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outsor@citynet.net
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 7:41 pm    Post subject: Re: SOY: "Fab Bean or Has-Been?": Another U.S. Fad On The Skids? Reply with quote

"Totally scientific."

"http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html"

"Totaly would imply looking at all the research done on a question. The
above link and web site is far from a reliable source of the range and
results of soy or any research topic. For each of its "bad" study one or
more can be shown showing the direct oppisite. This is the normal state
of science on a complex question until the many various factors involved
are shaken out by multiple studies and ways of answering questions. The
price site is an agenda driven source of information, it is not evidence
and science driven. One can find its oppisite agenda driven sites also,
ignor both, both are lifestyle agenda propaganda tools.
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mtbiker78
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:04 pm    Post subject: WTF????? Reply with quote

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Dave
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:29 am    Post subject: Re: Nutritional breakdown with food purchases Reply with quote

Repost to sci.med.nutrition

Dave wrote:

Quote:
I have decided that it is a good idea to get a complete nutritional
breakdown that I can look up online from all the food I have purchased.
At the moment most information is printed on the back of packets, and
it is too much bother to read it all. Thing like apples you'd need to
read in a chart.

This could be extended so that if I were shopping for groceries on-line
I would know what I was getting before buying, and if e.g. I was buying
too much food high in saturated fat.

It may not be any good at the end of the day, since if you bought a
litre of cooking oil this would put the fat figures way up, but I'm
sure it would work for ready meals, and fruit/veg.

Since I often use a debit card the shop knows who I am, so I should be
able to see a record of my purchases, and the related info. This could
be tied to an "expert system" which could say you're not buying enough
fibre.

I yet don't know how eating out fits into this. Hamburgers are a know
commodity, so if you paid by card you could get the info sent to you
via email. (Families where the teenagers just eat chips are another
issue.)

That brings another issue which is that there are no good systems I
know of for companies sending you electronic data that you can put
easily and securely out into your own database. Could you get an XML
attachment to an email which is automatically processed, assuming you
allow the company to update your data? This is because you may want
the same data from several entities, like a couple of supermarkets, and
a couple of restaurants. Does Vista offer facilities like this?

The best I know of is CSV download or attachment, and manual import.
How about a web link where you download the information automatically?
You probably want a merge with your pedometer/ pulse meter data to see
if your calorific requirements increase, a total nutritional anaylsis
program.

From http://win.niddk.nih.gov/statistics/index.htm
The cost of obesity is like $117 billion so should be worth investment.
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Mr-Natural-Health
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:03 pm    Post subject: Natural Remedies For Anxiety and Panic Attacks Reply with quote

Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:

Quote:
Natural home remedies are increasingly popular for
treating a wide range of conditions. You shall read about
new ways to promote wellness - ways that are close to
nature.

How about a natural approach that actually works?

The solution is really simple.

Eliminate all caffeine, alcohol, and sugar from your diet. Try
exercising.

Perform deep breathing exercises.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/resilience/deep-breathing.html

Bharat (aka India), US, UK and many other countries
are full of people who are addicted to alcohol, caffeine
and sugar. Most lack the discipline to control the
intake of these substances. To those hundreds of
millions, the solution you offer isn't all that simple.

Nonsense, and I don't mind saying so. :)

You just do it one step at a time.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/diettips.html

One of the first steps that anyone takes to eat healthy is to change
their diet, one step at a time.

Anybody who advocates perfection as the very first step is a health
fraud.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/perfectionism.html

Only mush depends on a doctor-patient relationship for their health
needs.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/gnu-dictionary/Wellness.html
--
John Gohde,
Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the
mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the
Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and
sharper terminology than ever before.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/
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outsor@citynet.net
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Chinese remedy 'treats diabetes' Reply with quote

"You know, if we knew that diabetes occurred because of the absence of
this extract in the diet, then I might just believe that this would be the
correct treatment and a sure-fire cure. But somehow, I don't think that
that is the case.

You didn't read the article, go back and read it and see what process is
affected by the extract.
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outsor@citynet.net
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Chinese remedy 'treats diabetes' Reply with quote

Thank you for finally reading the article. Carb intake is also not the
cause of diabetes. While glucose intake limits can reverse many symptoms,
but not in all people, it is also not a cure for it either. On
reflecction, you can see your original remarks were not relevant to the
article, the present ones only slightly more so. The effective treatment
for diabetes is one which matches the available insulin production to
glucose intake, and approaches such as this can affect one side of that
equation.

"So it messes with the bodies natural ability to limit the production of
insulin.

It does nothing to remedy the reason why the body needs to produce
inordinate amounts of insulin, which is high blood sugar levels caused
by overconsumption of foods that inordinately increase blood sugar
levels ie. refined carbs.

