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Neil Brooks
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LarryDoc <larrybic@yahoo.remove.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I get a kick out of those people who go out and spend hundreds and
hundreds of dollars on a new lens for their camera, that they might use
a few time a year, and then head over to the thrift shop for
reading/computer glasses that they use for hours every single day.
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Yeah, but you should see how beautifully my pictures come out.
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Scott Seidman
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LarryDoc <larrybic@yahoo.remove.com> wrote in news:larrybic-
7464A1.11364006052005@news.verizon.net:
| Quote: | I get a kick out of those people who go out and spend hundreds and
hundreds of dollars on a new lens for their camera, that they might use
a few time a year, and then head over to the thrift shop for
reading/computer glasses that they use for hours every single day.
--Larry
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What about people that spend $200 on a pair of sneakers, but don't think an
optometrist visit is worth half that?
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Mike Tyner
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 6:44 pm Post subject:
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"Scott Seidman" <namdiesttocs@mindspring.com> wrote
| Quote: | What about people that spend $200 on a pair of sneakers, but don't think
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optometrist visit is worth half that?
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Or a $75 nail job? $150 for hair?
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Repeating Rifle
medicine forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 04 May 2005
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in article sj7n71l0uskojr52etvpdgmd05kblm24mi@4ax.com, Robert Martellaro at
robopt@nospam.com wrote on 5/6/05 10:12 AM:
| Quote: | On Thu, 05 May 2005 22:40:14 GMT, Repeating Rifle <salmonegg@sbcglobal.net
wrote:
I cannot overemphasize my satisfaction with the 99¢ store or a swap meet
where I bought several in different strenghts at about a dollar each. I am
using such a pair at my computer now.
Bill
Bill,
Compared to what? They are certainly better than no glasses at all. My clients
tell me that coated Rx multifocal lenses are vastly superior in all respects
(except cost-about $200 with frame). If all you use them for is looking up a
phone number or reading a menu in the restaurant then go cheap and save a few
bucks. If your at a desk eight hours a day or if you are an avid reader you
will
wonder why you didn't upgrade to quality optics heretofore.
Robert
I have used bifocals designed for viewing a computer monitor. They were just |
fine. I recently had cataract surgery and I was not going to spend $200
before my eyes settled. My 99¢ solution is adequate for me. As my cataract
surgery stablized. I just made a minor change from +1.75 to +1.50 at a cost
of 99¢ plus sales tax.
Earlier, I also had trouble getting optometrists or ophthalmologists to
modify my prescription to what I wanted. They knew better. Usually, single
vision was suggested. I finally went to an ophthalmologist who did not sell
glasses. He gave me a prescription just like what I wanted. He only
suggested that the optician recenter the glasses for the distance to the
screen. Those glasses worked out very well indeed. Unfortunately for me,
that ophthalmologist started doing refractive surgery exclusively.
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Repeating Rifle
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 7:02 pm Post subject:
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in article larrybic-7464A1.11364006052005@news.verizon.net, LarryDoc at
larrybic@yahoo.remove.com wrote on 5/6/05 11:36 AM:
| Quote: | I get a kick out of those people who go out and spend hundreds and
hundreds of dollars on a new lens for their camera, that they might use
a few time a year, and then head over to the thrift shop for
reading/computer glasses that they use for hours every single day.
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I understand optics. I have never spent extra on a camera lens if you
exclude an afocal telephoto adapter.
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The Real Bev
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Joined: 30 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 10:48 pm Post subject:
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Robert Martellaro wrote:
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Repeating Rifle <salmonegg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I cannot overemphasize my satisfaction with the 99¢ store or a swap meet
where I bought several in different strenghts at about a dollar each. I am
using such a pair at my computer now.
Compared to what? They are certainly better than no glasses at all. My clients
tell me that coated Rx multifocal lenses are vastly superior in all respects
(except cost-about $200 with frame). If all you use them for is looking up a
phone number or reading a menu in the restaurant then go cheap and save a few
bucks. If your at a desk eight hours a day or if you are an avid reader you will
wonder why you didn't upgrade to quality optics heretofore.
