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J
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: pharma and cancer: who profits Reply with quote

Steph wrote:

Quote:
Zee <zwalanga@yahoo.com> wrote:
Right. Like all that educated common sense that flourishes in clincial
trials of which we now see the evidence: paxil, prozac, vioxx,
celebrex, naproxyn, baycol...

Which pharma pays you to shill here Steph. Which pharma(s) own you,
while the taxpayers of British Columbia think you work for them.
Wouldn't BCMH be interested to see that abusive little post an
oncologist made to a potential oncology patient?


snip>And if she can produce some evidence that the "pharma(s) own" me, I'd
love
to see it.
Wouldn't some nice juicy lawyer love to get his claws into some libel?

(uncrossposted)
No evidence is forthcoming apparently, while she pursues her own agenda on the
other newsgroup..
Try libel and/or slander
Her IP # resolves to Telus Communications, Burnaby.
http://businesscontent.telus.com/webcontent/content/Products/legal/acceptableUsePolicy.jsp

Show full headers of the original (her) post, forward to the abuse address
there.
Also include this url
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43109a0a392ed4be
And/or use that and copy and paste the post into an email (if you can't find
the original again), show the full post first (options - original post) to
show the headers and the newsgroups it's crossposted to.
J
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alan
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: Abandoned by the NHS ! Reply with quote

J

My understanding here is that Bob went for Cryotherapy based on
recommendations made by his 'NHS' GP. The treatment is available on the NHS,
just not in Bob's area & is therefore not 'out of system'. I would think
that if representatives of the Bolton health care team are recommending
options that Bob should consider then they should support his treatment. The
point that I think Bob makes is the fact that a treatment available on the
NHS is not being made available to him because of internal beaurocracy
within the organisation. Bob is having to deal with red tape here which 'in
an ideal world' would not be there, nor should it be there.


Alan.

"J" <leah@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:41F5F81A.6041E7EE@execulink.com...
Quote:
Bob,
Being from Ontario, you know (or should know) very well, that you don't go
getting "out
of the system" treatments without first checking if they'll be covered by
the system. If
they approve yours, they'd have to approve everyone else's and according
to Dr. Walsh's
book "None of these procedures has been tested widely, or evaluated with
long-term PSA
follow-up.". You were told that last May on the prostate cancer
newsgroup.

As far as I know, in Ontario and most of Canada, one has to apply first to
the health
insurance (OHIP) and prove that the "out of system" treatment is better
than what is
currently available and/or the currently available treatment wouldn't be
possible in a
particular situation. (in order to get reimbursed)

The long-term effectiveness of cryotherapy is unknown.

http://www.prostate-cancer.org.uk/learn/prostateCancer/treatment/cryotherapy.asp
Very little long-term data on effectiveness.<end quote

So you had the choices of surgery, RRP, RT, brachytherapy. (the others
seem to soldier
on through any difficulties, why would Bob think he couldn't?)

The treatment(s) you mention are considered experimental (see Current
Research)
http://www.cancerbacup.org.uk/Cancertype/Prostate

I don't see how the NHS abandoned you at all.
J
PS There's at least one failed cryotherapy on the prostate cancer
newsgroup.


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J
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: Abandoned by the NHS ! Reply with quote

alan wrote:

Quote:
My understanding here is that Bob went for Cryotherapy based on
recommendations made by his 'NHS' GP. The treatment is available on the NHS,
just not in Bob's area & is therefore not 'out of system'. I would think
that if representatives of the Bolton health care team are recommending
options that Bob should consider then they should support his treatment. The
point that I think Bob makes is the fact that a treatment available on the
NHS is not being made available to him because of internal beaurocracy
within the organisation. Bob is having to deal with red tape here which 'in
an ideal world' would not be there, nor should it be there.

GP"s or consultants can do what they want. It's Bob's responsibility to find out
ahead of time (in writing) if the NHS will reimburse him.

Here's your reply:
The standard and proven treatments for locally advanced prostate cancer are
hormones, radiotherapy and possibly surgery. The NHS has no obligation to pay for a
novel and unproven treatment which has not been subject to the
appropriate clinical trials. The Canadian health service wouldn't pay for it either.

There are many special treatments available in "4 or 5 NHS hospitals" because
consultants have a special interest in them.
Doesn't make them proven, doesn't make them right, and certainly doesn't make them a
standard of care.

From Steph:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/uk.local.nw-england/msg/4864f5898b1a94fb

Here's the whole thread http://tinyurl.com/4g43z see Steph's replies.
J
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J
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: What would have really helped immediately after diagnosis? Reply with quote

zwalanga@yahoo.com wrote:

Quote:
snip> What needs to be changed about that...

...and how can I do it?

Go read the breast cancer newsgroup. That's where the replies to this
thread are.
J
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Mary Fisher
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: What would have really helped immediately after diagnosis? Reply with quote

<zwalanga@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107885102.704926.226050@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
What a wonderful question! You must be a teacher, or perhaps I should
say; You *are* a teacher. Thank you for asking...