Reduce the overconsumption of refined carbs and your blood sugar levels
will remain within normal ranges and the pancreas is not forced to
overproduce insulin.

It isn't the absence of this extract that caused the diabete t2 in the
first place, why the frig would we want to waste time with that crap.
Deal with the cause and resolve the disease. We do not need any more
"slightly better than a sugar pill" pretend treatments."
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:42 pm    Post subject: Re: SOY: "Fab Bean or Has-Been?": Another U.S. Fad On The Skids? Reply with quote

"huge amount of science I just posted."

I will not waste my or the other readr's time collecting research showing
the oppisite of those cherry picked you provided. I made my point, the
cults and you cherry pick research and obscure the real range of the
science which has no definite word. The area of caution is about the use
of isolates of soy and not for soy as a food product. That you repeated a
cherry picking routine puts you in the cults as to spinning th science of
the topic.
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(akula)
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:21 am    Post subject: Re: Nothing happening here? Mjølnër warezfaq Reply with quote

On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:32:40 +0930, phlatÅrse
<phlatÅrse@0lympic.icons.ret> wrote:

Quote:
Mjølnër <mjolner@warezfaq.com>, wrapped the laughing gear
around someone's dick to suck down:

In <3f20060617005115Z.20077070479@nntp1.sharks.plc.ltd>, on Sat, 17 Jun 2006
00:51:15 -0000, "(akula)" <akula@sharks.plc.ltd> wrote:

faux "(akula)" <akula@sharks.plc.ltd> wrote:

I'd appreciate it if _no_one_ sent a complaint to giganews about
Blackhorse's latest nymshift.

[...]
It all just goes to show you, Zeke, that the kOOks all think alike.
[...]

You don't even understand the concept of usenet kookery. Walk
over to a mirror if you want to see what one looks like.

He does not have your picture taped to his mirror- you must be thinking of Les
or anadvoperv.

No one here has forged you, Mjolner or Zeke. I'd rather unplug
than use any of your nyms and I suspect most other people feel
that way too.

mjolner@warezfaq.com

Forge that and lose your account. Someone did do it, 10 months or so ago, once
or twice. A warning to the miscreant sufficed.

..you really want that tested?

He might not, but I do, stalker. I triple-dog dare you to duplicate
my posting particulars! <BG>

Quote:
You forget, there are folks watching who do not play as nice as some of the regular
good folk here.

Ooooh! You scare us SO much, fatass! <g>

Quote:
IMO..an arsehole like you deserves every piece of angst you gather to your chest..suck on that.

Why?

Quote:
Your particulars are as insubstantial as cotton candy, you cannot be forged,
only frogged, not a TOS-able offense at _most_ NSPs or ISPs.

..pigs arse. You have proved time and again UR are a bloated
knowall pharkall with piss and wind as your mainstay.
The s**t you pull anyone at base level can do..often smarter
than your example.
Conjure up some more nyms to frogg and we shall see how
pharking big your balls actually are :-/

Go and address some issues you have with your Padre..prayer may be the only
avenue left for you after your CEO finishes kicking your arse on Monday:-}

pA (_0_)

Lookie, everyone! The gay blade is advertising he's "open for
business"! The 'fatass' is all lubed up and stretched out. Get it
while you can, fags. The email is ChrisCaputo@alt.nut

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==================================================================

From: Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net>
Newsgroups: alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc.d, [...] altnet.general
Subject: Re: KRIS KAPUTO KONDUCTS K00KY KROSSPOSTING KRUSADE !!!
Date: 28 Sep 2003 01:06:42 GMT
Message-ID: <bl5c72$eui$0@207.14.113.2>
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I'd love to have more details on how to get cookies relating to one site
while browsing another.

Chris

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I'm sure you would, Chris...I'm sure you would.
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Mjølnër
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:26 am    Post subject: Re: Nothing happening here? Mjølnër warezfaq Reply with quote

In <587792hp11hlshs5e1ph9tf8hkl8qjn65q@4ax.com>, on Sat, 17 Jun 2006 02:21:59
-0400, "(akula)" <akula@sharks.plc.ltd> wrote:

Quote:
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:32:40 +0930, phlatÅrse
phlatÅrse@0lympic.icons.ret> wrote:

Mjølnër <mjolner@warezfaq.com>, wrapped the laughing gear
around someone's dick to suck down:

In <3f20060617005115Z.20077070479@nntp1.sharks.plc.ltd>, on Sat, 17 Jun 2006
00:51:15 -0000, "(akula)" <akula@sharks.plc.ltd> wrote:

faux "(akula)" <akula@sharks.plc.ltd> wrote:

I'd appreciate it if _no_one_ sent a complaint to giganews about
Blackhorse's latest nymshift.

[...]
It all just goes to show you, Zeke, that the kOOks all think alike.
[...]

