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Willcox
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 13 Apr 2005
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 Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:34 am Post subject:
Re: Meat diet / cancer / heart disease
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J <author@anon.inv> wrote:
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Jeff
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Joined: 25 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:34 am Post subject:
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"J" <author@anon.inv> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "ironjustice@aol.com" wrote:
http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james22.htm
You are seeing this message because Tom Hennessy aka ironjustice@aol.com
has posted a message in
alt.support.cancer
If you are new to this group, then please understand that his posts are
usually about iron, not eating red meat and bloodletting/giving. In his
mind, Hennessy believes he is a great researcher who has won a Nobel
Prize. In fact, he
merely copies medical material from the web and pastes it to usenet,
proudly calling this his research.
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I haven't seen anything that suggests that Tom thinks he has a noble. While
I question the value of his posts, I don't remember him taking credit for
other people's work.
As far as whether or not we wish to see Tom's posts, I think we can
determine that for ourselves.
Thanks anyway, but I think we can determine if all of Tom's screws are
tight or if we wish to read his posts.
While I think Tom's posts are a waste of electrons, I resent you telling us
what to do.
Jeff
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J
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 29 Apr 2005
Posts: 612
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:34 am Post subject:
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"ironjustice@aol.com" wrote:
| Quote: | http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james22.htm
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You are seeing this message because Tom Hennessy aka ironjustice@aol.com
has posted a message in
alt.support.cancer
If you are new to this group, then please understand that his posts are
usually about iron, not eating red meat and bloodletting/giving. In his
mind, Hennessy believes he is a great researcher who has won a Nobel
Prize. In fact, he
merely copies medical material from the web and pastes it to usenet,
proudly calling this his research.
Tom's previous begging for funding post follows - he had Google remove it
from the archives - it was reposted by another
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.support.mult-sclerosis/msg/36b79938fd9ef029
Folow your doctor's instructions about giving blood and diet.
If you have a newsreader that can block his posts, do so.
either use the Message Rules (which is similar to Netscape or Mozilla)
Follow this guideline, for "news" https://support.nuvox.net/index.php/999
to copy/paste the posting name and email address into the rules
Netscape/Firefox/Moxilla is probably, Edit, Filters
Outlook Express possibly Outlook too.
Highlight/select his post.
Click on 'message' between 'tools and help' at the top of OE...
then click on Block Sender..
If you are using newsreader Forte Agent, here's how to plonk his threads
(under that email address).
Global filters in Forte Agent:
(I assume, like other newsreaders one selects that poster's post), then:
It's just 'Ctrl & K' followed by 'I'
The posts may not disappear immediately, only when you exit the newsgroup
and come back in.
If you receive emails from him also, block him in your "Mail".
Previous addresses include watchman@nucleus.com,
thennessy@telus.net, darreltaylor911@hotmail.com and
ironjustice@aol.comdoe
J
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madiba
medicine forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Posts: 203
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Re: Needle Biopsies Spread Cancer
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Peter Moran <moringa@gil.com.au> wrote:
| Quote: | I can suggest one. Larger tumours will be easier to feel and will be
more likely to be subjected to immediate needle or core biopsy at
initial consultations in the interests of having the earliest possible
diagnosis. Less easy to feel (smaller) lumps will go into other
diagnostic pathways that will include more formal excision-biopsies
such as excision following needle localisation.
Is that the way things happen at your end? I would've thought that
someone presenting with a large tumour was scheduled for the op right
away, with a pre-op frozen section/ biopsy to insure the diagnosis is
correct.
You cannot really talk turkey to patients about treatment options until you
have a pretty certain diagnosis. The stress for these women is bad enough
without asking them to try and deal with hypothetical situations. There
are other arguments against a rushed approach.
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To be more precise: Patients usually present with the large breast
tumour AND a recent mammography. So one has a tentative
clinical-radiological diagnosis. If its as advanced as it looks saving
time is vital, so one schedules surgery. Depending on the local
infrastructure the woman has between a couple of days to a
week or two before the operation. This time could be used for further
(non-invasive) diagnostics such as MRI, sono, some even do tumour
markers to confirm the tent. diagnosis. We're talking 90% or higher
chance of tumour now, so the lumpectomy/quad.resection/mastectomy can be
discussed and planned.
Intraop SLNode and tumour biopsy sent for frozen sections and off you
go. One could argue that the rushed core biopsy in the practice is the
one leading to the aformentioned problems with unnecessary LN mets.
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outrider
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 28 Apr 2005
Posts: 1155
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:56 am Post subject:
Re: Steady Diet of Soy Cuts Breast Cancer Risk
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Mary Fisher wrote:
| Quote: | drceephd2@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:1114637088.789199.128920@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
I have two immediate questions about the consumption of soy.
