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VBH
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: The Splendor Of Splenda? Reply with quote

omega wrote:
Quote:
that's a good point about the groups that funded all of this research.
I also read that in the EU an ammendment had to be made for it to be
approved. Here is the article I read:
http://www.foodnavigator.com/news/news-NG.asp?n=57688-splenda-faces-new


Perhaps you should read this one:
http://www.food.gov.uk/foodindustry/Consultations/completed_consultations/completconsultscot/scotsweetenersconsult

The amendment (ooooh! scary!) was an amendment to the law to allow the
use of those sweeteners.

i.e. approving it.

Or did you think that approval happened without amending the law
permitting substances to be used as an additive?

It's important when looking at these issues to look at all angles, not
just the "anti" lobby with their propaganda based on their own agenda
(everyone should live in trees and eat only nuts)

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: HEALTH THREAT! Reply with quote

On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:22:47 -0500, "Piezo Guru" <gbusey@honmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:
When does this become effective in Canada? The health professionals have
never noticed.


Well, I live in Ontario and I have a bottle of 500 mg/tablet Vitamin
C in my cupboard right now. My wife, who does the shopping, says she
still sees the 1000 mg/tablet bottles on the shelves of the
Pharmacies.

rr
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Carol Frilegh
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: The Splendor Of Splenda? Reply with quote

In article <36d6ekF51l20hU1@individual.net>, VBH <dummy@nospam.com>
wrote:

Quote:
omega wrote:
that's a good point about the groups that funded all of this research.
I also read that in the EU an ammendment had to be made for it to be
approved. Here is the article I read:
http://www.foodnavigator.com/news/news-NG.asp?n=57688-splenda-faces-new


Perhaps you should read this one:

http://www.food.gov.uk/foodindustry/Consultations/completed_consultations/comp
letconsultscot/scotsweetenersconsult

The amendment (ooooh! scary!) was an amendment to the law to allow the
use of those sweeteners.

i.e. approving it.

Or did you think that approval happened without amending the law
permitting substances to be used as an additive?

It's important when looking at these issues to look at all angles, not
just the "anti" lobby with their propaganda based on their own agenda
(everyone should live in trees and eat only nuts)

Everyone should not live in trees and eat nuts but people with chemical
sensitivities and gastric illness do not do well with artiificial
sweeteners. Ironically saaccharine is OK for them even though it is a
chemical and it has received a clean bill of health after theyears of
the Bladder cancer in rats studies were refuted.

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VBH
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: The Splendor Of Splenda? Reply with quote

Carol Frilegh wrote:
Quote:
In article <36d6ekF51l20hU1@individual.net>, VBH <dummy@nospam.com
wrote:


omega wrote:

that's a good point about the groups that funded all of this research.
I also read that in the EU an ammendment had to be made for it to be
approved. Here is the article I read:
http://www.foodnavigator.com/news/news-NG.asp?n=57688-splenda-faces-new


Perhaps you should read this one:

http://www.food.gov.uk/foodindustry/Consultations/completed_consultations/comp
letconsultscot/scotsweetenersconsult

The amendment (ooooh! scary!) was an amendment to the law to allow the
use of those sweeteners.

i.e. approving it.

Or did you think that approval happened without amending the law
permitting substances to be used as an additive?

It's important when looking at these issues to look at all angles, not
just the "anti" lobby with their propaganda based on their own agenda
(everyone should live in trees and eat only nuts)


Everyone should not live in trees and eat nuts but people with chemical
sensitivities and gastric illness do not do well with artiificial
sweeteners. Ironically saaccharine is OK for them even though it is a
chemical and it has received a clean bill of health after theyears of
the Bladder cancer in rats studies were refuted.


People have chemical sensitivities to specific chemicals.

Water is a chemical. Oxygen is a chemical. I really do pity anyone
with a chemical sentitivity to either of those - although it would be brief.

