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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:42 am Post subject:
The Age of Autism: The Amish anomaly By Dan Olmsted
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http://www.whale.to/vaccine/olmsted.html
Where are the autistic Amish? Here in Lancaster County, heart of
Pennsylvania Dutch country, there should be well over 100 with some form of
the disorder.
I have come here to find them, but so far my mission has failed, and the
very few I have identified raise some very interesting questions about some
widely held views on autism.
The mainstream scientific consensus says autism is a complex genetic
disorder, one that has been around for millennia at roughly the same
prevalence. That prevalence is now considered to be 1 in every 166 children
born in the United States.
Applying that model to Lancaster County, there ought to be 130 Amish men,
women and children here with Autism Spectrum Disorder.
Well over 100, in rough terms.
Typically, half would harbor milder variants such as Asperger's Disorder or
the catch-all Pervasive Development Disorder, Not Otherwise Specified --
PDD-NOS for short.
So let's drop those from our calculation, even though "mild" is a relative
term when it comes to autism.
That means upwards of 50 Amish people of all ages should be living in
Lancaster County with full-syndrome autism, the "classic autism" first
described in 1943 by child psychiatrist Leo Kanner at Johns Hopkins
University. The full-syndrome disorder is hard to miss, characterized by
"markedly abnormal or impaired development in social interaction and
communication and a markedly restricted repertoire of activities and
interests," according to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental
Disorders.
Why bother looking for them among the Amish? Because they could hold clues
to the cause of autism.
The first half-dozen articles in this ongoing series on the roots and rise
of autism examined the initial studies and early accounts of the disorder,
first identified by Kanner among 11 U.S. children born starting in 1931.
Kanner wrote that his 1938 encounter with a child from Mississippi,
identified as Donald T., "made me aware of a behavior pattern not known to
me or anyone else theretofore." Kanner literally wrote the book on "Child
Psychiatry," published in 1934.
If Kanner was correct -- if autism was new and increasingly prevalent --
something must have happened in the 1930s to trigger those first autistic
cases. Genetic disorders do not begin suddenly or increase dramatically in
prevalence in a short period of time.
That is why it is worth looking for autistic Amish -- to test reasoning
against reality. Largely cut off for hundreds of years from American culture
and scientific progress, the Amish might have had less exposure to some new
factor triggering autism in the rest of population.
Surprising, but no one seems to have looked.
Of course, the Amish world is insular by nature; finding a small subset of
Amish is a challenge by definition. Many Amish, particularly Old Order, ride
horse-and-buggies, eschew electricity, do not attend public school, will not
pose for pictures and do not chat casually with the "English," as they
warily call the non-Amish.
Still, some Amish today interact with the outside world in many ways. Some
drive, use phones, see doctors and send out Christmas cards with family
photos. They all still refer to themselves as "Plain," but the definition of
that word varies quite a bit.
So far, from sources inside and outside the Amish community, I have
identified three Amish residents of Lancaster County who apparently have
full-syndrome autism, all of them children.
A local woman told me there is one classroom with about 30 "special-needs"
Amish children. In that classroom, there is one autistic Amish child.
Another autistic Amish child does not go to school.
The third is that woman's pre-school-age daughter.
If there were more, she said, she would know it.
What I learned about those children is the subject of the next column.
PART 2: The Age of Autism: Julia
UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL
Leola, PA, Apr. 19 (UPI) -- Part 2 of 2.
Three-year old Julia is napping when I arrive at the spare, neat, cheerful
house on Musser School Road near the town of Leola in Lancaster County.
She is the reason I have driven through the budding countryside on this
perfect spring day, but I really do not need to meet her.
In the last column, I wrote about trying to find autistic Amish people here
in the heart of Pennsylvania Dutch country, and noted there should be dozens
of them -- if autism occurs at the same prevalence as the rest of the United
States.
So far, there is evidence of only three, all of them children, the oldest
age 9 or 10. Julia is one of them. I found out about her through a
pediatrician in Richmond, Va., Dr. Mary Megson. I had been asking around for
quite some time about autism and the Amish, and she provided the first
direct link.
Megson said she would give my name to this child's mother, who could call if
she chose. A few days later the phone rang. It was Stacey-jean Inion, an
Amish-Mennonite woman. She, her husband Brent and their four children live
simply, but they do drive a vehicle and have a telephone. After a few
pleasantries, I told her about my trying to find autistic Amish.
