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Ed Conrad
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:56 pm    Post subject: Up Your's, Evolution! Reply with quote

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INTELLIGENT DESIGN?

This is the Hubble Telescope's 2004 Ultra View Photo that
was taken of a totally blackened sky as seen through a view
comparable to an EIGHT-FOOT-STRAW. The result: galaxies
upon galaxies upon galaxies, meaning that our universe is far
bigger than we can even begin to fathom.
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EVOLUTION -- GREATEST COVERUP
IN THE HISTORY OF HISTORY

"Any suggestion that scientists
so dearly love truth, that they
have not the slightest hesitation
in jettisoning their beliefs, is
a mean perversion of the facts."

I. Bernard Cohen
(professor of history and science
at Harvard University)
as stated in "The Velikovsky Affair:
The Warfare Between Science and Scientism"

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RyanT
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Up Your's, Evolution! Reply with quote

There are things in the universe we don't understand, therefore it must
be intelligently designed.

Haha, worst argument ever.
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Spindler of Kittens
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Up Your's, Evolution! Reply with quote

"RyanT" <yidijm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143488619.764921.56270@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: There are things in the universe we don't understand, therefore it
must
: be intelligently designed.
:
: Haha, worst argument ever.

You've got that one right! I don't understand Ed, but you won't
convince me that he's intelligently designed.
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Accidental
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:29 am    Post subject: Re: Up Your's, Evolution! Reply with quote

RyanT wrote:
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There are things in the universe we don't understand, therefore it must
be intelligently designed.

Haha, worst argument ever.

There are things in the universe we don't and maybe can't understand,
therefore our designer must like ignorant sheeple.

Much better argument, and nearly every creationist can fit it in
Pauline doctrine.
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Immortalist
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:29 am    Post subject: Re: Up Your's, Evolution! Reply with quote

"Accidental" <Philip.Kooistra@gmail.com> wrote in message
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RyanT wrote:
There are things in the universe we don't understand, therefore it must
be intelligently designed.

Haha, worst argument ever.

There are things in the universe we don't and maybe can't understand,
therefore our designer must like ignorant sheeple.

Much better argument, and nearly every creationist can fit it in
Pauline doctrine.


How come the intelligent design enthusiasts limit their God by claiming that
this God could not have caused the world just like science claims the world
evolved? Are they saying that it would be impossible for the God to create
us by biological evolution? Seems that would solve the problem.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Up Your's, Evolution! Reply with quote

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How come two of the objects, like the orange "star" at the bottom
center, have lines of light coming out from them at right angles, like
this:
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Say, is that really a picture???
K e v
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Cary Kittrell
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Up Your's, Evolution! Reply with quote

In article <1143582577.652622.21690@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "kevirwin" <kevirwin@comcast.net> writes:
Quote:

http://www.spacedaily.com/images/hubble-ultradeep-desk-1024.jpg


How come two of the objects, like the orange "star" at the bottom
center, have lines of light coming out from them at right angles, like
this:
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-----0-----
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Say, is that really a picture???
K e v


Those are the butterfly pins used to suspend the stars from
the celestial crystalline spheres. Jeez, don't they teach
you kids anything these days?

(they're diffraction effects, probably from the vanes used
to support the secondary mirror)


-- cary
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Hugh Gibbons
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Up Your's, Evolution! Reply with quote

In article <1143582577.652622.21690@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"kevirwin" <kevirwin@comcast.net> wrote:

Quote:

http://www.spacedaily.com/images/hubble-ultradeep-desk-1024.jpg


How come two of the objects, like the orange "star" at the bottom
center, have lines of light coming out from them at right angles, like
this:
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All the really bright objects on Hubble images are like that. It's
aberration due to the optics. Take a look at the cutaway drawing:

http://www.spacetoday.org/images/Hubble/HubbleCutawayBig.jpg

At the right, you see the supporting structure for the secondary
mirror. That is in the way of light passing from the aperture to
the objective (primary) mirror. It causes diffraction of the
light coming in the aperture and creates the crosshair-like artifact
on the images. You don't see it on faint objects because the relative
brightness of the faint objects compared to the main focal point is
slight.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Up Your's, Evolution! Reply with quote

