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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:27 pm    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

Exactly who is eating soy on smn?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:04 am    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

TC wrote:
Quote:
http://www.rheumatic.org/soy.htm

Here's another:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=79

Patrick
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:33 pm    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:
Quote:
TC wrote:
http://www.rheumatic.org/soy.htm

Here's another:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=79

Patrick

http://www.whfoods.com/whoweare.php

Our people
George Mateljan, Founder
Joseph E. Pizzorno, Jr., N.D. (SaluGenecists)
Buck Levin, Ph.D., R.D. (SaluGenecists)
Kerry Evans, Ph.D. (SaluGenecists)
Mary Lane, Chef
Kim J. Mayer, N.D., L.M.P. (SaluGenecists)
Lara Pizzorno, M.A.(Div.), M.A.(Lit.), L.M.T. (SaluGenecists)
Stephanie Gailing, M.S., C.N. (SaluGenecists)
Suzanne Munson, M.S., R.D. (SaluGenecists)
Tenji Cowan, Photographer

**

Joseph E. Pizzorno, Jr., N.D.

President, Salugenecists, Inc.

Joseph E. Pizzorno, Jr., N.D., appointed in December 2000 to the White
House Commission on Complementary and Alternative Medicine Policy, is
one of the world's leading authorities on science-based natural
medicine. A pioneer in the field of natural medicine, Dr. Pizzorno is a
practical visionary who has dedicated his life to improving the health
of the human community. A licensed naturopathic physician in Washington
State since 1975, Dr. Pizzorno is co-founder and founding president of
Bastyr University, the first fully accredited, multidisciplinary
university of natural medicine in the United States. In 1996, he was
appointed to the Seattle/King County Board of Health, the first natural
medicine practitioner in the country to receive such an appointment.
His initiative and commitment inspired the creation of the first
comprehensive government-run natural medicine clinic in the country.
Elected Chair of the American Public Health Association Special Primary
Interest Group on Complementary and Alternative Medicine in 1999, Dr.
Pizzorno was invited to participate in the Josiah Macy, Jr., Foundation
Conference on Education of Health Professionals on Complementary and
Alternative Medicine, 2000. In June 2000, Dr. Pizzorno retired after 22
years from the presidency of Bastyr University, but remains affiliated
with the university as President Emeritus and serves as the Senior
Advisor to the President. Shortly after his retirement,the Cancer
Treatment Centers of America recognized him as "Humanitarian of The
Year" in September 2000. In March 2001, Natural Health Magazine
recognized him as one of the leading health educators of the past 30
years. Dr. Pizzorno is the author of Total Wellness and co-author of
the internationally acclaimed physician's reference, the Textbook of
Natural Medicine and best-selling consumer reference, Encyclopedia of
Natural Medicine (750,000 copies in six languages).

Dr. Pizzorno's most recent undertaking is the creation of a new
company, Salugenecists, Inc., (from "salud," which is French for
"health," and "genesis," creation), which is creating the next
generation of science-based, natural medicine health promotion and
disease reversal systems. Visit salugenecists.com for more information.


***

I'm not sure what exactly these "not for profit" guys are selling, but
I'm not buying. There's something fishy here.

Hey wait a minute......

***

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_Oct/ai_92282936

George Mateljan, founder of Health Valley Foods, launches unique
website

The George Mateljan Foundation interactive website, www.whfoods.com,
launched in April provides reliable, scientifically accurate
information to make eating the world's healthiest foods easy,
convenient, and enjoyable.

George Mateljan, founder of "Health Valley Foods," America's first
healthy convenience food company, established the George Mateljan
Foundation. After years of travel and study to uncover "the world's
healthiest foods," Mateljan created this website to share his
discoveries. "I am passionate about helping people live longer,
healthier lives by eating the world's healthiest foods," said Mateljan.

***

http://www.healthvalley.com/

http://www.c-els.com/default.asp?sn=E100420020060048

http://www.healthvalley.com/search/index.php

do a search for soy on health valleys website. here are my results

Documents 1 - 10 of 420 matches. More 's indicate a better match.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
.... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes with Raisins combines the healthy benefits ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=33&cat_id=8
07/08/05, 15943 bytes
Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
.... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes with Raisins combines the healthy benefits ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=33&cat_id=9
07/08/05, 15945 bytes
Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
.... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes with Raisins combines the healthy benefits ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=33&cat_id=11
07/08/05, 15943 bytes
Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
.... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes contains the healthy benefits of soy protein ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=32&cat_id=8
07/08/05, 15839 bytes
Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
.... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes contains the healthy benefits of soy protein ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=32&cat_id=9
07/08/05, 15841 bytes
Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
.... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes contains the healthy benefits of soy protein ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=32&cat_id=11
07/08/05, 15839 bytes
Original Soy O's? Cereal
.... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy O's? Cereal
Click for larger image. Health Valley SoyO's is the first cereal made
with the healthy benefits of soy protein and organic ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=34&cat_id=8
07/08/05, 15632 bytes
Original Soy O's? Cereal
.... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy O's? Cereal
Click for larger image. Health Valley SoyO's is the first cereal made
with the healthy benefits of soy protein and organic ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=34&cat_id=9
07/08/05, 15634 bytes
Original Soy O's? Cereal
.... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy O's? Cereal
Click for larger image. Health Valley SoyO's is the first cereal made
with the healthy benefits of soy protein and organic ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=34&cat_id=11
07/08/05, 15632 bytes
Apple Cinnamon Soy O's? Cereal
.... Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber Fat Free
Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Apple Cinnamon Soy O's? Cereal
Click for larger image. Health Valley SoyO's is the first cereal made
with the healthy benefits of soy protein and oarganic oats ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=36&cat_id=11
07/08/05, 15721 bytes

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

***

So a non-profit is really gung-ho on soy. Pretty impressive supporters,
being non-profit and all, eh? Except that the person who set up this
apparently independent, self-sacrificing, for-the-good-of-humanity,
non-profit actually sells many many products loaded with soy.
Hmmmm....... couldn't be a connection. I must just be paranoid.