People with chemical sensitivities and gastric illness have do not do
well with specific "artificial" sweeteners. You cannot classify things
as simply as that - as you have said yourself with saccharine.

Most of the "artificial" sweeteners on the market involve aspatame or
acesulfame - for which there is a specific rare allergy.

Frankly, sugar does not grow in a white crystalline form in a bag. It
has to be processed in one way or another to turn it into what people
think of as sugar.

I guess that makes it "artificial".

The labels "artificial" and "natural" are constantly used as terms for
"good" and "bad".

Chemistry and biochemistry do not work that way.
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Buck
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Soda or juice? Reply with quote

Well let's say Pepsi. By the way is soda bad for you? Aside from the
sugar.

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:08:23 +0100, "MMu" <brilhasti@gmx.net> wrote:

Quote:
I was thinking about cutting back on the soda I drank and drinking
more fruit juices because soda has too much sugar, but doesn't fruit
juice contain a lot of sugar too? Which one has more sugar?

this depends on the kind of soda and the kind of fruit juice- both can have
a quite high ammount-
usually soda has more sugar and of course a lot less vitamins though..
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Carol Frilegh
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: The Splendor Of Splenda? Reply with quote

In article <36daslF4v45mkU1@individual.net>, VBH <dummy@nospam.com>
wrote:

Quote:
Carol Frilegh wrote:
In article <36d6ekF51l20hU1@individual.net>, VBH <dummy@nospam.com
wrote:


omega wrote:

that's a good point about the groups that funded all of this research.
I also read that in the EU an ammendment had to be made for it to be
approved. Here is the article I read:
http://www.foodnavigator.com/news/news-NG.asp?n=57688-splenda-faces-new


Perhaps you should read this one:


http://www.food.gov.uk/foodindustry/Consultations/completed_consultations/
comp
letconsultscot/scotsweetenersconsult

The amendment (ooooh! scary!) was an amendment to the law to allow the
use of those sweeteners.

i.e. approving it.

Or did you think that approval happened without amending the law
permitting substances to be used as an additive?

It's important when looking at these issues to look at all angles, not
just the "anti" lobby with their propaganda based on their own agenda
(everyone should live in trees and eat only nuts)


Everyone should not live in trees and eat nuts but people with chemical
sensitivities and gastric illness do not do well with artiificial
sweeteners. Ironically saaccharine is OK for them even though it is a
chemical and it has received a clean bill of health after theyears of
the Bladder cancer in rats studies were refuted.


People have chemical sensitivities to specific chemicals.

Water is a chemical. Oxygen is a chemical. I really do pity anyone
with a chemical sentitivity to either of those - although it would be brief.

People with chemical sensitivities and gastric illness have do not do
well with specific "artificial" sweeteners. You cannot classify things
as simply as that - as you have said yourself with saccharine.

Most of the "artificial" sweeteners on the market involve aspatame or
acesulfame - for which there is a specific rare allergy.

Frankly, sugar does not grow in a white crystalline form in a bag. It
has to be processed in one way or another to turn it into what people
think of as sugar.

I guess that makes it "artificial".

The labels "artificial" and "natural" are constantly used as terms for
"good" and "bad".

Chemistry and biochemistry do not work that way.

Well I'll be more specific. I follow the Specific Carbohyrate Diet for
celiac disease, Crohn's, IBS and Ulcertative Colitis. We don't use
aspartame or much stevia. We do use saccharine a processed chemical and
honey, a carb that has been predigested by bees. We use nuts ground
into flour instead of grain, rice or potato flour.

