The issue with grains, some clarifications?

Guest

So, came back from the doctor today. My triglycerides were 405 and
total cholesteral were 228.
The doctor recommended "Sugar Busters" diet, but she also mentioned
some things in particular to avoid, like oils (of course), MSG, fat,
starch, and (and this is what my post is about) most anything that's a
seed, such as corn, peas, nuts, wheat and grains.

I looked a little at "Sugar Busters" and I see that it recommends whole
grains.

Now, grains (like wheat which she mentioned specifically) vs. whole
grains? What's the difference?
Can I get some recommendations on what that's about?

Thanks!
Liam

TC · medicine forum Guru Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 1814

You may be interested in this article.

http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/wheatyindiscretions.html

It goes into great detail about grains, specifically wheat.

TC

n...@celticbear.com wrote:

Guest

The point of grains for a diabetic is to use those which produce the least
rise in post meal blood glucose. This is also the case of any food with
substantial amounts of carbohydrates. Some grains are thought to assist
in some factors of diabetes and the research clearly shows that
consumption of whole grains has a protective effect against developing
diabetes. The fiber in whole grains is beneficial in that role and to a
diabetic. Contrary to your doctor's advice, nuts are great for several
reasons for a diabetic but keeping an eye on total amount because of the
high oil content. The latter only because of all forms of fat having
twice the calories of carbs and proteins. The oil of nuts is a very good
choice because it is mostly mono and multi unsaturate forms of fat.
Leaving aside all the detail, whole rye based foods are a good choice for
diabetics and confirming this on labels is good because it is often in
combination with other flours. The final and best answer to your concern
is to test 2 hours after eating foods containing whole grains and anything
else to see what and in what amount causes your number to exceed 140.
Adjust accordingly

Juhana Harju · medicine forum Guru Joined: 06 May 2005 Posts: 1056

news@celticbear.com wrote:
:: So, came back from the doctor today. My triglycerides were 405 and
:: total cholesteral were 228.
:: The doctor recommended "Sugar Busters" diet, but she also mentioned
:: some things in particular to avoid, like oils (of course), MSG, fat,
:: starch, and (and this is what my post is about) most anything that's
:: a seed, such as corn, peas, nuts, wheat and grains.
::
:: I looked a little at "Sugar Busters" and I see that it recommends
:: whole grains.
::
:: Now, grains (like wheat which she mentioned specifically) vs. whole
:: grains? What's the difference?
:: Can I get some recommendations on what that's about?

Nuts are actually very healthy and they decrease cholesterol and lower heart
disease risk considerably. When triglyserides are high refined grains and
other high glycemic index foods should be avoided. Eating some whole grains
is OK. In general people with high triglyserides should eat small meals,
several times a day and try to keep their blood glucose in control by diet.
Fish oils help to reduce triglyserides. If you are overweight or if you have
abdominal fat, weight reduction is important. Exercise is also essential in
addition to diet.

--
Juhana

Susan · medicine forum Guru Joined: 05 May 2005 Posts: 932

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calypso47@voyager.net wrote:

Guest

"I doubt that whole grain consumption is nearly as protective against
diabetes as no grain consumption. It's only been studied as compared to
a refined starch diet."

research with large populations over periods of time to assess
outcomes. There are few places where a near no grain diet exists,ex.
high latitudes, and even there grain based foods are now part of the
diet and large differences in other factors that complicate matters.
The best experiments nature has done based on health and lifespan
outcomes are the mediterranean and e. asian diets. In the first whole
grains, fish and dairy and few other animal sources of protein, olive
oil in place of saturated fats, a great variety of plant based foods
etc. are the norm. In the second very large amounts of milled
grains,etc little meat, a great variety of plant foods, plant fat
sources, etc. provides some contrasts and similarities with the first.

Here is a study addressing specifically the question at hand with
regard to whole grains and beans:

http://tinyurl.com/57l5k

TC · medicine forum Guru Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 1814

calyps...@voyager.net wrote:

Guest

"One of the authors has done work for Kelloggs:"

Relevance? Did the article contain evidence of fraud or some other factor
by which to question the validity of the outcomes? If so, please show the
specific section that is not valid and explain why. If there is
contradictory evidence which better shows or not the relationship between
whole grains and the protective effects relative to diabetes, please
direct us to them.

Guest

n...@celticbear.com wrote:

Susan · medicine forum Guru Joined: 05 May 2005 Posts: 932

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calypso47@voyager.net wrote:

Susan · medicine forum Guru Joined: 05 May 2005 Posts: 932

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calypso47@voyager.net wrote:

cmom · medicine forum beginner Joined: 06 May 2005 Posts: 3

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050430103506.htm

Guest

"It showed a great big assumption that eating whole grains was better
than not eating grains. In an article stressing glycemic control, yet."

One vote for no relevance shown as to questionable scientific validity of
the article. The question was about when looking at the diets of large
populations does the use of whole grains seem related to a lower risk of
developing diabetes. Based on the article, and others, the answer is yes.
Any speculation about any other combination of foods stands mute as
research is lacking. Scientific concensus is built not upon research not
done but that in hand. For a population whose usual diet includes grains,
whole grains is a better choice with regard to developing diabetes.

Guest

"Then there's the Okinawans, with their greasy pork filled diet. Almost
no CVD, diabetes, and extraordinary longevity."

The pork is a luxury food eaten a few times a year, a sub fraction of the
3 percent of meat in their diets. The diet is a good example of the e.
diet.

"Eat like an Okinawan"

http://www.berkeleywellness.com/html/wl/2001/wlFeatured0901.html

"The Okinawan diet might well amaze Americans. The average citizen
consumes at least seven servings of vegetables daily, and an equal
number of grains (in the form of noodles, bread, and rice--many of
them whole grains). Add to this two to four servings of fruit, plus
tofu and other forms of soy, green tea, seaweed, and fish rich in
omega-3s (three times weekly). Sweet potatoes, bean sprouts, onions,
and green peppers are prominent in the diet. Vegetables, grains, and
fruits make up 72% of the diet by weight. Soy and seaweed provide
another 14%. Meat, poultry, and eggs account for just 3% of the diet,
fish about 11%. The emphasis is on dark green vegetables rich in
calcium (Okinawans, like other Japanese, don't eat much dairy).
Okinawans do drink alcohol, but women usually stick to one drink a
day, while men average twice that. Moderation is the key.

short, the average Okinawan's diet is far richer in complex
carbohydrates and plant-based foods, and lower in fat, than the
average American's. (It's completely different from low-carbohydrate
plans like the Atkins and Zone diets.)"

Guest

"You are right about the Okinawan diet. The Weston A. Price site gives
inaccurate information about the Okinawan diet. The red meat consumption
is
*very* low among Okinawan elders."

His data collection techniques leave much to be desired. They do eat pork
on holidays and more also among the rich. His typical plan was to drop
into a place and ask around and observe and make unsupported evaluations
of the "normal" diet. His research in africa, the pacific islands, and
else where are also examples of this poor technique. The only well
established point of his research is that increasing the use of sugar in
one's diet increases greatly the amount of tooth decay, which he a dentist
was best trained to evaluate.

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