I guess we can take the word of this non-profit that their owners and
founders and funders for-profit product is among the worlds healthiest
foods. Yep, I'm convinced. I think I'll start feeding my children this
wonderful healthiest food and ignore the actual science.

Pretty darned slimey of this for-profit to actually create a non-profit
to sell their products. And worst of all they present it not just as
edible but as one of the *healthiest* foods in the world. I would think
that this would open them up to some kind of legal liability.

TC
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

TC wrote:
Quote:
NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:
TC wrote:
http://www.rheumatic.org/soy.htm

Here's another:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=79

Patrick

http://www.whfoods.com/whoweare.php

Our people
George Mateljan, Founder
Joseph E. Pizzorno, Jr., N.D. (SaluGenecists)
Buck Levin, Ph.D., R.D. (SaluGenecists)
Kerry Evans, Ph.D. (SaluGenecists)
Mary Lane, Chef
Kim J. Mayer, N.D., L.M.P. (SaluGenecists)
Lara Pizzorno, M.A.(Div.), M.A.(Lit.), L.M.T. (SaluGenecists)
Stephanie Gailing, M.S., C.N. (SaluGenecists)
Suzanne Munson, M.S., R.D. (SaluGenecists)
Tenji Cowan, Photographer

**

Joseph E. Pizzorno, Jr., N.D.

President, Salugenecists, Inc.

Joseph E. Pizzorno, Jr., N.D., appointed in December 2000 to the White
House Commission on Complementary and Alternative Medicine Policy, is
one of the world's leading authorities on science-based natural
medicine. A pioneer in the field of natural medicine, Dr. Pizzorno is a
practical visionary who has dedicated his life to improving the health
of the human community. A licensed naturopathic physician in Washington
State since 1975, Dr. Pizzorno is co-founder and founding president of
Bastyr University, the first fully accredited, multidisciplinary
university of natural medicine in the United States. In 1996, he was
appointed to the Seattle/King County Board of Health, the first natural
medicine practitioner in the country to receive such an appointment.
His initiative and commitment inspired the creation of the first
comprehensive government-run natural medicine clinic in the country.
Elected Chair of the American Public Health Association Special Primary
Interest Group on Complementary and Alternative Medicine in 1999, Dr.
Pizzorno was invited to participate in the Josiah Macy, Jr., Foundation
Conference on Education of Health Professionals on Complementary and
Alternative Medicine, 2000. In June 2000, Dr. Pizzorno retired after 22
years from the presidency of Bastyr University, but remains affiliated
with the university as President Emeritus and serves as the Senior
Advisor to the President. Shortly after his retirement,the Cancer
Treatment Centers of America recognized him as "Humanitarian of The
Year" in September 2000. In March 2001, Natural Health Magazine
recognized him as one of the leading health educators of the past 30
years. Dr. Pizzorno is the author of Total Wellness and co-author of
the internationally acclaimed physician's reference, the Textbook of
Natural Medicine and best-selling consumer reference, Encyclopedia of
Natural Medicine (750,000 copies in six languages).

Dr. Pizzorno's most recent undertaking is the creation of a new
company, Salugenecists, Inc., (from "salud," which is French for
"health," and "genesis," creation), which is creating the next
generation of science-based, natural medicine health promotion and
disease reversal systems. Visit salugenecists.com for more information.


***

I'm not sure what exactly these "not for profit" guys are selling, but
I'm not buying. There's something fishy here.

Hey wait a minute......

***

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_Oct/ai_92282936

George Mateljan, founder of Health Valley Foods, launches unique
website

The George Mateljan Foundation interactive website, www.whfoods.com,
launched in April provides reliable, scientifically accurate
information to make eating the world's healthiest foods easy,
convenient, and enjoyable.

George Mateljan, founder of "Health Valley Foods," America's first
healthy convenience food company, established the George Mateljan
Foundation. After years of travel and study to uncover "the world's
healthiest foods," Mateljan created this website to share his
discoveries. "I am passionate about helping people live longer,
healthier lives by eating the world's healthiest foods," said Mateljan.

***

http://www.healthvalley.com/

http://www.c-els.com/default.asp?sn=E100420020060048

http://www.healthvalley.com/search/index.php

do a search for soy on health valleys website. here are my results

Documents 1 - 10 of 420 matches. More 's indicate a better match.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes with Raisins combines the healthy benefits ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=33&cat_id=8
07/08/05, 15943 bytes
Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes with Raisins combines the healthy benefits ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=33&cat_id=9
07/08/05, 15945 bytes
Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes with Raisins combines the healthy benefits ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=33&cat_id=11
07/08/05, 15943 bytes
Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes contains the healthy benefits of soy protein ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=32&cat_id=8
07/08/05, 15839 bytes
Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes contains the healthy benefits of soy protein ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=32&cat_id=9
07/08/05, 15841 bytes
Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes contains the healthy benefits of soy protein ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=32&cat_id=11
07/08/05, 15839 bytes
Original Soy O's? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy O's? Cereal
Click for larger image. Health Valley SoyO's is the first cereal made
with the healthy benefits of soy protein and organic ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=34&cat_id=8
07/08/05, 15632 bytes
Original Soy O's? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy O's? Cereal
Click for larger image. Health Valley SoyO's is the first cereal made
with the healthy benefits of soy protein and organic ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=34&cat_id=9
07/08/05, 15634 bytes
Original Soy O's? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy O's? Cereal
Click for larger image. Health Valley SoyO's is the first cereal made
with the healthy benefits of soy protein and organic ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=34&cat_id=11
07/08/05, 15632 bytes
Apple Cinnamon Soy O's? Cereal
... Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber Fat Free
Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Apple Cinnamon Soy O's? Cereal
Click for larger image. Health Valley SoyO's is the first cereal made
with the healthy benefits of soy protein and oarganic oats ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=36&cat_id=11
07/08/05, 15721 bytes

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

***

So a non-profit is really gung-ho on soy. Pretty impressive supporters,
being non-profit and all, eh? Except that the person who set up this
apparently independent, self-sacrificing, for-the-good-of-humanity,
non-profit actually sells many many products loaded with soy.
Hmmmm....... couldn't be a connection. I must just be paranoid.

