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clifto
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:21 am    Post subject: Re: Scorpion Venom vs. Brain Tumor Reply with quote

madiba wrote:
Quote:
clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote:
Just after wife and I got married, we were standing next to the toilet,
arguing about whether the seat should be prepositioned by the user to the
desired position or always be returned to the ladies' position. Just then,
Tigger the cat came up, put front paws on the rim and started drinking
from the toilet. Problem solved! New rule: all users put the seat AND lid
down after use.

I guess Tigger would rather drink loo water than die of thirst...

Now, now. We always kept a perfectly good, clean bowl of clear water by
the food dishes. Tigger knew that; he was one of the bigger water drinkers
among the cats we've had. In the instant case, he was just drinking out of
the toilet because it was a nifty new source of water for him.

He was also the all-time title holder for longest urination time. He would
routinely pee for twice to three times as long as any other cat we've ever
had. That's why it was easy to tell when he got a blockage, and before he
got anywhere near uremia.

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Bob Allison
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Scorpion Venom vs. Brain Tumor Reply with quote

In article <cJFvg.47232$Z61.26184@newsfe4-win.ntli.net>,
"Alayne" <totallyfake@email.com> wrote:

Quote:
I
always thought it was something to do with the male alter ego needing extra
space (or is it merely a bad aim!)

Alayne

Both

Bob

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*Why can't women leave the lid up?

Bob
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madiba
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Scorpion Venom vs. Brain Tumor Reply with quote

clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
Alayne wrote:
"Bob Allison" <hidden@somewhere.not> wrote...
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*Why can't women leave the lid up?

Love the signature Bob, but do you really have to ask why! ;-)

Just after wife and I got married, we were standing next to the toilet,
arguing about whether the seat should be prepositioned by the user to the
desired position or always be returned to the ladies' position. Just then,
Tigger the cat came up, put front paws on the rim and started drinking
from the toilet. Problem solved! New rule: all users put the seat AND lid
down after use.
I guess Tigger would rather drink loo water than die of thirst...


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Alayne
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:50 am    Post subject: Re: Scorpion Venom vs. Brain Tumor Reply with quote

"Bob Allison" <hidden@somewhere.not> wrote in message
news:hidden-B83F8C.13134419072006@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
Quote:
In article <vklvg.28654$IU2.18937@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>,
"Alayne" <totallyfake@email.com> wrote:

*Why can't women leave the lid up?

Bob
in Carmel, CA

Love the signature Bob, but do you really have to ask why! ;-)

Alayne

Just something men mutter under their breath from time to time.

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*Why can't women leave the lid up?

Bob
in Carmel, CA

Shucks, and I thought muttering was how guys spoke all the time Wink I
always thought it was something to do with the male alter ego needing extra
space (or is it merely a bad aim!)

Alayne
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clifto
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Scorpion Venom vs. Brain Tumor Reply with quote

Alayne wrote:
Quote:
"Bob Allison" <hidden@somewhere.not> wrote...
--
*Why can't women leave the lid up?

Love the signature Bob, but do you really have to ask why! Wink

Just after wife and I got married, we were standing next to the toilet,
arguing about whether the seat should be prepositioned by the user to the
desired position or always be returned to the ladies' position. Just then,
Tigger the cat came up, put front paws on the rim and started drinking
from the toilet. Problem solved! New rule: all users put the seat AND lid
down after use.

--
Britney Spears' Guide to Semiconductor Physics
<http://britneyspears.ac/lasers.htm>
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Bob Allison
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Scorpion Venom vs. Brain Tumor Reply with quote

In article <vklvg.28654$IU2.18937@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>,
"Alayne" <totallyfake@email.com> wrote:

Quote:
*Why can't women leave the lid up?

Bob
in Carmel, CA

Love the signature Bob, but do you really have to ask why! ;-)

Alayne

Just something men mutter under their breath from time to time.

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*Why can't women leave the lid up?

