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ziggittes@yahoo.com
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:28 pm    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

john wrote:
Quote:
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/jepson.html

I especially like this part:

"There are a lot of people who believe that mercury is the cause of
autism. I think that mercury plays a role, but I don't think that the
removal of thimerosal from vaccines will cause autism to go away
completely. In fact, I know it won't because I've seen kids who
have not been exposed to thimerosal who are still autistic."

I'm rather surprised, john, that you might actually might be starting
to also believe that thimerosal is not connected to autism. Glad you're
coming over to our side.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:50 pm    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

Vaccine-man wrote:
Quote:
john wrote:
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/jepson.html

I especially like this part:

"There are a lot of people who believe that mercury is the cause of
autism. I think that mercury plays a role, but I don't think that the
removal of thimerosal from vaccines will cause autism to go away
completely. In fact, I know it won't because I've seen kids who
have not been exposed to thimerosal who are still autistic."

I'm rather surprised, john, that you might actually might be starting
to also believe that thimerosal is not connected to autism. Glad you're
coming over to our side.

I hate to disappoint you, Mr. Pharmablogger, but no one ever said
autism is soley attributable to thimerosal. Not everyone who gets
lung cancer is also a smoker, for instance. That doesn't mean smoking
is good for you.

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ziggittes@yahoo.com
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:56 pm    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

PeterB wrote:

Quote:
I hate to disappoint you,

I'm sure you do.

Quote:
Mr. Pharmablogger,

Wow, "pharmablogger" - did you invent a new word?

Quote:
but no one ever said autism is soley attributable to thimerosal.

It's not even remotely associated with thimerosal. The point is, john
has a document on his web page from a physician ("allopath") who
accepts that vaccines (and thimerosal) are not associated with the
incidence of autisms.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

Vaccine-man wrote:
Quote:
PeterB wrote:

I hate to disappoint you,

I'm sure you do.

Mr. Pharmablogger,

Wow, "pharmablogger" - did you invent a new word?

but no one ever said autism is soley attributable to thimerosal.

It's not even remotely associated with thimerosal. The point is, john
has a document on his web page from a physician ("allopath") who
accepts that vaccines (and thimerosal) are not associated with the
incidence of autisms.

No, he simply quotes a physician who acknowledges that for every
disease process, there can be multiple vectors. He does not say that
thimerosal in vaccine has not been associated with autism.

PeterB
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PeterB
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

Vaccine-man wrote:
Quote:
PeterB wrote:

I hate to disappoint you,

I'm sure you do.

Mr. Pharmablogger,

Wow, "pharmablogger" - did you invent a new word?

but no one ever said autism is soley attributable to thimerosal.

It's not even remotely associated with thimerosal. The point is, john
has a document on his web page from a physician ("allopath") who
accepts that vaccines (and thimerosal) are not associated with the
incidence of autisms.

No, he simply quotes a physician who acknowledges that for every
disease process, there can be multiple vectors. He does not say that
thimerosal in vaccine has never been associated with autism.

PeterB
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john
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:33 pm    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

"Vaccine-man" <ziggittes@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1152635330.225963.33990@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
john wrote:
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/jepson.html

I especially like this part:

"There are a lot of people who believe that mercury is the cause of
autism. I think that mercury plays a role, but I don't think that the
removal of thimerosal from vaccines will cause autism to go away
completely. In fact, I know it won't because I've seen kids who
have not been exposed to thimerosal who are still autistic."

I'm rather surprised, john, that you might actually might be starting
to also believe that thimerosal is not connected to autism. Glad you're
coming over to our side.


Mercury doesn't cause or contribute to autism? He doesn't say that, the
bottle with the deaths head on it is a sort of clue, but you see what you
want to see, your time is going to be up afore long
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mlowry3@bellsouth.net
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:51 pm    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

john wrote:
Quote:
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/jepson.html


So Dr. Jepson is an emergency medicine doctor who works at an autism
treatment center in Utah headed up by executive director...wait for
it...Dr. Andrew Wakefield!!!

I wonder if Wakefield got this job before or after he was reprimanded
in Britain for his shenanigans surrounding his 1998 paper.

Mark, MD
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PeterB
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:44 pm    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

Mark wrote:
Quote:
john wrote:
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/jepson.html


So Dr. Jepson is an emergency medicine doctor who works at an autism
treatment center in Utah headed up by executive director...wait for
it...Dr. Andrew Wakefield!!!

I wonder if Wakefield got this job before or after he was reprimanded
in Britain for his shenanigans surrounding his 1998 paper.

Ad hominem. Vaccines have never been proven safe, regardless.
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mlowry3@bellsouth.net
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:53 pm    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

PeterB wrote:
Quote:
Mark wrote:
john wrote:
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/jepson.html


So Dr. Jepson is an emergency medicine doctor who works at an autism
treatment center in Utah headed up by executive director...wait for
it...Dr. Andrew Wakefield!!!

I wonder if Wakefield got this job before or after he was reprimanded
in Britain for his shenanigans surrounding his 1998 paper.

Ad hominem. Vaccines have never been proven safe, regardless.


#1 -- Learn the meaning of the term "ad hominem".

#2 -- Dr. Wakefield has been shown to have committed at least two
serious ethical lapses while putting together his paper on the
purported (and now soundly discredited) MMR --> autism hypothesis.

#3 -- Nothing is 100% safe.

