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Steve Freides
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Protein / Fats/ Carbs relative to bodyweight Reply with quote

"Ignoramus23553" <ignoramus23553@NOSPAM.23553.invalid> wrote in message
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-snip-
Quote:
I am curious about something. I would like to estimate how much I
can
bench press. The trouble is that I do not go to a gym.

My thinking was, place a board on an analog scale, put some weight
on
the back (like a 3.5 year old kid) and do a slow pushup. Whatever
the
scale shows, would be an approximation of a bench press. Does it
make
sense?

I recall someone saying when you do a pushup, it's about 70% of your
bodyweight on your hands, but the movements are different enough that
I
don't think you can count on any one particular relationship.
Offhand,
because of the stabilizing required, I'd say bench pressing 70% of
one's
bodyweight is harder than doing a pushup.

If I can clarify, you are saying that because a pushup involves a
movement substantially different from bench press, the force of the
arms
on the floor/scale during a pushup is not indicative of possible
bench press performance.

I'm saying it harder to stabilize the bar over your chest than it is to
stabilize your body on your hands and feet so, therefore, it's not
comparable. Another example of the same thing, and a much more common
one, is barbell versus dumbbell bench press - no one presses half their
barbell bench press weight in each hand when they switch to using two
dumbbells - it's always less than half the weight for each dumbbell. So
it's not that it's just a substantially different movement, which is
important, but it's that the stabilizing involved is different. If it
were just a different movement, one would, in theory, anyway, be able to
train up to equal weights in both. That won't happen with dumbbell
versus barbell bench press, and I don't think it will happen with
pushups and bench pressing. I don't think a lot of people work weighted
pushups but I'm sure some mfw-ers work both dumbbell and barbell bench
presses - maybe someone will chime in. (There are range of motion and
other issues I haven't touched on so I know I've oversimplified at least
somewhat but I think you'll get the point here.)

-snip-

Quote:
Well, you probably do have a barbell. Smile

Deadlifting is about a simple as barbell lifting gets - you don't need a
spotter, you don't need a rack, and all you need is a rubber mat and a
starter Olympic weight set which together will set you back between $150
and $300 depending on where you live and where you shop for your
equipment. You likely won't get hooge deadlifting but you will get
stronger. Everybody should do it. (OK, maybe not everybody, but at
least everybody who lifts weights, and certainly everybody who benches
but doesn't work their legs and back.)

-snip-

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: The Splendor Of Splenda? Reply with quote

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:17:07 -0800, The Real Bev
<bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote:

Quote:
Carol Frilegh wrote:

Everyone should not live in trees and eat nuts but people with chemical
sensitivities and gastric illness do not do well with artiificial
sweeteners. Ironically saaccharine is OK for them even though it is a
chemical and it has received a clean bill of health after theyears of
the Bladder cancer in rats studies were refuted.

I think you mean Sucaryl here.

I believe that they do mean _saccharine_
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TonySeb
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Protein / Fats/ Carbs relative to bodyweight Reply with quote

The more protein one eats, the more sulfuric acid the body produces.
Without balancing that increased sulfuric acid produced with base
(bicarbonate) production, body fluids become more acidic (increased
metabolic acidosis). Increased metabolic acidosis has numerous
negative health consequences, including stimulation of muscle protein
breakdown, limiting muscle growth. To increase base production without
increasing caloric intake one must eliminate cereal grains (calories,
plus they produce acid) and energy-dense nutrient poor foods (separated
fats and oils, refined sugars), and substitute non-grain plant foods
(vegetables and fruits).
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Larry Hodges
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Protein / Fats/ Carbs relative to bodyweight Reply with quote

NYC XYZ wrote:
Quote:
Thanks -- I figured it was a bunch of work, and was only wondering if
there are any general principles (which you've helpfully outlined).

It's weird...I'm not eating anywhere near 230g of protein a day, but
I'm now benching 225@2X after a month in the gym...this is what I
don't get...sounds like I'm capable of much more, if only I'd feed
myself!

How many oz. of steak/chicken/salmon makes for 230g?? I'm really
curious now if I can grow these muscles (notieceably) more without
supplements.