I guess we can take the word of this non-profit that their owners and
founders and funders for-profit product is among the worlds healthiest
foods. Yep, I'm convinced. I think I'll start feeding my children this
wonderful healthiest food and ignore the actual science.

Pretty darned slimey of this for-profit to actually create a non-profit
to sell their products. And worst of all they present it not just as
edible but as one of the *healthiest* foods in the world. I would think
that this would open them up to some kind of legal liability.

TC

http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=HAIN&script=2100

The Hain Celestial Group, headquartered in Melville , NY, is a leading
natural and organic beverage, snack, specialty food and personal care
products company in North America and Europe. Hain Celestial is a
leader in almost all natural food categories-Beverages, Specialty
Tea, Snacks, Grocery, Frozen Foods-and the natural Personal Care
category with well-known brands that include: Celestial Seasonings®,
Terra Chips®, Garden of Eatin'®, Health Valley®, WestSoy®, Earth's
Best®, Arrowhead Mills®, Hain Pure Foods®, Breadshop's®, Casbah®,
Carb Fit™, DeBoles®, Nile Spice®, Westbrae Natural®, Rice Dream®,
Imagine®, Soy Dream®, Walnut Acres Certified Organic®, Rosetto®,
Ethnic Gourmet®, Yves Veggie Cuisine®, The Good Dog®, and in Europe,
Lima®, Biomarché®, Natumi®, and Milkfree®. The Company's principle
specialty product lines include Hollywood® cooking oils, Estee®
sugar-free products, Boston Better Snacks™, and Alba Foods®. The
Company's personal care product lines consist primarily of JASON®
pure, natural and organic products, and Zia® Natural Skincare. The
Hain Celestial Group common stock trades on the NASDAQ® National
Market under the symbol HAIN.

*********

Health Valley is part of the HAIN corporation. Run by Irwin Simon.

http://www.inc.com/magazine/20020301/23926.html

quote:*

Simon's Hain Celestial Group Inc. is the market leader in the kind of
foods made of stuff that only a decade ago most people didn't consider
food at all. They're weird bits of once-orphaned vegetation that have
been transmogrified into some 29 brands and 1,500 individual products:
soy smoothies, organic crackers, natural cereals that surprise you by
tasting good -- exquisitely balanced on the other end of the taste
scale by a line of fake meat that includes such Star Trek-ian
improbabilities as Veggie Breakfast Links, actually not bad; a Veggie
Pizza Pepperoni, with all the palatability of Silly Putty; and a pure
monstrosity called Veggie Ground Round Italian, a product that manages
to simultaneously libel high-end hamburger and an entire European
country. More typical is a panoply of teas that could have been
conceived only by people who wear Birkenstocks, live in wind-powered
log houses, and practice a religion symbolized by a peace sign the size
of Mama Cass. But be patient. Simon doesn't just acquire brands -- he
revs them up.

unquote*

quote*

It should now be clear that even then Simon was not some kind of
burlap-shirted nutrition nut whose vision of creating America's leading
and most aggressive natural-foods company would lead accidentally to
his taking home more than $5 million last year (in salary, bonus, and
traded shares), to say nothing of his ownership of stock worth some $80
million.

Nope, Simon -- the sight of whom wolfing down a huge steak-and-pepper
hero might send Veggie Bacon enthusiasts into shock -- hardly came to
the natural/organic industry out of ideology. He simply observed that
the health-food stores metastasizing in half the malls in America were
onto something, then parlayed that into an aggressive and well-run
business through shrewdness, charm, good luck, and wisdom gained from a
solid apprenticeship in specialty foods. In fact, the only two brands
he worked with before setting off on his own were H?en-Dazs, which,
with Ben & Jerry's, actually invented its own unique subniche in
specialty foods -- call it frozen sin -- and Slim-Fast, which grew fat
sending backsliding high-calorie-ice-cream noshers back to the
supermarket for contrition. Beyond his flair for finance and branding,
Simon was able to recognize that good-for-you doesn't have to taste
like it: a typical Simon product can best be described as the synthesis
of sin and atonement in the same shiny wrapper.

unquote*

quote*

Though better-for-you foods is one way Simon describes his category, no
one really knows whether a daily diet of soy smoothies and spelt flakes
really improves human innards: fed enough of this stuff, lab rats may
or may not sprout green leaves for ears. Hain Celestial's message is
thus directed to the cerebrum's nodus guiltus: eat as much of this
stuff as you like, because it won't hurt you -- and to prove it's
better, note the price.

unquote*

yikes.....

TC
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:08 am    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

TC wrote:

Quote:
http://www.rheumatic.org/soy.htm

Here's another:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=79

http://www.whfoods.com/whoweare.php

Our people
George Mateljan, Founder
Joseph E. Pizzorno, Jr., N.D. (SaluGenecists)
Buck Levin, Ph.D., R.D. (SaluGenecists)
Kerry Evans, Ph.D. (SaluGenecists)
Mary Lane, Chef
Kim J. Mayer, N.D., L.M.P. (SaluGenecists)
Lara Pizzorno, M.A.(Div.), M.A.(Lit.), L.M.T. (SaluGenecists)
Stephanie Gailing, M.S., C.N. (SaluGenecists)
Suzanne Munson, M.S., R.D. (SaluGenecists)
Tenji Cowan, Photographer

**

Joseph E. Pizzorno, Jr., N.D.

President, Salugenecists, Inc.

