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TC
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:
Quote:
TC wrote:

You really are an idiot.

Just because someone disagrees with your diet plan doesn't make them an
idiot. My diet works for me, extremely well! I'm 5' 9" just under 170
pounds, I'm pretty ripped (my 6-pack shows quite nicely), I'm fairly
strong (my benchwork is with 80-100 pound dumbells, I'm flexible
because of all my stretching exercises, running a half-marathon (13.1
miles) isn't overly difficult for me to do, and my resting heart rate
is in the 30s.


It has nothing to do with disagreeing with me or not. Your entire
response was just stupid.

Quote:

Go ahead, eat that crap.

I will because I find the more of it I consume the better I perform.
Case in point: Last year I ran a mile and half in 9:32. Then I stopped
running completely for 6 months. When I started running again I only
ran 5-6 times for about 20-30 minutes at a comfortable pace, and after
about three weeks with this prep I hit the timers again. Result: I was
still able to run a 10:08 in the mile and half. And I don't even
consider myself a runner. I usually only log around 10-15 miles a
week, but I'm not consistent. I skip weeks and sometimes I only run
5-10. I think that's pretty impressive performance for a 43 year-old,
don't you?

Sure... right.....

Quote:

Feed it to your kids too.

I did. They're now fully grown, happy, healthy and attending excellent
colleges.

Yeah..... right....

Quote:

Darwinism in action.

You're missing out. You need to expand your diet. Eating a WIDE
variety of natural foods (start with WHFoods.com's list) is, IMO, key
to good health.

Patrick

I eat a wide variety of real food and I have achieved real health. Good
luck with your exotic, never-been-used-as-food, new-fangled,
manufactured, anti-nutrient crap food. You will need it.

Buh-bye....

TC
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:51 am    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:

Quote:
They sell a potato chip that is made from sweet potatos, canola oil
and/or safflower oil and/or sunflower oil. They are YUMMY! In fact,
I'm eating some as I write this.

What is a potato chip, but a big corn flake made out of potatoes?

Corn Flakes, of the Kellogg's variety, consist of enriched
[degerminated] flour, partially-hydrogenated oil, corn syrup, salt a
few other ingredients and are sprayed down with cheap synthetic
vitamins.

The potato chips I mentioned, again, are made from just sweet potatos
and a pure vegetable oil.

What is a potato chip, but a big corn flake made out of potatoes?

If the best diet recommendation that you can make is to eat potato
chips, than I think that you are clearly lost.

Where did I write that eating potato chips is my "best diet
recommendation"? You seem to read something but then twist it around
in your mind and understand it in a completely different way?

Here it is again. Please don't miss it this time.

1) TC mentioned a brand name.
2) I wrote that the brand name he mentioned makes a very good variety
of potato chips.
3) I then added, I was in fact eating that brand of potato chips as I
was typing my response.

No where did I write that potato chips are my best diet recomendation.

Quote:
I do NOT care how pure the safflower oil is. It is about the worst oil
anybody could use to deep fry. Furthermore, nobody interested in deep
frying potato chips is remotely interested in their health.

You're a funny guy.

Quote:
Who says so? I do.

Oh, well, if you say it, it must be true. What a strong argument. I'm
totally convinced, almost.

Patrick
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:04 am    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

TC wrote:

Quote:
You really are an idiot.

Just because someone disagrees with your diet plan doesn't make them an
idiot. My diet works for me, extremely well! I'm 5' 9" just under 170
pounds, I'm pretty ripped (my 6-pack shows quite nicely), I'm fairly
strong (my benchwork is with 80-100 pound dumbells, I'm flexible
because of all my stretching exercises, running a half-marathon (13.1
miles) isn't overly difficult for me to do, and my resting heart rate
is in the 30s.

It has nothing to do with disagreeing with me or not. Your entire
response was just stupid.

No, it was an appropriate response to your anti-whole
grain/soybean/tea/watermelon/berries/vegetable oil/etc/etc/etc crusade
you've been waging.

