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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:21 pm    Post subject: Re: migraine, blood pressure, maybe cholesterol fixed but theres a small problem Reply with quote

judy.n wrote:
: Juhana Harju wrote:
:: kol_Isha wrote:
::: "Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in message
::: news:4g505oF1lfq3nU1@individual.net...
::
:::: I did not find any reference for your claim that 120/80 would be
:::: better than
:::: 90/60. The references state that "beginning at 115/75 mm Hg, CVD
:::: risk doubles for each increment of 20/10 mm Hg."
::::
::: I don't think she is saying that 120/80 wouild be better than 90/60.
::: She is saying that 120/80 (the "new" standard) is better than 140/90
::: (the "old" standard).
::
:: She said that the "ideal" blood pressure is currently defined as
:: 120/80 and that "90/60 is actually quite low, especially for an
:: adult."
::
::: Low blood pressure, as far as I know, is not
::: bad (unless it drops way too low, I guess, and it's not the norm for
::: that individual).
::
:: I know that low blood pressure is not bad unless it causes dizziness
:: or fainting. That is the reason I was asking her to post some
:: references to back her claim.

: How do you know this to be true?

Dr. John P. Cooke, who is the head of Stanford Medical School's vascular
unit, states it clearly in his book /The Cardiovascular Cure/ (Broadway
Books, 2003, p. 6):

"In my opinion, the lower your blood pressure, the better. Obviously, if
your blood pressure is too low, you will faint. But I tell my patients that
their blood pressure should be just high enough to keep them from falling
over. Even if your blood pressure is as low as 90/60 but you can stand
without trouble, this is healthy and, in the long run, better for your heart
and vessels."

http://tinyurl.com/oo7py

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:56 pm    Post subject: Re: migraine, blood pressure, maybe cholesterol fixed but theres a small problem Reply with quote

"Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in part:

Quote:
judy.n wrote:
: Juhana Harju wrote:
:: kol_Isha wrote:
::: "Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in message
::: news:4g505oF1lfq3nU1@individual.net...
::
:::: I did not find any reference for your claim that 120/80 would be
:::: better than
:::: 90/60. The references state that "beginning at 115/75 mm Hg, CVD
:::: risk doubles for each increment of 20/10 mm Hg."
::::
::: I don't think she is saying that 120/80 wouild be better than 90/60.
::: She is saying that 120/80 (the "new" standard) is better than 140/90
::: (the "old" standard).
::
:: She said that the "ideal" blood pressure is currently defined as
:: 120/80 and that "90/60 is actually quite low, especially for an
:: adult."
::
::: Low blood pressure, as far as I know, is not
::: bad (unless it drops way too low, I guess, and it's not the norm for
::: that individual).
::
:: I know that low blood pressure is not bad unless it causes dizziness
:: or fainting. That is the reason I was asking her to post some
:: references to back her claim.

: How do you know this to be true?

Dr. John P. Cooke, who is the head of Stanford Medical School's vascular
unit, states it clearly in his book /The Cardiovascular Cure/ (Broadway
Books, 2003, p. 6):

"In my opinion, the lower your blood pressure, the better. Obviously, if
your blood pressure is too low, you will faint. But I tell my patients that
their blood pressure should be just high enough to keep them from falling
over. Even if your blood pressure is as low as 90/60 but you can stand
without trouble, this is healthy and, in the long run, better for your heart
and vessels."

http://tinyurl.com/oo7py

Actually, low blood pressure without fainting is a concern:

http://www.theheart.org/viewArticle.do?primaryKey=715681&nl_id=tho20jun06
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: migraine, blood pressure, maybe cholesterol fixed but theres a small problem Reply with quote