You don't even understand the concept of usenet kookery. Walk
over to a mirror if you want to see what one looks like.

He does not have your picture taped to his mirror- you must be thinking of Les
or anadvoperv.

No one here has forged you, Mjolner or Zeke. I'd rather unplug
than use any of your nyms and I suspect most other people feel
that way too.

mjolner@warezfaq.com

Forge that and lose your account. Someone did do it, 10 months or so ago, once
or twice. A warning to the miscreant sufficed.

..you really want that tested?

He might not, but I do, stalker. I triple-dog dare you to duplicate
my posting particulars! <BG

You forget, there are folks watching who do not play as nice as some of the regular
good folk here.

Ooooh! You scare us SO much, fatass! <g

IMO..an arsehole like you deserves every piece of angst you gather to your chest..suck on that.

Why?

Your particulars are as insubstantial as cotton candy, you cannot be forged,
only frogged, not a TOS-able offense at _most_ NSPs or ISPs.

..pigs arse. You have proved time and again UR are a bloated
knowall pharkall with piss and wind as your mainstay.
The s**t you pull anyone at base level can do..often smarter
than your example.
Conjure up some more nyms to frogg and we shall see how
pharking big your balls actually are :-/

Go and address some issues you have with your Padre..prayer may be the only
avenue left for you after your CEO finishes kicking your arse on Monday:-}

pA (_0_)

Lookie, everyone! The gay blade is advertising he's "open for
business"! The 'fatass' is all lubed up and stretched out. Get it
while you can, fags. The email is ChrisCaputo@alt.nut

It's more, or should I say less, than that.
He wankered on and on and said nothing.

You've proven he's a phony, but he's too stupid to realize when the jig is up.

Just another akookla kook-farm sock, they use their bullshit for fertilizer,
which is why the socks are so plentiful.

Cya



Mjølnër

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outsor@city-net.net
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:23 pm    Post subject: Re: More support for cinnamon extract benefits for diabetics Reply with quote

"What is with this one-substance solution mind set?

How about just cutting refined carbs? That will do more to control
blood glucose levels than all of the cinnamon extracts and pharmacopia
available to man. Remove the cause of the problem and you resolve the
problem."

Refined carbs is not the "cause" of diabetes. Insulin resistance is high
in diabetics as a whole and the insulin helps in that regard by acting as
an insulin mimic for those diabetics who no longer produce enough.
Balancing glucose intake with available insulin is always good diabetes
treatment, and cinnamon helps on one side of that equation.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:25 am    Post subject: Re: Can nutrients be addictive? Reply with quote

In article <eogj92lqh9pquruur6g45gmqfgtrc1rkle@4ax.com>,
Jim Chinnis <jchinnis@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

Quote:
Honey has been around a hell of a long time. We haven't tinkered
with bees much, but the bees do feed on different flora now.

Don't forget the locusts! The locusts are an important part of the diet.

Mark.1.6: And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of
a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey;

:-)

DRT
I'm sticking with barbeque.
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Susan
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:42 am    Post subject: Re: Comments on new AHA recommendations Reply with quote

x-no-archive: yes

David R. Throop wrote:

Quote:
Jim, let me get back to you on that. My 11-mo old daughter pulled the
cord out of my computer just as Firefox was saving and my bookmarks
are all messed up. And I'm leaving town for a week. I owe you an
answer, OK?

Save yourself a lot of trouble and eyestrain. There is no such evidence
that I could find in months of searching.

I can't beLIEVE I once gave up cheeses and half n half in my coffee for
years for no reason.

Susan <happy ham and brie eater>
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Kumar
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:31 am    Post subject: Re: Can nutrients be addictive? Reply with quote

marcia wrote:
Quote:
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
marcia wrote:
Nooooo. I believe in empirical evidence, though. Your Doc John profile
brings up the following information:

*******************************************************
John Gohde
Nickname: Mr-Natural-Health, formerly known as John 'the Man'
Location: Richmond, VA, USA
Email address: johngohde @ naturalhealthperspective.com
Website or Blog: http://naturalhealthperspective.com

Quote:
An advocate of the healing power of nature, I like to comment on the
human condition. I function as William Shakespeare's Chorus and Howdy
Doody's Peanut Gallery on these newsgroups.
*******************************************************

Since you're apparently so good at writing fiction, maybe you can
conjure up an interesting explanation for this?

All you Geeks are mentally slow. And, you guys have been doing a
excellent job of exposing just how dull your brain power actually is.

You are just now pondering what us Quacks knew a 100 years ago.

I recommend that you call up Coast-to-Coast tonight and tell them about
your conspiracy theory. I am sure that a few callers will claim to
have been abducted by aliens. Hey, why don't you use remote viewing to
visit me in Richmond?

Boy, are you mentally slow. And, I do not mind saying so. :)

You have my condolences.