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I spend at least 8 hours a day at the computer or reading. When I got my
contacts I started buying 99-cent readers. While some of the frames have
needed a whole lot of personalization with a file, the lenses have always been
first rate. I've also acquired a number of more expensive ($9-$20) readers at
yard sales and the only difference is nicer frames.
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Cheers, Bev
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The Real Bev
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 30 Apr 2005
Posts: 356
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Repeating Rifle wrote:
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larrybic@yahoo.remove.com wrote on 5/6/05 11:36 AM:
I get a kick out of those people who go out and spend hundreds and
hundreds of dollars on a new lens for their camera, that they might use
a few time a year, and then head over to the thrift shop for
reading/computer glasses that they use for hours every single day.
I understand optics. I have never spent extra on a camera lens if you
exclude an afocal telephoto adapter.
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When I needed a longer lens for my SLR I did a lot of shopping, looking for
the best price. Same when I bought my cameras. Same with everything else. I
can think of some good reasons to replace my 4-year-old Nikon CP-800, but "it
ain't broke yet" trumps them all.
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Cheers,
Bev
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Dr. Leukoma
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 11:40 pm Post subject:
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Companies spend millions developing new products to enhance the quality
of life for people who can afford it. People usually purchase the best
they can afford if they can differentiate the quality. Problem is,
they cannot differentiate quality in this industry because of the
tendency of retailers to sell lower quality at higher mark-ups. To me,
nothing short of clear, comfortable vision is satisfactory. I admit
that I am addicted to it, just like I am to high fidelity music and
good food. It enhances my life. There is a tremendous service
component to getting it done right.
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Repeating Rifle
medicine forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 04 May 2005
Posts: 141
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in article 1115430057.044657.119540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, Dr.
Leukoma at drg@leukoma.com wrote on 5/6/05 6:40 PM:
| Quote: | Companies spend millions developing new products to enhance the quality
of life for people who can afford it. People usually purchase the best
they can afford if they can differentiate the quality. Problem is,
they cannot differentiate quality in this industry because of the
tendency of retailers to sell lower quality at higher mark-ups. To me,
nothing short of clear, comfortable vision is satisfactory. I admit
that I am addicted to it, just like I am to high fidelity music and
good food. It enhances my life. There is a tremendous service
component to getting it done right.
DrG
It took me a long time to realize that the key to enjoying music, at least |
classical music, was the performance. One of my favorite recordings is a 10
inch LP of tango music. Even with all the snaps, pops, and wows, it is the
best record of that kind that I ever heard. I found it many years ago in an
88¢ bin at a drug store.
Since then, as my hearing has deteriorated, especially for high notes, I am
glad to have leared that lesson.
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Dr. Leukoma
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"six-eyes Bill"?
How about "dollar Bill"?
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Repeating Rifle
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Robert Martellaro
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On Fri, 06 May 2005 17:48:13 -0700, The Real Bev <bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Robert Martellaro wrote:
Repeating Rifle <salmonegg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I cannot overemphasize my satisfaction with the 99¢ store or a swap meet
where I bought several in different strenghts at about a dollar each. I am
using such a pair at my computer now.
Compared to what? They are certainly better than no glasses at all. My clients
tell me that coated Rx multifocal lenses are vastly superior in all respects
(except cost-about $200 with frame). If all you use them for is looking up a
phone number or reading a menu in the restaurant then go cheap and save a few
bucks. If your at a desk eight hours a day or if you are an avid reader you will
wonder why you didn't upgrade to quality optics heretofore.
I spend at least 8 hours a day at the computer or reading. When I got my
contacts I started buying 99-cent readers. While some of the frames have
needed a whole lot of personalization with a file, the lenses have always been
first rate. I've also acquired a number of more expensive ($9-$20) readers at
yard sales and the only difference is nicer frames.
