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rolf.lundgren@redhatsecur
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:18 am    Post subject: Questions regarding possible exposure via tattoo. Reply with quote

I recently received a tattoo that has left me with some concern. I believe
that during the tattoo, the artist grabbed an unsterilized pillow to support
his arm while he tattoed my back, and the pillow likely came in contact with
my "wound". I can't help but wonder if he's done this with the same pillow
before.

The tattoo is healing well, with no topical infection, but I am still
concerned about the possibility of blood-bourne infection.

I am going to wait a month before getting tested - Or should I get tested
sooner? Is the pillow a possible source of blood-bourne contagion?
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Milena555
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:37 am    Post subject: Re: Questions regarding possible exposure via tattoo. Reply with quote

rolf.lundgren@redhatsecurity.com wrote:
Quote:
I recently received a tattoo that has left me with some concern. I believe
that during the tattoo, the artist grabbed an unsterilized pillow to support
his arm while he tattoed my back, and the pillow likely came in contact with
my "wound". I can't help but wonder if he's done this with the same pillow
before.

The tattoo is healing well, with no topical infection, but I am still
concerned about the possibility of blood-bourne infection.

I am going to wait a month before getting tested - Or should I get tested
sooner? Is the pillow a possible source of blood-bourne contagion?

I wouldn't worry too much. The chance of being infected may be quite
small.
I don't know about other infections but to have a accurate result on
HIV-infection you have to wait 3 months Sad
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Curt James
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Questions regarding possible exposure via tattoo. Reply with quote

rolf.lundgren@redhatsecurity.com wrote:

Quote:
I recently received a tattoo that has left me with some concern. I believe
that during the tattoo, the artist grabbed an unsterilized pillow to support
his arm while he tattoed my back, and the pillow likely came in contact with
my "wound". I can't help but wonder if he's done this with the same pillow
before.

The tattoo is healing well, with no topical infection, but I am still
concerned about the possibility of blood-bourne infection.

I am going to wait a month before getting tested - Or should I get tested
sooner? Is the pillow a possible source of blood-bourne contagion?

The short version:

Possible? Yes. Probable? No. HIV does not live long outside the body.

"Scientists and medical experts agree that HIV is such a fragile virus
that it does not survive well in the environment. It dies quickly
outside the human body. So you are unlikely to get HIV from a toilet
seat." From:
http://www.uu.edu/studentservices/healthservices/bloodborne/

Likewise a pillow, imo.

The long version:

I have a swollen gland on the left side of my neck that I mentioned to
a doctor during a visit for a sore throat yesterday. He ordered a
biopsy. Now this swollen gland has been with me for at least six years
as I remember asking another doctor about the same swollen gland while
I was completing my teaching certificate.

That doctor asked, something like, "Has it grown or changed in size?"
It hadn't and so I went on my merry way, happy that he wasn't
interested in removing my neck. The current doctor joked(?) that if
something did result from the swollen gland, well, "Whose fault would
it be?" I replied, "That bastard, [doc's name]!" We both laughed
and... uh, okay, all that to say:

You probably have NOTHING to worry about, but, hey, what's a test
going to hurt? You'll get your clean bill of health and be on your
way.

....

Or they'll find something. Damn again! My biopsy is schedule for June
29. They'll find that they must remove my neck and you'll be shown HIV
positive then we can both cry in our beers. Please report back with
your results.

WAIT!

Radio-opaque non-malignant mass is the magic "word" for my situation.
I read about one of those critters in a medical journal a million
years ago while working as a proofreader. So, in my mind, I'm in the
clear.

Your magic word is *WhatAreTheFrigginOdds?*

Your tattoo artist, imo, has a greater risk for catching something
from his clients than his clients do from his... pillow.

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends eye
protection for a variety of potential exposure settings where workers
may be at risk of acquiring infectious diseases via ocular exposure."
From: http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/eye/eye-infectious.html

People bleed as they're tattooed (yes, I'm a geeeenius), artists often
sit rather close to their work surface, and that surface is offering a
microscopic spray?

"Infectious diseases can be transmitted through various mechanisms,
among which are infections that can be introduced through the mucous
membranes of the eye (conjunctiva). These include viruses and bacteria
than can cause conjunctivitis (e.g., adenovirus, herpes simplex,
Staphylococcus aureus) and viruses that can cause systemic infections,
including bloodborne viruses (e.g. hepatitis B and C viruses, human
immunodeficiency virus), herpes viruses, and rhinoviruses. Infectious
agents are introduced to the eye either directly (e.g., blood
splashes, respiratory droplets generated during coughing or
suctioning) or from touching the eyes with contaminated fingers or
other objects." (Again from the eye-infectious.html.)