And thanks for the link!!

Why are you against supplements?
--
-Larry
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biochem
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Protein / Fats/ Carbs relative to bodyweight Reply with quote

TonySeb wrote:
Quote:
The more protein one eats, the more sulfuric acid the body produces.
Without balancing that increased sulfuric acid produced with base
(bicarbonate) production, body fluids become more acidic (increased
metabolic acidosis). Increased metabolic acidosis has numerous
negative health consequences, including stimulation of muscle protein
breakdown, limiting muscle growth. To increase base production without
increasing caloric intake one must eliminate cereal grains (calories,
plus they produce acid) and energy-dense nutrient poor foods (separated
fats and oils, refined sugars), and substitute non-grain plant foods
(vegetables and fruits).


There is good support for your last sentence here:

American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol. 76, No. 6, 1308-1316,
December 2002
Estimation of the net acid load of the diet of ancestral preagricultural
Homo sapiens and their hominid ancestors
Anthony Sebastian, Lynda A Frassetto, Deborah E Sellmeyer, Renée L
Merriam and R Curtis Morris, Jr

free full paper:

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/76/6/1308



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jamie
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: The Splendor Of Splenda? Reply with quote

avoidspam@invalid.com <avoidspam@invalid.com> wrote:
Quote:
The Real Bev <bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Carol Frilegh wrote:

Everyone should not live in trees and eat nuts but people with chemical
sensitivities and gastric illness do not do well with artiificial
sweeteners. Ironically saaccharine is OK for them even though it is a
chemical and it has received a clean bill of health after theyears of
the Bladder cancer in rats studies were refuted.

I think you mean Sucaryl here.

I believe that they do mean _saccharine_

There was one study for cyclamates and one for saccharin, both later
attributed to a particular strain of lab rats prone to bladder
cancer, and in further studies on both sweeteners the cancer was
never reproduced.

--
jamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com)

"There's a seeker born every minute."
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Paul Antonik Wakfer
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Imminent Danger of Worldwide Supplement Ban (CODEX) [was: Norway/German/CODEX Reply with quote

Anth wrote:

Quote:
Quote :-

CODEX now applies to Norway and Germany, among others, where zinc tablets
rose from $4 per bottle to $52. Echinacea (an ancient immune-enhancement
herb) rose from $14 to $153 (both examples are now allowed by prescription
only). They are now "drugs". Vitamin C above 200 mg, niacin above 32 mg,
vitamin B6 above 4 mg-all are banned over-the-counter as drugs. No amino
acids (arginine, lysine, carnitine, etc. = essential amino acids!),
essential fatty acids (omegas 3, 6, 9, etc.), or other essential supplements
such as DMEA, DHEA, CoQ10, MSM, beta-carotene, etc. are allowed.

It is far, far worse than this small quote suggests, and most of those
on this group do not seem to understand how imminent it is HERE in North
America and *why* that is so. Here is the complete message from which
the above is quoted. I urge everyone to read it in its entirety
(including my comments at the end) and then to act STRONGLY and IMMEDIATELY.

------------ Important message begins --------------

Subject: Banning of the sales of Vitamins .. worldwide ...

Read this very important health message below and contact everyone.

Your right to choose your vitamin, mineral and other supplements may end
in June of this year (2005). After that U.S. supplements will be defined
and controlled by the World Trade Organization (WTO) and the World
Health Organization (WHO). The CODEX ALIMENTARIUS (Food Code) is setting
the supplement standards for all countries in the WTO. They will be
enforced by the WTO and will override U.S. laws. The U.S. President and
Congress agreed to this take-over when the WTO Treaty was signed.
Violations are punished by WTO trade sanctions. CODEX drastically
restricts vitamins, minerals, herbs and other supplements. CODEX met
secretly in November, 2004 and finalized "Step 8 (the final stage)" to
begin implementation in June, 2005.

The CODE includes:

(1) No supplement can be sold for preventive or therapeutic use.

(2) Any potency higher than RDA (minimal strength) is a "drug" requiring
a prescription and must be produced by drug companies. Over 5000 safe
items now in health stores will be banned, terminating health stores as
we now know them.

