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derdrittemann2003@yahoo.c
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:49 am    Post subject: Re: David Letterman and his comments about tick-borne disease Reply with quote

the 3rd Man wrote:
Mark J. Wallin wrote:


" To all who did not see the Letterman show this evening: Letterman
did

elaborate comedy skit that belittled the danger's of tick borne
diseases, making comments that it is 'the most over-diagnosed health
problem' and pooh-poohed the dangers of ticks..."

This is simply NOT true.





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Mark J. Wallin, Ph.D.

(Does the "Ph.D" stand for "Ph.--king D.umb--s" by any chance)?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:48 am    Post subject: Re: David Letterman and his comments about tick-borne disease Reply with quote

Mark J. Wallin wrote:


" To all who did not see the Letterman show this evening: Letterman did

elaborate comedy skit that belittled the danger's of tick borne
diseases, making comments that it is 'the most over-diagnosed health
problem' and pooh-poohed the dangers of ticks..."

This is simply NOT true.





Quote:
Mark J. Wallin, Ph.D.

(Does the "Ph.D" stand for "ph--king dumb--s" by any chance)?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:41 am    Post subject: Re: David Letterman and his comments about tick-borne disease Reply with quote

the 3rd Man wrote:

Mark J. Wallin wrote:

"To all who did not see the Letterman show this evening: Letterman did
elaborate comedy skit that belittled the danger's of tick borne
diseases, making comments that it is 'the most over-diagnosed health
problem' and pooh-poohed the dangers of ticks.

Everyone who reads this should send a letter or email of outrage to
CBS.

The man revealed himself on national television as a total idiot and
completely insensitive to boot. In one minute, he did more damage
than
a dozen 'Steeres'".

Mark J. Wallin, Ph.D.

I didn't think so.

For those that did NOT see it...it was a "fake" sketch, where he
introduced an author, who had supposedly written a new book called the
"Ticking Bomb"...about the dangers of tickborne illnesses and the
government's lack of concern about them.

And Lettermsn says, and Lyme disease...that's the worst of them...and
it's very bad and can be very hard to get rid of and people suffer
with
it a long time.

And the guy says, yes, but ticks can also carry a lot of other nasty
diseases, including RMSF...and he then brings out his tick collection
to show Dave...

...at which point he discovers the RMSF tick is missing...

...and he jumps up...screaming...yelling, "GET IT OFF ME...GET IT OFF
ME"...through the audience.

SO?

Get it?

It was just a silly stunt about this guy's reaction...and a "con-job"
on the audience.

Stop whining, for goddssakes.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: David Letterman and his comments about tick-borne disease Reply with quote

pmerv@hughes.net wrote:

Quote:
there is a lot that passes for humor on this group that is NOT very
funny.

Well, humor depends on the joke and who the joke is on, sometimes. (I
happen to think that most of what one person in particular writes here
is unintentionally funny).

This was a discussion about a particular bit on television.

And...it would appear that I owe an apology of sorts...I said that Mark
Wallin, PHD(!!!)...was acting like a "LymeNUT".

But from reading the reactions over there...it looks like most of them
actually "got it". So, I apologize to the LymeNUTs. (Yes, Mark Wallin,
PHD!!!...you are sillier than a LymeNUT).

Not really sure what you are referring to as "passing for humor"...and
being not funny...but I recently RE-posted a string of fairly obscene
comments from one individual, with the purpose of showing a pattern of
disregard for others.

Hope you understand that I was NOT the author of any of that...if
someone doesn't read carefully enough they could come to that wrong
conclusion.

But this particualr deal...over the Letterman bit...just silly. Really
silly.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:16 pm    Post subject: Re: David Letterman and his comments about tick-borne disease Reply with quote

pmerv@hughes.net wrote:


Quote:
there is a lot that passes for humor on this group that is NOT very
funny.



I don't think there is much at all funny on this board, Phyllis...to
tell you the truth.

And I think it is really sad what is happening here. Mostly just
meaness cruelty and ugliness.

And it is coming from a few people.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:36 am    Post subject: Re: David Letterman and his comments about tick-borne disease Reply with quote

there is a lot that passes for humor on this group that is NOT very
funny.

the 3rd Man wrote:
Quote:
Mark J. Wallin wrote:
Elected Newsgroup leader Chuck wrote:

Dave had said Lyme was a serious hard to treat disease, why are you
LymeNut's upset?

You must have been watching something else.

I saw it.

You are pretty easily offended...IT WAS A JOKE. A comedy skit.

GOD.

Get a grip.

You morons. How many times does someone have to tell you what the
general public thinks about Lyme disease.

Did you expect him to preach the doom and gloom and you are going to
die line to drum up business for crooked LLMD's and testing lab's?