I have had three life-altering illnesses. The word phoenix doesn't
begin to describe it. Thoughout those illnesses (one with which I still
cope, and now, a new one), thoughout illnesses in loved ones with which
I must cope too, the one constant has been action. What is this? What
do we know? What do we *not* know and more importantly, WHY do we not
know? What is good about the information we have? What needs to be
changed about that...

...and how can I do it?

Stop listening to Donald Rumslfeld!.

Mary
Quote:

Zee
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Jerry
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: sigmoid carcinoma Reply with quote

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:43:14 -0500, J wrote:

Quote:
ironjustice@aol.com wrote:

TARGET .. the .. iron ..

---
"Iron excess causes diabetes, renal/kidney disease, mental illness
and especially *free radicals*. THIS is why Jesus espoused *vegetarianism*."
Tom Hennessy, 1997/05/07: rec.food.veg [Now ironjustice@aol.com]

In Tom's quack remedy he states iron causes cancer and must be removed from
the patient with bloodletting. The Austrian faith healer, R.A. Hoffmann, in
his quack remedy The Iron Cancer Cure, the patient must take doses of iron
to cure cancer. Much of alt med is full of similar contradictions.

I wish the alt med lunatics would at least read up before they announce
their miraculous discovery. They might see that someone else has already
exploited that angle. They might also save themselves a lot of
embarrassment.

Jerry
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: What would have really helped immediately after diagnosis? Reply with quote

Who would you rather have as Secretary of Defense?
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ironjustice@aol.com
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: sigmoid carcinoma Reply with quote

I notice you didn't say a whole helluva lot about signoid carcinoma ..

Eh .. 'J' ..

How's that .. feel ..

To BE .. such .. a .. friggin .. loser ..

Eh ..

Heh .. heh ..

Who loves ya.
Tom
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Man Is A Herbivore!
http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: sigmoid carcinoma Reply with quote

http://herbivore.7h.com/cancerpost.html


Who loves ya.
Tom
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Man Is A Herbivore!
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking
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Dmitry
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: Should we remove a left kidney with a tumor if pulmonary lymph nodes are enlarged? Reply with quote

Hello
How to know if the cancer exists, but not by the pulmonary lymph node
size measure? For example, by a blood or lymph test?
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Glen A. RITCHIE
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:34 am    Post subject: Keeping Bob's Memory Alive. Reply with quote

Hello all,

Today - Wednesday, February 23rd, 2005 - would've been the 72nd birthday of
my long-time friend, Bob.

I recently learned of the loss of my long-time friend, Bob, to cicatricial
pemphigoid (a rare disease of the mucous membranes).

I can't honestly sum up in only a matter of words or phrases the kind of man
Bob was, or the deeply personal friendship we had over the course of 14
years.

A lot of memories just seem to spontaneously spring up through an
association with him, whether it be an expression or a joke, a song or a TV
show, a cat or a plant (since he loved pets and gardening), a gift or a
restaurant.

We used to talk about anything and everything, and go everywhere and
nowhere, together.

I also know that he truly loved his family, and that he would drop
everything to be with them or to do things for them.

And photographs of Bob's children and grandchildren, proudly displayed on
the walls of his apartment, met the eyes of every visitor.

I'm surrounded by the good memories and good times we had together.

This would normally be comforting if it were not so distressing to realise
that I will never be able to spend time with him again, as Bob is now gone
from this life forever.

I deeply regret that I didn't maintain direct contact with him over the past
year of his life.

This makes his loss all the more difficult to bear, because I didn't even
know that he had become so seriously ill, and consequently I didn't get a
chance to visit him or to take care of him like he did for me when I was
sick, let alone to say goodbye.

As well, since no one in my family receives The Ottawa Citizen, no one saw
his obituary and hence I wasn't informed that he had passed away.

It was my understanding that Bob was given eight months to live after
Christmas 2003.

This would seem to fit, as his replies to my greeting cards for Christmas
2003 and for his birthday in February 2004 were terse, as though he was
pushing me away.

I can completely understand his reasons for not wanting to let me know he
was sick.

After all, he was the type of man who preferred to be needed than to be
needy.

Additionally, he had developed diabetes and high-blood pressure, secondary
to cicatricial pemphigoid, and it's possible the intense emotions of a final
farewell might've affected his health adversely.

I learned of Bob's passing the night before I moved, October 14th, 2004.

I had been attempting to reach Bob by e-mail and phone, and I found it
strange that my e-mails hadn't been received and that his line had been
disconnected.

Although I still had some last-minute details to take care of the night
before I moved, I decided to investigate the situation, as I knew it would
plague my mind not knowing as much as knowing.

So, I decided to get into my car and drive out to Bob's place.

When I arrived there shortly after 21:00, I couldn't help but notice that
the lights were all out in his basement apartment, and a tree that had been
cut down was obstructing the path to his door.