(3) CODEX regulations become binding internationally.

(4) New supplements are banned unless given very expensive CODEX testing
and approval.

CODEX now applies to Norway and Germany, among others, where zinc
tablets rose from $4 per bottle to $52. Echinacea (an ancient
immune-enhancement herb) rose from $14 to $153 (both examples are now
allowed by prescription only). They are now "drugs". Vitamin C above 200
mg, niacin above 32 mg, vitamin B6 above 4 mg-all are banned
over-the-counter as drugs. No amino acids (arginine, lysine, carnitine,
etc. = essential amino acids!), essential fatty acids (omegas 3, 6, 9,
etc.), or other essential supplements such as DMEA, DHEA, CoQ10, MSM,
beta-carotene, etc. are allowed.

The CODEX rules are not based on real science. They are made by a few
people meeting in secret (see web sites below), not necessarily
scientists. In 1993 the FDA and drug corporations tried to put all
supplements under restriction and prescription. But over 4 million
Americans told Congress and the President to protect their freedom of
choice on health supplements. The DSHEA Law was passed in 1994, which
does so. But this will be overruled by CODEX and the World Trade
Organization.

Virtually nothing about it has been in the media. What the drug
corporations have failed to do through Congress they have gotten by
sneak attack through CODEX with the help of a silent media. What can be
done at this late hour?

(1) Spread the word as much as possible. Inform yourselves fully at

http://www.ahha.org, http://www.iahf.com, and
http://www.alliance-natural-health.org .

(2) Oppose bills S.722 and H.R.3377. These support the CODEX
restrictions with U.S. laws, changing the DSHEA law.

(3) Support H.R.1146 which would restore the sovereignty of the U.S.
Constitution over CODEX, etc.

(4) Express your wishes to the President, Senators and Representatives
(They got us into this!) ASAP.

(5) Contact multi-level health marketing groups that can get their
members to inform the government.

(6) Send donations, however small, to the British Alliance for Natural
Health (see web site above). It has succeeded in challenging the CODEX
directives in World Court later this month or next. They need help
financially, having carried the fight effectively for everyone. CODEX
and the FDA wish to protect us by controlling supplements in the same
way they do prescription drugs. A study of the latter by three medical
scientists was reported in the Journal of the American Medical
Association, April 15, 1998-Vol. 279, No. 15, p. 1200 ".Incidence of
Adverse Drug Reactions (ADR's) was found to be extremely high."
Covering 30 years (1966 to 1996) it was found that in the U.S. an
average of 106,000 hospitalized patients per year (290 per day)! die
from ADR's and 2,200,000 need more hospitalization for recovery. These
were FDA approved drugs, properly administered by competent
professionals in hospitals--none were considered malpractice. This is
the number four cause of death in the U.S. When combined, these account
for 7% of all hospitalized patients. This is equivalent to a 9-11 attack
every ten days. There are very few fatalities from supplements or the
news would be on every front page. There is no need for more FDA control
of supplements than is already in place, which is substantial. Instead
of drastically restricting supplements, why doesn't the FDA better
control and restrict the extremely dangerous pharmaceutical drugs which
are now killing us at the rate of a major airline crash per day?

Wallace G. Heath, Ph.D.

1145 Marine Drive Bellingham, WA 98225

-------------------------------

Comment by Paul Wakfer:

If this takes place, not only all supplement stores, but all supplement
suppliers will be out of business. All of us who are taking large doses
of supplements will have nothing left but food, caloric restriction and
exercise for disease prevention and life extension, plus those few
things we will be able to buy "underground". However, just as with
proscribed narcotic drugs, these underground sources will be expensive,
of questionable purity and many may even be operated by violent criminal
types. Is this the environment of fear and uncertainty within which you
want to purchase your supplements?