Hmm. Let me connect the pillow in question with eye protection using
another quote from the eye-infectious.html:

"Can another worker reuse my eye protection?

The eyewear described above is generally not disposable and must be
disinfected before reuse. Where possible, each individual worker
should be assigned his/her own eye protection to insure appropriate
fit and to minimize the potential of exposing the next wearer. A
labeled container for used (potentially contaminated) eye protection
should be available in the HCW change-out/locker room. Eye protection
deposited here can be collected, disinfected, washed, and then
reused."

Substitute pillow for every occurence of eye protection and eyewear.
The author states, "to minimize the POTENTIAL of exposing the next
wearer" so, again, I'd say you probably have nothing to worry about as
the potential for contracting a blood-borne infection. Why? Well, they
don't seem to be sweating eyewear, so I extrapolated to the pillow in
question. And, I take comfort in the following as well:

"No incidents of ketchup dispensers being contaminated with
HIV-infected blood have been reported to CDC. Furthermore, CDC has no
reports of HIV infection resulting from eating food, including
condiments.

HIV is not an airborne or food-borne virus, and it does not live long
outside the body. Even if small amounts of HIV-infected blood were
consumed, stomach acid would destroy the virus. Therefore, there is no
risk of contracting HIV from eating ketchup." From:
http://www.cdc.gov/HIV/pubs/faq/hoax1.htm

Substitute pillow for ketchup dispensers, eh? And, yeah also
substitute leaning on a pillow for eating food, etc., etc.

Anyway, is the pillow a possible source of blood-bourne contagion?

Possible? Yes. Probable? No. HIV does not live long outside the body.

"Scientists and medical experts agree that HIV is such a fragile virus
that it does not survive well in the environment. It dies quickly
outside the human body. So you are unlikely to get HIV from a toilet
seat." From:
http://www.uu.edu/studentservices/healthservices/bloodborne/

Likewise a pillow, imo.

Still, I had similar thoughts when I saw an artist pick up the phone
while wearing his latex glove and then NOT changing that glove when
he'd finished his conversation. Zoinks! People tend to think or fear
the worst case scenario. Get tested for you peace of mind, however, I
suspect that unprotected sex you had recently(?) is of more concern
than your tattoo artist's pillow.

Best of luck. Please post a follow-up.

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Curt
http://curtjames.com/
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Curt James
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Questions regarding possible exposure via tattoo. Reply with quote

Milena555 <Gavril1@hotmail.com> wrote:

[...]

Quote:
snip> to have a accurate result on HIV-infection
you have to wait 3 months Sad

http://www.metrokc.gov/health/apu/infograms/hivantibody0903.htm

Thank you for cross-posting. New faces are always welcome.

....

Kinda. ;o)

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http://curtjames.com/
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Curt James
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Questions regarding possible exposure via tattoo. Reply with quote

I scribbled:

Quote:
rolf.lundgren@redhatsecurity.com wrote:

I recently received a tattoo that has left me with some concern. I believe
that during the tattoo, the artist grabbed an unsterilized pillow to support
his arm while he tattoed my back, and the pillow likely came in contact with
my "wou<snip>e pillow a possible source of blood-bourne contagion?

The short version:

Possible? Yes. Probable? No. HI<snip

Ahem. Forgot this bit:

The content of this post (and my previous posts in this thread) is
provided for general information only and is not intended in any way
to substitute for professional medical advice. This post is not
intended to be relied upon for medical diagnosis or treatment. Always
seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health
professional if you have any concern about your health. To obtain
medical advice, patients must consult a physician one-on-one.
Individuals are encouraged to develop a professional relationship with
physicians and other medical practitioners and regularly consult with
them and seek their advice.

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http://curtjames.com/
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KavinTaylor@gmail.com
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Questions regarding possible exposure via tattoo. Reply with quote

rolf.lundgren@redhatsecurity.com wrote:
Quote:
I recently received a tattoo that has left me with some concern. I believe
that during the tattoo, the artist grabbed an unsterilized pillow to support
his arm while he tattoed my back, and the pillow likely came in contact with
my "wound". I can't help but wonder if he's done this with the same pillow
before.

The tattoo is healing well, with no topical infection, but I am still
concerned about the possibility of blood-bourne infection.

I am going to wait a month before getting tested - Or should I get tested
sooner? Is the pillow a possible source of blood-bourne contagion?

