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RichA
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:18 pm    Post subject: Chronic Anxiety and Exercise, how does it effect the heart ? Reply with quote

Initially, my doctor thought I have acute anxiety, but now we both seem
to think it's actually chronic. In addition, it appears that I may be
mildly bipolar.

My doctor says that my heart is beating too fast as measured with holter
monitor, so her prescribed Seroquel. Since being on the Seroquel, I
have worn an aerobic heart monitor and my heart rate is overall faster
than before in resting phase. I also compared the results before with
the same monitor and my heart rate was slower.

In addition, I am reluctant to do any exercise like jogging or using the
treadmill because my heart rate is high. I am thinking that it is
better if I just rest since my heart works so hard at work or when I go
out.

My doc has not suggested any relaxing techniques or referred me to
anyone else he can help with behavioral modification.

Comments?

Thanks
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Susan James
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Chronic Anxiety and Exercise, how does it effect the heart ? Reply with quote

"Sam" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Initially, my doctor thought I have acute anxiety, but now we both seem
to think it's actually chronic. In addition, it appears that I may be
mildly bipolar.

My doctor says that my heart is beating too fast as measured with holter
monitor, so her prescribed Seroquel. Since being on the Seroquel, I
have worn an aerobic heart monitor and my heart rate is overall faster
than before in resting phase. I also compared the results before with
the same monitor and my heart rate was slower.

In addition, I am reluctant to do any exercise like jogging or using the
treadmill because my heart rate is high. I am thinking that it is
better if I just rest since my heart works so hard at work or when I go
out.

My doc has not suggested any relaxing techniques or referred me to
anyone else he can help with behavioral modification.

Comments?


ask your doctor about the exercise ... if not contraindicated, it might be
of some help ...

trying relaxation techniques surely cannot hurt anything; this is something
you could try on your own if you don't want to or can't see a professional
.... we don't necessarily need a doctor for *everything*
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nospam7@heartmdphd.com
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Chronic Anxiety and Exercise, how does it effect the heart ? Reply with quote

Sam wrote:
Quote:
Initially, my doctor thought I have acute anxiety, but now we both seem
to think it's actually chronic. In addition, it appears that I may be
mildly bipolar.

My doctor says that my heart is beating too fast as measured with holter
monitor, so her prescribed Seroquel. Since being on the Seroquel, I
have worn an aerobic heart monitor and my heart rate is overall faster
than before in resting phase. I also compared the results before with
the same monitor and my heart rate was slower.

A high resting heart rate (more than 90 beats per minute for an adult)
can be caused by many things other than anxiety.

Quote:
In addition, I am reluctant to do any exercise like jogging or using the
treadmill because my heart rate is high. I am thinking that it is
better if I just rest since my heart works so hard at work or when I go
out.

My doc has not suggested any relaxing techniques or referred me to
anyone else he can help with behavioral modification.

Comments?

Would suggest you seek a second opinion and possibly a referral to
consult with a cardiologist.

Quote:
Thanks

You are welcome.

All thanks and praises belong to GOD, Whom I love with all my being.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
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nef5ht2a
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Chronic Anxiety and Exercise, how does it effect the heart ? Reply with quote

"Comments?"

I have no comments, but do have a few questions, if you'd not mind
answering...

What is your resting heart rate now? What was it before initiating
this treatment? Is it causing you symptoms? What is your resting
heart rate after 15 minutes supine on a recliner or similar position of
comfort? What type of medical specialty is this physician who is
treating your heart rate?

G


Sam wrote:
Quote:
Initially, my doctor thought I have acute anxiety, but now we both seem
to think it's actually chronic. In addition, it appears that I may be
mildly bipolar.

My doctor says that my heart is beating too fast as measured with holter
monitor, so her prescribed Seroquel. Since being on the Seroquel, I
have worn an aerobic heart monitor and my heart rate is overall faster
than before in resting phase. I also compared the results before with
the same monitor and my heart rate was slower.

In addition, I am reluctant to do any exercise like jogging or using the
treadmill because my heart rate is high. I am thinking that it is
better if I just rest since my heart works so hard at work or when I go
out.