Believe it or not your bacon/hot dog/sausage-only diet isn't for
everyone.

Quote:
Go ahead, eat that crap.

I will because I find the more of it I consume the better I perform.
Case in point: Last year I ran a mile and half in 9:32. Then I stopped
running completely for 6 months. When I started running again I only
ran 5-6 times for about 20-30 minutes at a comfortable pace, and after
about three weeks with this prep I hit the timers again. Result: I was
still able to run a 10:08 in the mile and half. And I don't even
consider myself a runner. I usually only log around 10-15 miles a
week, but I'm not consistent. I skip weeks and sometimes I only run
5-10. I think that's pretty impressive performance for a 43 year-old,
don't you?

Sure... right.....

Well, I tell you what... utilizing your Zone Diet plan incorporate a
running program and see if you can manage a 6.20-7:00 minute mile. Or
run for 13 miles at a 7:35-7:40 pace. And when you're able to do,
you let us know.

Quote:
Feed it to your kids too.

I did. They're now fully grown, happy, healthy and attending excellent
colleges.

Yeah..... right....

It's true. One is living home but is commuting back and forth to
college . My other one attends college out of state. Less than two
years and I'll have an empty nest. :-(

Quote:
Darwinism in action.

You're missing out. You need to expand your diet. Eating a WIDE
variety of natural foods (start with WHFoods.com's list) is, IMO, key
to good health.

I eat a wide variety of real food and I have achieved real health.

Your 35" waist is not an indicator of "real health". (BTW -- for a
male, any male, anything over 32" means you're body fat percentage is
"less than ideal".

Quote:
Good luck with your exotic, never-been-used-as-food, new-fangled,
manufactured, anti-nutrient crap food.

For those who are just joining us, he's referring to the foods I eat
like:
-- Blueberries
-- Asparagus
-- Pomagrantes
-- Peas/pea pods
-- Brown rice
-- Quinoa
-- Califlower
-- Green/white/red teas
-- Buffalo and ostrich meat
-- Amarath
-- Carrots
-- Black-eyed peas
-- Dark Chocolate (85% cocoa)
-- Spelt
-- Romaine lettuce
-- Soybeans
-- Almonds
-- Oranges
-- Spinach
-- Apples
-- Sweet potatos
-- Brazil nuts
-- Milk & yogurt
-- Honeydew Melons
-- Cinnamon
-- Honey
-- Green peppers
-- Kiwis
-- Lamb
-- Bananas
-- [Homemade] whole-grain pancakes w/pure maple syrup
-- Watermelon
-- Parlsey
-- Blackbeans
-- Sunflower & pumpkin seeds
-- Eggs
-- Raisens
-- Brocolli
-- Kidney beans
-- Black strap molasses
-- Salmon
-- Rosemary
-- Walnuts
-- Raspberries

Oh, and sweet potato chips. :-)

Quote:
You will need it.

And I wish you luck in trying to lose the 20 or so pounds your
measurements suggest you need to lose.

Quote:
Buh-bye....

Sure, hope to see you at 5K, 10K, or half marathon sometime in the
future...

Patrick
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:28 am    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:

Quote:
3) I then added, I was in fact eating that brand of potato chips as I
was typing my response.

Yeah! That is right. You publicly admitted that you committed a
criminal offense on a nutrition ng.

Who says so? I do.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

On 13 Jul 2006 22:04:02 -0700, NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:

Quote:
Your 35" waist is not an indicator of "real health". (BTW -- for a
male, any male, anything over 32" means you're body fat percentage is
"less than ideal".