How about his tattoo equipment? If you think he was a bit slack using
the pillow, how can you be sure anything else is sterile?

And by the way, Hep C (and others) can kill just as easily.

Hope that makes your day sunny.


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Waterspider
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:08 am    Post subject: Re: Questions regarding possible exposure via tattoo. Reply with quote

"Curt James" <cwj111@psu.edu> wrote in message
news:0tf592pu04tlbgj7a2bi81r05pri3vr5jr@4ax.com...
Quote:
I scribbled:

rolf.lundgren@redhatsecurity.com wrote:

I recently received a tattoo that has left me with some concern. I
believe
that during the tattoo, the artist grabbed an unsterilized pillow to
support
his arm while he tattoed my back, and the pillow likely came in contact
with
my "wou<snip>e pillow a possible source of blood-bourne contagion?

The short version:

Possible? Yes. Probable? No. HI<snip

Ahem. Forgot this bit:

The content of this post (and my previous posts in this thread) is
provided for general information only and is not intended in any way
to substitute for professional medical advice. This post is not
intended to be relied upon for medical diagnosis or treatment. Always
seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health
professional if you have any concern about your health. To obtain
medical advice, patients must consult a physician one-on-one.
Individuals are encouraged to develop a professional relationship with
physicians and other medical practitioners and regularly consult with
them and seek their advice.
--
Um..... ya think?

Um... couldn't you just say you're not a medical professional?
Um... maybe someone stupid enough to believe what they read on usenet
wouldn't be able to wade through your disclaimer?
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Curt James
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Questions regarding possible exposure via tattoo. Reply with quote

Waterspider <waterspider@moonlight.net> wrote:

I scribbled (with the 99% or more assistance of some health Web site):

Quote:
The content of this post (and my previous posts in this thread) is
provided for general information only and is not intended in any way
to substitute for professional medical advice. This post is not
intended to be relied upon for medical diagnosis or treatment. Always
seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health
professional if you have any concern about your health. To obtain
medical advice, patients must consult a physician one-on-one.
Individuals are encouraged to develop a professional relationship with
physicians and other medical practitioners and regularly consult with
them and seek their advice.

Um..... ya think?

Yup.

Quote:
Um... couldn't you just say you're not a medical professional?

I could say that.

"I'm not a medical professional." <--- See?

But where's the humor (okay, from MY perspective) in that?

I also see it as a gentle way of encouraging the OP to actually seek
that professional medical advice, yes, that qualified health
professional.

Quote:
Um... maybe someone stupid enough to believe what they read
on usenet wouldn't be able to

Maybe. Generally, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Quote:
wade through your disclaimer?

Most people skim rather than wade, ime. The last words of that
disclaimer include "seek their advice."

Ever skip to the end of a book to see what's going to happen?

....

Yeah, me neither. ;o)

While I'm here, I apologize for the apparent cross-post. Duh.

That and Waterspider is a cool name.

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http://curtjames.com/
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KavinTaylor@gmail.com
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Questions regarding possible exposure via tattoo. Reply with quote

Waterspider wrote:
Quote:
"Curt James" <cwj111@psu.edu> wrote
CG> > The content of this post (and my previous posts in this thread)

is
CG> > to substitute for professional medical advice. This post is not
CG> > intended to be relied upon for medical diagnosis or treatment.
Always
CG> > seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health
CG> > professional if you have any concern about your health. To obtain
CG> > medical advice, patients must consult a physician one-on-one.
CG> > Individuals are encouraged to develop a professional relationship
with
CG> > physicians and other medical practitioners and regularly consult
with
CG> > them and seek their advice.
Quote:
--
Um..... ya think?
Um... couldn't you just say you're not a medical professional?
Um... maybe someone stupid enough to believe what they read on usenet
wouldn't be able to wade through your disclaimer?

Obviously, you haven't dealt with Capt. Google before.

Loves to read his own posts. Thinks he's witty. Thinks being helpful
is pulling up Google searches and posting them. Thinks that school
children should not be graded on their art -- he's an art teacher, ya
know? Thinks that posting a stupid argument is playing the devil's
advocate. Will argue a point simply to argue it. He has no
convictions -- see previous. Has abandoned more piercings than he has
kept (can't seem to make it past the slight discomfort phase). He will
post the exact same reference to Mica because he thinks it's witty/or
proves his point. Thinks Keith A. liked him.

Will post something to this because he's my b***h.


Kavin
"volleyball, ouch. LOVE that story."
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