Here is what she said, verbatim:
"Unfortunately our autistic daughter -- who's doing very well, she's been
diagnosed with very, very severe autism -- is adopted from China, and so she
would have had all her vaccines in China before we got her, and then she had
most of her vaccines given to her in the United States before we got her.
"So we're probably not the pure case you're looking for."
Maybe not, but it was stunning that Julia Inion, the first autistic Amish
person I could find, turned out to be adopted -- from another country, no
less. It also was surprising that Stacey-jean launched unbidden into
vaccines, because the Amish have a religious exemption from vaccination and
presumably would not have given it much thought.
She said a minority of Amish families do, in fact, vaccinate their children
these days, partly at the urging of public health officials.
"Almost every Amish family I know has had somebody from the health
department knock on our door and try to convince us to get vaccines for our
children," she said. "The younger Amish more and more are getting vaccines.
It's a minority of children who vaccinate, but that is changing now."
Did she know of any other autistic Amish? Two more children, she said.
"One of them, we're very certain it was a vaccine reaction, even though the
government would not agree with that."
Federal health officials have said there is no association between
vaccinations and autism or learning disabilities.
"The other one I'm not sure if this child was vaccinated or not," she added.
During my visit to their home, I asked Stacey-jean to explain why she
attributed the first case to vaccines.
"There's one family that we know, their daughter had a vaccine reaction and
is now autistic. She was walking and functioning and a happy bright child,
and 24 hours after she had her vaccine, her legs went limp and she had a
typical high-pitched scream. They called the doctor and the doctor said it
was fine -- a lot of high-pitched screaming goes along with it.
"She completely quit speaking," Stacey-jean said. "She completely quit
making eye contact with people. She went in her own world."
This happened, Stacey-jean said, at "something like 15 months." The child is
now about 8.
For similar reasons, Julia Inion's Chinese background is intriguing. China,
India and Indonesia are among countries moving quickly to mass-vaccination
programs. In some vaccines, they use a mercury-based preservative called
thimerosal that keeps multiple-dose vials from becoming contaminated by
repeated needle sticks.
Thimerosal was phased out of U.S. vaccines starting in 1999, after health
officials became concerned about the amount of mercury infants and children
were receiving. The officials said they simply were erring on the side of
caution, and that all evidence favors rejection of any link between Autism
Spectrum Disorders and thimerosal, or vaccines themselves.
Julia's vaccinations in China -- all given in one day at about age 15
months -- may well have contained thimerosal; the United States had stopped
using it by the time she was born, but other countries with millions to
vaccinate had not.
Stacey-jean said photographs of Julia taken in China before she was
vaccinated showed a smiling alert child looking squarely at the camera. Her
original adoptive family in the United States, overwhelmed trying to cope
with an autistic child, gave Julia up for re-adoption. The Inions took her
in knowing her diagnosis of severe autism.
I tried hard -- and am still trying -- to find people who know about other
autistic Amish. Of the local health and social service agency personnel in
Lancaster, some said they dealt with Amish people with disabilities, such as
mental retardation, but none recalled seeing an autistic Amish.
Still, I could be trapped in a feedback loop: The Amish I am likeliest to
know about -- because they have the most contact with the outside world --
also are likeliest to adopt a special-needs child such as Julia from outside
the community, and likeliest to have their children vaccinated.
Another qualifier: The Inions are converts to the Amish-Mennonite religion
(Brent is an Asian-American). They simply might not know about any number of
autistic Amish sheltered quietly with their families for decades.
It also is possible the isolated Amish gene pool might confer some kind of
immunity to autism -- which might be a useful topic for research.
Whatever the case, Stacey-jean thinks the autistic Amish are nowhere to be
found.
"It is so much more rare among our people," she said. "My husband just said
last week that so far we've never met a family that lives a healthy
lifestyle and does not vaccinate their children that has an autistic child.
We haven't come across one yet."
"Everywhere I go (outside the Amish community) I find children who are
autistic, just because I have an autistic daughter -- in the grocery store,
in the park, wherever I go. In the Amish community, I simply don't find
that."
UPI researcher Kyle Pearson contributed to this article.
This ongoing series on the roots and rise of autism aims to be interactive
with readers and welcomes comment, criticism and suggestions. E-mail:
dolmsted@upi.com |
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:13 am Post subject:
Re: The Age of Autism: The Amish anomaly By Dan Olmsted
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David Wright wrote:
| Quote: | In article <1119738891.932328.252170@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
clintonz@prodigy.net> wrote:
It's pretty difficult to avoid a diagnosis of autism in my opinion.