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Bev,
I ask again, compared to what? I've inspected many of the OTC readers and the
lenses are of variable quality but never "first rate". Even high quality Rx
lenses will cause fatigue and other problems when positioned inaccurately.
For most folks with advanced presbyopia single vision computer glasses just
don't provide enough depth of field i.e. the ability to see comfortably at
multiple distances that are common with desktop monitors and work stations.
I know that you wear Cls and that the Rx is very astigmatic. At your next eye
exam ask the doctor to write an "over refraction" Rx for glasses over the CLs as
well as a regular Rx. Post it here and we'll see how much you'll benefit from an
Rx over the CLs. Even if the distance Rx is plano sph coated multifocal lenses
will provide much more comfort and function and seems to be a reasonable choice
with the amount of time that you spend performing close tasks.
Regards
Robert Martellaro
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Optician/Owner
Roberts Optical
robopt@execpc.com
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The Real Bev
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Robert Martellaro wrote:
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On Fri, 06 May 2005 17:48:13 -0700, The Real Bev <bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Robert Martellaro wrote:
Repeating Rifle <salmonegg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I cannot overemphasize my satisfaction with the 99¢ store or a swap meet
where I bought several in different strenghts at about a dollar each. I am
using such a pair at my computer now.
Compared to what? They are certainly better than no glasses at all. My clients
tell me that coated Rx multifocal lenses are vastly superior in all respects
(except cost-about $200 with frame). If all you use them for is looking up a
phone number or reading a menu in the restaurant then go cheap and save a few
bucks. If your at a desk eight hours a day or if you are an avid reader you will
wonder why you didn't upgrade to quality optics heretofore.
I spend at least 8 hours a day at the computer or reading. When I got my
contacts I started buying 99-cent readers. While some of the frames have
needed a whole lot of personalization with a file, the lenses have always been
first rate. I've also acquired a number of more expensive ($9-$20) readers at
yard sales and the only difference is nicer frames.
Bev,
I ask again, compared to what? I've inspected many of the OTC readers and the
lenses are of variable quality but never "first rate". Even high quality Rx
lenses will cause fatigue and other problems when positioned inaccurately.
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I guess that I'm just lucky, then. No fatigue, no headache, and I really
don't have a clue what eyestrain might be. My prescription glasses provide
MUCH better vision than my contacts, but I figure after a couple of dozen
trials this is the best I can get.
| Quote: | For most folks with advanced presbyopia single vision computer glasses just
don't provide enough depth of field i.e. the ability to see comfortably at
multiple distances that are common with desktop monitors and work stations.
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With my 2.25 readers I can read 1/16" letters on my computer at distances
between 7 inches and 24 inches, with sharpest vision at 15 inches. I choose
to cram as much text on a screen as I can, the limiting factor being my chosen
distance from the monitor. Clarity at further distances is much better with
contacts+readers than with my newly-prescribed reading glasses. My contacts
provide 20/40 vision in my right eye, much worse in my left.
| Quote: | I know that you wear Cls and that the Rx is very astigmatic. At your next eye
exam ask the doctor to write an "over refraction" Rx for glasses over the CLs as
well as a regular Rx. Post it here and we'll see how much you'll benefit from an
Rx over the CLs.
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With all due respect, I'm not sure I can even get decent contacts. His first
guess was Biomedics 55 torics, which move easily and stay stuck a bit too long
before returning to position. These are 2-week lenses for the same price as
the Cooper Frequency 55 torics, 1-month lenses. Bummer. I've been rotating
the 3 pair of good Coopers for the last year, which is definitely rotten
practice, but the doc looked at the oldest ones under the microscope and
pronounced them clean, which surprised him.
However, I just found out that Cooper owns Biomedics, and I think that
whatever the normal quality of their products, their customer support is piss
poor and I won't buy any of their products without an iron-clad replacement
guarantee for individual lenses that are just wrong.
| Quote: | Even if the distance Rx is plano sph coated multifocal lenses
will provide much more comfort and function and seems to be a reasonable choice
with the amount of time that you spend performing close tasks.