While many readers of the MoreLife Yahoo group and the Morelife.org and
SelfSIP.org websites will realize that it is not normally my and Kitty's
method to have any "truck" with government as long as we can avoid it,
in this case we are fighting for our very lives! If CODEX is implemented
as designed and is adhered to by all major countries, then the entire
supplement supply industry as it is currently practiced, particularly in
North America, will be instantly gone and our chance for a continued
healthy existence into old age and beyond will be drastically reduced
(practically to zero). This CODEX nonsense MUST BE STOPPED from invading
any more countries and I most strongly urge everyone to do whatever s/he
can to stop it from happening. This is not the time to shrug and say
"someone else will stop it, why should I bother myself". If you wish to
have any chance to maximize your lifetime happiness, you must act NOW.


--Paul Wakfer

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Roger Rabbit
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Veggie Diet May Lower High Blood Pressure Reply with quote

Ya, that must be it. Is that what is making them obese as well? LOL.

rr


On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:18:59 -0500, "Piezo Guru" <gbusey@honmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:
Better water supply.

"Roger Rabbit" <rogers@home.com> wrote in message
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Perhaps Dr. Barnard can explain why it is that the largely vegetarian
population of southern India has a much shorter lifespan compared to
the Indians in the north where meat is consumed. The PCRM is a
vegetarian front that have their own agenda, not your health, at the
top of their priority.

rr
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Veggie Diet May Lower High Blood Pressure Reply with quote

Mineral water.

"Roger Rabbit" <rogers@home.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Ya, that must be it. Is that what is making them obese as well? LOL.

rr


On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:18:59 -0500, "Piezo Guru" <gbusey@honmail.com
wrote:

Better water supply.

"Roger Rabbit" <rogers@home.com> wrote in message
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Perhaps Dr. Barnard can explain why it is that the largely vegetarian
population of southern India has a much shorter lifespan compared to
the Indians in the north where meat is consumed. The PCRM is a
vegetarian front that have their own agenda, not your health, at the
top of their priority.

rr
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: How do I avoid simple sugars? Reply with quote

Manganese works for my tinnitus also. I tried it for dizziness after a
medical persons recommendation and my tinnitus stopped. I use it now when
needed but it took a few months the first time and now a few weeks each
time.

"Rene" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

"Piezo Guru" <gbusey@honmail.com> wrote in message
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Check out manganese for Menieres Disease.

Thanks for the suggestion. I also have tinitis so this is interesting.
The
ear, nose and throat doc did not mention anything about this disease.

Reni




"Rene" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Piezo Guru" <gbusey@honmail.com> wrote in message
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Hard exercise is definitely a stressor to your body, probably a
carcinogeous
act too. The stress of "tearing your muscles down" causes many free
radicals, according to the free radical theories. My body constantly
ached,
joints and muscles. After a few years it never stopped but I found
that
body
pH was a big factor and corrected it. When you sweat you lose many
minerals
in your sweat and your blood stream, in an effort to balance the pH
robs
your bones of calcium and other minerals. Wheat and othe rgrains are
very
acid producing foods and are just wrong for heavy workout people.

Yes to all of the above! Exercise is great, but extreme exercise may
not
be. Coincidentally, I am now gluten free and many of my problems have
vanished.


I share the same experience as you have in martial arts for years and
was
sick all the time with everything going. I suspected the whirlpool
bath
was
a den of bacteria though and it made my skin very dry, so I had
theories
of
losing my hard exterior shell to outside bacteria by washing away the
oils
etc.

I did not catch colds or the flu, but more serious problems: loss of
balance, tremors, rosacea, seizures that could only be detected through
an
EEG. The neurologist wanted to put me on drugs even though he could
not
figure out what was wrong with me. I said no thank you and have
corrected
almost everything through diet except my balance and, although my
rosacea
is
not cured, it is under control without antibiotics.

Interestingly, I am experiencing some of the symptoms again, after
losing
my
fianci 1 month ago. I guess STRESS, no matter what kind, is a key
factor.

Reni


Later in years, I find that many heavy duty atheletes are much more
of
the
time also.

"Rene" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message
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Rene wrote:

Congratulations! Everyone should have such a story. I'm just
curious if you take any antioxidants along with your natural
diet?

Thanks for the kind words.

No, I don't. I get my antioxidants from fruits, veggies and green
tea.
I don't take vitamin pills either. I never saw a reason to, and
after
I had my diet analyzed a year or so ago, my thinking was
validated.

Patrick


Your welcome.