The diet has proved very effective and recently was found helpful for
autism. About 80% of the children on a listerv of 1300 have shown
improvement or lost their autism diagnosis. Working on the list for
four years and forming a close bond with the author who is a research
biologist has been very educational. T

he food we use adapts well to excellent recipes. It is not processed
but is also not exotic and can be found in any comprehensively stocked
market. Obese on the diet must be watchful as the honey, nuts, avocado
and permitted dairy products tend to be calorie dense.

http://breakingtheviciouscycle.info/

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The Real Bev
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: The Splendor Of Splenda? Reply with quote

Carol Frilegh wrote:

Quote:
Everyone should not live in trees and eat nuts but people with chemical
sensitivities and gastric illness do not do well with artiificial
sweeteners. Ironically saaccharine is OK for them even though it is a
chemical and it has received a clean bill of health after theyears of
the Bladder cancer in rats studies were refuted.

I think you mean Sucaryl here.

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Cheers,
Bev
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thief found cold, wet and bedraggled one morning, D locked by the
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Advocate147
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: The "mental illness" scam ! Reply with quote

To Piezo Guru

The tinfoil hat works better if applied to the theory as is written in the long
article one so ardently espouses.
Otherwise, the tinfoil hat can be grounded, or on your stubborn head. It will
make no difference even if it were made of 24K gold.

Gail
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Soda or juice? Reply with quote

Yes! They carbonate it with phosphorus compounds that will throw your
mineral balances way out of wack.

"Buck" <buck@toothed.oo> wrote in message
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Quote:
Well let's say Pepsi. By the way is soda bad for you? Aside from the
sugar.

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:08:23 +0100, "MMu" <brilhasti@gmx.net> wrote:

I was thinking about cutting back on the soda I drank and drinking
more fruit juices because soda has too much sugar, but doesn't fruit
juice contain a lot of sugar too? Which one has more sugar?

this depends on the kind of soda and the kind of fruit juice- both can
have
a quite high ammount-
usually soda has more sugar and of course a lot less vitamins though..

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Carol Frilegh
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: The Splendor Of Splenda? Reply with quote

In article <42017B93.F93A1E45@myrealbox.com>, The Real Bev
<bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote:

Quote:
Carol Frilegh wrote:

Everyone should not live in trees and eat nuts but people with chemical
sensitivities and gastric illness do not do well with artiificial
sweeteners. Ironically saaccharine is OK for them even though it is a
chemical and it has received a clean bill of health after theyears of
the Bladder cancer in rats studies were refuted.

I think you mean Sucaryl here.

I definitely meant saccharine. Sucaryl is also forbidden on my diet as
is anything with dextrose, maltose nd isomaltose.
We used saccharine before and during WW 2. Then Sweet and Low became
the rage, the kind with cyclamate. I had it for 30 years. in Canada we
can still get it with cyclamate and although it's allowed for the diet
I have returned to saccharine.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: The "mental illness" scam ! Reply with quote

to nomoredrock

No, the GI tract is not a standalone system, disconnected from the rest of the
organ systems in the body.
Believe whatever you wish, but if you wish for crohns and UC to lessen or
negate, you had best give the theory a try.
It will stand up to astute scrutiny.
MAP has never been proven to be consistently effective. Nor any other theory.
The theory of stimulants being the cause will be consistent, to everyone's
advamtage. Strange but true.

Gail
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: How do I avoid simple sugars? Reply with quote

"John Que" <123456789travelguide@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Rene" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"John de Hoog" <dehoog@dehoog.org> wrote in message
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NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:

Your body recyles much of its B12 so a deficiency take take years. So
ocassionally eating meat, eggs, cheese or milk takes care of your B12
needs. When I had my diet analyzed I found I was taking in well over
600% of the RDA.

"Taking in" does not mean the body actually puts the B12 to use. Many
people
are unable to absorb enough B12 even though they eat lots of meat and
other
rich sources. A lack of intrinsic factor, and/or a lack of proper
stomach
acid, can be the immediate cause. Use of antibiotics and advanced age
seem
to be contributing causes. One treatment is to take sublingual tablets
of
B12 in sufficient amounts (1 to 5 mg) that your body will be able to
absorb
the necessary few micrograms it needs.