My doc has not suggested any relaxing techniques or referred me to
anyone else he can help with behavioral modification.

Comments?

Thanks
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RichA
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:39 am    Post subject: Re: Chronic Anxiety and Exercise, how does it effect the heart ? Reply with quote

Susan James wrote:
: ask your doctor about the exercise ... if not contraindicated, it
: might be of some help ...

I asked him and his response was if I had any attacks while exercising.
I told him no, then it *should* be ok. However, common sense tells me
that if you start stressing an overworked muscle then you're asking for
trouble.
:
: trying relaxation techniques surely cannot hurt anything; this is
: something you could try on your own if you don't want to or can't see
: a professional ... we don't necessarily need a doctor for *everything*

Recommendations on techniques? Perhaps links with illustrations? I hear
people talking about it, but I have yet to see anyone actually do it
properly.
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RichA
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:42 am    Post subject: Re: Chronic Anxiety and Exercise, how does it effect the heart ? Reply with quote

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
: : A high resting heart rate (more than 90 beats per minute for an
adult)
: can be caused by many things other than anxiety.

My doc has been quite good about getting me tested. Anxiety is
definitely, a key component to my high heart rate; however, the Seroquel
has an increased heart rate as a side-effect which worries me.
:
:
: Would suggest you seek a second opinion and possibly a referral to
: consult with a cardiologist.

I will ask him when he gets back into town, he's on holidays right now.
Is a cardiologist necessary even though the day monitor showed no
anomolies except high heart rate (always under stress), I am [virtually]
always under stress or anxiety.
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seatosummit28@yahoo.com
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:02 am    Post subject: Re: Chronic Anxiety and Exercise, how does it effect the heart ? Reply with quote

I have a chronic social anxiety condition. I have been on seroquel for
about 2 yrs. The seroquel only works for about 2 weeks max before you
need a higher dose. Now I cant sleep if i stop seroquel. I would avoid
all anti-anxiety meds if your anxiety is chronic.

Dont take a label like mildly bipolar seriously. It has no meaning.
When you are anxious that is sort of like being high so your highs will
be higher and your lows will be lower than a normal person. Instead of
lows you might just have insomnia or a general malaise.

What is causing your anxiety. Breathing and meditation are helpful. You
need to know you can control your anxiety. Jogging etc is fine but take
it easy in the beginning.
If you are anxious you have the tendency to run faster than you should
in the beginning. Walking is the best if you just want to calm
yourself.

Get used of the fact that the doctors know zero.

Sam wrote:
Quote:
Initially, my doctor thought I have acute anxiety, but now we both seem
to think it's actually chronic. In addition, it appears that I may be
mildly bipolar.

My doctor says that my heart is beating too fast as measured with holter
monitor, so her prescribed Seroquel. Since being on the Seroquel, I
have worn an aerobic heart monitor and my heart rate is overall faster
than before in resting phase. I also compared the results before with
the same monitor and my heart rate was slower.

In addition, I am reluctant to do any exercise like jogging or using the
treadmill because my heart rate is high. I am thinking that it is
better if I just rest since my heart works so hard at work or when I go
out.

My doc has not suggested any relaxing techniques or referred me to
anyone else he can help with behavioral modification.

Comments?

Thanks
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la agua fresca
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Joined: 06 Jun 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:55 am    Post subject: Re: Chronic Anxiety and Exercise, how does it effect the heart ? Reply with quote

I heard Tai Chi, the ancient exercise techniques, is good for those who
have heart problem. It require less aerobic fitness.

Too bad, I don't have any links or whatsoever.

Hope you'll get it, anyway.


Cheers,
La Agua Fresca
http://aguafresca.healthifica.com

Sam wrote:
Quote:
Initially, my doctor thought I have acute anxiety, but now we both seem
to think it's actually chronic. In addition, it appears that I may be
mildly bipolar.

My doctor says that my heart is beating too fast as measured with holter
monitor, so her prescribed Seroquel. Since being on the Seroquel, I
have worn an aerobic heart monitor and my heart rate is overall faster
than before in resting phase. I also compared the results before with
the same monitor and my heart rate was slower.