Joseph E. Pizzorno, Jr., N.D., appointed in December 2000 to the White
House Commission on Complementary and Alternative Medicine Policy, is
one of the world's leading authorities on science-based natural
medicine. A pioneer in the field of natural medicine, Dr. Pizzorno is a
practical visionary who has dedicated his life to improving the health
of the human community. A licensed naturopathic physician in Washington
State since 1975, Dr. Pizzorno is co-founder and founding president of
Bastyr University, the first fully accredited, multidisciplinary
university of natural medicine in the United States. In 1996, he was
appointed to the Seattle/King County Board of Health, the first natural
medicine practitioner in the country to receive such an appointment.
His initiative and commitment inspired the creation of the first
comprehensive government-run natural medicine clinic in the country.
Elected Chair of the American Public Health Association Special Primary
Interest Group on Complementary and Alternative Medicine in 1999, Dr.
Pizzorno was invited to participate in the Josiah Macy, Jr., Foundation
Conference on Education of Health Professionals on Complementary and
Alternative Medicine, 2000. In June 2000, Dr. Pizzorno retired after 22
years from the presidency of Bastyr University, but remains affiliated
with the university as President Emeritus and serves as the Senior
Advisor to the President. Shortly after his retirement,the Cancer
Treatment Centers of America recognized him as "Humanitarian of The
Year" in September 2000. In March 2001, Natural Health Magazine
recognized him as one of the leading health educators of the past 30
years. Dr. Pizzorno is the author of Total Wellness and co-author of
the internationally acclaimed physician's reference, the Textbook of
Natural Medicine and best-selling consumer reference, Encyclopedia of
Natural Medicine (750,000 copies in six languages).

Dr. Pizzorno's most recent undertaking is the creation of a new
company, Salugenecists, Inc., (from "salud," which is French for
"health," and "genesis," creation), which is creating the next
generation of science-based, natural medicine health promotion and
disease reversal systems. Visit salugenecists.com for more information.

I'm not sure what exactly these "not for profit" guys are selling, but
I'm not buying. There's something fishy here.

You're right... 7 of the 100 top foods IS FISH! Cod, Halibut, Salmon,
Scallops, Shrimp, Snapper and Tuna. I think you're on to something.

Quote:
Hey wait a minute......

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_Oct/ai_92282936

George Mateljan, founder of Health Valley Foods, launches unique
website

The George Mateljan Foundation interactive website, www.whfoods.com,
launched in April provides reliable, scientifically accurate
information to make eating the world's healthiest foods easy,
convenient, and enjoyable.

George Mateljan, founder of "Health Valley Foods," America's first
healthy convenience food company, established the George Mateljan
Foundation. After years of travel and study to uncover "the world's
healthiest foods," Mateljan created this website to share his
discoveries. "I am passionate about helping people live longer,
healthier lives by eating the world's healthiest foods," said Mateljan.

http://www.healthvalley.com/

http://www.c-els.com/default.asp?sn=E100420020060048

http://www.healthvalley.com/search/index.php

do a search for soy on health valleys website. here are my results

Documents 1 - 10 of 420 matches. More 's indicate a better match.
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Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes with Raisins combines the healthy benefits ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=33&cat_id=8
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Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes with Raisins combines the healthy benefits ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=33&cat_id=9
07/08/05, 15945 bytes
Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes with Raisins combines the healthy benefits ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=33&cat_id=11
07/08/05, 15943 bytes
Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes contains the healthy benefits of soy protein ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=32&cat_id=8
07/08/05, 15839 bytes
Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes contains the healthy benefits of soy protein ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=32&cat_id=9
07/08/05, 15841 bytes
Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes contains the healthy benefits of soy protein ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=32&cat_id=11
07/08/05, 15839 bytes
Original Soy O's? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy O's? Cereal
Click for larger image. Health Valley SoyO's is the first cereal made
with the healthy benefits of soy protein and organic ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=34&cat_id=8
07/08/05, 15632 bytes
Original Soy O's? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy O's? Cereal
Click for larger image. Health Valley SoyO's is the first cereal made
with the healthy benefits of soy protein and organic ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=34&cat_id=9
07/08/05, 15634 bytes
Original Soy O's? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy O's? Cereal
Click for larger image. Health Valley SoyO's is the first cereal made
with the healthy benefits of soy protein and organic ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=34&cat_id=11
07/08/05, 15632 bytes
Apple Cinnamon Soy O's? Cereal
... Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber Fat Free
Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Apple Cinnamon Soy O's? Cereal
Click for larger image. Health Valley SoyO's is the first cereal made
with the healthy benefits of soy protein and oarganic oats ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=36&cat_id=11
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So a non-profit is really gung-ho on soy. Pretty impressive supporters,
being non-profit and all, eh? Except that the person who set up this
apparently independent, self-sacrificing, for-the-good-of-humanity,
non-profit actually sells many many products loaded with soy.
Hmmmm....... couldn't be a connection. I must just be paranoid.

Those sneaky rotten bastards! Slipping soy, a healthy nutritious food
that has been consumed by humans for thousands of years, with other
healthy nutritious foods that humans have been consuming for thousands
of years. How dare they?!

Quote:
I guess we can take the word of this non-profit that their owners and
founders and funders for-profit product is among the worlds healthiest
foods. Yep, I'm convinced.

They probably have their dirty hands all over/in the brussels sprouts,
turnip greens, apricot and asparagus markets too!!

Quote:
I think I'll start feeding my children this wonderful healthiest food and ignore the actual > science.

I'm with you! From now on I'm only eating foods that are not on their
list like hot dogs, donuts, cheese burgers, potato chips and then I'm
going to wash it all down with a glass of bacon grease.

Quote:
Pretty darned slimey of this for-profit to actually create a non-profit
to sell their products. And worst of all they present it not just as
edible but as one of the *healthiest* foods in the world. I would think
that this would open them up to some kind of legal liability.