In article <e0cgca$ff4$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:

Quote:
In article <1143582577.652622.21690@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "kevirwin"
kevirwin@comcast.net> writes:

http://www.spacedaily.com/images/hubble-ultradeep-desk-1024.jpg


How come two of the objects, like the orange "star" at the bottom
center, have lines of light coming out from them at right angles, like
this:
|
-----0-----
|

Say, is that really a picture???
K e v


Those are the butterfly pins used to suspend the stars from
the celestial crystalline spheres. Jeez, don't they teach
you kids anything these days?

(they're diffraction effects, probably from the vanes used
to support the secondary mirror)


-- cary

We're not allowed to use butterfly pins on any of the new stars. You
only see them on the older, bright objects. The new ones have to have
redshift, which means we mount them on rails so they can recede whenever
the astronomers are looking at them. When they're not looking, we have
to wheel them back.
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Cary Kittrell
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Up Your's, Evolution! Reply with quote

In article <party-BEC6F9.14134129032006@news-fe-03.texas.rr.com> Hugh Gibbons <party@myhouse.com> writes:
Quote:
In article <e0cgca$ff4$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:

In article <1143582577.652622.21690@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "kevirwin"
kevirwin@comcast.net> writes:

http://www.spacedaily.com/images/hubble-ultradeep-desk-1024.jpg


How come two of the objects, like the orange "star" at the bottom
center, have lines of light coming out from them at right angles, like
this:
|
-----0-----
|

Say, is that really a picture???
K e v


Those are the butterfly pins used to suspend the stars from
the celestial crystalline spheres. Jeez, don't they teach
you kids anything these days?

(they're diffraction effects, probably from the vanes used
to support the secondary mirror)


-- cary

We're not allowed to use butterfly pins on any of the new stars. You
only see them on the older, bright objects. The new ones have to have
redshift, which means we mount them on rails so they can recede whenever
the astronomers are looking at them. When they're not looking, we have
to wheel them back.



Ah, jeez...

Don't you understand that the so-called "red shift" is just WHAT THEY
WANT YOU TO THINK? The New World Astronomical Cabal is TERRIFIED that
someone outside of their little "monopoly" will stumble on
to the fact that the "red shift" is actually due to you looking
through cubic parsec after cubic parsec of RED ALIEN BACTERIA?




[note: what follows is the only scientific article I am aware of
containing a paragraph which begins:

It's tough to explain, however, how 50 tonnes of mammal
blood could have ended up in rain clouds. Cockell takes
a wild guess that maybe a meteor explosion massacred a
flock of bats, splattering their blood in all
directions.

-- wck]



When aliens rained over India

* 02 March 2006
* Exclusive from New Scientist Print Edition
* Hazel Muir


Where the rain turned red

I'VE heard plenty of tales about freak weather that are strange, but
nonetheless true. In August 2000, a shower of sprats, dead but
conveniently still fresh, fell from the skies onto the English port of
Great Yarmouth just after a thunderstorm. A torrent of live toads pelted
a Mexican town in June 1997. And in 2001, 50 tonnes of alien life forms
rained down from the clouds over India.

Actually, I'm not sure that the alien story is true. But it is
surprisingly persistent. I first saw it in 2003 in a scientific paper
written by Godfrey Louis, a physicist working in the Indian state of
Kerala, on the country's southern tip. He described how, during two
months in 2001, red rain fell sporadically right across the state. No
one could explain it, but after lengthy studies of red particles in the
rainwater, Louis came to the extraordinary conclusion that they were
alien microbes that hitched a ride to Earth on a comet.

To most people, that would sound eccentric at the very least. It looked
as if the idea would quietly wither on the vine. Then in January this
year, it turned out that Louis's theory is still alive and kicking, and
soon to roll off the press in a reputable peer-reviewed journal. I sent
a preprint to several researchers, who despite voicing mixed opinions
almost all agreed about one thing: the red particles Louis describes
look biological.