The only people who subscribe to that bullshit is the few morons over
at LymeNut and the turkey Hawks who run those associations.


You morons. How many times does someone have to tell you what the
general public thinks about Lyme disease.

Did you expect him to preach the doom and gloom and you are going to
die line to drum up business for crooked LLMD's and testing lab's?

The only people who subscribe to that bullshit is the few morons over
at LymeNut and the turkey Hawks who run those associations.

Good Job Dave for getting the real truth out.

Excuse me but who elected you and what are your credentials? What is
your agenda? Why don't you come down to my wife's Lyme support group
and explain to the legion of victims we encounter (not-hypochondriacs)
how much of an expert you are. Or lecture to the doctors we know who
are victims themselves.

Don't need to...have had it for years myself. But I can still laugh now
and then.

I recently had a relapse of Lyme after being relatively healthy for 6
years since my initial diagnosis. I had a slew of strange and
apparently disconnected symptoms for the last six months. After 10 days
of antibiotics, I am feeling much improved but know I am not cured and
may never be. I am no hypochondriac (I hate medications and taking
prescription drugs). My wife and I have read many medical papers and
are familiar with the controversy regarding Lyme. My wife has had
chronic Lyme for 18+ years (well documented from various tests).

Regarding my credentials, I hold a Bachelor's degree in Physics, a
Masters in Environmental Science, and a Ph.D. from Drexel University
(1977) in Interdisciplinary Environmental Science and Mechanical
Engineering. My IQ has been measured at 157. I have been a computer
software developer for almost 20 years and prior to that was an energy
conservation engineer. How about you? I don't pretend to know
everything, but I am no dummy and resent being called a 'moron' or
'LymeNut'. You have a real problem and need to seek help.

Oh...GROW UP.

Very nice that you have all these wonderful credentials and are not shy
about telling people how smart you are.

Do you have a sense of humor, though?

Did you happen to notice the discussion that preceeded the 'bit'...how
Dave acknowledged Lyme was a terrible disease and very hard to get rid
of? How he lived in a Lyme hot zone himself?

If you have been watching the show lately...it is customary to do a
sort of bizarre, disruptive stunt like this in the early part of the
show...(a really overweight guy who is introduced as Lance Armstrong
sometimes rides his bike through the audience).

It's zany...it's wacky...it's supposede to be a JOKE.

Funny...everybody always laughs about how Steere or Klempner would
react if they got a tick on them...

...and now you're absolutely outraged when someone pokes fun at it.

It wasn't in ANY WAY poking fun at the disease or the suffering of
people...but just ONE silly reaction to it.

Good, Lord.

I'm no longer going to use my real name. Apparently it is foolhardy to
do so on an unmoderated board so infested with vicious loonies.

mw, Ph.D.

"pile higher and deeper'

Yes, write your whining, complaining letters...you will only succeed in
once again convincing the world that lyme patients are a bunch of
hysterical goofs.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:59 pm    Post subject: Re: David Letterman and his comments about tick-borne disease Reply with quote

Mark J. Wallin wrote:
Quote:
the 3rd Man wrote:

Hey...with all that education...have you ever heard of the expression
of what people who can't take a joke should do?


Sorry, I lost my sense of humor watching my wife go from doctor to
doctor for seven years of misdiagnoses until her illness became chronic,
now in its 18th year of breaking her down.

I'm sorry. Really. And I appreciate your sticking by her. Not everyone
is able to do so.

Yes, it is dreadful. I have been dealing with it since '98,
myself...and struggling badly..I have trouble walking, speaking...it
has affected my heart...my eyesight....and the lack of understanding
may be the worst thing to deal with...but I still think it is
important, vital, to keep a sense of humor, okay?
Quote:

I lost my sense of humor in listening to horror stories of other Lyme
victims who are battling the medical profession, health care providers,
and uncaring relatives.

Yes. All the more reason to look for the positive aspects of life. Find
goodness and humor where you can.
Quote:

I lost my sense of humor in having to deal with it myself.

I'm sorry to hear that. Truly. Laughter is the "best medicine", so they
say.
Quote:

If Letterman had the disease and is so concerned about it, why doesn't
he try to get laughs out of some other topic, or has he just run out of
fresh material.

Have you ever watched some really dark, humor? Sometimes, the things we
find the funniest are things we fear...it is a way of releasing...to
mock death, disease...yes?
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I knew there was a reason that I never found Letterman all that hilarious.

Well, you DO need to have a sense for the absurd...the sort of
out-of-place interjection of oddball zaniness.

I am a fellow Mid-westerner...so maybe I just "get it" better. I have
always found him to be a 'good guy'. I doubt that he really meant any
offense, whatever.

