term, indicates
that vitamin E and PUFAs increase their separate protective effects.
Vitamin E may act directly to reduce the risk of ALS as a known
inhibitor of lipid peroxidation, but it could also act indirectly
through inhibition of peroxidation of PUFAs.
As a result, a higher level of PUFAs will be available biologically,"
said Veldink.
Although further research is clearly needed, the results do fit with
reports on the benefits of this nutrient combo for cognitive diseases.
According to other studies, the risk of Alzheimer's disease could be
reduced by a diet risk in plant lipids, fish, or by eating a
Mediterranean-style diet, rich in both PUFAs and vitamin E.
The study has several limitations, including being non-population based
and depending on dietary recall of both the cases and controls. Veldink
and his colleagues are currently conducting a population-based
case-control study to further test their hypothesis.
Famous people with MND include the actor David Niven and Professor
Stephen Hawking.
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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monty1945@lycos.com medicine forum addict
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:01 am Post subject:
Re: Motor Neurone Disease / Omega-3 and -6 fatty acids and vitamin E
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To say this study has numerous limitations is actually an
understatement. The actual molecular-level mechanisms are known, and
so this kind of correlations thing can only be misleading. Stress
causes release of the omega 6, AA, and the AA metabolites do the damage
- that is now totally understood, Most Westerners do not have much
omega 3 in them, but there are dangerous metabolites (non-enzymatic
especially) of omega 3s. The studies mostly measure the omega 6
metabolites, so omega 3 is said to be healthy. The old experiments,
which fed animals different diets, such as one high in fish oil, and
then observed the health and longevity of the animals, uniformly
resulted in animals dying young when given high omega 6/3 diets. Now
if you load them up with vitamin E, then yes, there will be a
counteracting effect, but nobody knows if this is a good idea in
humans, and recent studies sugggest that it is not, due to the
unbalancing of the different molecules classified as "vitamin E." Get
your own mice, load one group up with fish oil and/or canola oil, and
load the other group up with fresh coconut oil, without any extra
vitamin E and you will see what the scientfic reality is. No need for
these kinds of ludicrious "studies," some of which appear to be
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Mr-Natural-Health medicine forum Guru
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:00 am Post subject:
Re: Jesus ate Fish, ... Shouldn't You?
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ironjustice@aol.com wrote:
This statement of yours is still nutty. And, is totally without
foundation. What is your problem?
See:
_What Would Jesus Eat? : The Ultimate Program for Eating Well, Feeling
Great, and Living Longer_
by Don Colbert, MD
ISBN: 0785273190
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0785273190/qid=1152009660/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/103-9791175-5296603?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
"From Publishers Weekly
.... Author Don Colbert, a family physician, urges readers to examine
and emulate Jesus' simple diet. The nutritional information, overall,
is quite sound: Colbert encourages the consumption of fish, the use of
olive oil in cooking and an exercise regimen of daily walking. He
discusses the "hidden dangers" of pork, condemns refined white flour
and warns against the excessive consumption of red meat."
The Seventh-Day Adventists points towards the Book of Genesis and Ellen
White for their vegetarian diet. They certainly do NOT talk about
Jesus.
"Reviewer: M. Markstein - See all my reviews
Despite what T. Smith (another reviewer) states, Jesus was under no
vegetarian obligation. God has made multiple covenants with his
followers, and in each covenant the previous one was replaced. Thus
post-Noah followers could eat meat, and post-Jesus followers had no
obligation to be kosher. Which brings me to my main point: why should
one feel any significance in eating what Jesus ate?"
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Alan Meyer medicine forum beginner
Joined: 19 May 2005
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:44 pm Post subject:
Re: Motor Neurone Disease / Omega-3 and -6 fatty acids and vitamin E
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<monty1945@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1151992915.032631.67100@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | To say this study has numerous limitations is actually an
understatement.
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There is an often quoted study in the Journal of Neuroscience
(http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/full/25/12/3032) that
fed two diets to older mice, one heavy in an omega 3 fatty
acid and one without that component. The mice with the
omega 3 had greatly reduced beta amyloid protein and
amyloid precursor proteins.
