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Bryan Heit
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

Mark Probert wrote:
Quote:
PeterB wrote:

Vaccine-man wrote:

john wrote:

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/jepson.html

I especially like this part:

"There are a lot of people who believe that mercury is the cause of
autism. I think that mercury plays a role, but I don't think that the
removal of thimerosal from vaccines will cause autism to go away
completely. In fact, I know it won't because I've seen kids who
have not been exposed to thimerosal who are still autistic."

I'm rather surprised, john, that you might actually might be starting
to also believe that thimerosal is not connected to autism. Glad you're
coming over to our side.


I hate to disappoint you, Mr. Pharmablogger, but no one ever said
autism is soley attributable to thimerosal. Not everyone who gets
lung cancer is also a smoker, for instance. That doesn't mean smoking
is good for you.


Petey, while you were away, a study was reported which is virtually
conclusive on the issue of whether thimerosal causes autism. Guess what?
It doesn't.

However, of course, the anti-vac, pro-dead child liars, are trashing the
principal investigator. No surprise, since they do not have the facts on
their side any longer.

And, a court decision threw out Geier's and Haley's testiMONEY, as being
worthless. This case leads the way for the USDOJ to exclude their
testiMONEY in the upcoming omnibus claim, and probably toss out the
other so called experts.

Was it you who had the link the the judges findings in regards to this?
I thought I had saved the link, but it appears to be lost. If it was
you, would you mind re-posting it?

Thanx

Bryan
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HCN
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:31 am    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
news:e91i55$bir$1@news.ucalgary.ca...
....> Was it you who had the link the the judges findings in regards to this?
Quote:
I thought I had saved the link, but it appears to be lost. If it was
you, would you mind re-posting it?

Thanx

Bryan

Are you thinking of this:
http://www.neurodiversity.com/court/rhogam_decision.pdf
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Mark Probert
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:46 am    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

Bryan Heit wrote:
Quote:
Mark Probert wrote:
PeterB wrote:

Vaccine-man wrote:

john wrote:

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/jepson.html

I especially like this part:

"There are a lot of people who believe that mercury is the cause of
autism. I think that mercury plays a role, but I don't think that the
removal of thimerosal from vaccines will cause autism to go away
completely. In fact, I know it won't because I've seen kids who
have not been exposed to thimerosal who are still autistic."

I'm rather surprised, john, that you might actually might be starting
to also believe that thimerosal is not connected to autism. Glad you're
coming over to our side.


I hate to disappoint you, Mr. Pharmablogger, but no one ever said
autism is soley attributable to thimerosal. Not everyone who gets
lung cancer is also a smoker, for instance. That doesn't mean smoking
is good for you.


Petey, while you were away, a study was reported which is virtually
conclusive on the issue of whether thimerosal causes autism. Guess
what? It doesn't.

However, of course, the anti-vac, pro-dead child liars, are trashing
the principal investigator. No surprise, since they do not have the
facts on their side any longer.

And, a court decision threw out Geier's and Haley's testiMONEY, as
being worthless. This case leads the way for the USDOJ to exclude
their testiMONEY in the upcoming omnibus claim, and probably toss out
the other so called experts.

Was it you who had the link the the judges findings in regards to this?
I thought I had saved the link, but it appears to be lost. If it was
you, would you mind re-posting it?

Being the investigator that I am, I have found the missing link:

http://www.neurodiversity.com/court/rhogam_decision.pdf
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Mark Probert
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:51 am    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

HCN wrote:
Quote:
"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
news:e91i55$bir$1@news.ucalgary.ca...
...> Was it you who had the link the the judges findings in regards to this?
I thought I had saved the link, but it appears to be lost. If it was
you, would you mind re-posting it?

Thanx

Bryan

Are you thinking of this:
http://www.neurodiversity.com/court/rhogam_decision.pdf

Kathleen now has it on Neurodiversity in HTML.
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HCN
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:08 am    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:eBYsg.511$W%2.494@fe09.lga...
Quote:
HCN wrote:
"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
news:e91i55$bir$1@news.ucalgary.ca...
...> Was it you who had the link the the judges findings in regards to
this?
I thought I had saved the link, but it appears to be lost. If it was
you, would you mind re-posting it?

Thanx

Bryan

Are you thinking of this:
http://www.neurodiversity.com/court/rhogam_decision.pdf

Kathleen now has it on Neurodiversity in HTML.

Okay, good to know.
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HCN
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:13 am    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:eBYsg.511$W%2.494@fe09.lga...
Quote:
HCN wrote:
"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
news:e91i55$bir$1@news.ucalgary.ca...
...> Was it you who had the link the the judges findings in regards to
this?
I thought I had saved the link, but it appears to be lost. If it was
you, would you mind re-posting it?