--
jdh

Agreed! I do not think I was absorbing B12 because of being allergic to
gluten, which can disrupt this process. I did purchase sublingual
B12...I
think I will start taking it again.

René

If you have celiac disease which is an extreme sensitivity to gluten, your
intestinal absorption is impaired on a long term basis.



Yes, I do know this. I have not been "professionally" diagnosed with celiac
but I know I have a least a sensitivity to gluten. If I eat it, my throat
swells and I can't swallow.

René
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: How do I avoid simple sugars? Reply with quote

<NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Piezo Guru wrote:
It doesn't matter what you buy, yogurt is a really man processed,
unatural product, promoted by the dairy industry in a falling
economy. Milk consumption is less than in the 1940s and they are
trying compensate. Now I will admit yogurt is easier for the human
digestion to utilize but to say it is "natural" means somebody has
to go back to school and rethink the word.

It has been consumed by humans for thousands of years, so again I think
it deserves the "natural" term.

Yogurt today is not yogurt of yesterday. I make my own from whole raw milk
and do not heat it above 110.



Quote:

Drink separated, homogenized, pasteurized, fortified, skimmed,
filtered, all natural milk. Somethink sound fishy to you here? You
are a product of 20 century advertising and a sucker to boot.

So no dairy at all for you I take it...?

Bread is almost as bad and as many are finding out, causing much
disease in humans.

And bread has been around for thousands of years and it hasn't killed
us off yet. If fact, in the cradle of civilization, bread has always
been a staple.

Wheat today is not wheat of yesterday either! I do not have a cite for you,
but have read wheat from 1000s of years ago had a gluten content of about
12%. Today's wheat has a gluten content of about 51%. How much "glue" can
a body take?

René



Quote:

Man was not built to eat grass.

What was man built to eat?

Patrick

NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message
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Piezo Guru wrote:
What makes non-fat yogurt or whole wheat bread any more natural
than ice cream or chocolate bars for that matter?

Man has been subsisting on yogurt and whole wheat/grain bread for
thousands of years. That makes them "natural" in my book. If it
doesn't in yours, than consider them naturally good for you.

Ice cream, and I wrote _candy_ bars, are all too often filled with
all
sorts of artifical (man-made) ingredients. Try comparing the
ingredients lists and don't try to split hairs.

These are the most processed, man intervened, products consumed
today.

Depends on what you buy. If you're talking about multi-grain bread
and
"fruit" yogurts that are doctored up with artificial sweetners then
yes
they are. But _good_ plain yogurt and whole-wheat/grain bread are
no
where near the "most processed, man intervened products consumed
today." And speaking of consumed, man is not eating _enough_ of
these
two foods... and that is not good.

Patrick

Jeff, the fact is the butterballs you see are not eating
natural
foods. You don't see them stocking their shopping carts with
sweet potatoes, oranges, Brazil nuts, plain non-fat yogurt,
spinich, real maple syrup, apricots, salmon steaks, Quinoa,
green
tea, kiwis, whole-wheat bread, brocolli, black-eyed peas,
almonds, brown rice or blackberries in their simplest forms.
Instead, what you'll see is them wheeling out of the
grocery store is the unnatural foods like soda, chips, ice
cream,
prepacked dinners, hot dogs, fruit punch/drinks, candy bars,
sugar-based breakfast "cereals", and fruit chews.

Patrick


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: How do I avoid simple sugars? Reply with quote

"Piezo Guru" <gbusey@honmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Check out manganese for Menieres Disease.

Thanks for the suggestion. I also have tinitis so this is interesting. The
ear, nose and throat doc did not mention anything about this disease.

René



Quote:

"Rene" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Piezo Guru" <gbusey@honmail.com> wrote in message
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Hard exercise is definitely a stressor to your body, probably a
carcinogeous
act too. The stress of "tearing your muscles down" causes many free
radicals, according to the free radical theories. My body constantly
ached,
joints and muscles. After a few years it never stopped but I found that
body
pH was a big factor and corrected it. When you sweat you lose many
minerals
in your sweat and your blood stream, in an effort to balance the pH
robs
your bones of calcium and other minerals. Wheat and othe rgrains are
very
acid producing foods and are just wrong for heavy workout people.