First, was the soy fermented naturally or chemically processed?
Their is a health and taste difference.
Secondly, most people who consume soy are doing so to avoid the
eating
of meat protein.
There are many other replacements.When we didn't eat meat we just
didn't eat
meat, we didn't feel the need to substitute look-alikes.
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We do not have to eat meat "substitutes" to get protein. Plants have
protein. Soy just happens to be one of the best plant protein sources.
Dried soy beans can be cooked like any bean; and fresh green soy beans,
cooked as we do peas, are delicious in salads or alone, drizzled with
olive oil and sprinkled with kosher salt and cracked black pepper.
Asian cultures have used soy for thousands of years. I am sure they'd
be surprised to hear they are substituting it for meat.
Zee
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Perhaps the real conclusion should be that the reduction of meat
consumption can reduce breast cancer 22% even if you eat chemically
processed soy.
:-)
Mary
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Mary Fisher
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 28 Apr 2005
Posts: 32
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:19 am Post subject:
Re: Steady Diet of Soy Cuts Breast Cancer Risk
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<outrider@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:1114833362.048116.121140@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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Mary Fisher wrote:
drceephd2@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:1114637088.789199.128920@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
I have two immediate questions about the consumption of soy.
First, was the soy fermented naturally or chemically processed?
Their is a health and taste difference.
Secondly, most people who consume soy are doing so to avoid the
eating
of meat protein.
There are many other replacements.When we didn't eat meat we just
didn't eat
meat, we didn't feel the need to substitute look-alikes.
We do not have to eat meat "substitutes" to get protein.
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No, I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I thought that. But there are
many meat substitutes which do re-form soya beans to look like meat
products - textured vegetble protein it used to be called. That's what I
think is a nonsense.
| Quote: | Plants have
protein. Soy just happens to be one of the best plant protein sources.
Dried soy beans can be cooked like any bean; and fresh green soy beans,
cooked as we do peas, are delicious in salads or alone, drizzled with
olive oil and sprinkled with kosher salt and cracked black pepper.
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Sounds good, I've never seen fresh soya beans in Englnd. I once tried
growing them, it was an utter failure. I love fresh beans and peas and
occasionally use dried pulses but the dried ones do need a lot of help in
the form of drizzled oil, salt and pepper - or herbs or other sauces. I
prefer vegetables as they come - but that's just me..
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Asian cultures have used soy for thousands of years. I am sure they'd
be surprised to hear they are substituting it for meat.
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Re-formed soya meat look-alike in Japan is not uncommon  And the Chinese
have bean curd, which these days is sometimes 'flavoured' artificially to
resemble meat. The range of manufacturers and advertisers is very powerful
:-(
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Asian cultures have used soy for thousands of years. I am sure they'd
be surprised to hear they are substituting it for meat.
Zee
This is not true.
The Chinese first cultured and used soybeans. They used it for animal
feed and not human food. They understood the toxic consequenses of
humans eating the soy bean.
It was not until the Chinese learned to ferment the bean that soy
became a human food source.
Why have we forgotten this lesson?
Why do we not understand this fact?
Why and how does fermenting the soy bean render it suitable human food?
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J
medicine forum addict
Joined: 07 May 2005
Posts: 93
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 11:54 pm Post subject:
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I've never heard of any problems eating soy. Its supposed to be
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ironjustice@aol.com
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 28 Apr 2005
Posts: 1522
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Re: Diabetic w/ Squamous Cell Cancer of Head and Neck
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Cancer Immunol Immunother. 2004 Jul 28 [Epub ahead of print] Related
Articles, Links
Effective immunotherapy against cancerA question of overcoming immune
suppression and immune escape?
Malmberg KJ.
Center for Infectious Medicine (CIM), F59, Department of Medicine,
Karolinska Institutet, Karolinska University Hospital Huddinge,
S-14186, Stockholm, Sweden.
During the last decade, the breakthroughs in understanding of the
molecular mechanisms responsible for immune activation and the advent
of recombinant DNA technologies have changed the view on immunotherapy
from "a dream scenario" to becoming a clinical reality. It is now clear
that both cellular immunity comprising T and NK cells, as well as
strategies based on antibodies, can provide strong antitumoral effects,
and evidence is emerging that these strategies may also cure patients
with previously incurable cancers. However, there are still a number of
issues that remain unresolved. Progress in immunotherapy against cancer
requires a combination of new, improved clinical protocols and
strategies for overcoming mechanisms of immune escape and tumor-induced
immune suppression. This review discusses some of the salient issues
that still need to be resolved, focusing on the role of oxidative
stress and the use of antioxidants to alleviate the immune
hyporesponsiveness induced by reactive oxygen species (ROS).