Thanx

Bryan

Are you thinking of this:
http://www.neurodiversity.com/court/rhogam_decision.pdf

Kathleen now has it on Neurodiversity in HTML.

I see it now on the blog:
http://neurodiversity.com/weblog/article/102/plaintiffs-gambit-failed-rhogam-decision
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Mark Probert
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Posts: 1720

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:22 am    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

HCN wrote:
Quote:
"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:eBYsg.511$W%2.494@fe09.lga...
HCN wrote:
"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
news:e91i55$bir$1@news.ucalgary.ca...
...> Was it you who had the link the the judges findings in regards to
this?
I thought I had saved the link, but it appears to be lost. If it was
you, would you mind re-posting it?

Thanx

Bryan
Are you thinking of this:
http://www.neurodiversity.com/court/rhogam_decision.pdf
Kathleen now has it on Neurodiversity in HTML.

I see it now on the blog:
http://neurodiversity.com/weblog/article/102/plaintiffs-gambit-failed-rhogam-decision


the more I read it the more I am convinced that Geier and Haley should
look for jobs at McDonald's. The judge nailed Geier four square when he
noted that Geier's autism research was during the pendency of the case.
I have no doubt in my mind that Geier is now retroactively bootstrapping
his prior testimonies with this "research" and we have not seen the last
of his garbage.

Watch Neurodiversity for more on him. There is a really hot one on the way.
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cathyb
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Joined: 06 Jun 2005
Posts: 365

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:06 am    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

Mark Probert wrote:
Quote:
HCN wrote:
"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:eBYsg.511$W%2.494@fe09.lga...
HCN wrote:
"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
news:e91i55$bir$1@news.ucalgary.ca...
...> Was it you who had the link the the judges findings in regards to
this?
I thought I had saved the link, but it appears to be lost. If it was
you, would you mind re-posting it?

Thanx

Bryan
Are you thinking of this:
http://www.neurodiversity.com/court/rhogam_decision.pdf
Kathleen now has it on Neurodiversity in HTML.

I see it now on the blog:
http://neurodiversity.com/weblog/article/102/plaintiffs-gambit-failed-rhogam-decision


the more I read it the more I am convinced that Geier and Haley should
look for jobs at McDonald's. The judge nailed Geier four square when he
noted that Geier's autism research was during the pendency of the case.
I have no doubt in my mind that Geier is now retroactively bootstrapping
his prior testimonies with this "research" and we have not seen the last
of his garbage.

Watch Neurodiversity for more on him. There is a really hot one on the way.


"...the Court finds that Dr. Geier's application of the differential
diagnosis technique suffers from its own irregularities. First, the
Court notes that Dr. Geier is not a pediatrician or a pediatric
neurologist. In fact, testimony was presented to the Court that Dr.
Geier was not even successful in sitting for his Medical Board
examination in the specific field of pediatric genetics. (See
Transcript, Vol. II of III, Document #121, at 65.) Thus, there is a
threshold question as to whether Dr. Geier is even qualified to perform
a differential diagnosis so as to give a causation opinion with respect
to the cause of a neurological disorder such as autism ..."

That was a lovely read, thank you.

Cathy
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Bryan Heit
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:08 pm    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

HCN wrote:
Quote:
"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
news:e91i55$bir$1@news.ucalgary.ca...
...> Was it you who had the link the the judges findings in regards to this?

I thought I had saved the link, but it appears to be lost. If it was
you, would you mind re-posting it?

Thanx

Bryan


Are you thinking of this:
http://www.neurodiversity.com/court/rhogam_decision.pdf

That's it, thanx

Bryan
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Mark Probert
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:19 pm    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

cathyb wrote:
Quote:
Mark Probert wrote:
HCN wrote:
"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:eBYsg.511$W%2.494@fe09.lga...
HCN wrote:
"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
news:e91i55$bir$1@news.ucalgary.ca...
...> Was it you who had the link the the judges findings in regards to
this?
I thought I had saved the link, but it appears to be lost. If it was
you, would you mind re-posting it?

Thanx

Bryan
Are you thinking of this:
http://www.neurodiversity.com/court/rhogam_decision.pdf
Kathleen now has it on Neurodiversity in HTML.
I see it now on the blog:
http://neurodiversity.com/weblog/article/102/plaintiffs-gambit-failed-rhogam-decision

the more I read it the more I am convinced that Geier and Haley should
look for jobs at McDonald's. The judge nailed Geier four square when he
noted that Geier's autism research was during the pendency of the case.
I have no doubt in my mind that Geier is now retroactively bootstrapping
his prior testimonies with this "research" and we have not seen the last
of his garbage.