His idea of real health is doing what our ancestors did and lye on the
couch 18 hours a day watching tv. It amazes me as I run in to people
every day that are *skinny* but they are really fat. This is
especially true with women, skinny but not one inch of muscle tone on
their entire body just cellulite and cottage cheese not attractive and
not healthy.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:48 pm    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

jt wrote:

Quote:
His idea of real health is doing what our ancestors did and lye on the
couch 18 hours a day watching tv. It amazes me as I run in to people
every day that are *skinny* but they are really fat. This is
especially true with women, skinny but not one inch of muscle tone on
their entire body just cellulite and cottage cheese not attractive and
not healthy

Reminds me of the movie scene where Christina Applegate in the The
Sweetest Thing remarks "What is that...." while shaking her upper arm.

Here, is a video clip of that exact scene, which is located at the very
end of the clip.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/157638/cameron_diaz_christina_applegate/.

Christina grossed me out and represents the typical modern American
female with not a ounce of muscletone on her body.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:18 pm    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:
Quote:
TC wrote:

You really are an idiot.

Just because someone disagrees with your diet plan doesn't make them an
idiot. My diet works for me, extremely well! I'm 5' 9" just under 170
pounds, I'm pretty ripped (my 6-pack shows quite nicely), I'm fairly
strong (my benchwork is with 80-100 pound dumbells, I'm flexible
because of all my stretching exercises, running a half-marathon (13.1
miles) isn't overly difficult for me to do, and my resting heart rate
is in the 30s.

It has nothing to do with disagreeing with me or not. Your entire
response was just stupid.

No, it was an appropriate response to your anti-whole
grain/soybean/tea/watermelon/berries/vegetable oil/etc/etc/etc crusade
you've been waging.

Believe it or not your bacon/hot dog/sausage-only diet isn't for
everyone.

Go ahead, eat that crap.

I will because I find the more of it I consume the better I perform.
Case in point: Last year I ran a mile and half in 9:32. Then I stopped
running completely for 6 months. When I started running again I only
ran 5-6 times for about 20-30 minutes at a comfortable pace, and after
about three weeks with this prep I hit the timers again. Result: I was
still able to run a 10:08 in the mile and half. And I don't even
consider myself a runner. I usually only log around 10-15 miles a
week, but I'm not consistent. I skip weeks and sometimes I only run
5-10. I think that's pretty impressive performance for a 43 year-old,
don't you?

Sure... right.....

Well, I tell you what... utilizing your Zone Diet plan incorporate a
running program and see if you can manage a 6.20-7:00 minute mile. Or
run for 13 miles at a 7:35-7:40 pace. And when you're able to do,
you let us know.

That is not a yardstick for overall health. Jim Fixx could outrun me at
anytime, except he keeled over with deadly poor heart health at a
relatively young age. Just like someone who has a photographic memory
can still be a paranoid schizophrenic. The neat trick of being able to
run far and fast does not equate to good general health. Another good
example, body builders, they look like the fittest people in the world
during competitions, but their healths are in a very precarious
position and they are physically very unhealthy when they are at their
competitive peaks.

Here is a better test. How many colds or flus have you had in the last
five years? How many infections? Do you have dry flaky skin? Headaches?
Blurry vision? Are you bowel movements regular and easy? Do you ever
feel queasy or loss of apetite? Or do you ever crave foods and binge?
How many times have you been to a doctor in te last 5 years for other
than routine checkups? How many precriptions have you had in the last 5
years? Do you have metabolic syndrome? IBS or any other GI complaints
including bloating etc? Coronary artery blockage at any degree? How are
your teeth? Any cavities in the last 5 years?

Running tells me that your joints and muscle function, and not much
else.

Quote:

Feed it to your kids too.

I did. They're now fully grown, happy, healthy and attending excellent
colleges.

Yeah..... right....

It's true. One is living home but is commuting back and forth to
college . My other one attends college out of state. Less than two
years and I'll have an empty nest. :-(

Darwinism in action.

You're missing out. You need to expand your diet. Eating a WIDE
variety of natural foods (start with WHFoods.com's list) is, IMO, key
to good health.

I eat a wide variety of real food and I have achieved real health.

Your 35" waist is not an indicator of "real health". (BTW -- for a
male, any male, anything over 32" means you're body fat percentage is
"less than ideal".