In addition, I am reluctant to do any exercise like jogging or using the
treadmill because my heart rate is high. I am thinking that it is
better if I just rest since my heart works so hard at work or when I go
out.

My doc has not suggested any relaxing techniques or referred me to
anyone else he can help with behavioral modification.

Comments?

Thanks
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GFX
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Joined: 19 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:57 am    Post subject: Re: Chronic Anxiety and Exercise, how does it effect the heart ? Reply with quote

So essentially, what I'm garnering from this is that your physician has
given you a thumbs up on exercising. You are, on the other hand, reticent
to overwork your heart. That doesn't seem like an entirely unreasonable
thought, but one can certainly get some activity without overworking
anything.

Get a walkman, make a CD, tape, whatever (mp3 is for those born after some
date, unknown to me...) and put all your favorite tunes on there.
Seriously, pick all the ones you really like, and put them on there. Then
walk up your street, assuming you don't live in Fort Apache, for about 10
minutes or so (wear a watch, have your cell phone alarm on vibrate mode -
whatever it takes to get YOU to know that ten minutes has elapsed) and then
walk back. While you're walking, consider nothing but what you feel like
thinking about while listening to some tunes. This can be remarkably
helpful, and you don't even have to walk fast - just consuming your brain
with an activity that is not anxiety-provoking, has a possibly fun element -
that will give you respite from being "constantly" stressed. No one should
be constantly stressed, and if you find that you can't change that, I'd take
a very serious look at how your life is set up - because it's a set-up to
put you in a box WAY too soon.

I realize it doesn't get any more blunt than that, but being stressed out
all the time, having cardiac complications from it - not much sucks more
than that - so I'd seriously contemplate how I was going to totally ditch
that entire situation; it is unacceptable, no matter how much they're paying
you. Incidentally, I speak from experience (plenty) and did not just read
this in some book.

G
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:18 am    Post subject: Re: Chronic Anxiety and Exercise, how does it effect the heart ? Reply with quote

Sam wrote:
Quote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
: : A high resting heart rate (more than 90 beats per minute for an
adult)
: can be caused by many things other than anxiety.

My doc has been quite good about getting me tested. Anxiety is
definitely, a key component to my high heart rate; however, the Seroquel
has an increased heart rate as a side-effect which worries me.
:
: Would suggest you seek a second opinion and possibly a referral to
: consult with a cardiologist.

I will ask him when he gets back into town, he's on holidays right now.
Is a cardiologist necessary even though the day monitor showed no
anomolies except high heart rate (always under stress), I am [virtually]
always under stress or anxiety.

It would be wise.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
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Susan James
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:29 am    Post subject: Re: Chronic Anxiety and Exercise, how does it effect the heart ? Reply with quote

"Sam" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Susan James wrote:
: ask your doctor about the exercise ... if not contraindicated, it
: might be of some help ...

I asked him and his response was if I had any attacks while exercising.
I told him no, then it *should* be ok. However, common sense tells me
that if you start stressing an overworked muscle then you're asking for
trouble.

so much for that advice .. is he a cardiologist ?

Quote:
:
: trying relaxation techniques surely cannot hurt anything; this is
: something you could try on your own if you don't want to or can't see
: a professional ... we don't necessarily need a doctor for *everything*

Recommendations on techniques? Perhaps links with illustrations? I hear
people talking about it, but I have yet to see anyone actually do it
properly.

none here ... I just make 'em up as I go along; Google it .. there's
probably a million or two web pages discussing it
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seatosummit28@yahoo.com
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:48 am    Post subject: Re: Chronic Anxiety and Exercise, how does it effect the heart ? Reply with quote

http://www.anxieties.com/panic-step5c.php

Sam wrote:
Quote:
Susan James wrote:
: ask your doctor about the exercise ... if not contraindicated, it
: might be of some help ...

