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Clyde Martling
medicine forum beginner


Joined: 09 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:03 am    Post subject: Re: Warren Buffet's 37 billion and nothing for anti-aging research ! Reply with quote

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Our planet is suffering from massive overpopulation that is
unsustainable and could lead to the entire destruction of mankind.

Any widespread effort to promote anti-aging is irresponsible until
we can reduce the population and selectively apply any anti-aging
benefits to only the most valuable people.


I'm always amused by the mindset that some folks are more important
than others. It's always been my question as well ... who gets to
decide.

How do we decide which works of literature are better than others?
How do we decide which composers are worthy of study?

Somehow, those best educated in those matters are able to make
intelligent decisions. I understand many people lack this ability, but
that does not make it impossible for all to do.

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I also think population pressure isn't necessarily bad as it can force
expansion and evolution. Plenty of unsettled plots on the moon and
mars! Wink

And your idea of a sensible goal is to first turn the first world
into third world population densities? Don't you realize that
overpopulation is what keeps other nations from their potential?

Quality, not quantity, will advance humanity. We have very limited
resources to go around and too many people.
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Ron Peterson
medicine forum Guru Wannabe


Joined: 18 May 2005
Posts: 181

PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Eating Fish Helps Protect Eyesight Reply with quote

medianext05 wrote:
Quote:
Eating Fish Helps Protect Eyesight
Check the link:
http://www.fishfundas.blogspot.com

The reasoning seems weak. I don't see how omega-3 fatty acids have
radical scavenging behaviour.

There doesn't seem to be any evidence of benefit for nutritional
supplements (vitamins and omega-3 fatty acids) to prevent cataracts.

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Ron
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monty1945@lycos.com
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Joined: 02 Apr 2006
Posts: 93

PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Eating Fish Helps Protect Eyesight Reply with quote

Yes, Ron, this is beyond ludicrous. Because I don't see the point of
making the same case over and over again here for the latest crop of
newbies with wearing fish oil tinted eyeglasses, I will refer anyone
who wants to know the scientific reality to my site,
http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-/

There is an essay on the left that discusses things you are not being
told about fish oil (by the mainstream media), for those not interested
in some of the other topics I cover on the site. If you have
questions, click on the nutritional message board and post them there,
and I will get back to you, usually within 48 hours.
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Ron Peterson
medicine forum Guru Wannabe


Joined: 18 May 2005
Posts: 181

PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Eating Fish Helps Protect Eyesight Reply with quote

monty1945@lycos.com wrote:
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Yes, Ron, this is beyond ludicrous. ...

No, I just think the reasoning is weak. A researcher told me that
omega-3 reduction in AMD is there. I think that the structure of the
phospholipids is part of the key. IIRC, each phospholipid molecule
needs one saturated fatty acid and one PUFA.

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Matti Narkia
medicine forum Guru


Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Posts: 425

PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Eating Fish Helps Protect Eyesight Reply with quote

On 17 Jul 2006 09:05:14 -0700, "Ron Peterson" <ron@shell.core.com>
wrote:
Quote:

medianext05 wrote:
Eating Fish Helps Protect Eyesight
Check the link:
http://www.fishfundas.blogspot.com

The two studies referred by the above link are


Seddon JM, George S, Rosner B.
Cigarette Smoking, Fish Consumption, Omega-3 Fatty Acid Intake, and
Associations With Age-Related Macular Degeneration: The US Twin Study
of Age-Related Macular Degeneration.
Arch Ophthalmol. 2006 Jul;124(7):995-1001.
PMID: 16832023 [PubMed - in process]
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16832023>

"CONCLUSIONS: This study of twins provides further evidence that
cigarette smoking increases risk while fish consumption and
omega-3 fatty acid intake reduce risk of AMD."

Chua B, Flood V, Rochtchina E, Wang JJ, Smith W, Mitchell P. Dietary
Fatty acids and the 5-year incidence of age-related maculopathy.
Arch Ophthalmol. 2006 Jul;124(7):981-6.
PMID: 16832021 [PubMed - in process]
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16832021>

"CONCLUSIONS: A regular diet high in n-3 polyunsaturated fat,
especially from fish, suggests protection against early and late
ARM in this older Australian cohort. Our study could not confirm
deleterious effects of higher polyunsaturated fat intakes reported
by other clinic-based studies."

Comments on the latter:

MedlinePlus: Dietary fish oils may lower risk of eye disease
<http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_36001.html>

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The reasoning seems weak. I don't see how omega-3 fatty acids have
radical scavenging behaviour.

It seems that you didn't even read the article. I suggest that you

have a look at the above two studies it was based on.

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There doesn't seem to be any evidence of benefit for nutritional
supplements (vitamins and omega-3 fatty acids) to prevent cataracts.

Cataracts? The article and the studies are about macular degeneration.
Do you have any clue about the difference between cataracts and
macular degeneration? It seems that you don't, therefore FYI the
following links:

Medem: Medical Library: Macular Degeneration
<http://www.medem.com/medlb/article_detaillb.cfm?article_ID=ZZZJ4YZNH4C&sub_cat=2013>

Age-Related Macular Degeneration [NEI Health Information]
<http://www.nei.nih.gov/health/maculardegen/armd_facts.asp>

Macular degeneration - MayoClinic.com
<http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/macular-degeneration/DS00284>

JAMA -- Age-Related Macular Degeneration, May 24/31, 2006, Parmet et
al. 295 (20): 2438
<http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/295/20/2438<

MedlinePlus Interactive Tutorials: Macular Degeneration
<http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/tutorials/maculardegeneration/htm/index.htm>

MedlinePlus: Macular Degeneration
<http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/maculardegeneration.html>

Medem: Medical Library: Cataract
<http://www.medem.com/medlb/article_detaillb.cfm?article_ID=ZZZSXEVUF4C&sub_cat=119>

Cataracts [NEI Health Information]
<http://www.nei.nih.gov/health/cataract/cataract_facts.asp>

Cataract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cataract>

MedlinePlus: Cataract
<http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/cataract.html>


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Matti Narkia
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Ron Peterson
medicine forum Guru Wannabe


Joined: 18 May 2005
Posts: 181

PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Eating Fish Helps Protect Eyesight Reply with quote

Matti Narkia wrote:

Quote:
It seems that you didn't even read the article. I suggest that you
have a look at the above two studies it was based on.

Reading the studies, I found no reference to radical scavenging as
mentioned in the article.

Quote:
There doesn't seem to be any evidence of benefit for nutritional
supplements (vitamins and omega-3 fatty acids) to prevent cataracts.

Cataracts? The article and the studies are about macular degeneration.
Do you have any clue about the difference between cataracts and
macular degeneration? It seems that you don't, therefore FYI the
following links:

I was mentioning what a researcher told me in a personal conversation.
I thought it was relevant to the subject matter of the thread, although
not mentioned by the original poster.

I am convinced in the benefits of omega-3 fatty acids and take a fish
oil supplement and try to eat a reasonable amount of seafood which
isn't that easy to get in the midwest.

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