Jim Chinnis wrote:
: "Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in part:
:: judy.n wrote:
::: Juhana Harju wrote:
:::: kol_Isha wrote:
::::: "Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in message
::::: news:4g505oF1lfq3nU1@individual.net...
::::
:::::: I did not find any reference for your claim that 120/80 would be
:::::: better than
:::::: 90/60. The references state that "beginning at 115/75 mm Hg, CVD
:::::: risk doubles for each increment of 20/10 mm Hg."
::::::
::::: I don't think she is saying that 120/80 wouild be better than
::::: 90/60. She is saying that 120/80 (the "new" standard) is better
::::: than 140/90 (the "old" standard).
::::
:::: She said that the "ideal" blood pressure is currently defined as
:::: 120/80 and that "90/60 is actually quite low, especially for an
:::: adult."
::::
::::: Low blood pressure, as far as I know, is not
::::: bad (unless it drops way too low, I guess, and it's not the norm
::::: for that individual).
::::
:::: I know that low blood pressure is not bad unless it causes
:::: dizziness or fainting. That is the reason I was asking her to post
:::: some references to back her claim.
::
::: How do you know this to be true?
::
:: Dr. John P. Cooke, who is the head of Stanford Medical School's
:: vascular unit, states it clearly in his book /The Cardiovascular
:: Cure/ (Broadway Books, 2003, p. 6):
::
:: "In my opinion, the lower your blood pressure, the better.
:: Obviously, if your blood pressure is too low, you will faint. But I
:: tell my patients that their blood pressure should be just high
:: enough to keep them from falling over. Even if your blood pressure
:: is as low as 90/60 but you can stand without trouble, this is
:: healthy and, in the long run, better for your heart and vessels."
::
:: http://tinyurl.com/oo7py
:
: Actually, low blood pressure without fainting is a concern:
:
: http://www.theheart.org/viewArticle.do?primaryKey=715681&nl_id=tho20jun06

Thanks for a a good posting! It seems that Dr. Cooke is not well informed in
this respect.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:21 pm    Post subject: Re: migraine, blood pressure, maybe cholesterol fixed but theres a small problem Reply with quote

"Jim Chinnis" <jchinnis@SPAMalum.mit.edu>
Quote:

Actually, low blood pressure without fainting is a concern:

http://www.theheart.org/viewArticle.do?primaryKey=715681&nl_id=tho20jun06
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Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA


As a person with normally very low blood pressure, I'm naturally very
interested in this topic. This article does NOT say that low blood pressure
is a concern... it says only that it is a concern in patients with corony
heart disease (CHD)! And, they are talking about patients with HBP whose
blood pressure is being lowered with medication, and how to maintain the
balance between dyastolic and systolic without lowering one or the other too
much.

I would imagine, as Judy said previously, that it is a problem in some
situations, but not always. If you faint or pass out or have chronic
fatigue, that is a problem. If your blood pressure is normally higher, and
then suddenly drops... that is a problem that needs to be looked into. If
you are on blood pressure medication and your blood pressure takes a
nosedive from very high to too low, that is a problem and your medication
probably needs to be adjusted. If you have no symptoms and feel fine and
have always had low blood pressure, that is NOT a problem.

Regards,

Arlene
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:29 pm    Post subject: Re: migraine, blood pressure, maybe cholesterol fixed but theres a small problem Reply with quote

kol_Isha wrote:
: "Jim Chinnis" <jchinnis@SPAMalum.mit.edu>
::
:: Actually, low blood pressure without fainting is a concern:
::
:: http://www.theheart.org/viewArticle.do?primaryKey=715681&nl_id=tho20jun06
:
: As a person with normally very low blood pressure, I'm naturally very
: interested in this topic. This article does NOT say that low blood
: pressure is a concern... it says only that it is a concern in
: patients with corony heart disease (CHD)! And, they are talking
: about patients with HBP whose blood pressure is being lowered with
: medication, and how to maintain the balance between dyastolic and
: systolic without lowering one or the other too much.
:
: I would imagine, as Judy said previously, that it is a problem in some
: situations, but not always. If you faint or pass out or have chronic
: fatigue, that is a problem. If your blood pressure is normally
: higher, and then suddenly drops... that is a problem that needs to be
: looked into. If you are on blood pressure medication and your blood
: pressure takes a nosedive from very high to too low, that is a
: problem and your medication probably needs to be adjusted. If you
: have no symptoms and feel fine and have always had low blood
: pressure, that is NOT a problem.

In the abstract below it is explained that the possible hazards associated
with low diastolic blood pressure are probably caused by isolated systolic
blood pressure:

Am J Cardiol. 2004 Aug 1;94(3):380-4.