The reason I asked is that I have read more than once that a body
that
is
being exercised hard, such as yours is, the need for antioxidants
goes
way
up and the diet may not be able to provide this. When I was in my
30's
I
worked extremely hard to get my black belt in Karate (4 years) and
from
there started weight lifting and various aerobic activities.
Although
I
was
in the best shape of my life, it brought on the most health problems
I
have
ever experienced. Now, I believe it was not enough antioxidants
(maybe
even
specific antioxidants such as CoQ10), possibly a vitamin B12
deficiency
and
the fact that my body fat was only 12.5% (female).

Reni










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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: How do I avoid simple sugars? Reply with quote

I have heard this before about B12 but this would mena everybody that didn't
have injections would be B12 deficient. I doubt this is the case. Most good
B12 supplements are sublingual.

<NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
John Que wrote:
NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message
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NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:
John de Hoog wrote:

Your body recyles much of its B12 so a deficiency take take
years. So ocassionally eating meat, eggs, cheese or milk
takes
care of your B12 needs. When I had my diet analyzed I found
I
was taking in well over 600% of the RDA.

"Taking in" does not mean the body actually puts the B12 to
use.
Many people are unable to absorb enough B12 even though they
eat
lots of meat and other rich sources. A lack of intrinsic
factor,
and/or a lack of proper stomach acid, can be the immediate
cause.
Use of antibiotics and advanced age seem to be contributing
causes. One treatment is to take sublingual tablets of B12 in
sufficient amounts (1 to 5 mg) that your body will be able to
absorb the necessary few micrograms it needs.

All good info. Thanks, John.

Oh forget to mention, and relative to this thread, for these people
who
are unable to absorb B12 from food, ingesting vitamin pills with
B12
wouldn't help them either.

Sorry, but that comment is wrong if the dose used is the size
mentioned
by John de Hoog. If it is a small dose of a few micrograms or tens of
micrograms do little good. The tiny few mcg dose is what is
to be found as the maximum in EU Codex countries.
I recall that Steve Harris was willing
to admit very large PO B-12 supplementation was a workable
TX for B-12 shortage. You should be able to Google for that
thread it was back in the late 90's. I suppose I could Pubmed
the references but you really should do that yourself given
how far out of date you are.

JQ,

The information I have is dated 2002. It says ..."B12 must be injected
to bypass the need for intestinal absorption. Alternately, the vitamin
may be delivered by nasal spray; absorborption is rapid, high, and
well-tolerated."

Patrick
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: How do I avoid simple sugars? Reply with quote

The yogurt culture definitely helps the breakdown of the dairy but
homogenized dairy is a problem. I have heard many theories why but the one
that seems most applicable is the particules get broken down so fine during
the homogenization process the digestion system cannot recognize them
properly for correct digestion.

"Rene" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Piezo Guru wrote:
It doesn't matter what you buy, yogurt is a really man processed,
unatural product, promoted by the dairy industry in a falling
economy. Milk consumption is less than in the 1940s and they are
trying compensate. Now I will admit yogurt is easier for the human
digestion to utilize but to say it is "natural" means somebody has
to go back to school and rethink the word.

It has been consumed by humans for thousands of years, so again I think
it deserves the "natural" term.

Yogurt today is not yogurt of yesterday. I make my own from whole raw
milk
and do not heat it above 110.




Drink separated, homogenized, pasteurized, fortified, skimmed,
filtered, all natural milk. Somethink sound fishy to you here? You
are a product of 20 century advertising and a sucker to boot.

So no dairy at all for you I take it...?

Bread is almost as bad and as many are finding out, causing much
disease in humans.

And bread has been around for thousands of years and it hasn't killed
us off yet. If fact, in the cradle of civilization, bread has always
been a staple.

Wheat today is not wheat of yesterday either! I do not have a cite for
you,
but have read wheat from 1000s of years ago had a gluten content of about
12%. Today's wheat has a gluten content of about 51%. How much "glue"
can
a body take?

Reni




Man was not built to eat grass.

What was man built to eat?

Patrick

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Piezo Guru wrote:
What makes non-fat yogurt or whole wheat bread any more natural
than ice cream or chocolate bars for that matter?