PMID: 15290113 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
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Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
Man Is A Herbivore!
http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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Steph
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 03 May 2005
Posts: 504
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 12:08 pm Post subject:
Re: Positive liver cancer trial results; pancreatic cancer trial later
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"David White" <no@email.provided> wrote in message
news:tGD6e.6363$Le2.43998@nasal.pacific.net.au...
| Quote: | "J" <aware@example.org> wrote in message
news:425A3DC1.C76134F4@execulink.com...
UK news is calling it a device.
The company has had indications that it will be registered as a device, at
least in Asia and Europe.
Yet the 4th pdf is calling it a treatment.
I don't know if 'treatment' has a precise meaning in such a context. If
so,
my guess is that it was used loosely in the announcement.
In any event, way too premature to be announcing it here and especially
alt.support.cancer.
Sorry. I wondered if it was appropriate, but there's quite a few
cross-postings to these groups, and I thought that some people might like
to
know, so they can keep an eye on it.
Your cohorts are too small, not enough details, and not enough time has
passed.
I agree that more trials are needed. However, given the simplicity of the
treatment, the results so far look very promising. The effect of
radionuclides is well known. You just know that if you put a beta emitter
such as P32 close to human cells, it is going to kill them, so there can
be
little doubt that this treatment is going to cause regression of tumours.
A
greater concern is the possibility of leakage of the P32 to the healthy
liver tissue or the rest of the body. Apparently, leakage is the reason
that
other forms of brachytherapy need to use inferior radionuclides such as
yttrium 90 and iodine 125. In the case of porous silicon, the phosphorus
is
well-bound to the silicon, so leakage can only occur if entire particles
of
the porous silicon can move elsewhere. I don't know how likely that is,
but
it is certainly encouraging that it hasn't happened in any of these
patients.
There was a briefing on the 18th of March this year at which the company
said that all eight patients were still alive, but I don't know how likely
that was anyway if they hadn't received the treatment or had received a
different treatment.
Where's the information as to the 12 Singapore patients from last June?
I don't know where you read that there were 12 patients. There was an
announcement on 15 June 2004 that the first two patients had received the
treatment, and I believe they were the first two of the eight for whom we
have the results.
David
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Steph
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 03 May 2005
Posts: 504
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 12:09 pm Post subject:
Re: What is the status of Cancer Treatment and Cure?
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"CII" <x.yss@laposte.net> wrote in message
news:425A4660.3F427AA9@laposte.net...
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Steph wrote:
vmtrinka@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1109347437.309510.242260@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Hello friends,
I have been having this question for a while. And I
would like have a broad view and discussion on this topic to get a good
hold of what exactly is the present status of Cancer Treatment and
Cure.
There are tonnes of publications, tonnes of new innovative drugs and
treatment plans to combat cancer. The National cancer Institute enlists
100's of new chemotherapeutic drugs developed by several private
medical companies.
So, have we actually found a cure for cancer at all? What are these
many drugs doing in the market? What is still lacking in the treatment
game plan that makes us address cancer as an incurable disease?
What is expected of a treatment strategy that can successfully combat
the disease?
I would appreciate if some one could give me a broad view of what is
expected of research scientist at this point to do towards cancer
treatment.
The most recent analysis of treatment for the commonest 22 adult cancers
in
both Australia and the US quotes a 5 year survival figure of 64%.
With all due respect, only people who develop attitudes before they make
any
effort to look at the evidence spout nonsense like "So, have we actually
found a cure for cancer at all? What are these many drugs doing in the
market? What is still lacking in the treatment game plan that makes us
address cancer as an incurable disease?"
What did your last slave die of?
With all due respect, Steph you sound like an idiot. You sound much to me
like
someone who's got an attitude problem him/herself. Why the bullocks not
let
someone ask their questions? I mean, isn't this supposed to be a "place"
where
to find news and to inquire about them? Duh.
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Fine, you answer his silly tendentious questions.
| Quote: | I happen to have questions myself which is the reason for reading around
here in
the first place. If this is what I'm likely to get for simply asking a
question, then I can see that we're in a lot of trouble as a species
against any
kind of illness.
'nuff said.