Good idea. I'm suing their asses! After twenty plus years of eating
the foods on their list my 43-year old body is suffering with a 30-inch
waist, I sweat after working out in the gym for two hours and my poor
heart can only propel me to a 1:39 half marathon. Where is Judge Judy
when you need her?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:51 am    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

TC wrote:

Quote:
http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=HAIN&script=2100

The Hain Celestial Group, headquartered in Melville , NY, is a leading
natural and organic beverage, snack, specialty food and personal care
products company in North America and Europe. Hain Celestial is a
leader in almost all natural food categories-Beverages, Specialty
Tea, Snacks, Grocery, Frozen Foods-and the natural Personal Care
category with well-known brands that include:

Celestial Seasonings®,

Green Tea. Good stuff!

Quote:
Terra Chips®,

They sell a potato chip that is made from sweet potatoes, canola oil
and/or safflower oil and/or sunflower oil. They are YUMMY! In fact,
I'm eating some as I write this.

Quote:
Garden of Eatin'®, Health Valley®, WestSoy®, Earth's
Best®, Arrowhead Mills®,

Mmm... Arrowhead Mills, amongst their other products, markets an
organic Amarath flour that I love. Awesome stuff! Amarath is always
part of a multigrain flour mix my family uses.

Quote:
Hain Pure Foods®, Breadshop's®, Casbah®,
Carb Fit™, DeBoles®, Nile Spice®, Westbrae Natural®, Rice Dream®,
Imagine®, Soy Dream®, Walnut Acres Certified Organic®, Rosetto®,
Ethnic Gourmet®, Yves Veggie Cuisine®, The Good Dog®, and in Europe,
Lima®, Biomarché®, Natumi®, and Milkfree®. The Company's principle
specialty product lines include Hollywood® cooking oils, Estee®
sugar-free products, Boston Better Snacks™, and Alba Foods®. The
Company's personal care product lines consist primarily of JASON®
pure, natural and organic products, and Zia® Natural Skincare. The
Hain Celestial Group common stock trades on the NASDAQ® National
Market under the symbol HAIN.

I've seen the Hain name, but the others I don't recognize.

Quote:
Health Valley is part of the HAIN corporation. Run by Irwin Simon.

http://www.inc.com/magazine/20020301/23926.html

quote:*

Simon's Hain Celestial Group Inc. is the market leader in the kind of
foods made of stuff that only a decade ago most people didn't consider
food at all. They're weird bits of once-orphaned vegetation that have
been transmogrified into some 29 brands and 1,500 individual products:
soy smoothies, organic crackers, natural cereals that surprise you by
tasting good -- exquisitely balanced on the other end of the taste
scale by a line of fake meat that includes such Star Trek-ian
improbabilities as Veggie Breakfast Links, actually not bad; a Veggie
Pizza Pepperoni, with all the palatability of Silly Putty; and a pure
monstrosity called Veggie Ground Round Italian, a product that manages
to simultaneously libel high-end hamburger and an entire European
country.

Sounds like a fear of new and healthy foods from someone who has been
conditioned to shovel down loads of greasy meat products manufactured
from steroid-pumped, antibiotic-laced "farm" animals that resemble lab
expirements.

Quote:
More typical is a panoply of teas that could have been conceived only by people who
wear Birkenstocks,

What's wrong with teas?

Quote:
live in wind-powered log houses,

What's wrong with wind power and log homes?

Quote:
and practice a religion symbolized by a peace sign the size of Mama Cass.

And "traditional" religions aren't strange?

Quote:
But be patient. Simon doesn't just acquire brands -- he
revs them up.
unquote*

Nice piece of writing from Inc Magazine. Could they be a bunch of
suits who are bummed they missed out on an opportunity?

Quote:
quote*

It should now be clear that even then Simon was not some kind of
burlap-shirted nutrition nut whose vision of creating America's leading
and most aggressive natural-foods company would lead accidentally to
his taking home more than $5 million last year (in salary, bonus, and
traded shares), to say nothing of his ownership of stock worth some $80
million.

Organic/natural foods are [finally] catching on. Yet, their take of
the total food market is still very small. Wanna shock us with a
number? Show us how much the food companies that market the old crappy
foods are banking per year?

Quote:
Nope, Simon -- the sight of whom wolfing down a huge steak-and-pepper
hero might send Veggie Bacon enthusiasts into shock -- hardly came to
the natural/organic industry out of ideology. He simply observed that
the health-food stores metastasizing in half the malls in America were
onto something, then parlayed that into an aggressive and well-run
business through shrewdness, charm, good luck, and wisdom gained from a
solid apprenticeship in specialty foods. In fact, the only two brands
he worked with before setting off on his own were H?en-Dazs, which,
with Ben & Jerry's, actually invented its own unique subniche in
specialty foods -- call it frozen sin -- and Slim-Fast, which grew fat
sending backsliding high-calorie-ice-cream noshers back to the
supermarket for contrition.

Ice cream and Slim Fast? No thanks! But offer me organic whole
grains, and any other healthy food and I'm buying.

Quote:
Beyond his flair for finance and branding,
Simon was able to recognize that good-for-you doesn't have to taste
like it: a typical Simon product can best be described as the synthesis
of sin and atonement in the same shiny wrapper.

unquote*

quote*

Though better-for-you foods is one way Simon describes his category, no
one really knows whether a daily diet of soy smoothies

I make my own smoothies. I use a banana, milk, fresh berries, a little
wheat germ, and some nuts...mmm... there's nothing better on a hot
afternoon!

Quote:
and spelt flakes

Spelt, one of my favorite grains!

Quote:
really improves human innards: fed enough of this stuff, lab rats may
or may not sprout green leaves for ears.

Yeah, you're much safer eating the lab animals... I mean farm animals.


Quote:
Hain Celestial's message is thus directed to the cerebrum's nodus guiltus: eat as
much of this stuff as you like, because it won't hurt you -- and to prove it's
better, note the price.