Man has been subsisting on yogurt and whole wheat/grain bread for
thousands of years. That makes them "natural" in my book. If it
doesn't in yours, than consider them naturally good for you.

Ice cream, and I wrote _candy_ bars, are all too often filled with
all
sorts of artifical (man-made) ingredients. Try comparing the
ingredients lists and don't try to split hairs.

These are the most processed, man intervened, products consumed
today.

Depends on what you buy. If you're talking about multi-grain bread
and
"fruit" yogurts that are doctored up with artificial sweetners then
yes
they are. But _good_ plain yogurt and whole-wheat/grain bread are
no
where near the "most processed, man intervened products consumed
today." And speaking of consumed, man is not eating _enough_ of
these
two foods... and that is not good.

Patrick

Jeff, the fact is the butterballs you see are not eating
natural
foods. You don't see them stocking their shopping carts with
sweet potatoes, oranges, Brazil nuts, plain non-fat yogurt,
spinich, real maple syrup, apricots, salmon steaks, Quinoa,
green
tea, kiwis, whole-wheat bread, brocolli, black-eyed peas,
almonds, brown rice or blackberries in their simplest forms.
Instead, what you'll see is them wheeling out of the
grocery store is the unnatural foods like soda, chips, ice
cream,
prepacked dinners, hot dogs, fruit punch/drinks, candy bars,
sugar-based breakfast "cereals", and fruit chews.

Patrick




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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: How do I avoid simple sugars? Reply with quote

"Piezo Guru" <gbusey@honmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
The yogurt culture definitely helps the breakdown of the dairy but
homogenized dairy is a problem. I have heard many theories why but the one
that seems most applicable is the particules get broken down so fine
during
the homogenization process the digestion system cannot recognize them
properly for correct digestion.

http://www.realmilk.com/what.html Of course this site is a little biased;-)
Homogenization is bad, but pasteurization is even worse. Plus, look at the
additives to grocery store milk.

René



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"Rene" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message
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Piezo Guru wrote:
It doesn't matter what you buy, yogurt is a really man processed,
unatural product, promoted by the dairy industry in a falling
economy. Milk consumption is less than in the 1940s and they are
trying compensate. Now I will admit yogurt is easier for the human
digestion to utilize but to say it is "natural" means somebody has
to go back to school and rethink the word.

It has been consumed by humans for thousands of years, so again I think
it deserves the "natural" term.

Yogurt today is not yogurt of yesterday. I make my own from whole raw
milk
and do not heat it above 110.




Drink separated, homogenized, pasteurized, fortified, skimmed,
filtered, all natural milk. Somethink sound fishy to you here? You
are a product of 20 century advertising and a sucker to boot.

So no dairy at all for you I take it...?

Bread is almost as bad and as many are finding out, causing much
disease in humans.

And bread has been around for thousands of years and it hasn't killed
us off yet. If fact, in the cradle of civilization, bread has always
been a staple.

Wheat today is not wheat of yesterday either! I do not have a cite for
you,
but have read wheat from 1000s of years ago had a gluten content of about
12%. Today's wheat has a gluten content of about 51%. How much "glue"
can
a body take?

Reni




Man was not built to eat grass.

What was man built to eat?

Patrick

NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message
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Piezo Guru wrote:
What makes non-fat yogurt or whole wheat bread any more natural
than ice cream or chocolate bars for that matter?

Man has been subsisting on yogurt and whole wheat/grain bread for
thousands of years. That makes them "natural" in my book. If it
doesn't in yours, than consider them naturally good for you.

Ice cream, and I wrote _candy_ bars, are all too often filled with
all
sorts of artifical (man-made) ingredients. Try comparing the
ingredients lists and don't try to split hairs.

These are the most processed, man intervened, products consumed
today.

Depends on what you buy. If you're talking about multi-grain bread
and
"fruit" yogurts that are doctored up with artificial sweetners then
yes
they are. But _good_ plain yogurt and whole-wheat/grain bread are
no
where near the "most processed, man intervened products consumed
today." And speaking of consumed, man is not eating _enough_ of
these
two foods... and that is not good.