A likely explanation for the J-curve of blood pressure cardiovascular risk.

Kannel WB, Wilson PW, Nam BH, D'Agostino RB, Li J.

Boston University School of Medicine/Framingham Heart Study, Framingham,
Massachusetts 01702-5827, USA.

We prospectively tested in the combined original and offspring Framingham
cohorts the hypothesis that the increase in cardiovascular disease (CVD)
incidence at low diastolic blood pressure (BP) is largely confined to
subjects with increased systolic BP and hence an increased pulse pressure.
The 10-year risk of 951 nonfatal CVD events and 204 CVD deaths was estimated
at diastolic pressures of <80, 80 to 90, and > or =90 mm Hg, according to
concomitant systolic BP. An increasing tendency for a J-curve relation of
CVD incidence to diastolic BP was observed with successive increments in
accompanying systolic BP. In both genders, a statistically significant
excess of CVD events was observed at a diastolic BP of <80 mm Hg only when
accompanied by a systolic BP of >140 mm Hg that persisted after adjustment
for age and associated CVD risk factors. Patients with this condition of
isolated systolic hypertension have been shown to benefit from
antihypertensive treatment. PMID: 15276113

http://tinyurl.com/g5gwc

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: migraine, blood pressure, maybe cholesterol fixed but theres a small problem Reply with quote

"kol_Isha" <kol_isha@hotmail.com> wrote in part:

Quote:

"Jim Chinnis" <jchinnis@SPAMalum.mit.edu

Actually, low blood pressure without fainting is a concern:

http://www.theheart.org/viewArticle.do?primaryKey=715681&nl_id=tho20jun06
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA


As a person with normally very low blood pressure, I'm naturally very
interested in this topic. This article does NOT say that low blood pressure
is a concern... it says only that it is a concern in patients with corony
heart disease (CHD)! And, they are talking about patients with HBP whose
blood pressure is being lowered with medication, and how to maintain the
balance between dyastolic and systolic without lowering one or the other too
much.

I would imagine, as Judy said previously, that it is a problem in some
situations, but not always. If you faint or pass out or have chronic
fatigue, that is a problem. If your blood pressure is normally higher, and
then suddenly drops... that is a problem that needs to be looked into. If
you are on blood pressure medication and your blood pressure takes a
nosedive from very high to too low, that is a problem and your medication
probably needs to be adjusted. If you have no symptoms and feel fine and
have always had low blood pressure, that is NOT a problem.

Regards,

Arlene


I don't disagree with you. But I'd say this is an area that is not
well-understood. (Like most.)
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:57 pm    Post subject: Re: migraine, blood pressure, maybe cholesterol fixed but theres a small problem Reply with quote

"Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in part:

Quote:
In the abstract below it is explained that the possible hazards associated
with low diastolic blood pressure are probably caused by isolated systolic
blood pressure:

There seem to be at least two hypotheses. One has to do with pulse pressure,
which is often high in *treated* hypertension and in isolated systolic
hypertension. The other concerns the low diastolic pressure, which may
hamper perfusion of heart muscle, particularly where coronary artery disease
is present.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:00 pm    Post subject: Re: migraine, blood pressure, maybe cholesterol fixed but theres a small problem Reply with quote

"Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in part:

Quote:
: Actually, low blood pressure without fainting is a concern:
:
: http://www.theheart.org/viewArticle.do?primaryKey=715681&nl_id=tho20jun06

Thanks for a a good posting! It seems that Dr. Cooke is not well informed in
this respect.

He was probably well-informed at the time of writing, which could have
anywhere between about 2000 and 2002...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: migraine, blood pressure, maybe cholesterol fixed but theres a small problem Reply with quote

Jim Chinnis wrote:
: "Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in part:
:
:: In the abstract below it is explained that the possible hazards
:: associated with low diastolic blood pressure are probably caused by
:: isolated systolic blood pressure:
:
: There seem to be at least two hypotheses. One has to do with pulse
: pressure, which is often high in *treated* hypertension and in
: isolated systolic hypertension. The other concerns the low diastolic
: pressure, which may hamper perfusion of heart muscle, particularly
: where coronary artery disease is present.