Yep, sometimes getting the good stuff costs a little more. Case in
point: Meat from natually raised Bison cost more than beef coming out a
production-line style factories. Or organic produce is more expensive
compared to "conventionally" (and I use that term loosely) grown.

Quote:
unquote*
yikes.....

Don't be surprised. It's about time more people realize there's more
than enriched wheat flour, more types of meat than just chicken, pork,
fish and beef, that milk doesn't only come from cows, vegetables
include more than just corn, peas, potatoes, tomatoes and lettuce, and
there are fruits other than apples and oranges. Let alone the people
who think Captain Crunch is real cereal, meat only comes in the form of
a hamburger/hotdog, dairy is the cheese on a pizza, vegetables are the
things you pick out of a MSG-laden bowl of soup, and fruit = Kool Aid.


If they only knew the goodness they were missing out on with
unconventional/non-traditional foods like quinoa, red or white teas,
pomegranates, meat from ostrich, etc. Makes me hungry just thinking
about them!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:39 am    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:
Quote:
TC wrote:

http://www.rheumatic.org/soy.htm

Here's another:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=79

http://www.whfoods.com/whoweare.php

Our people
George Mateljan, Founder
Joseph E. Pizzorno, Jr., N.D. (SaluGenecists)
Buck Levin, Ph.D., R.D. (SaluGenecists)
Kerry Evans, Ph.D. (SaluGenecists)
Mary Lane, Chef
Kim J. Mayer, N.D., L.M.P. (SaluGenecists)
Lara Pizzorno, M.A.(Div.), M.A.(Lit.), L.M.T. (SaluGenecists)
Stephanie Gailing, M.S., C.N. (SaluGenecists)
Suzanne Munson, M.S., R.D. (SaluGenecists)
Tenji Cowan, Photographer

**

Joseph E. Pizzorno, Jr., N.D.

President, Salugenecists, Inc.

Joseph E. Pizzorno, Jr., N.D., appointed in December 2000 to the White
House Commission on Complementary and Alternative Medicine Policy, is
one of the world's leading authorities on science-based natural
medicine. A pioneer in the field of natural medicine, Dr. Pizzorno is a
practical visionary who has dedicated his life to improving the health
of the human community. A licensed naturopathic physician in Washington
State since 1975, Dr. Pizzorno is co-founder and founding president of
Bastyr University, the first fully accredited, multidisciplinary
university of natural medicine in the United States. In 1996, he was
appointed to the Seattle/King County Board of Health, the first natural
medicine practitioner in the country to receive such an appointment.
His initiative and commitment inspired the creation of the first
comprehensive government-run natural medicine clinic in the country.
Elected Chair of the American Public Health Association Special Primary
Interest Group on Complementary and Alternative Medicine in 1999, Dr.
Pizzorno was invited to participate in the Josiah Macy, Jr., Foundation
Conference on Education of Health Professionals on Complementary and
Alternative Medicine, 2000. In June 2000, Dr. Pizzorno retired after 22
years from the presidency of Bastyr University, but remains affiliated
with the university as President Emeritus and serves as the Senior
Advisor to the President. Shortly after his retirement,the Cancer
Treatment Centers of America recognized him as "Humanitarian of The
Year" in September 2000. In March 2001, Natural Health Magazine
recognized him as one of the leading health educators of the past 30
years. Dr. Pizzorno is the author of Total Wellness and co-author of
the internationally acclaimed physician's reference, the Textbook of
Natural Medicine and best-selling consumer reference, Encyclopedia of
Natural Medicine (750,000 copies in six languages).

Dr. Pizzorno's most recent undertaking is the creation of a new
company, Salugenecists, Inc., (from "salud," which is French for
"health," and "genesis," creation), which is creating the next
generation of science-based, natural medicine health promotion and
disease reversal systems. Visit salugenecists.com for more information.

I'm not sure what exactly these "not for profit" guys are selling, but
I'm not buying. There's something fishy here.

You're right... 7 of the 100 top foods IS FISH! Cod, Halibut, Salmon,
Scallops, Shrimp, Snapper and Tuna. I think you're on to something.

Hey wait a minute......

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_Oct/ai_92282936

George Mateljan, founder of Health Valley Foods, launches unique
website

The George Mateljan Foundation interactive website, www.whfoods.com,
launched in April provides reliable, scientifically accurate
information to make eating the world's healthiest foods easy,
convenient, and enjoyable.

George Mateljan, founder of "Health Valley Foods," America's first
healthy convenience food company, established the George Mateljan
Foundation. After years of travel and study to uncover "the world's
healthiest foods," Mateljan created this website to share his
discoveries. "I am passionate about helping people live longer,
healthier lives by eating the world's healthiest foods," said Mateljan.

http://www.healthvalley.com/

http://www.c-els.com/default.asp?sn=E100420020060048

http://www.healthvalley.com/search/index.php

do a search for soy on health valleys website. here are my results

Documents 1 - 10 of 420 matches. More 's indicate a better match.
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Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes with Raisins combines the healthy benefits ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=33&cat_id=8
07/08/05, 15943 bytes
Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes with Raisins combines the healthy benefits ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=33&cat_id=9
07/08/05, 15945 bytes
Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Raisin Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes with Raisins combines the healthy benefits ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=33&cat_id=11
07/08/05, 15943 bytes
Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes contains the healthy benefits of soy protein ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=32&cat_id=8
07/08/05, 15839 bytes
Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes contains the healthy benefits of soy protein ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=32&cat_id=9
07/08/05, 15841 bytes
Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy Flakes? Cereal
Click for larger image. Every delicious spoonful of Health Valley's
Soy Flakes contains the healthy benefits of soy protein ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=32&cat_id=11
07/08/05, 15839 bytes
Original Soy O's? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy O's? Cereal
Click for larger image. Health Valley SoyO's is the first cereal made
with the healthy benefits of soy protein and organic ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=34&cat_id=8
07/08/05, 15632 bytes
Original Soy O's? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy O's? Cereal
Click for larger image. Health Valley SoyO's is the first cereal made
with the healthy benefits of soy protein and organic ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=34&cat_id=9
07/08/05, 15634 bytes
Original Soy O's? Cereal
... Crackers Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber
Fat Free Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Original Soy O's? Cereal
Click for larger image. Health Valley SoyO's is the first cereal made
with the healthy benefits of soy protein and organic ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=34&cat_id=11
07/08/05, 15632 bytes
Apple Cinnamon Soy O's? Cereal
... Pet Foods Meal Cups Scones Sodas Soups GMO Free High Fiber Fat Free
Low Fat No Trans Fats Organic Apple Cinnamon Soy O's? Cereal
Click for larger image. Health Valley SoyO's is the first cereal made
with the healthy benefits of soy protein and oarganic oats ...
http://www.healthvalley.com/products/product.php?prod_id=36&cat_id=11
07/08/05, 15721 bytes