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I got prescription readers because I couldn't stand moving my head around to
find the proper focus point with bifocals -- having an even smaller area to
aim at doesn't seem feasible.
--
Cheers,
Bev
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LarryDoc
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Customizing near vision correction is an important part of my practice.
Robert clearly knows that tweeking the optics for optimal range of
vision for a given near point task is key to vision comfort. And he
knows how to do that. Sadly, many doctors and opticians don't spend the
time (eg: listen to patient's needs) to do the right thing.
Some people using incorrect eyeglasses don't experience eye strain
issues and yet strangely high levels of strain with the slightest
optical imbalance. And there so many factors that can cause asthenopia
(fancy word means: it don't feel good).
I have patients measure their near point needs, and write it down. In
office, I have them sit down in front of my computer, a textbook, a
paperback book, a newspaper sprawled out on a desk, needlepoint
----whatever it is they need spectacles for. I calculate and then demo
lenses that might work for them. Over contacts, bifocals, multifocal
PALs. I then measure the ocular-motor effect of the lenses: do they make
the eyes turn in or out, up or down---and then finalize an optical
correction that will work, in a frame that is properly fit and adjusted
for the correct viewing angle.
Sounds complicated? It's not, nor is it very time consuming, especially
considering the resultant eyeglasses will most surely be correct and the
patient will be pleased and not needing further office time, other than
to say "thanks!".
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Jim T.
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You may recall that I started this thread by looking for a temporary
solution while waiting to be fitted with a permanent prescription
after dual cataract surgery.
Heres what I've done and consider the matter closed - at least for me.
I have worn trifocals for many years and intend getting them when the
time comes. I refuse to be constantly changing glasses. Besides, I
look better with glasses on!
I had some "drug store" reading glasses that are 2.25 and they work
great now for reading. I found a pair of 1.50 power at Target for
$7.99 and they are terrific for use at the computer. This was based on
information that I got in this thread. Thanks.
Good luck to those who wish to continue the debate.
On Mon, 09 May 2005 13:51:19 -0500, Robert Martellaro
<robopt@nospam.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 06 May 2005 17:48:13 -0700, The Real Bev <bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Robert Martellaro wrote:
Repeating Rifle <salmonegg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I cannot overemphasize my satisfaction with the 99¢ store or a swap meet
where I bought several in different strenghts at about a dollar each. I am
using such a pair at my computer now.
Compared to what? They are certainly better than no glasses at all. My clients
tell me that coated Rx multifocal lenses are vastly superior in all respects
(except cost-about $200 with frame). If all you use them for is looking up a
phone number or reading a menu in the restaurant then go cheap and save a few
bucks. If your at a desk eight hours a day or if you are an avid reader you will
wonder why you didn't upgrade to quality optics heretofore.
I spend at least 8 hours a day at the computer or reading. When I got my
contacts I started buying 99-cent readers. While some of the frames have
needed a whole lot of personalization with a file, the lenses have always been
first rate. I've also acquired a number of more expensive ($9-$20) readers at
yard sales and the only difference is nicer frames.
Bev,
I ask again, compared to what? I've inspected many of the OTC readers and the
lenses are of variable quality but never "first rate". Even high quality Rx
lenses will cause fatigue and other problems when positioned inaccurately.
For most folks with advanced presbyopia single vision computer glasses just
don't provide enough depth of field i.e. the ability to see comfortably at
multiple distances that are common with desktop monitors and work stations.
I know that you wear Cls and that the Rx is very astigmatic. At your next eye
exam ask the doctor to write an "over refraction" Rx for glasses over the CLs as
well as a regular Rx. Post it here and we'll see how much you'll benefit from an
Rx over the CLs. Even if the distance Rx is plano sph coated multifocal lenses
will provide much more comfort and function and seems to be a reasonable choice
with the amount of time that you spend performing close tasks.
Regards
Robert Martellaro
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Optician/Owner
Roberts Optical
robopt@execpc.com
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"An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field."
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