This is when I knew something was terribly wrong, because Bob used to go to
bed every night at 22:30 after watching "Seinfeld", and I couldn't see him
letting a fallen tree lie in the way of his apartment for very long.

With a great sense of dread, I knocked on the door to his son Kevin and
daughter-in-law April's place (Bob lived in the basement apartment of their
triplex), as it didn't seem that the doorbell to Bob's apartment was
connected.

Kevin informed me at the door that Bob had passed away on July 28th, 2004,
and he invited me in because it was obvious that I was (and still am) in
such a state of shock.

I didn't get any sleep whatsoever that night or much the following nights,
as this was the worst news that I ever could have possibly received.

I've lost relatives and friends before, yet none of these losses has ever
had the same devastating impact as this.

At the very least, I was hoping to share the good news of my move with Bob.

Now I'll never have that chance.

Bob survived many tragedies in his life, such as the loss of both his
parents when he was barely into his teens, the loss of his nephew and family
home in a fire, as well as the loss of his son David in a motorcycle
accident; and like so many other things about him, I just took it for
granted that somehow he'd always be around.

In this age of euthanasia, Bob was exceptionally courageous to continue
facing each new day, despite the fact that he fully knew he would be
suffering from a constellation of serious medical conditions, which would
ultimately result in his mortality.

I can't even begin to imagine how extremely difficult it was for Kevin and
April to see his health deteriorate before their very eyes, and to act as
Nurses to Bob with his various afflictions for months, when most people
their age would simply spare themselves the 'inconvenience' and put him in a
hospice.

This action in itself shows what kind of man Bob was, and at the same time
shows what kind of people his son and daughter-in-law are, ensuring that he
received the personal care he needed by none other than the very ones he
loved, right till the end.

No one else I've met before or since has been as generous, hospitable or
loyal as Bob was.

He helped me in so many ways, and I learned so many things from him.

Needless to say, I miss him dearly; he was without a doubt the best friend
I've ever had.

I would give anything in the world to have Bob back, alive and well; to see
him, talk with him, and to be with him, even just to watch TV.

Above all else, I want to keep his memory alive, yet respect his wishes at
the same time.

In this regard, his family has requested that friends honour Bob's memory
through a fund dedicated in his name.

Although this fund is designed to further general cancer research, the donor
can have their contribution designated specifically for cicatricial
pemphigoid, since no work is presently being done on this disease in Ottawa
(according to Dr. Michael MCBURNEY of the Ottawa Regional Cancer Centre).

This is a wonderful way to both honour a loved one and to help fight this
terrible disease.

No one else should ever again have to suffer from this disease as Bob did.

Gifts can be made to:

Account # 82799
In Memoriam Programme
Ottawa Regional Cancer Centre Foundation
503 Smyth Road
Ottawa, Ontario
K1H 1C4
Tel: (613) 247-3527
Fax: (613)247-3526

If you would like to make a donation online, please click here:

http://www.orccfoundation.ca

Even if you didn't know him, we all know someone in our life who has been
affected by cancer.

The fund benefits everyone, either way.

Best regards.

Sincerely,

Glen A. RITCHIE

P.S.: Please contact me at
glenaritchie at sympatico dot ca
if you should require Bob's full name as well as his obituary.


Please remember to visit
http://www.thehungersite.org
to make your free daily donation
of food to the needy.
This programme is paid for by
clicking on the advertisers listed,
with the food being delivered by
a highly reputable agency, the
United Nations.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: Where Zocor and generics cheap ? Reply with quote

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Where to buy at the lowest price?

Hi,

I have found this excellent:

http://www.anagen.net/generics.htm

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: The Guaranteed treatment for Leukorrhea (Leucorreah) Reply with quote

gureladera <newjersylove24@hotmail.com> wrote:

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it helps in maintaining general vitality in females

http://www.herbaalex.com/leukoren.htm

You should use it as a gargle, might help your logorrhea, or to be more
precise, your coprorhea.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: What would have really helped immediately after diagnosis? Reply with quote

What a wonderful question! You must be a teacher, or perhaps I should
say; You *are* a teacher. Thank you for asking...

I have had three life-altering illnesses. The word phoenix doesn't
begin to describe it. Thoughout those illnesses (one with which I still
cope, and now, a new one), thoughout illnesses in loved ones with which
I must cope too, the one constant has been action. What is this? What
do we know? What do we *not* know and more importantly, WHY do we not
know? What is good about the information we have? What needs to be
changed about that...

....and how can I do it?

Zee




DaviesUK wrote:
Quote:
What would have really helped immediately after diagnosis?

I found this group extremely helpful and supporting 3 years ago when
I had a
recurrence of breast cancer, and now I'm hoping to put together a
piece on what
those being treated for cancer would like as support and help from
the people
around them.

I feel that friends and family often would like to help but don't
know what to
do, what would *really* be appreciated. I've looked at the FAQ
(thanks, Tim)
and I'd like any other suggestions.

Steph

Please remove -NO-SPAM from the address to reply :-)

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