So a non-profit is really gung-ho on soy. Pretty impressive supporters,
being non-profit and all, eh? Except that the person who set up this
apparently independent, self-sacrificing, for-the-good-of-humanity,
non-profit actually sells many many products loaded with soy.
Hmmmm....... couldn't be a connection. I must just be paranoid.

Those sneaky rotten bastards! Slipping soy, a healthy nutritious food
that has been consumed by humans for thousands of years, with other
healthy nutritious foods that humans have been consuming for thousands
of years. How dare they?!

I guess we can take the word of this non-profit that their owners and
founders and funders for-profit product is among the worlds healthiest
foods. Yep, I'm convinced.

They probably have their dirty hands all over/in the brussels sprouts,
turnip greens, apricot and asparagus markets too!!

I think I'll start feeding my children this wonderful healthiest food and ignore the actual > science.

I'm with you! From now on I'm only eating foods that are not on their
list like hot dogs, donuts, cheese burgers, potato chips and then I'm
going to wash it all down with a glass of bacon grease.

Pretty darned slimey of this for-profit to actually create a non-profit
to sell their products. And worst of all they present it not just as
edible but as one of the *healthiest* foods in the world. I would think
that this would open them up to some kind of legal liability.

Good idea. I'm suing their asses! After twenty plus years of eating
the foods on their list my 43-year old body is suffering with a 30-inch
waist, I sweat after working out in the gym for two hours and my poor
heart can only propel me to a 1:39 half marathon. Where is Judge Judy
when you need her?

Patrick

You really are an idiot. Go ahead, eat that crap. Feed it to your kids
too. Darwinism in action.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:30 am    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:

Quote:
They sell a potato chip that is made from sweet potatoes, canola oil
and/or safflower oil and/or sunflower oil. They are YUMMY! In fact,
I'm eating some as I write this.

What is a potato chip, but a big corn flake made out of potatoes?

Yeah, right, sure: Potato chips are yummy. And, you are surely the
mother load of good nutritional information.

Nah! I do NOT think so.

Don't like soy? Don't eat it!

Just thought that you might want to know that TC is nothing but a
chronic complainer. Name one positive thread that was ever posted by
TC.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha! I thought so.

You complainers have my condolences.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:31 pm    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
Quote:
NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:

They sell a potato chip that is made from sweet potatoes, canola oil
and/or safflower oil and/or sunflower oil. They are YUMMY! In fact,
I'm eating some as I write this.

What is a potato chip, but a big corn flake made out of potatoes?

Yeah, right, sure: Potato chips are yummy. And, you are surely the
mother load of good nutritional information.

Nah! I do NOT think so.

Don't like soy? Don't eat it!

Just thought that you might want to know that TC is nothing but a
chronic complainer. Name one positive thread that was ever posted by
TC.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha! I thought so.

You complainers have my condolences.

Do you realize that you've completely abandoned any attempts to add
anything to any discussion and are consumed with nothing more than
insulting me? I am flattered that you find me so fascinating and that
you follow my postings with such single minded determination to the
exclusion of any of your other interests. I take it as a compliment
every time you attack me, because that tells me that I am on the right
track. Thank you.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

TC wrote:
Quote:
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:

They sell a potato chip that is made from sweet potatoes, canola oil
and/or safflower oil and/or sunflower oil. They are YUMMY! In fact,
I'm eating some as I write this.

What is a potato chip, but a big corn flake made out of potatoes?

Yeah, right, sure: Potato chips are yummy. And, you are surely the
mother load of good nutritional information.

Nah! I do NOT think so.

Don't like soy? Don't eat it!

Just thought that you might want to know that TC is nothing but a
chronic complainer. Name one positive thread that was ever posted by
TC.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha! I thought so.

You complainers have my condolences.

Do you realize that you've completely abandoned any attempts to add
anything to any discussion and are consumed with nothing more than
insulting me? I am flattered that you find me so fascinating and that
you follow my postings with such single minded determination to the
exclusion of any of your other interests. I take it as a compliment
every time you attack me, because that tells me that I am on the right
track. Thank you.

Sorry, but I did NOT reply to you. :)

But, I see that the great TC himself is unable to name one positive
thread that he started.

You have my condolences.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:08 pm    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
Quote:
TC wrote:
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:

They sell a potato chip that is made from sweet potatoes, canola oil
and/or safflower oil and/or sunflower oil. They are YUMMY! In fact,
I'm eating some as I write this.

What is a potato chip, but a big corn flake made out of potatoes?

Yeah, right, sure: Potato chips are yummy. And, you are surely the
mother load of good nutritional information.

Nah! I do NOT think so.

Don't like soy? Don't eat it!

Just thought that you might want to know that TC is nothing but a
chronic complainer. Name one positive thread that was ever posted by
TC.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha! I thought so.

You complainers have my condolences.