I asked him and his response was if I had any attacks while exercising.
I told him no, then it *should* be ok. However, common sense tells me
that if you start stressing an overworked muscle then you're asking for
trouble.
:
: trying relaxation techniques surely cannot hurt anything; this is
: something you could try on your own if you don't want to or can't see
: a professional ... we don't necessarily need a doctor for *everything*

Recommendations on techniques? Perhaps links with illustrations? I hear
people talking about it, but I have yet to see anyone actually do it
properly.
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Cardinal Numbaz
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Chronic Anxiety and Exercise, how does it effect the heart ? Reply with quote

la agua fresca wrote:
Quote:
I heard Tai Chi, the ancient exercise techniques, is good for those who
have heart problem. It require less aerobic fitness.

Too bad, I don't have any links or whatsoever.

It will help. Do it.


http://www.taichichuan.co.uk/

http://www.taichiamerica.com/Introduction.htm
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Philip Peters
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Chronic Anxiety and Exercise, how does it effect the heart ? Reply with quote

Sam wrote:

Quote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
: : A high resting heart rate (more than 90 beats per minute for an
adult)
: can be caused by many things other than anxiety.

My doc has been quite good about getting me tested. Anxiety is
definitely, a key component to my high heart rate; however, the Seroquel
has an increased heart rate as a side-effect which worries me.
:
:
: Would suggest you seek a second opinion and possibly a referral to
: consult with a cardiologist.

I will ask him when he gets back into town, he's on holidays right now.
Is a cardiologist necessary even though the day monitor showed no
anomolies except high heart rate (always under stress), I am [virtually]
always under stress or anxiety.

Seeing a cardiologist just to make sure would not be a bad idea.
Skipping the Seroquel (unless you have psychotic anxiety) and replacing
it by a betablocker such as propanolol or atenolol might should then
take care of your heart rate.

Philip
>
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Philip Peters
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Chronic Anxiety and Exercise, how does it effect the heart ? Reply with quote

seatosummit28@yahoo.com wrote:

Quote:
I have a chronic social anxiety condition. I have been on seroquel for
about 2 yrs. The seroquel only works for about 2 weeks max before you
need a higher dose. Now I cant sleep if i stop seroquel. I would avoid
all anti-anxiety meds if your anxiety is chronic.

For chronic anxiety Cognitive Behavioral Therapy* is the therapy of
choice but if necessary it can very well be combined with medication.
Quote:

Dont take a label like mildly bipolar seriously. It has no meaning.

Of course it has. Whether it's the right diagnosis in this case is
impossible to tell for anybody over the internet.

Quote:
When you are anxious that is sort of like being high so your highs will
be higher and your lows will be lower than a normal person. Instead of
lows you might just have insomnia or a general malaise.

Anxiety is not at all like being high IMO & IME.
Quote:

What is causing your anxiety. Breathing and meditation are helpful. You
need to know you can control your anxiety. Jogging etc is fine but take
it easy in the beginning.

Exercise, breathing exercises, meditation, yoga, tai-chi, haptonomy
etc.etc. can all be helpful along with nutritional supplements such as
omega-3 fish oil etc. but in most cases they won't do enough.

Quote:

Get used of the fact that the doctors know zero.

Although some of them indeed tend to give that impression as a blanket
statement this is nonsensical. There is knowledge and experience out
there and with the right pdoc and cb-therapist a brighter future is in
store for you.

Philip
Quote:

Sam wrote:

Initially, my doctor thought I have acute anxiety, but now we both seem
to think it's actually chronic. In addition, it appears that I may be
mildly bipolar.

My doctor says that my heart is beating too fast as measured with holter
monitor, so her prescribed Seroquel. Since being on the Seroquel, I
have worn an aerobic heart monitor and my heart rate is overall faster
than before in resting phase. I also compared the results before with
the same monitor and my heart rate was slower.

In addition, I am reluctant to do any exercise like jogging or using the
treadmill because my heart rate is high. I am thinking that it is
better if I just rest since my heart works so hard at work or when I go
out.

My doc has not suggested any relaxing techniques or referred me to
anyone else he can help with behavioral modification.

Comments?

Thanks

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