I sort of do understand your reaction, though...I just think we need to
be careful...and be FAIR.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:48 pm    Post subject: Re: David Letterman and his comments about tick-borne disease Reply with quote

the 3rd Man wrote:
Quote:

Hey...with all that education...have you ever heard of the expression
of what people who can't take a joke should do?


Sorry, I lost my sense of humor watching my wife go from doctor to
doctor for seven years of misdiagnoses until her illness became chronic,
now in its 18th year of breaking her down.

I lost my sense of humor in listening to horror stories of other Lyme
victims who are battling the medical profession, health care providers,
and uncaring relatives.

I lost my sense of humor in having to deal with it myself.

If Letterman had the disease and is so concerned about it, why doesn't
he try to get laughs out of some other topic, or has he just run out of
fresh material.

I knew there was a reason that I never found Letterman all that hilarious.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:26 pm    Post subject: Re: David Letterman and his comments about tick-borne disease Reply with quote

BrentB wrote:
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Did you EVEN see the damn thing?

Nope and I love Letterman and doubt he would abuse people in
desperation.(if you look I posted something to the effect at lymenet).
My post would have stated yes Lyme is very serious and gets NO mass
media exposure. Perhaps you can invite Amy Tan to your show to explain
it and help educate the people. Anything wrong with that?

No. Sounds good to me...but I don't think people should go all
goofy-hysterical over this and start bombarding them with hatemail over
something that didn't happen.

Like I said, that just leads to the conclusion that Lyme patients are a
bunch of humorless freakin' goofs...and the derisive statements of some
"Steere camp" doctors are unintentionally reinforced by the kneejerk,
giddy schoolgirl reactions of some people.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:20 pm    Post subject: Re: David Letterman and his comments about tick-borne disease Reply with quote

the 3rd Man wrote:
Quote:
BrentB wrote:

I'd love to see Amy Tan on his show. My email will be sent by today.
thanx for the info.

Oh, Crap, Brent.

Did you EVEN see the damn thing?

Nope and I love Letterman and doubt he would abuse people in
desperation.(if you look I posted something to the effect at lymenet).
My post would have stated yes Lyme is very serious and gets NO mass
media exposure. Perhaps you can invite Amy Tan to your show to explain
it and help educate the people. Anything wrong with that?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:20 pm    Post subject: Re: David Letterman and his comments about tick-borne disease Reply with quote

Greatcod wrote:
Quote:
Letterman has done real damage with this, and is in over his head.
Maybe we could ask for rebuttal time. I've sent my email, and hope the
intern reads it before deleting it.

Thanks, at least there is one normal person here. Unfortunately, I have

seen enough to indicate that this is not a place I will be coming back.
One comment and I am labeled a 'Troll' and 'Moron'. So much for
free speech. This is not a place for sane, rational discussion without
epithets, slurs, attacks and other nasty, unsocial behavior.

Before I make my permanent exit, maybe you can tell me why this group is
not moderated and how it got to this state? Who is responsible for
maintaining this group. I would recommend that it be shut down or
moderated. The last time I checked in here, a few years ago, it was not
entirely overrun by the crazies. There were a few kooks but I
attributed that to Lyme Brain. This group has degenerated into a haven
for political diatribes, racists, opinionated medical quacks, and other
assorted nut cases. It should be put out of its misery.

MW, Ph.D.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re: David Letterman and his comments about tick-borne disease Reply with quote

Mark J. Wallin wrote:
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WHO ARE YOU TO CALL ANYONE ANYTHING?

Well, with all that high-priced education, you might have noticed that
I didn't actually "call you" anything. I said you were acting like a
"LymeNUT", which isn't really the same as calling you one.

You are apparently one of the
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lunatics who somehow got control of this group.

That's nice. Actually, no one moderates this group. No one "controls"
it.

Too bad, it was once
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very useful. Fortunately, there are other places one can go for
information.

And by the way, I am quite gainfully employed and I am
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sure that I am making a lot more money than you.

LOL. Sensitive!

No, academic
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credentials do not overly impress me, as Dr. Steere has them and it
didn't apparently make him all that smart, but it does indicate that I
am not a mental cretin (look that up, if you are unfamiliar with the
term), as you have given every indication of being.

Well, apparently, you seem to think it impresses others...

Ooooh. I can see the by-products of all that education, now. The regal
manner...the highly polished civility...the impeccable manners...
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My guess is that you are either:

1. Unemployed - otherwise where do you get the time to plague this group?

Ever hear of "chronic Lyme" disease?

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2. Are under 21 and a high school dropout.

No.
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3. Mentally defective.