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Steph
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 03 May 2005
Posts: 504
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Re: Vit B12
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"Ron Koffler" <ron@rkassociates.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:d3dm5g$c32$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
| Quote: | Good morning
Anybody know how important B12 is with asymptomatic myeloma/ Mine is 111
normal range (140 - 900) feel very tired and often lethargic.I am 75 with
heart valve trouble, mild, as well Sometimes wake up feeling I have not
slept. No doc has suggested anything despite seeing this vit. deficiency
in
my blood test report last Nov. I am told it is linked to anaemia and
tiredness. Is not treating this an oversight do you think? Would like
opinion of others and have asked for B12 injections anyway from the
family
doctor by phone today but had no answer yet. Only found out about it
because I ask lab for a copy blood test report recently because of how I
was
feeling.
Mny thanks in advance. Hope to hear from someone as my wife goes in for a
mastectomy today( diagnosed 3 weeks ago) and I need energy the better to
help her when she comes out of hospital as we have no family nearer than
Canada. This is what you would call a double whammy event I guess!!!!!!!
But we shall overcome with a bit of luck, strong wills and oh yes please
God's help.
Bst rgds Ron Koffler
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Tiredness is more likely from the myeloma than b12 deficiency.
A shot of b12 wouldn't do any harm though |
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Steph
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 03 May 2005
Posts: 504
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 12:13 pm Post subject:
Re: CANCER VICTIM? READ NEIL RUZIC'S BOOK NOW, FOR YOU SAKE!
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"Denny" <dennis702717@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2cbb2002.0504161354.76d2dc0d@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | This is the most profound book by a cancer victim (who essentially
cured himself, by self-education) on cancer, and why we can't trust
our doctor to bring us the latest cures from Science.
If you have cancer, my advice is: READ THIS BOOK! Get it from your
library, if you have to. IT MAY SAVE YOUR LIFE. Do this right now.
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My advice is "Get a life"
| Quote: | Thanks, Neil Ruzic, for writing this book -- it is a great service,
imho, to mankind.
Very important cancer book: Neil Ruzic's "Racing For A Cure" - has
latest cures
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Thanks, Neil |
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 1:46 pm Post subject:
Re: Phone Tower EMF and cancer
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Our group is currently fighting a major telco that wants to place 6
mobile
phone towers next door to a primary school and within 500m of 7 others.
According to Australian Federal Law, Telcos are excempt from
town-planning
and local government laws and moreover, do not have to consult with the
community before installing these towers. While C.R.U.S.A.D.E.R (TM) IS
NOT
AGAINST MOBILE PHONE USE, the unhindered proliferation of microwave EMF
is a
major concern due to its unknown long-term biological effects,
including cancer.
The following article may be of interest to some of you. Please help us
by
passing on this information. It may assist us in changing the law in
this
country and bringing sanity back to the industry everywhere!
Thank you
C.R.U.S.A.D.E.R.
Concerned Resident's United Stand Against Detrimental Electromagnetic
Radiation
Sydney, Australia
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Insurers Baulk at Mobile Risk
An April edition of the Observer reported a leading Lloyds underwriter
as
having refused to offer product liability cover to mobile manufacturers
for
damage to user's health. The firm cited the striking resemblance
between the
development of the asbestos and tobacco health issues and the current
mobile
phone problem, both of which will end up costing insurers a fortune.
Recently the giant Insurance group Swiss Re stated in their publication
Electro-Smog A Phantom Risk, that on the basis of today's present
knowledge
alone it must be expected that a EMF claim would succeed. This view has
been
supported by the recent exit from the re-insurance market of
Scandinavia's
biggest insurance group, Skandia. They cite reducing exposure (sic.) to
potential EMF claims as being one of the reasons.
In this regard, corporate providers should guard against complacency in
relying on present day government advice to protect themselves against
any
future potential liabilities. The experiences of the asbestos industry
is a
sobering reminder of this. Although a manufacturer will always be
ultimately
liable for it's product, it is inconceivable that an employer
insistent upon
it's work force using mobiles, would be
totally exempt from involvement in any actions for damages by
employees.
http://pages.britishlibrary.net/orange/report.htm |
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Robert Cohen
medicine forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 28 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 10:14 pm Post subject:
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re: cell tower phenomenon/issue/controversy
suggestion: also post the posting at Use Net news group:
sci.environment
I skim it, and perceive you could get some quality pro & con
responses/opinions--both sides post there
My own humble layman opinion is that we (our societies) have tragically
though consciously made some kind of an, expedient, risky stupid pact
with the microwave devil technology
Perhaps when the damage litigation starts
flowing, ye younger folk will remember this, as I vividly so recall
"cancer sticks" of the 1950s
"Cancer sticks" is what were derisively called cigarettes
Have I stretched an analogy here--am I exaggerating? Perhaps.
I'm a layperson and didn't do well in a statistics course
So tune-in (phone-in) in five, ten,
fifteen, twenty, twenty-five, thirty... years, if your brain cells
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