It is also known that the outcome of drug treated hypertension is not as
good as hypertension treated by diet.

To my knowledge pulse pressure is associated with arterial stiffness which
in turn is mostly caused by impared endothelial function. Do you think that
my reasoning correct if I think that pulse pressure (or isolated blood
pressure) could be treated by enhancing endothelial function by fish oils,
dietary arginine, phytochemicals and glycemic control?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: migraine, blood pressure, maybe cholesterol fixed but theres a small problem Reply with quote

"Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in part:

Quote:
Jim Chinnis wrote:
: "Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in part:
:
:: In the abstract below it is explained that the possible hazards
:: associated with low diastolic blood pressure are probably caused by
:: isolated systolic blood pressure:
:
: There seem to be at least two hypotheses. One has to do with pulse
: pressure, which is often high in *treated* hypertension and in
: isolated systolic hypertension. The other concerns the low diastolic
: pressure, which may hamper perfusion of heart muscle, particularly
: where coronary artery disease is present.

It is also known that the outcome of drug treated hypertension is not as
good as hypertension treated by diet.

To my knowledge pulse pressure is associated with arterial stiffness which
in turn is mostly caused by impared endothelial function. Do you think that
my reasoning correct if I think that pulse pressure (or isolated blood
pressure) could be treated by enhancing endothelial function by fish oils,
dietary arginine, phytochemicals and glycemic control?

I don't think I know enough to really comment.

If the problems of low diastolic pressure or high pulse pressure are due to
poor perfusion of the heart muscle, I don't know if improved endothelial
function would make a sufficient differece to resolve it or not.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:19 pm    Post subject: Re: migraine, blood pressure, maybe cholesterol fixed but theres a small problem Reply with quote

Thanks for the excellent article: very up to date and complete.
If we go back to Napoleon's original concerns: his blood pressure was
fairly dramatically lowered. If we run his Framingham risk, and we
don't have all the details to do so, it would likely suggest an LDL
goal of 100 or 130 depending on the 10 year risk.
The bottom line is, he has some risk for atherosclerosis, his blood
pressure was lowered fairly dramatically in a short period of time, and
he suffered side effects: likely due to med side effects and possibly
due to the blood pressure lowering. He's likely a person where 90/60 is
too low of a blood pressure.
We have been arguing if there is a level of blood pressure that is
too low, and obviously there is: it is of most concern if you have
heart and/or kidney disease, or are symptomatic with it.
This is a migraine forum. Migraine can cause autonomic dysfunction,
some of that may be reflected in some dysregulation of blood
pressure--which is the likely mechanism for the success of calcium
channel blockers, beta blockers, ACE inhibitor and ARB's for the
prophylaxis of migraine.
As Arlene as written several times, if you are healthy and tolerate
your relatively low blood pressure without symptoms, then it's not a
cause for concern.
Judy
Jim Chinnis wrote:
Quote:
"Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in part:

judy.n wrote:
: Juhana Harju wrote:
:: kol_Isha wrote:
::: "Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in message
::: news:4g505oF1lfq3nU1@individual.net...
::
:::: I did not find any reference for your claim that 120/80 would be
:::: better than
:::: 90/60. The references state that "beginning at 115/75 mm Hg, CVD
:::: risk doubles for each increment of 20/10 mm Hg."
::::
::: I don't think she is saying that 120/80 wouild be better than 90/60.
::: She is saying that 120/80 (the "new" standard) is better than 140/90
::: (the "old" standard).
::
:: She said that the "ideal" blood pressure is currently defined as
:: 120/80 and that "90/60 is actually quite low, especially for an
:: adult."
::
::: Low blood pressure, as far as I know, is not
::: bad (unless it drops way too low, I guess, and it's not the norm for
::: that individual).
::
:: I know that low blood pressure is not bad unless it causes dizziness
:: or fainting. That is the reason I was asking her to post some
:: references to back her claim.

: How do you know this to be true?