Well...you know...who's to say, there? Maybe i just suffer from the
"neuropsychiatric manifestations" of Lyme disease. IS everyone who
disagrees with you a "cretin"?

LOL. You really don't like people disagreeing with you very much do
you?

My goodness, gracious.

Hey...with all that education...have you ever heard of the expression
of what people who can't take a joke should do?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:09 pm    Post subject: Re: David Letterman and his comments about tick-borne disease Reply with quote

the 3rd Man wrote:
Quote:
Mark J. Wallin wrote:
Regarding my credentials, I hold a Bachelor's degree in Physics, a
Masters in Environmental Science, and a Ph.D. from Drexel University
(1977) in Interdisciplinary Environmental Science and Mechanical
Engineering. My IQ has been measured at 157. I have been a computer
software developer for almost 20 years and prior to that was an energy
conservation engineer.


How about you? I don't pretend to know
everything, but I am no dummy and resent being called a 'moron' or
'LymeNut'. You have a real problem and need to seek help.

Well, you are SERIOUSLY over-reacting here, in my opinion.

And I really fail to see what all your academic credentials have to do
with anything...how that enables you to judge whether a sketch is funny
or not.
(WE used to think that someone who has that lengthy a string of degrees
was hiding from the real world in college...couldn't get a real
job...or a real life. Guess you find that all very impressive, huh)?

If you resent being called a "LymeNUT" (which is a play on "LymeNET"
and the people who post there) or a "moron"...then I would suggest that
you are not going to be particularly comfortable around here. "Moron"
is one of the nicer forms of address around here. We don't play nice...

LymeNUTs are as LymeNUTS do...and frankly, you're acting like a
"LymeNUT".


WHO ARE YOU TO CALL ANYONE ANYTHING? You are apparently one of the
lunatics who somehow got control of this group. Too bad, it was once
very useful. Fortunately, there are other places one can go for
information. And by the way, I am quite gainfully employed and I am
sure that I am making a lot more money than you. No, academic
credentials do not overly impress me, as Dr. Steere has them and it
didn't apparently make him all that smart, but it does indicate that I
am not a mental cretin (look that up, if you are unfamiliar with the
term), as you have given every indication of being.

My guess is that you are either:

1. Unemployed - otherwise where do you get the time to plague this group?
2. Are under 21 and a high school dropout.
3. Mentally defective.

And quite possibly all three, if you can count that high.

And with that, I am permanently out of here as I have better things to
do than argue with insane people.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:48 pm    Post subject: Re: David Letterman and his comments about tick-borne disease Reply with quote

Mark J. Wallin wrote:
Quote:
Regarding my credentials, I hold a Bachelor's degree in Physics, a
Masters in Environmental Science, and a Ph.D. from Drexel University
(1977) in Interdisciplinary Environmental Science and Mechanical
Engineering. My IQ has been measured at 157. I have been a computer
software developer for almost 20 years and prior to that was an energy
conservation engineer.


How about you? I don't pretend to know
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everything, but I am no dummy and resent being called a 'moron' or
'LymeNut'. You have a real problem and need to seek help.

Well, you are SERIOUSLY over-reacting here, in my opinion.

And I really fail to see what all your academic credentials have to do
with anything...how that enables you to judge whether a sketch is funny
or not.
(WE used to think that someone who has that lengthy a string of degrees
was hiding from the real world in college...couldn't get a real
job...or a real life. Guess you find that all very impressive, huh)?

If you resent being called a "LymeNUT" (which is a play on "LymeNET"
and the people who post there) or a "moron"...then I would suggest that
you are not going to be particularly comfortable around here. "Moron"
is one of the nicer forms of address around here. We don't play nice...

LymeNUTs are as LymeNUTS do...and frankly, you're acting like a
"LymeNUT".
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:35 pm    Post subject: Re: David Letterman and his comments about tick-borne disease Reply with quote

Elected Newsgroup leader Chuck wrote:
Quote:
Mark J. Wallin wrote:
To all who did not see the Letterman show this evening: Letterman did
elaborate comedy skit that belittled the danger's of tick borne
diseases, making comments that it is 'the most over-diagnosed health
problem' and pooh-poohed the dangers of ticks.

Everyone who reads this should send a letter or email of outrage to CBS.

The man revealed himself on national television as a total idiot and
completely insensitive to boot. In one minute, he did more damage than
a dozen 'Steeres'.

Mark J. Wallin, Ph.D.


Dave had said Lyme was a serious hard to treat disease, why are you
LymeNut's upset?

YES! Exactly.

Damned if I know.

I thought it was funny...strange...but funny.

Yeah...the guy went SREAMING out of the room...he didn't sit there and
say, "oh, I'll be allright with a couple of weeks of doxy".

Damn there is just no pleasing some people.
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