Are you arguing that this result too is misleading and that
the dangers of omega 3 are greater than the benefits?
Can you give us a citation?
Thanks.
Alan |
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Sylv medicine forum addict
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 11:28 pm Post subject:
Re: Jesus ate Fish, ... Shouldn't You?
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Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
| Quote: | ironjustice@aol.com wrote:
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
This statement of yours is still nutty. And, is totally without
foundation. What is your problem?
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He's just totally crazy, not to mention dumb as a box of rocks.
No use trying to argue with him; reason and logic are out of his reach.
Sylvia |
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Mr-Natural-Health medicine forum Guru
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:44 am Post subject:
Re: Jesus ate Fish, ... Shouldn't You?
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Sylv wrote:
| Quote: | Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
ironjustice@aol.com wrote:
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
This statement of yours is still nutty. And, is totally without
foundation. What is your problem?
He's just totally crazy, not to mention dumb as a box of rocks.
No use trying to argue with him; reason and logic are out of his reach.
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We now have it in book form. And, ironjustice is NOT only dumb, but he
is WRONG.  |
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Michael medicine forum beginner
Joined: 04 May 2005
Posts: 47
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:29 am Post subject:
Re: Jesus ate Fish, ... Shouldn't You?
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"Mr. Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in
message news:1152063878.209286.295240@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Sylv wrote:
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
ironjustice@aol.com wrote:
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
This statement of yours is still nutty. And, is totally without
foundation. What is your problem?
He's just totally crazy, not to mention dumb as a box of rocks.
No use trying to argue with him; reason and logic are out of his reach.
We now have it in book form. And, ironjustice is NOT only dumb, but he
is WRONG.
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But with neither reason nor logic to guide him, how would *he* know that?
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Michael medicine forum beginner
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:29 am Post subject:
Re: Jesus ate Fish, ... Shouldn't You?
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Speaking of which...
A friend gave me a couple of beautiful chunks of chinook salmon fillet
today,
and they practically *screamed* "sushi rolls" at me... so I went to work on
making me some for supper. :-)
They were simple: cold flavoured rice, chives from the porch-planter, thin
slivers of radish and shallot, and lots of fish. They also gave me a major
10 minute case of wasabi-nose because I couldn't bring myself to stop once
I got into eating them. The beer - a friend's and my homebrewed blonde
pilsener - isn't really quite ready (needs two more days at *least*), but
it's settled out all its yeast, and being very slightly sweet and not yet
fully carbonated made it a pretty good match for the food - and for the
*quantity* of food.
The photos? The translucency of that hunk of fish is beautifully captured,
but I really like the top view of the finished product best... and it's neat
to see the hollow arrays of chives in cross-section like that.
There's just about 1/3 of all ingredients left, wrapped up neatly in the
fridge for breakfast... but I'd happily have eaten lighter and shared the
whole shebang. All anyone really needs first thing in the morning anyhow
(when and if dragging one's ass out of bed ever becomes an issue) is enough
coffee. :-)
http://qcislands.ca/muirhead/GonnaBeSushi(2).jpg
http://qcislands.ca/muirhead/NotSuhsiYetJustFixins(2).jpg
http://qcislands.ca/muirhead/OK_NowItsSushi(2).jpg
http://qcislands.ca/muirhead/SushiButNotAsahi_BonAppétit(2).jpg
http://qcislands.ca/muirhead/PleaseSirIWantMore(2).jpg |
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Michael medicine forum beginner
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Michael medicine forum beginner
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:45 am Post subject:
Re: Jesus ate Fish, ... Shouldn't You?
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"Michael" <muirhead@haidagwaii.net> wrote in message
news:L7ydnT7yoPClzTbZnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@qcislands.net...
.... errr... and,
| Quote: | http://qcislands.ca/muirhead/SushiButNotAsahi_BonAppétit(2).jpg
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I can't type, and friggin browsers don't believe in accented chars...<grrrr>
http://qcislands.ca/muirhead/SushiButNotAsahi_BonAppetit(2).jpg |
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DCI medicine forum beginner
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:00 am Post subject:
Re: Jesus ate Fish, ... Shouldn't You?