"If they're not living cells, I don't know what they are," said Milton
Wainwright, a microbiologist at the University of Sheffield, UK. "Maybe
this is the beginning of something amazing." Another scientist simply
commented: "Sounds like bullshit to me." That was it - I could resist
this weird and controversial story no longer.

The saga dates back to 25 July 2001, when red rain fell in a district of
Kerala called Kottayam. Over the following two months, red rain fell
sporadically there and in other Kerala districts, gradually tailing off
over time. The local newspapers buzzed with eyewitness reports. People
found their clothes stained by red raindrops. Although these usually had
a mild red tint, sometimes the colour was so strong that witnesses
compared it to blood. Usually, the red rain would fall for less than 20
minutes.

Louis, a solid-state physicist at Mahatma Gandhi University in Kottayam,
was intrigued and decided to study the rain with his student Santhosh
Kumar. The pair compiled more than 120 reports of the rain from local
newspapers and other sources, and gathered samples of the red rain from
spots more than 100 kilometres apart (see Map).

Under the microscope, they could see red particles 4 to 10 micrometres
wide with an average density of about 9 million particles per
millilitre. When they dried the samples they found that each cubic metre
of rainwater contained about 100 grams of the red stuff. Louis suggests
5 millimetres of red rain would typically have fallen over a
square-kilometre area during each of about 100 downpours. That would
make 500,000 cubic metres of water in total, containing a staggering 50
tonnes of red particles.

What could they be? One possibility was that fine red sand had blown
over Kerala from some distant desert. Sand can travel amazingly far. In
July 1968, for instance, fine grit in raindrops left parts of southern
England coloured rusty red. The sand had blown from the Sahara inside a
massive high-pressure system before falling in a rain shower.

But under the microscope, the red particles that rained on Kerala were
clearly not sand. Electron micrographs show that they are shaped like
biological cells. "They don't look anything like sand, they look
biological," says Monica Grady, a meteorite expert at the UK's Open
University in Milton Keynes. The cells, if that's what they are, are
mostly cup-shaped and have a thick wall.

One type of analysis shows their chemical make-up is about 50 per cent
carbon and 45 per cent oxygen by weight, along with traces of other
elements such as sodium and iron. That's consistent with the components
of a biological cell, according to Jeffrey Walker, a molecular biologist
from the University of Colorado in Boulder. But although many of the
cells have some kind of detached inner capsule, there is no visible cell
nucleus, and tests for DNA that Louis carried out came back negative.

Louis rules out a distant terrestrial source for the mysterious
particles, because the red rain was concentrated over Kerala for two
months despite changes in climate and wind patterns. Could the cells
instead be local pollen or fungal spores washed off trees and houses by
the rain? Louis says no, because red rain was collected in buckets
placed in wide-open spaces. Equally, he says, the red particles can't be
pollen or spores from the ground that accumulated in the atmosphere,
because the rain would then have been red at the start of a shower;
often the colour came later.

Instead, he links the coloured rain to a meteor airburst. During the
early hours of 25 July 2001, just hours before the first red rain fell,
several people in the Kottayam district heard a loud sonic boom that
made their houses rattle. Louis has interviewed some of those who heard
it, and concluded that it was too loud to have been an ordinary
thunderclap. It's possible that an incoming meteor exploded in the
atmosphere.

Louis then takes a large leap and suggests the meteor was a fragment of
a comet harbouring microbes from space. He thinks that is the only
explanation for the red rain pattern. The meteor flew over Kerala from
north to south, he suggests, shedding fragments and alien microbes in
the upper atmosphere, before finally exploding over Kottayam district.
There, some of the red microbes mixed with rain clouds and fell fairly
quickly, while the rest gradually settled into the clouds and fell in
rain over the following weeks.

"Yes, it is an extraordinary claim, but I have to report what I
observe," says Louis. "We are not able to explain it by assuming a
terrestrial object." The red particles look like biological cells, he
stresses, but contain no DNA. They could therefore be exotic, alien life
forms unknown to science.