And what is your opinion worth? What do you even KNOW about the
subject?
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Common sense. Look at the data. There is an increase in the 80's
90's. Did people suddenly become better at diagnosing autism?
Also rates of diagnoses in other categories have remained
the same. if this was a case of diagnosis shifting you would
expect to see diagnosis in some categories go down.
One of my friends does treatment programs for autistic
| Quote: | children and she says that a lot of pediatricians are clueless
about autism. But of course you know more than she does...
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And how much has spending increased on special needs students
say in California? Based on what I've read they can't keep up
with the increasing number of cases, whatever diagnoses you want
to use. |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:06 am Post subject:
Re: The Age of Autism: The Amish anomaly By Dan Olmsted
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In article <1119786510.121937.323540@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
<clintonz@prodigy.net> wrote:
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David Wright wrote:
In article <1119730996.931801.196660@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
clintonz@prodigy.net> wrote:
COMMENT:
Autism is not diagnosed just after birth. It usually is diagnosed at
around age 2 at the earliest.
my point is that some subset of reactions to vaccines or
form of early onset autism IIRC that occured right after birth also has
increased.
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You don't know that. Nobody knows that.
| Quote: | And, in fact, people DO argue that the incidence of autism is not
skyrocketing. It's not clear that it is. The diagnostic criteria
have changed and expanded, people are looking harder for it, and
diagnoses of "mental retardation" have declined as diagnoses of autism
have increased.
And even the Denmark study which was posted yesterday to disprove the
thimersol link shows an upward trend of autism. In 1970 the incidence
was less that 1 in 10,000, now it's over 5 times.
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And again, we don't know how much of that is due to changing
diagnoses, and to greater awareness of autism in general.
| Quote: | Now if a lot of the increase is due to change in diagnoses as pointed
out in a critique of the study, how do you know that autism is really
increasing even after removal of thimersol.
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You can't have it both ways. But it's certainly not lessening,
despite the removal of thimerosal, right?
| Quote: | I suppose if the rate simply increases by 10 to 1 in 10 people
will be claiming that this is normal too.
The worst incidence claims I've seen are 1 in 166, not 1 in 100, and
even the 166 is dubious.
But I understand that boys are much more likely to get autism
than girls. If you look at the incidence that way it probably
is 1 in 100 in some regions.
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Please don't give me "probably." Either give me numbers, or give me
the favor of saying nothing at all. You have no basis for assigning
probabilities.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"I believe The Battle of the Network Stars should be fought with guns."
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:21 pm Post subject:
Re: The Age of Autism: The Amish anomaly By Dan Olmsted
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Kindly don't cite "common sense." There's nothing common about it,
and you need data before "common sense" can even come into play.
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And yet nothing is more speculative and unscientific than blaming
changes in diagnoses without any real data to back that up. Can you
show the proof that there was suddenly a 700% increase in awareness of
autism during the mid 1980's?
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Also rates of diagnoses in other categories have remained
the same. if this was a case of diagnosis shifting you would
expect to see diagnosis in some categories go down.
They've remained the same? Your source for this?
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I read this somewhere recently. If i have time I will look
for it. Unfortuately I do not record every article I read so
I can quote it later. Surely, you must be aware of recent
studies that reach this conclusion and also report that
the incidence of autism is increasing. |
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:04 am Post subject:
Re: The Age of Autism: The Amish anomaly By Dan Olmsted
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"mike" <xyz@xyz.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.06.28.03.37.03.248630@xyz.com...
| Quote: | On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 08:42:14 +0000, john wrote:
something must have happened in the 1930s to trigger those first autistic
cases. Genetic disorders do not begin suddenly or increase dramatically
in
prevalence in a short period of time.
Yes, and we know exactly what happened: thimerosal was added to
vaccines in 1931 (see Kennedy Jr.'s article in Salon). Apparently
the author did not know it, otherwise he would mention it.
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There were cases of autism much earlier than the 1930's... it is just that
it was not called that. Also, why should anyone think a lawyer would be any
better at writing about medical science than a journalist (who could not
even be bothered to check into the copious amounts of research done on Amish
genetics,
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/genetics/2005-06-27-amish-genetics_x.htm )
.... More at:
http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2005/06/thimerosal_upda.html and
http://oracknows.blogspot.com/2005/06/mercury-and-autism-more-huffington.html |
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