Bob
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Alayne
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:39 am    Post subject: Re: Scorpion Venom vs. Brain Tumor Reply with quote

"Bob Allison" <hidden@somewhere.not> wrote in message
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Quote:
A friend sent this link. Is it real or snake oil?

http://www.floridahospitalmedicalnews.com/news-Neurology-Neurosurgery-id131
.html


Bob

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Bob
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Love the signature Bob, but do you really have to ask why! ;-)

Alayne
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J
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Scorpion Venom vs. Brain Tumor Reply with quote

bj wrote:

Quote:
Bob Allison wrote:
A friend sent this link. Is it real or snake oil?


http://www.floridahospitalmedicalnews.com/news-Neurology-Neurosurgery-id131.html

Looks like it might be this --
http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct/show/NCT00114309?order=1

Lizard Spit sounded like snake oil, too, but there really is a diabetes
medication that came out of that!
bj

Thanks. I wondered how they delver it. intracavitary
Another webpage says they're using it for growth into the brain stem. "an area that
the surgeons canít get to without killing the patient."

Ingestion here
http://www.tbts.org/itemDetail.asp?categoryID=444&itemID=18309
Scientists at the Transmolecular Corporation in Cambridge, Massachusetts created a
radioactive version of this scorpion venom. Called TM-601, it contains an
artificial version of the venom protein, attached to a radioactive substance called
iodine-131 (I-131). When ingested, the compound attaches to the glioma cells, then
the I-131 releases radiation that kills the cell.

This compound has enabled an experimental treatment for high-grade gliomas, found
in 17,000 people in the US every year and usually causing death in the first year
of diagnosis. Patients would simply drink liquids containing the compound in an
outpatient procedure, without needing chemotherapy or traditional radiotherapy. The
first, early human trials of the venom therapy showed promising signs for treating
the tumor and prolonging survival rates for patients.

http://main.uab.edu/oadi/show.asp?durki=77788
In an earlier study involving just 18 patients, the company saw promising results,
said Matthew A. Gonda, TransMolecular's chief executive officer. All the people in
the study were in the worst-case scenario for brain cancer, with tumors that had
grown back after having been removed by surgery.

Patients with these recurring tumors typically live only four to six months, but
those in the study survived for an average of 6.3 months. Five of the 18 patients
lived longer than a year, and two have survived more than two years after getting
the treatment.

The study was too small to draw any conclusions about the therapy's effectiveness.
Nevertheless, Gonda said one important thing to note is that the 18 patients
received a single, small dose of the scorpion-based treatment.

"We anticipate we'll be able to amplify the effect with higher doses," Gonda said,
adding that patients did not report side effects from the treatment.
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bj
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Scorpion Venom vs. Brain Tumor Reply with quote

Quote:
Bob Allison wrote:
A friend sent this link. Is it real or snake oil?

http://www.floridahospitalmedicalnews.com/news-Neurology-Neurosurgery-id131
.html


"J" <burglar_of_turds@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1153255157.649133.162560@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Quote:

SNAKE OIL DUH!!!!

Come on Bob, you can do better than that.


Looks like it might be this --
http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct/show/NCT00114309?order=1

Lizard Spit sounded like snake oil, too, but there really is a diabetes
medication that came out of that!
bj
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JJ
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Scorpion Venom vs. Brain Tumor Reply with quote

SNAKE OIL DUH!!!!

Come on Bob, you can do better than that.


Bob Allison wrote:
Quote:
A friend sent this link. Is it real or snake oil?

http://www.floridahospitalmedicalnews.com/news-Neurology-Neurosurgery-id131
.html


Bob

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Bob Allison
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:27 pm    Post subject: Scorpion Venom vs. Brain Tumor Reply with quote

A friend sent this link. Is it real or snake oil?

<http://www.floridahospitalmedicalnews.com/news-Neurology-Neurosurgery-id131
..html>


Bob

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Bob
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