Far-fetched? Certainly sounds it. But the idea would undoubtedly have
appealed to the late University of Cambridge astronomer Fred Hoyle,
champion of the "panspermia" theory. With Chandra Wickramasinghe of
Cardiff University, UK, Hoyle developed the idea that life on Earth
evolved from microbes that fell to its surface on a comet. In this
picture, primitive life forms could be ubiquitous throughout the
universe, peppered among the planets and the stars.

Philosophically, panspermia has a certain appeal. It could resolve the
genuine puzzle about why life arose on Earth so fast. The solar system
began its life some 4.5 billion years ago as a hostile interplanetary
war zone, with rocky missiles pelting everything in sight. Around 3.9
billion years ago, the Earth suffered a particularly violent bombardment
that pulverised its crust. Yet carbon isotopes in ancient rocks hint
that primitive microbes were thriving just 50,000 years later - a blink
of an eye in evolutionary terms. Panspermia allows off-the-shelf
microbes to arrive on the newly hospitable Earth. This waves away the
apparent paradox that the Earth is the only place in the entire cosmos
where we've found signs of life. From experience, astronomers assume
that if something has occurred once in the universe, it's probably
occurred many more times - we just haven't seen it yet.

Panspermia developed a touch of giggle-factor when Hoyle and
Wickramasinghe blamed extraterrestrial viruses for flu epidemics. But it
has come back into fashion of late, and proponents argue there's plenty
of evidence for it. Experiments have shown that some tough bacteria can
survive for years in space, despite the extreme cold and high levels of
radiation. Others have proved that some of these bugs could survive the
high-speed collisions that they would experience if they slammed into
the Earth on a comet.

The idea of primitive microbes flying around the solar system in its
early days is not as wild as it seems. "Most of the rocks near the
surface of the Earth are shot through with microbial life. It would be a
fairly simple thing for a little piece of the crust to be ejected and
life survive and land somewhere else," says Walker. On balance, he says,
he'd bet that life began here on Earth. But he wouldn't be that
surprised if evidence emerged that life started somewhere else and was
delivered to Earth by a hunk of space rock.


Extraordinary claims

In 1996, Martian meteorite ALH 84001 caused a furore when some
scientists claimed that it harboured fossil bugs. The case was never
proved. "But the most interesting information that we gathered from that
meteorite was that when the rock was ejected from Mars and travelled to
the Earth, the temperature of the interior never exceeded something like
50 °C," says Walker. "Plenty of microbes can survive that, especially
spores."

All in all, it seems that panspermia could work. Now Louis thinks the
red rain of Kerala provides evidence that it actually does. His new
report on the subject, which will appear in Astrophysics and Space
Science in the next few months, is impressive in its detail, according
to Wainwright. "Everything in the paper is done correctly, there's
nothing wacky about it," he says. Grady says it is "very, very thorough
indeed".

However, if scientists have a favourite quote, it's this one,
popularised by Carl Sagan: "extraordinary claims require extraordinary
evidence". I'm hearing it a lot in discussions about the red rain of
Kerala. Grady thinks Louis and Kumar have jumped to the extraterrestrial
conclusion far too quickly. "They seem to prefer the most bizarre
explanation they could find," agrees Charles Cockell at the Open
University, who studies the microbiology of extreme rocky environments.

What other explanations are there? Wainwright likens the red cells to
spores from a rust fungus, or possibly pollen or algae. With
Wickramasinghe and others, Wainwright has shown in balloon experiments
that winds can carry microbes from the ground to high altitudes.
Particles the size of those in the red rain could soar several
kilometres above the Earth's surface. The dimpled shape could easily
have arisen when the cells collapsed in the microscopy process. If that
were true, he says, then the only mystery concerns the lack of DNA. "You
wouldn't expect spores, microbes or algae not to have any DNA," he says.
The simplest explanation is that Louis's experiments missed it, so
Wainwright wants to repeat the tests. If the cells do turn out to
contain DNA, then there is no great mystery. "I'd kind of relax if there
was DNA there," says Wainwright.

If there is no DNA, Wainwright argues, the cells might be something
extraordinary. He speculates, like Louis, that the lack of DNA might
point to some kind of exotic life form, although he admits it would be
paradoxical for cells without DNA to be classed as "living".