Patrick

Jeff, the fact is the butterballs you see are not eating
natural
foods. You don't see them stocking their shopping carts with
sweet potatoes, oranges, Brazil nuts, plain non-fat yogurt,
spinich, real maple syrup, apricots, salmon steaks, Quinoa,
green
tea, kiwis, whole-wheat bread, brocolli, black-eyed peas,
almonds, brown rice or blackberries in their simplest forms.
Instead, what you'll see is them wheeling out of the
grocery store is the unnatural foods like soda, chips, ice
cream,
prepacked dinners, hot dogs, fruit punch/drinks, candy bars,
sugar-based breakfast "cereals", and fruit chews.

Patrick






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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Imminent Danger of Worldwide Supplement Ban (CODEX) [was: Norway/German/CODEX Reply with quote

(Sorry about the top post)
It is my understanding that we will no longer be able to grow our own herbs
if they are not on the "approved list". Do you know anything about this?

René


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Anth wrote:

Quote :-

CODEX now applies to Norway and Germany, among others, where zinc tablets
rose from $4 per bottle to $52. Echinacea (an ancient immune-enhancement
herb) rose from $14 to $153 (both examples are now allowed by
prescription only). They are now "drugs". Vitamin C above 200 mg, niacin
above 32 mg, vitamin B6 above 4 mg-all are banned over-the-counter as
drugs. No amino acids (arginine, lysine, carnitine, etc. = essential
amino acids!), essential fatty acids (omegas 3, 6, 9, etc.), or other
essential supplements such as DMEA, DHEA, CoQ10, MSM, beta-carotene, etc.
are allowed.

It is far, far worse than this small quote suggests, and most of those on
this group do not seem to understand how imminent it is HERE in North
America and *why* that is so. Here is the complete message from which the
above is quoted. I urge everyone to read it in its entirety (including my
comments at the end) and then to act STRONGLY and IMMEDIATELY.

------------ Important message begins --------------

Subject: Banning of the sales of Vitamins .. worldwide ...

Read this very important health message below and contact everyone.

Your right to choose your vitamin, mineral and other supplements may end
in June of this year (2005). After that U.S. supplements will be defined
and controlled by the World Trade Organization (WTO) and the World Health
Organization (WHO). The CODEX ALIMENTARIUS (Food Code) is setting the
supplement standards for all countries in the WTO. They will be enforced
by the WTO and will override U.S. laws. The U.S. President and Congress
agreed to this take-over when the WTO Treaty was signed. Violations are
punished by WTO trade sanctions. CODEX drastically restricts vitamins,
minerals, herbs and other supplements. CODEX met secretly in November,
2004 and finalized "Step 8 (the final stage)" to begin implementation in
June, 2005.

The CODE includes:

(1) No supplement can be sold for preventive or therapeutic use.

(2) Any potency higher than RDA (minimal strength) is a "drug" requiring a
prescription and must be produced by drug companies. Over 5000 safe items
now in health stores will be banned, terminating health stores as we now
know them.

(3) CODEX regulations become binding internationally.

(4) New supplements are banned unless given very expensive CODEX testing
and approval.

CODEX now applies to Norway and Germany, among others, where zinc tablets
rose from $4 per bottle to $52. Echinacea (an ancient immune-enhancement
herb) rose from $14 to $153 (both examples are now allowed by prescription
only). They are now "drugs". Vitamin C above 200 mg, niacin above 32 mg,
vitamin B6 above 4 mg-all are banned over-the-counter as drugs. No amino
acids (arginine, lysine, carnitine, etc. = essential amino acids!),
essential fatty acids (omegas 3, 6, 9, etc.), or other essential
supplements such as DMEA, DHEA, CoQ10, MSM,
beta-carotene, etc. are allowed.

The CODEX rules are not based on real science. They are made by a few
people meeting in secret (see web sites below), not necessarily
scientists. In 1993 the FDA and drug corporations tried to put all
supplements under restriction and prescription. But over 4 million
Americans told Congress and the President to protect their freedom of
choice on health supplements. The DSHEA Law was passed in 1994, which does
so. But this will be overruled by CODEX and the World Trade Organization.