Yes to all of the above! Exercise is great, but extreme exercise may not
be. Coincidentally, I am now gluten free and many of my problems have
vanished.


I share the same experience as you have in martial arts for years and
was
sick all the time with everything going. I suspected the whirlpool bath
was
a den of bacteria though and it made my skin very dry, so I had
theories
of
losing my hard exterior shell to outside bacteria by washing away the
oils
etc.

I did not catch colds or the flu, but more serious problems: loss of
balance, tremors, rosacea, seizures that could only be detected through
an
EEG. The neurologist wanted to put me on drugs even though he could not
figure out what was wrong with me. I said no thank you and have
corrected
almost everything through diet except my balance and, although my rosacea
is
not cured, it is under control without antibiotics.

Interestingly, I am experiencing some of the symptoms again, after losing
my
fianci 1 month ago. I guess STRESS, no matter what kind, is a key
factor.

Reni


Later in years, I find that many heavy duty atheletes are much more of
the
time also.

"Rene" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Rene wrote:

Congratulations! Everyone should have such a story. I'm just
curious if you take any antioxidants along with your natural diet?

Thanks for the kind words.

No, I don't. I get my antioxidants from fruits, veggies and green
tea.
I don't take vitamin pills either. I never saw a reason to, and
after
I had my diet analyzed a year or so ago, my thinking was validated.

Patrick


Your welcome.

The reason I asked is that I have read more than once that a body that
is
being exercised hard, such as yours is, the need for antioxidants goes
way
up and the diet may not be able to provide this. When I was in my
30's
I
worked extremely hard to get my black belt in Karate (4 years) and
from
there started weight lifting and various aerobic activities. Although
I
was
in the best shape of my life, it brought on the most health problems I
have
ever experienced. Now, I believe it was not enough antioxidants
(maybe
even
specific antioxidants such as CoQ10), possibly a vitamin B12
deficiency
and
the fact that my body fat was only 12.5% (female).

Reni








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John Que wrote:
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NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message
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NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:
John de Hoog wrote:

Your body recyles much of its B12 so a deficiency take take
years. So ocassionally eating meat, eggs, cheese or milk
takes
care of your B12 needs. When I had my diet analyzed I found
I
was taking in well over 600% of the RDA.

"Taking in" does not mean the body actually puts the B12 to
use.
Many people are unable to absorb enough B12 even though they
eat
lots of meat and other rich sources. A lack of intrinsic
factor,
and/or a lack of proper stomach acid, can be the immediate
cause.
Use of antibiotics and advanced age seem to be contributing
causes. One treatment is to take sublingual tablets of B12 in
sufficient amounts (1 to 5 mg) that your body will be able to
absorb the necessary few micrograms it needs.

All good info. Thanks, John.

Oh forget to mention, and relative to this thread, for these people
who
are unable to absorb B12 from food, ingesting vitamin pills with
B12
wouldn't help them either.

Sorry, but that comment is wrong if the dose used is the size
mentioned
by John de Hoog. If it is a small dose of a few micrograms or tens of
micrograms do little good. The tiny few mcg dose is what is
to be found as the maximum in EU Codex countries.
I recall that Steve Harris was willing
to admit very large PO B-12 supplementation was a workable
TX for B-12 shortage. You should be able to Google for that
thread it was back in the late 90's. I suppose I could Pubmed
the references but you really should do that yourself given
how far out of date you are.

JQ,

The information I have is dated 2002. It says ..."B12 must be injected
to bypass the need for intestinal absorption. Alternately, the vitamin
may be delivered by nasal spray; absorborption is rapid, high, and
well-tolerated."

Patrick
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