Are you what they call a "sock puppet"?

Maybe you can explain how all three of you have AOL accounts that
connect to the internet using IP addresses that place *ALL THREE OF
YOU* in *EXACTLY THE SAME CITY* (which, incidentally, is not Richmond,
VA)? Perhaps you can explain how you are all using the same type of
computer, with the same Windows '98 operating system, and the same
browser? Are you neighbors? Brothers? Co-workers? C'mon, think fast!

How far would you like me to go with this little investigation? Because
the more you deny the truth, the more motivated I feel to pursue it.

Keep going writing... prove that *I'm* the one who's mentally slow. Smile

All,

Pls try to concentrate on topic subject and contribute whatever you
can.

Whether establishing of local long term blood flow regulations of
increasing and decreasing the size and numbers of arteries (which may
be due to addictive substance or excess or deficient nutrients) can be
a reason o expressing/getting addiction, physical dependance,
physiological tollerance etc.?

Can't excesses or deficiencies of nutrients trigger and establish
local long term blood flow regulations to save tissues from toxicities
or defficiencies of these as per need?

Can nutients be toxic or harmful to target and other tissues, if
exposed to them in excess?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:36 am    Post subject: Re: Danger in Your Water Reply with quote

nyscof@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
Prevention Magazine Fluoridation Article published

"The Danger in Your Water Fluoride has been tied to bone cancer,
lower IQs, and osteoporosis. So why is it still being added to your
water? " by Timothy Gower.

http://www.prevention.com/water/fluoride_home

It is still being added to water because there is a rule/law that
requires utilities to add it or they will receive a hefty fine. If you
want the fluoride removed from our water then more people in this
country have to raise their voices about removing it. There are a great
many individuals who work at water plants that would love to stop
adding it, but can't because they are required to due to the law/rule.

Linda
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Autointoxication and yogurt enemas have a very STRONG scientific basis Reply with quote

Doc John wrote:
Quote:
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html
The John Harvey Kellogg story gets even more interesting boys and girls
and Science Geeks. :)

Kellogg received his medical degree in 1875. The official birth of
biomedicine took place in 1876. In 1910, the Flexner Report comes out.
Where does Kellogg update his medical education, but in Europe.
Precisely where the best schools of scientific medicine are located,
for his time period.

He was chosen to get a medical degree in order to try to give his
health views some credibility. It worked for a while but we know better
now.

Quote:

In 1917, Kellogg published a paper in JAMA where he claims to have
successfully treated 40,000 patients suffering from gastrointestinal
disease with enemas.

I told you he loved buttocks. You may need to define "successfully".
Just because he cleaned out their colons does not equate to success or
actually healing a disease.

Quote:

What is Kellogg known for if it is not his interest in indigestion,
autointoxication, and use of yogurt enemas?

He is known for selling nutrient-deficient cereals, advocating enemas,
advocating circumcision of young boys without anethesia to discourage
masturbation and advocating dabbing an acid onto young girls clitori
for the same purpose. He is also known to remove portions of hundred of
peoples colons when his enemas were ineffective. Face it, the man was
nuts.

Quote:

So the problem boys and girls and Science Geeks, is nothing but one of
modernizing terminology. :)

Translate indigestion and gastrointestinal disease into IBS and bingo,
you have a clear winner. Smile Kellogg successfully treated 40,000
patients suffering from IBS and was able to manage and in some cases
cure the disease with yogurt enemas.

He did not successfully treat anyone by any modern definition. All he
did was pump crap thru their colons.

Quote:

It was not until the new millennium, that scientific research has
proven that some forms of IBS are in fact caused by excess bacterial in
the small intestine. A health condition that can in fact be
successfully treated with antibiotics.

Actually, it is well known that most IBS and other chronic diseases are
caused by the very products that Kellogg sold to the American people.
Grains. And the problem is not excess bateria in the gut but the wrong
bacteria in the gut, which occurs when one intestinal flora is affested
by excessive grains in the diet. Moron.

Quote:

Sorry to break the bad news to you Science Geeks, but the facts clearly
show that John Harvey Kellogg was in fact a scientific physician in
every sense of the word, given his time period. That autointoxication
as cause of IBS has in fact a very STRONG scientific basis to it. And,
that flushing out the intestines with yogurt enemas in fact has a very
STRONG scientistic basis for managing the symptoms of IBS. Smile

Simply wrong. Just because YOU say it is scientific does not make it
scientific. Kellogg never let science interfere with his "facts", and
neither do you.

Quote:

All that you Geeks have to do is modernize Kellogg's terminology. :)

Feel free, Geeks, to prove me wrong. History is on my side. Smile
--
Doc John
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html

History *has* proven you wrong. You appear to the the only one who
fails to grasp that simple fact.

TC
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