Dr. John P. Cooke, who is the head of Stanford Medical School's vascular
unit, states it clearly in his book /The Cardiovascular Cure/ (Broadway
Books, 2003, p. 6):

"In my opinion, the lower your blood pressure, the better. Obviously, if
your blood pressure is too low, you will faint. But I tell my patients that
their blood pressure should be just high enough to keep them from falling
over. Even if your blood pressure is as low as 90/60 but you can stand
without trouble, this is healthy and, in the long run, better for your heart
and vessels."

http://tinyurl.com/oo7py

Actually, low blood pressure without fainting is a concern:

http://www.theheart.org/viewArticle.do?primaryKey=715681&nl_id=tho20jun06
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:38 pm    Post subject: Re: migraine, blood pressure, maybe cholesterol fixed but theres a small problem Reply with quote

judy.n wrote:
Quote:
Thanks for the excellent article: very up to date and complete.
If we go back to Napoleon's original concerns: his blood pressure was
fairly dramatically lowered. If we run his Framingham risk, and we
don't have all the details to do so, it would likely suggest an LDL
goal of 100 or 130 depending on the 10 year risk.
The bottom line is, he has some risk for atherosclerosis, his blood
pressure was lowered fairly dramatically in a short period of time, and
he suffered side effects: likely due to med side effects and possibly
due to the blood pressure lowering. He's likely a person where 90/60 is
too low of a blood pressure.
We have been arguing if there is a level of blood pressure that is
too low, and obviously there is: it is of most concern if you have
heart and/or kidney disease, or are symptomatic with it.
This is a migraine forum. Migraine can cause autonomic dysfunction,
some of that may be reflected in some dysregulation of blood
pressure--which is the likely mechanism for the success of calcium
channel blockers, beta blockers, ACE inhibitor and ARB's for the
prophylaxis of migraine.
As Arlene as written several times, if you are healthy and tolerate
your relatively low blood pressure without symptoms, then it's not a
cause for concern.
Judy
Jim Chinnis wrote:

"Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in part:


judy.n wrote:
: Juhana Harju wrote:
:: kol_Isha wrote:
::: "Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in message
::: news:4g505oF1lfq3nU1@individual.net...
::
:::: I did not find any reference for your claim that 120/80 would be
:::: better than
:::: 90/60. The references state that "beginning at 115/75 mm Hg, CVD
:::: risk doubles for each increment of 20/10 mm Hg."
::::
::: I don't think she is saying that 120/80 wouild be better than 90/60.
::: She is saying that 120/80 (the "new" standard) is better than 140/90
::: (the "old" standard).
::
:: She said that the "ideal" blood pressure is currently defined as
:: 120/80 and that "90/60 is actually quite low, especially for an
:: adult."
::
::: Low blood pressure, as far as I know, is not
::: bad (unless it drops way too low, I guess, and it's not the norm for
::: that individual).
::
:: I know that low blood pressure is not bad unless it causes dizziness
:: or fainting. That is the reason I was asking her to post some
:: references to back her claim.

: How do you know this to be true?

Dr. John P. Cooke, who is the head of Stanford Medical School's vascular
unit, states it clearly in his book /The Cardiovascular Cure/ (Broadway
Books, 2003, p. 6):

"In my opinion, the lower your blood pressure, the better. Obviously, if
your blood pressure is too low, you will faint. But I tell my patients that
their blood pressure should be just high enough to keep them from falling
over. Even if your blood pressure is as low as 90/60 but you can stand
without trouble, this is healthy and, in the long run, better for your heart
and vessels."

http://tinyurl.com/oo7py

Actually, low blood pressure without fainting is a concern:

http://www.theheart.org/viewArticle.do?primaryKey=715681&nl_id=tho20jun06
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:01 pm    Post subject: Re: migraine, blood pressure, maybe cholesterol fixed but theres a small problem Reply with quote

"judy.n" <judy.nudelman@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1151266763.417768.237030@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