Do you realize that you've completely abandoned any attempts to add
anything to any discussion and are consumed with nothing more than
insulting me? I am flattered that you find me so fascinating and that
you follow my postings with such single minded determination to the
exclusion of any of your other interests. I take it as a compliment
every time you attack me, because that tells me that I am on the right
track. Thank you.

Sorry, but I did NOT reply to you. :)

But, I see that the great TC himself is unable to name one positive
thread that he started.

I pointed out how you love doting your time and energy to my posts. I
told you that I was flattered. I explained how I consider your posts to
be compliments to me and I thanked you for that. How much more positive
can I be?

TC
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
Quote:
NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:

They sell a potato chip that is made from sweet potatos, canola oil
and/or safflower oil and/or sunflower oil. They are YUMMY! In fact,
I'm eating some as I write this.

What is a potato chip, but a big corn flake made out of potatoes?

Corn Flakes, of the Kellogg's variety, consist of enriched
[degerminated] flour, partially-hydrogenated oil, corn syrup, salt a
few other ingredients and are sprayed down with cheap synthetic
vitamins.

The potato chips I mentioned, again, are made from just sweet potatos
and a pure vegetable oil.

Quote:
Yeah, right, sure: Potato chips are yummy. And, you are surely the
mother load of good nutritional information.

Stay with me, bud. Read the difference; see the difference.

Quote:
Nah! I do NOT think so.
Don't like soy? Don't eat it!

Who said I didn't? I think you're missing some details. Please
re-read my post.

Quote:
Just thought that you might want to know that TC is nothing but a
chronic complainer.

So far I see him as being in the 1970s. He probably cooks his meat
using a Fondo.

Quote:
Name one positive thread that was ever posted by TC.Ha, ... Hah, Ha! I thought so.

I'm still looking/waiting.

Quote:
You complainers have my condolences.

Who's complaining?

Patrick
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:07 pm    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

TC wrote:

Quote:
You really are an idiot.

Just because someone disagrees with your diet plan doesn't make them an
idiot. My diet works for me, extremely well! I'm 5' 9" just under 170
pounds, I'm pretty ripped (my 6-pack shows quite nicely), I'm fairly
strong (my benchwork is with 80-100 pound dumbells, I'm flexible
because of all my stretching exercises, running a half-marathon (13.1
miles) isn't overly difficult for me to do, and my resting heart rate
is in the 30s.

Quote:
Go ahead, eat that crap.

I will because I find the more of it I consume the better I perform.
Case in point: Last year I ran a mile and half in 9:32. Then I stopped
running completely for 6 months. When I started running again I only
ran 5-6 times for about 20-30 minutes at a comfortable pace, and after
about three weeks with this prep I hit the timers again. Result: I was
still able to run a 10:08 in the mile and half. And I don't even
consider myself a runner. I usually only log around 10-15 miles a
week, but I'm not consistent. I skip weeks and sometimes I only run
5-10. I think that's pretty impressive performance for a 43 year-old,
don't you?

Quote:
Feed it to your kids too.

I did. They're now fully grown, happy, healthy and attending excellent
colleges.

Quote:
Darwinism in action.

You're missing out. You need to expand your diet. Eating a WIDE
variety of natural foods (start with WHFoods.com's list) is, IMO, key
to good health.

Patrick
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:44 pm    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:
Quote:
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:

They sell a potato chip that is made from sweet potatos, canola oil
and/or safflower oil and/or sunflower oil. They are YUMMY! In fact,
I'm eating some as I write this.

What is a potato chip, but a big corn flake made out of potatoes?

Corn Flakes, of the Kellogg's variety, consist of enriched
[degerminated] flour, partially-hydrogenated oil, corn syrup, salt a
few other ingredients and are sprayed down with cheap synthetic
vitamins.

The potato chips I mentioned, again, are made from just sweet potatos
and a pure vegetable oil.

What is a potato chip, but a big corn flake made out of potatoes?

If the best diet recommendation that you can make is to eat potato
chips, than I think that you are clearly lost.

I do NOT care how pure the safflower oil is. It is about the worst oil
anybody could use to deep fry. Furthermore, nobody interested in deep
frying potato chips is remotely interested in their health.

Who says so? I do.
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TC
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Joined: 02 May 2005
Posts: 1814

PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject: Re: concerns about soy - interesting article Reply with quote

NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:
Quote:
TC wrote:

You really are an idiot.

Just because someone disagrees with your diet plan doesn't make them an
idiot. My diet works for me, extremely well! I'm 5' 9" just under 170
pounds, I'm pretty ripped (my 6-pack shows quite nicely), I'm fairly
strong (my benchwork is with 80-100 pound dumbells, I'm flexible
because of all my stretching exercises, running a half-marathon (13.1
miles) isn't overly difficult for me to do, and my resting heart rate
is in the 30s.


It has nothing to do with disagreeing with me or not. Your entire
response was just stupid.

Quote:

Go ahead, eat that crap.

I will because I find the more of it I consume the better I perform.
Case in point: Last year I ran a mile and half in 9:32. Then I stopped
running completely for 6 months. When I started running again I only
ran 5-6 times for about 20-30 minutes at a comfortable pace, and after
about three weeks with this prep I hit the timers again. Result: I was
still able to run a 10:08 in the mile and half. And I don't even
consider myself a runner. I usually only log around 10-15 miles a
week, but I'm not consistent. I skip weeks and sometimes I only run
5-10. I think that's pretty impressive performance for a 43 year-old,
don't you?

Sure... right.....

Quote:

Feed it to your kids too.

I did. They're now fully grown, happy, healthy and attending excellent
colleges.

Yeah..... right....

Quote:

Darwinism in action.

You're missing out. You need to expand your diet. Eating a WIDE
variety of natural foods (start with WHFoods.com's list) is, IMO, key
to good health.

Patrick

I eat a wide variety of real food and I have achieved real health. Good
luck with your exotic, never-been-used-as-food, new-fangled,
manufactured, anti-nutrient crap food. You will need it.

Buh-bye....

TC
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