No, but the lack of any health issues whatsoever except for the
moderate lingering effects of a ten year old lower back injury, does
indicate very good "real health".

Quote:

Good luck with your exotic, never-been-used-as-food, new-fangled,
manufactured, anti-nutrient crap food.

For those who are just joining us, he's referring to the foods I eat
like:
-- Blueberries
-- Asparagus
-- Pomagrantes
-- Peas/pea pods
-- Brown rice
-- Quinoa
-- Califlower
-- Green/white/red teas
-- Buffalo and ostrich meat
-- Amarath
-- Carrots
-- Black-eyed peas
-- Dark Chocolate (85% cocoa)
-- Spelt
-- Romaine lettuce
-- Soybeans
-- Almonds
-- Oranges
-- Spinach
-- Apples
-- Sweet potatos
-- Brazil nuts
-- Milk & yogurt
-- Honeydew Melons
-- Cinnamon
-- Honey
-- Green peppers
-- Kiwis
-- Lamb
-- Bananas
-- [Homemade] whole-grain pancakes w/pure maple syrup
-- Watermelon
-- Parlsey
-- Blackbeans
-- Sunflower & pumpkin seeds
-- Eggs
-- Raisens
-- Brocolli
-- Kidney beans
-- Black strap molasses
-- Salmon
-- Rosemary
-- Walnuts
-- Raspberries

Oh, and sweet potato chips. Smile

Where do you get your essential animal sourced fats and proteins from?
Soy? Not likely.

I hope you moderate the soy consumption, or you will reap the whirlwind
of poor health.

And with that much sweet carb in your diet, you'd better keep running.

Quote:

You will need it.

And I wish you luck in trying to lose the 20 or so pounds your
measurements suggest you need to lose.

If I lost 20 lbs I would look sickly and gaunt. That may appeal to you,
but I'll stick to what makes and keeps me healthy.

Quote:

Buh-bye....

Sure, hope to see you at 5K, 10K, or half marathon sometime in the
future...

Patrick

You keep believing that that means good health. And say Hi to Jim Fixx
and Weezy when you get the "big one".

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
Quote:
NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:

3) I then added, I was in fact eating that brand of potato chips as I
was typing my response.

Yeah! That is right. You publicly admitted that you committed a
criminal offense on a nutrition ng.

Only in your mind. The sweet potato chips I eat are awesome! In fact,
I try to keep a bag in my pantry at all times. I love 'em!

Quote:
Who says so? I do.

But who cares?

Patrick
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:
Quote:
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:

3) I then added, I was in fact eating that brand of potato chips as I
was typing my response.

Yeah! That is right. You publicly admitted that you committed a
criminal offense on a nutrition ng.

Only in your mind. The sweet potato chips I eat are awesome! In fact,
I try to keep a bag in my pantry at all times. I love 'em!

Who says so? I do.

But who cares?

I do. :)

A junkfood advocate is about as reliable a source of information on
nutrition as TC is. Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

You have my condolences, TC, Jr. Sad
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:14 am    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

TC wrote:
Quote:
NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:
TC wrote:

You really are an idiot.

Just because someone disagrees with your diet plan doesn't make them an
idiot. My diet works for me, extremely well! I'm 5' 9" just under 170
pounds, I'm pretty ripped (my 6-pack shows quite nicely), I'm fairly
strong (my benchwork is with 80-100 pound dumbells, I'm flexible
because of all my stretching exercises, running a half-marathon (13.1
miles) isn't overly difficult for me to do, and my resting heart rate
is in the 30s.

It has nothing to do with disagreeing with me or not. Your entire
response was just stupid.

No, it was an appropriate response to your anti-whole
grain/soybean/tea/watermelon/berries/vegetable oil/etc/etc/etc crusade
you've been waging.

Believe it or not your bacon/hot dog/sausage-only diet isn't for
everyone.

Go ahead, eat that crap.