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On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 22:37:58 -0700, "Michael" <muirhead@haidagwaii.net>
wrote:
Nothing shows up.
Donn |
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DCI medicine forum beginner
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:01 am Post subject:
Re: Jesus ate Fish, ... Shouldn't You?
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On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 22:45:28 -0700, "Michael" <muirhead@haidagwaii.net>
wrote:
Nothing shows up here, either.
Donn |
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Michael medicine forum beginner
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:09 am Post subject:
Re: Jesus ate Fish, ... Shouldn't You?
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DCI wrote:
Give both a few minutes... I had to edit stuff, and my local server has to
synch with the remote one in Vancouver before the world can see the result.
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Alex medicine forum beginner
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:24 am Post subject:
Re: Jesus ate Fish, ... Shouldn't You?
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Michael wrote:
| Quote: | Speaking of which...
A friend gave me a couple of beautiful chunks of chinook salmon fillet
today,
and they practically *screamed* "sushi rolls" at me... so I went to work on
making me some for supper. :-)
They were simple: cold flavoured rice, chives from the porch-planter, thin
slivers of radish and shallot, and lots of fish. They also gave me a major
10 minute case of wasabi-nose because I couldn't bring myself to stop once
I got into eating them. The beer - a friend's and my homebrewed blonde
pilsener - isn't really quite ready (needs two more days at *least*), but
it's settled out all its yeast, and being very slightly sweet and not yet
fully carbonated made it a pretty good match for the food - and for the
*quantity* of food.
The photos? The translucency of that hunk of fish is beautifully captured,
but I really like the top view of the finished product best... and it's neat
to see the hollow arrays of chives in cross-section like that.
There's just about 1/3 of all ingredients left, wrapped up neatly in the
fridge for breakfast... but I'd happily have eaten lighter and shared the
whole shebang. All anyone really needs first thing in the morning anyhow
(when and if dragging one's ass out of bed ever becomes an issue) is enough
coffee. :-)
http://qcislands.ca/muirhead/GonnaBeSushi(2).jpg
http://qcislands.ca/muirhead/NotSuhsiYetJustFixins(2).jpg
http://qcislands.ca/muirhead/OK_NowItsSushi(2).jpg
http://qcislands.ca/muirhead/SushiButNotAsahi_BonAppétit(2).jpg
http://qcislands.ca/muirhead/PleaseSirIWantMore(2).jpg
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Nice! <wipes drool off of chin>
A suggestion for you, however.
Your links above, as viewed in the Thunderbird mail & news reader,
appear as follows:
The text in the message appears as:
http://qcislands.ca/muirhead/GonnaBeSushi(2).jpg
but the hyperlink itself appears as:
http://qcislands.ca/muirhead/GonnaBeSushi(2
Thunderbird treats the ) as a closing delimiter, so ends the hyperlink
at that point. To work around that you can enclose the link in <> as
in: <http://qcislands.ca/muirhead/GonnaBeSushi(2).jpg>
or you can just avoid the use of () in the links.
I don't know how other readers treat the links, but thought I would make
the suggestion.
Have a good breakfast!
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Mr-Natural-Health medicine forum Guru
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:43 am Post subject:
Re: Jesus ate Fish, ... Shouldn't You?
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Michael wrote:
| Quote: | "Mr. Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in
message news:1152063878.209286.295240@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Sylv wrote:
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
ironjustice@aol.com wrote:
Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
This statement of yours is still nutty. And, is totally without
foundation. What is your problem?
He's just totally crazy, not to mention dumb as a box of rocks.
No use trying to argue with him; reason and logic are out of his reach.
We now have it in book form. And, ironjustice is NOT only dumb, but he
is WRONG. :)
But with neither reason nor logic to guide him, how would *he* know that?
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Beats me!!! Perhaps, he might walk into a metal post and fall down?
Maybe, he might eventually get around to reading this thread that he
started? Nah!!!
Interestingly enough, John Harvey Kellogg is on the record for being
against the consumption of fish.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html
I on the other hand advocate eating cold water fatty fish.
--
John Gohde,
Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!
The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the
mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the
Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and
sharper terminology than ever before.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/ |
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