Watch Neurodiversity for more on him. There is a really hot one on the way.


"...the Court finds that Dr. Geier's application of the differential
diagnosis technique suffers from its own irregularities. First, the
Court notes that Dr. Geier is not a pediatrician or a pediatric
neurologist. In fact, testimony was presented to the Court that Dr.
Geier was not even successful in sitting for his Medical Board
examination in the specific field of pediatric genetics. (See
Transcript, Vol. II of III, Document #121, at 65.) Thus, there is a
threshold question as to whether Dr. Geier is even qualified to perform
a differential diagnosis so as to give a causation opinion with respect
to the cause of a neurological disorder such as autism ..."

That was a lovely read, thank you.

There is more to come.
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ziggittes@yahoo.com
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:33 pm    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

john wrote:
Quote:
"Vaccine-man" <ziggittes@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1152635330.225963.33990@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
john wrote:
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/jepson.html

I especially like this part:

"There are a lot of people who believe that mercury is the cause of
autism. I think that mercury plays a role, but I don't think that the
removal of thimerosal from vaccines will cause autism to go away
completely. In fact, I know it won't because I've seen kids who
have not been exposed to thimerosal who are still autistic."

I'm rather surprised, john, that you might actually might be starting
to also believe that thimerosal is not connected to autism. Glad you're
coming over to our side.


Mercury doesn't cause or contribute to autism? He doesn't say that, the
bottle with the deaths head on it is a sort of clue, but you see what you
want to see, your time is going to be up afore long

Dude, the word he (and I) used was "thimerosal" - not mercury. Do you
have reading comprehension issues?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:59 pm    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

"Vaccine-man" <ziggittes@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1152714798.314094.160740@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Quote:



Mercury doesn't cause or contribute to autism? He doesn't say that, the
bottle with the deaths head on it is a sort of clue, but you see what you
want to see, your time is going to be up afore long

Dude, the word he (and I) used was "thimerosal" - not mercury. Do you
have reading comprehension issues?


You are clutching at straws, but you vaccine boys need to
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:13 pm    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

Mark Probert wrote:
Quote:
PeterB wrote:
Mark wrote:
john wrote:
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/jepson.html

So Dr. Jepson is an emergency medicine doctor who works at an autism
treatment center in Utah headed up by executive director...wait for
it...Dr. Andrew Wakefield!!!

I wonder if Wakefield got this job before or after he was reprimanded
in Britain for his shenanigans surrounding his 1998 paper.

Ad hominem.

Coming from the person who uses poisoning the well and ad hominem as you
do makes me believe that you had your last vestiges of humility removed.

Coming from one whose last vestiges of humility were on his ancestors,
that's pretty funny.

Quote:
Vaccines have never been proven safe, regardless.

No one claims that they are 100% safe. There are times that I laugh so
hard from reading your posts that I cannot catch my breath.

That's from swallowing your own bs for so long. You are laughing
diarrhea.
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Jeff
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:18 pm    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

"john" <sc@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

"Vaccine-man" <ziggittes@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1152714798.314094.160740@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...



Mercury doesn't cause or contribute to autism? He doesn't say that,
the
bottle with the deaths head on it is a sort of clue, but you see what
you
want to see, your time is going to be up afore long

Dude, the word he (and I) used was "thimerosal" - not mercury. Do you
have reading comprehension issues?


You are clutching at straws, but you vaccine boys need to

No, he is pointing out that mercury and thimerasol are two different things.

In medicine and science, you need to pay attention to the details.

Jeff
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Mark Probert
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

PeterB wrote:
Quote:
Mark Probert wrote:
PeterB wrote:
Mark wrote:
john wrote:
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/jepson.html
So Dr. Jepson is an emergency medicine doctor who works at an autism
treatment center in Utah headed up by executive director...wait for
it...Dr. Andrew Wakefield!!!

I wonder if Wakefield got this job before or after he was reprimanded
in Britain for his shenanigans surrounding his 1998 paper.
Ad hominem.
Coming from the person who uses poisoning the well and ad hominem as you
do makes me believe that you had your last vestiges of humility removed.

Coming from one whose last vestiges of humility were on his ancestors,
that's pretty funny.

Did you make a point in that?

Quote:
Vaccines have never been proven safe, regardless.

No one claims that they are 100% safe. There are times that I laugh so
hard from reading your posts that I cannot catch my breath.

That's from swallowing your own bs for so long. You are laughing
diarrhea.

Incorrect. I was pointing out that reading your posts is not safe.
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