I will because I find the more of it I consume the better I perform.
Case in point: Last year I ran a mile and half in 9:32. Then I stopped
running completely for 6 months. When I started running again I only
ran 5-6 times for about 20-30 minutes at a comfortable pace, and after
about three weeks with this prep I hit the timers again. Result: I was
still able to run a 10:08 in the mile and half. And I don't even
consider myself a runner. I usually only log around 10-15 miles a
week, but I'm not consistent. I skip weeks and sometimes I only run
5-10. I think that's pretty impressive performance for a 43 year-old,
don't you?

Sure... right.....

Well, I tell you what... utilizing your Zone Diet plan incorporate a
running program and see if you can manage a 6.20-7:00 minute mile. Or
run for 13 miles at a 7:35-7:40 pace. And when you're able to do,
you let us know.

That is not a yardstick for overall health. Jim Fixx could outrun me at
anytime, except he keeled over with deadly poor heart health at a
relatively young age. Just like someone who has a photographic memory
can still be a paranoid schizophrenic. The neat trick of being able to
run far and fast does not equate to good general health.

OMG, a strange case of runner dieing of a heart attack at an young age.
These cases grab the headlines because they're SO odd. The news never
mentions the scores of couch potatos who drop like flies everyday.

Bottom line: Using an overall percentage of population, stats clearly
show that people who are physically fit are much healthier than those
who are not.

Quote:
Another good example, body builders, they look like the fittest people in the world
during competitions, but their healths are in a very precarious position and they are
physically very unhealthy when they are at their competitive peaks.

Body builders do too many drugs and carry around too much body weight.


Quote:
Here is a better test. How many colds or flus have you had in the last
five years?

It's been so long ago I can't remember...I don't know... 1997-98,
maybe.

Quote:
How many infections?

Zero

Quote:
Do you have dry flaky skin?

No.

Quote:
Headaches?

I never get headaches. Okay, maybe a mild one every decade or so.

Quote:
Blurry vision?

No.

Quote:
Are you bowel movements regular and easy?

Yep, and regular.

Quote:
Do you ever feel queasy or loss of apetite?

No.

Quote:
Or do you ever crave foods and binge?

I eat three main meals per day, and normally a mid-morning snack, a
snack an hour before whenever I workout in the late afternoon, and a
snack when I get done working out. After dinner, I may have some
popcorn (plain microwave popped/then I add a little extra virgin olive
oli and some sea salt), a small piece of dark chocolate or fruit... it
depends.

Quote:
How many times have you been to a doctor in the last 5 years for other
than routine checkups? How many precriptions have you had in the last 5
years?

Only for fireant bites and an injury.

Quote:
Do you have metabolic syndrome? IBS or any other GI complaints
including bloating etc? Coronary artery blockage at any degree?

Nope to all.

Quote:
How are your teeth? Any cavities in the last 5 years?

I haven't had any in 43 years.

Quote:
Running tells me that your joints and muscle function, and not much
else.

How about my resting heart rate in the 30s? Or my body fat percentage
of 10%? Or my 1 teen over 60 something blood pressure?

<snip>

Quote:
Your 35" waist is not an indicator of "real health". (BTW -- for a
male, any male, anything over 32" means you're body fat percentage is
"less than ideal".

No, but the lack of any health issues whatsoever except for the
moderate lingering effects of a ten year old lower back injury, does
indicate very good "real health".

And your age is?

A 35" waist is decent, if compared to our overall pathetic general
public, but physically it means you have plenty of room for
improvement. Abdominal fat isn't good.

Quote:
Good luck with your exotic, never-been-used-as-food, new-fangled,
manufactured, anti-nutrient crap food.