Virtually nothing about it has been in the media. What the drug
corporations have failed to do through Congress they have gotten by sneak
attack through CODEX with the help of a silent media. What can be done at
this late hour?

(1) Spread the word as much as possible. Inform yourselves fully at

http://www.ahha.org, http://www.iahf.com, and
http://www.alliance-natural-health.org .

(2) Oppose bills S.722 and H.R.3377. These support the CODEX restrictions
with U.S. laws, changing the DSHEA law.

(3) Support H.R.1146 which would restore the sovereignty of the U.S.
Constitution over CODEX, etc.

(4) Express your wishes to the President, Senators and Representatives
(They got us into this!) ASAP.

(5) Contact multi-level health marketing groups that can get their members
to inform the government.

(6) Send donations, however small, to the British Alliance for Natural
Health (see web site above). It has succeeded in challenging the CODEX
directives in World Court later this month or next. They need help
financially, having carried the fight effectively for everyone. CODEX and
the FDA wish to protect us by controlling supplements in the same way they
do prescription drugs. A study of the latter by three medical scientists
was reported in the Journal of the American Medical Association, April 15,
1998-Vol. 279, No. 15, p. 1200 ".Incidence of Adverse Drug Reactions
(ADR's) was found to be extremely high."
Covering 30 years (1966 to 1996) it was found that in the U.S. an average
of 106,000 hospitalized patients per year (290 per day)! die from ADR's
and 2,200,000 need more hospitalization for recovery. These were FDA
approved drugs, properly administered by competent professionals in
hospitals--none were considered malpractice. This is the number four cause
of death in the U.S. When combined, these account for 7% of all
hospitalized patients. This is equivalent to a 9-11 attack every ten days.
There are very few fatalities from supplements or the news would be on
every front page. There is no need for more FDA control of supplements
than is already in place, which is substantial. Instead of drastically
restricting supplements, why doesn't the FDA better control and restrict
the extremely dangerous pharmaceutical drugs which are now killing us at
the rate of a major airline crash per day?

Wallace G. Heath, Ph.D.

1145 Marine Drive Bellingham, WA 98225

-------------------------------

Comment by Paul Wakfer:

If this takes place, not only all supplement stores, but all supplement
suppliers will be out of business. All of us who are taking large doses of
supplements will have nothing left but food, caloric restriction and
exercise for disease prevention and life extension, plus those few things
we will be able to buy "underground". However, just as with proscribed
narcotic drugs, these underground sources will be expensive, of
questionable purity and many may even be operated by violent criminal
types. Is this the environment of fear and uncertainty within which you
want to purchase your supplements?

While many readers of the MoreLife Yahoo group and the Morelife.org and
SelfSIP.org websites will realize that it is not normally my and Kitty's
method to have any "truck" with government as long as we can avoid it, in
this case we are fighting for our very lives! If CODEX is implemented as
designed and is adhered to by all major countries, then the entire
supplement supply industry as it is currently practiced, particularly in
North America, will be instantly gone and our chance for a continued
healthy existence into old age and beyond will be drastically reduced
(practically to zero). This CODEX nonsense MUST BE STOPPED from invading
any more countries and I most strongly urge everyone to do whatever s/he
can to stop it from happening. This is not the time to shrug and say
"someone else will stop it, why should I bother myself". If you wish to
have any chance to maximize your lifetime happiness, you must act NOW.


--Paul Wakfer

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Imminent Danger of Worldwide Supplement Ban (CODEX) [was: Norway/German/CODEX Reply with quote

Rene wrote:

Quote:
(Sorry about the top post)
It is my understanding that we will no longer be able to grow our own herbs
if they are not on the "approved list". Do you know anything about this?

Oh, it's worse than that! You won't even be able to possess
a food dehydrator because that can be used to concentrate
the nutrients in foods such as spinach! Florida orange growers
are complaining because frozen orange juice concentrate will
be illegal -- only 100% natural dilution levels will be allowed.
The only exemptions are certain dried fruits, such as raisens,
prunes, apricots, and sun-dried tomatoes. Also, meats will be
exempt, such as beef jerky. Hope this helps! Smile
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