Cockell argues that there could be a simpler explanation - the red
particles are actually blood. "They look like red blood cells to me," he
says. The size fits just right; red blood cells are normally about 6 to
8 micrometres wide. They are naturally dimpled just like the red rain
particles. What's more, mammalian red blood cells contain no DNA because
they don't have a cell nucleus.

It's tough to explain, however, how 50 tonnes of mammal blood could have
ended up in rain clouds. Cockell takes a wild guess that maybe a meteor
explosion massacred a flock of bats, splattering their blood in all
directions. India is home to around 100 species of bats, which sometimes
fly to altitudes of 3 kilometres or more. "A giant flock of bats is
actually a possibility - maybe a meteor airburst occurred during a bat
migration," he says. "But one would have to wonder where the bat wings are."

Walker agrees that the particles in the red rain look uncannily like red
blood cells. He says a simple test for haemoglobin could resolve this
quickly. "If they believe they aren't red blood cells, then they need to
explain how they've managed to eliminate that possibility," says
Cockell. "I would have thought some more basic biochemical analysis of
these cells would be worthwhile, and that should identify it, whatever
it is."

"It's a pity that they don't realise this is interesting without all the
extraterrestrial hype," Cockell adds. "How might you get blood into
rain? I don't think anyone has observed an event where they've seen an
animal ripped apart and its blood distributed in clouds. In some ways,
that whole process is far more interesting than what Louis is trying to
prove." For blood cells to survive would be astonishing: normally they
would be destroyed within minutes if kept in rainwater, unless the
salinity was the same as inside the blood cell.

In the next few weeks, the mystery of Kerala's red rain may finally be
solved. Louis sent samples to Wickramasinghe's lab in Cardiff last
month. As New Scientist went to press, he and Wainwright were still
analysing them.

If they can't explain the origin of the samples, then the suggestion
that they are alien life will gain credence. In that case, someone will
have to verify an observation that Louis made which even he finds
astonishing: that the cells replicate. In earlier unpublished papers,
Louis says he cultured the red rain cells in unconventional nutrients,
such as cedar wood oil, and showed that these DNA-devoid microbes divide
happily at a temperature of 300 °C. Louis admits he left these claims
out of his latest paper because he thought they would be considered "too
extraordinary".

Extraordinary is an understatement: if the cells really do replicate
we'll have found the first evidence of extraterrestrial life. In the
end, though, I didn't find any scientist willing to bet that the red
rain of Kerala contained aliens. But everyone agreed it's a cracking
good story that's crying out for a proper explanation. "I think you've
got to be intrigued," said Wainwright. "If you're not intrigued, then
what are you doing in science?"
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INTELLIGENT DESIGN?

This is the Hubble Telescope's 2004 Ultra View Photo that
was taken of a totally blackened sky as seen through a view
comparable to an EIGHT-FOOT-STRAW. The result: galaxies
upon galaxies upon galaxies, meaning that our universe is far
bigger than we can even begin to fathom.

http://www.spacedaily.com/images/hubble-ultradeep-desk-1024.jpg


Evolution *might be* intelligent design. We will have to wait and see.
The existence of multiple galaxies is *consistent* with evolution
because just as the strong survive on a planet, so does life evolve on
planets strong enough to support it.

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EVOLUTION -- GREATEST COVERUP
IN THE HISTORY OF HISTORY

"Any suggestion that scientists
so dearly love truth, that they
have not the slightest hesitation
in jettisoning their beliefs, is
a mean perversion of the facts."

I. Bernard Cohen
(professor of history and science
at Harvard University)
as stated in "The Velikovsky Affair:
The Warfare Between Science and Scientism"

You are quoting an authority. That is an innocuous move in a debate.
Perhaps you would like to share your ideas with us?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Up Your's, Evolution! Reply with quote

was just about to say the same thing mike - you're relying upon a lot
of information that you personally can't prove Cary and as such making
any conclusions based upon it is... well... i've never got why so many
fox's and scully's are out there - is it that people like the chase? i
don't think fox or scully ever got answers and even if they did how
would they even have the slightest chance of knowing if they were the
right ones or what they were driven to believe
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