For those who are just joining us, he's referring to the foods I eat
like:
-- Blueberries
-- Asparagus
-- Pomagrantes
-- Peas/pea pods
-- Brown rice
-- Quinoa
-- Califlower
-- Green/white/red teas
-- Buffalo and ostrich meat
-- Amarath
-- Carrots
-- Black-eyed peas
-- Dark Chocolate (85% cocoa)
-- Spelt
-- Romaine lettuce
-- Soybeans
-- Almonds
-- Oranges
-- Spinach
-- Apples
-- Sweet potatos
-- Brazil nuts
-- Milk & yogurt
-- Honeydew Melons
-- Cinnamon
-- Honey
-- Green peppers
-- Kiwis
-- Lamb
-- Bananas
-- [Homemade] whole-grain pancakes w/pure maple syrup
-- Watermelon
-- Parlsey
-- Blackbeans
-- Sunflower & pumpkin seeds
-- Eggs
-- Raisens
-- Brocolli
-- Kidney beans
-- Black strap molasses
-- Salmon
-- Rosemary
-- Walnuts
-- Raspberries

Oh, and sweet potato chips. :-)

Where do you get your essential animal sourced fats and proteins from?

Not that you need it in animal form. Example: Beans and whole-grain
rice supply you with all the amino acids you need. Plus, damn near
everything has at least traces of protein.

Quote:
Soy? Not likely.

Protein is a non-issue. The American diet provides tons. Think about
it. Nearly every meal includes eggs, milk, and/or meat. How can you
NOT get enough? Even my not-focused on meat/protein diet supplies me
with more than a gram per pound of body weight.

Note, again: I eat, eggs, drink milk and/or eat meat everyday. I just
don't eat a ton of it; it's a side dish on my plate.

Quote:
I hope you moderate the soy consumption, or you will reap the whirlwind
of poor health.

Soy is part of my diet, but it's only a part. My main focus is on
variety and quality/purity of ingredients. Wanna talk about reaping a
whirlwiond of poor health? Be overweight.

Quote:
And with that much sweet carb in your diet, you'd better keep running.

Don't let anyone bullshit you, it's all about calories. Protein and
fat can make you fat just as quick as carbs.

The thing that is making people fat is a lack of exercise, and THAT is
what is root cause of our obesity epidemic! This recent "bad carb"
thing is just a diversion for our increasingly more lazy population.


Quote:
You will need it.

And I wish you luck in trying to lose the 20 or so pounds your
measurements suggest you need to lose.

If I lost 20 lbs I would look sickly and gaunt. That may appeal to you,
but I'll stick to what makes and keeps me healthy.

Abdominal fat is a risk factor for heart disease. You need to lose the
tire. And diet/dieting alone won't do it. It takes
motivation/exercise, something it seems everyone tries to avoid or
minimize these days. And that's sad, because mobility is a wonderful
thing.

Quote:
Buh-bye....

Sure, hope to see you at 5K, 10K, or half marathon sometime in the
future...

You keep believing that that means good health.

Trust me. If you're not in good health, you can't run that far.

Think about this: My heart rate during my half marathons was about 150
bpm for well over an hour. But my resting heart rate is less than half
of non-atheletes the other 22+ hours in the day. The multiply these
numbers by weeks, months and years. Now whose heart is going to give
out first? My math, and medical science, says the non-athelete will be
exiting soonest.

Quote:
And say Hi to Jim Fixx and Weezy when you get the "big one".

Don't tell me. Unless you drop some pounds, and get of that couch a
little more, you'll be seeing them before I do.

Patrick
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:57 am    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

TC wrote:

Quote:
That is not a yardstick for overall health. Jim Fixx could outrun me at
anytime, except he keeled over with deadly poor heart health at a
relatively young age.

Spoken like the whiner that TC truly is.

Ooooh! Children are dying of cancer as we speak. According to TC,
everyone should stay in bed, give up, and whine like a stuck pig.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

You have my condolences, TC!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:54 pm    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

On 14 Jul 2006 07:48:20 -0700, "Mr. Natural-Health"
<johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:

Quote:
jt wrote:

His idea of real health is doing what our ancestors did and lye on the
couch 18 hours a day watching tv. It amazes me as I run in to people
every day that are *skinny* but they are really fat. This is
especially true with women, skinny but not one inch of muscle tone on
their entire body just cellulite and cottage cheese not attractive and
not healthy

Reminds me of the movie scene where Christina Applegate in the The
Sweetest Thing remarks "What is that...." while shaking her upper arm.