<snip>

Quote:
The bottom line is, he has some risk for atherosclerosis, his blood
pressure was lowered fairly dramatically in a short period of time,
and he suffered side effects: likely due to med side effects and
possibly due to the blood pressure lowering. He's likely a person
where 90/60 is too low of a blood pressure.
We have been arguing if there is a level of blood pressure that is
too low, and obviously there is: it is of most concern if you have
heart and/or kidney disease, or are symptomatic with it.
This is a migraine forum. Migraine can cause autonomic dysfunction,
some of that may be reflected in some dysregulation of blood
pressure--which is the likely mechanism for the success of calcium
channel blockers, beta blockers, ACE inhibitor and ARB's for the
prophylaxis of migraine.
As Arlene as written several times, if you are healthy and tolerate
your relatively low blood pressure without symptoms, then it's not a
cause for concern.
Judy

<snip>
My understanding is that healthy blood pressure is also a factor of
height, weight and gender. However, a patient may be uncomfortable with
their bp and should discuss it with their doc - particularly if
undesirable side effects are present (Quality of life matters - and the
doc isn't the one who has to deal with it). Similarly, a doctor might
be unhappy with a patient having too low a bp and want to change the
meds.

Cindy Wells
(who had the latter with Calan (for migraine prophylaxis) starting with
a normal bp. My doc tested my bp standing, sitting and lying down and
questioned why I wasn't coming into the clinic with bruises from
falling when I got up in the morning. Thus we tried the next med in
the list the neuro had made of things to try to break the frequency/
severity routine.)
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Quote:

"Jim Chinnis" <jchinnis@SPAMalum.mit.edu

Actually, low blood pressure without fainting is a concern:

http://www.theheart.org/viewArticle.do?primaryKey=715681&nl_id=tho20jun06
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA


As a person with normally very low blood pressure, I'm naturally very
interested in this topic. This article does NOT say that low blood
pressure is a concern... it says only that it is a concern in patients
with corony heart disease (CHD)! And, they are talking about patients
with HBP whose blood pressure is being lowered with medication, and how to
maintain the balance between dyastolic and systolic without lowering one
or the other too much.

I would imagine, as Judy said previously, that it is a problem in some
situations, but not always. If you faint or pass out or have chronic
fatigue, that is a problem. If your blood pressure is normally higher,
and then suddenly drops... that is a problem that needs to be looked into.
If you are on blood pressure medication and your blood pressure takes a
nosedive from very high to too low, that is a problem and your medication
probably needs to be adjusted. If you have no symptoms and feel fine and
have always had low blood pressure, that is NOT a problem.

Regards,

Arlene


There is also a correlation between low diastolic and dementia/Alzheimer's.
Before anyone gets uptight, notice I said correlation and not causation.
From what I understand there is not enough data to say whether low diastolic
causes dementia/Alzheimer's or whether impending dementia/Alzheimer's causes
low diastolic. The only mechanism suggested is that low diastolic results
in reduced perfusion in the brain and reduced perfusion may result in
dementia/Alzheimer's.

Jay
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:34 pm    Post subject: Re: migraine, blood pressure, maybe cholesterol fixed but theres a small problem Reply with quote

Juhana Harju wrote:
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Ignatz's Bricks wrote:
: Juhana Harju wrote:
:
:: Pomegranate juice might be a healthier alternative for blood pressure
:: lowering medications, most likely without any unpleasant adverse
:: effects. In an Israeli study below drinking pomegranate juice daily
:: reduced systolic blood pressure by 21 mmHg (not 21% as the abstract
:: mistakenly states). That would be enough in your case. Besides
:: lowering blood pressure the juice would also improve your
:: antioxidant status considerably.
::
:: http://www.pomwonderful.com/pdf/clinical_nutrition.pdf
:
: I don't have high blood pressure, but I take 4 ounces of Pomegranate
: juice twice a day for impotence problems, and one side effect that I
: noticed was that it lowered my blood pressure by about 10 mmHg
: Systolic and by about 05 mmHg Diastolic.
:
:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15947695&query_hl=4

Thanks for your posting! I had not thought about this kind of use of
pomegranate juice. I had not seen the study either.

: For the record:
: These guys really ought to proofread more carefully, too. The full
: text version of the Journal of Urology article has a typo in the
: formula for finding the Body Mass Index.
:
: IB

--
Juhana

Really, the proofreading is outrageout
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