Here, is a video clip of that exact scene, which is located at the very
end of the clip.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/157638/cameron_diaz_christina_applegate/.

Christina grossed me out and represents the typical modern American
female with not a ounce of muscletone on her body.

TC I am sure finds it sexy. He likes grabbing on to those handles
with those big thick sausage fingers of his.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:10 pm    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

jt wrote:
Quote:
On 14 Jul 2006 07:48:20 -0700, "Mr. Natural-Health"
johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:

jt wrote:

His idea of real health is doing what our ancestors did and lye on the
couch 18 hours a day watching tv. It amazes me as I run in to people
every day that are *skinny* but they are really fat. This is
especially true with women, skinny but not one inch of muscle tone on
their entire body just cellulite and cottage cheese not attractive and
not healthy

Reminds me of the movie scene where Christina Applegate in the The
Sweetest Thing remarks "What is that...." while shaking her upper arm.

Here, is a video clip of that exact scene, which is located at the very
end of the clip.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/157638/cameron_diaz_christina_applegate/.

Christina grossed me out and represents the typical modern American
female with not a ounce of muscletone on her body.

TC I am sure finds it sexy. He likes grabbing on to those handles
with those big thick sausage fingers of his.

Thanks for adding useful information to the debate.... er.... hang on,
that's just as hominem...... scratch that thanks and gfy.

TC
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:40 pm    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

TC wrote:
Quote:
jt wrote:
On 14 Jul 2006 07:48:20 -0700, "Mr. Natural-Health"
johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:

jt wrote:

His idea of real health is doing what our ancestors did and lye on the
couch 18 hours a day watching tv. It amazes me as I run in to people
every day that are *skinny* but they are really fat. This is
especially true with women, skinny but not one inch of muscle tone on
their entire body just cellulite and cottage cheese not attractive and
not healthy

Reminds me of the movie scene where Christina Applegate in the The
Sweetest Thing remarks "What is that...." while shaking her upper arm.

Here, is a video clip of that exact scene, which is located at the very
end of the clip.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/157638/cameron_diaz_christina_applegate/.

Christina grossed me out and represents the typical modern American
female with not a ounce of muscletone on her body.

TC I am sure finds it sexy. He likes grabbing on to those handles
with those big thick sausage fingers of his.

Thanks for adding useful information to the debate.... er.... hang on,
that's just as hominem...... scratch that thanks and gfy.

No Problem'O.

WARNING: Employers like to drop NEGATIVE employees.

Just thought that you might want to know.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
Quote:
TC wrote:
jt wrote:
On 14 Jul 2006 07:48:20 -0700, "Mr. Natural-Health"
johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:

jt wrote:

His idea of real health is doing what our ancestors did and lye on the
couch 18 hours a day watching tv. It amazes me as I run in to people
every day that are *skinny* but they are really fat. This is
especially true with women, skinny but not one inch of muscle tone on
their entire body just cellulite and cottage cheese not attractive and
not healthy

Reminds me of the movie scene where Christina Applegate in the The
Sweetest Thing remarks "What is that...." while shaking her upper arm.

Here, is a video clip of that exact scene, which is located at the very
end of the clip.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/157638/cameron_diaz_christina_applegate/.

Christina grossed me out and represents the typical modern American
female with not a ounce of muscletone on her body.

TC I am sure finds it sexy. He likes grabbing on to those handles
with those big thick sausage fingers of his.

Thanks for adding useful information to the debate.... er.... hang on,
that's just as hominem...... scratch that thanks and gfy.

No Problem'O.

WARNING: Employers like to drop NEGATIVE employees.

Just thought that you might want to know.

You are sooooo smart.

TC
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