Mark, MD
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john
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:03 pm    Post subject: Conference Presentations: David Kirby Reply with quote

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/kirby6.html

Someone finally did the math and sent the resulting information to Merck in
1991. They decided to sit on the information and not share it. It wasn't
until 1999, when Congress had ordered the FDA to look at mercury in
medicines, that they finally shared their findings. One small group at the
FDA finally converted the dosages to micrograms. They added it all up and
found out that kids were being slammed with ten, 20, 30, 100 times more
mercury than they were supposed to get, and that it was being injected
directly into their little bodies. I did some of the math the other day and
I couldn't believe my eyes. I actually had to double-check my figures
because I couldn't believe it. If you figure that at two months, a
reasonably average baby weighs about ten pounds. That child should not be
exposed to more than 0.5 micrograms of mercury per day. But on one day, in
that second month, a child could get as much as three shots containing
mercury totaling 62.5 micrograms. That's 125 times over the EPA
limit.....When all is said and done and everything comes out, if it's proven
conclusively that mercury in vaccines led to the autism epidemic in this
country, and that Merck had that memo in 1991, then they are perhaps partly
culpable. 1991 was even before Hepatitis B was added to the vaccination
schedule, which obviously added to the mercury load with which we were
injecting our children. It would appear that Merck kept its mouth shut and a
decade of children were exposed to this stuff.

Let me tell you a little bit about Simpsonwood. The Simpsonwood Conference
Center meeting happened in June of 2000. When the CDC had looked at the data
(right after they said the mercury should come out), they decided to look
further and see if maybe mercury was harmful. How's that for timing? They
had a guy working for them from Belgium, who was just here for a couple of
years, Thomas Verstraeten. They dumped the mercury issue in his lap and
said, "Here, look at the numbers." As it turns out, he was probably a pretty
honorable guy. I think he just wanted to do good science, and he was so far
removed from American politics and pharmaceutical company politics that he
could try. He was honest. He ran the numbers and his first run of the
numbers was just shocking. They showed an elevated rate of autism of 7.62
for kids who received more than 25 micrograms at one month of age compared
to kids who received none. He sent his findings out, and, not liking the
numbers, they had him re-run them. So he re-stratified the kids and broke
them down to various categories and groups and he managed to get the autism
rate down to 2.48. Anything over 2.0 in a court of law is considered
causation. Remember, he started with 7.62. He wrote an e-mail to his
colleagues, a very famous e-mail called, "It Just Won't Go Away." I almost
titled the book that, because the phrase comes up repeatedly.

When you put the findings and the e-mails together, the situation comes into
context, and it becomes very clear what they were saying, and that they were
extremely concerned. An increased autism risk of 2.48 was clearly
unacceptable, so they re-ran the numbers again, adding more kids in, and got
the autism rate down to 1.69. Then they took the new figure and they had
this meeting at Simpsonwood where they invited the FDA, the drug company
people, the pediatrics people, and the government people, and they had a
little powwow. They didn't invite anybody from the public, including
SafeMinds. There was talk of inviting SafeMinds but, in the end, that group
didn't get an invitation. At this meeting Verstraeten spent two days
presenting his findings. There was a discussion and there was a transcriber
there.

I sometimes wonder if these people knew that they were being recorded,
because when you read the minutes you just can't believe the atrocities:
they're shocking. I'm sure they didn't think that the minutes would ever see
the light of day. Thank God for the Freedom of Information Act; America is a
great country. Thank God we have a media and thank God we have parents like
the ones in SafeMinds who stayed on top of this. Otherwise we would never
have gotten this information. I'm not even an investigative reporter. These
people just dumped documents on me and I went through them. That was hard,
but it wasn't as hard as what they did, and I really admire them.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:08 pm    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

Mark wrote:
Quote:
PeterB wrote:
Mark wrote:
john wrote:
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/jepson.html


So Dr. Jepson is an emergency medicine doctor who works at an autism
treatment center in Utah headed up by executive director...wait for
it...Dr. Andrew Wakefield!!!

I wonder if Wakefield got this job before or after he was reprimanded
in Britain for his shenanigans surrounding his 1998 paper.

Ad hominem. Vaccines have never been proven safe, regardless.


#1 -- Learn the meaning of the term "ad hominem".

I hope you will. Appealing to your prejudices rather than to the facts
of an issue doesn't make an argument. Do you have any RCTs proving
vaccine safety? No? I didn't think so.

Quote:
#2 -- Dr. Wakefield has been shown to have committed at least two
serious ethical lapses while putting together his paper on the
purported (and now soundly discredited) MMR --> autism hypothesis.

Another ad hominem. Wakefield is not the issue.
http://www.vran.org/vaccines/doctors/blaylock-covup.htm

Quote:
#3 -- Nothing is 100% safe.

Evidence based medicine requires that you determine the risk-adjusted
benefit of any medication before promoting it. That's never been done
for the majority of medical interventions, and certainly not for
vaccine.

PeterB
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:51 pm    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

PeterB wrote:
Quote:
Vaccine-man wrote:
john wrote:
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/jepson.html
I especially like this part:

"There are a lot of people who believe that mercury is the cause of
autism. I think that mercury plays a role, but I don't think that the
removal of thimerosal from vaccines will cause autism to go away
completely. In fact, I know it won't because I've seen kids who
have not been exposed to thimerosal who are still autistic."

I'm rather surprised, john, that you might actually might be starting
to also believe that thimerosal is not connected to autism. Glad you're
coming over to our side.

I hate to disappoint you, Mr. Pharmablogger, but no one ever said
autism is soley attributable to thimerosal. Not everyone who gets
lung cancer is also a smoker, for instance. That doesn't mean smoking
is good for you.

Petey, while you were away, a study was reported which is virtually
conclusive on the issue of whether thimerosal causes autism. Guess what?
It doesn't.

However, of course, the anti-vac, pro-dead child liars, are trashing the
principal investigator. No surprise, since they do not have the facts on
their side any longer.

And, a court decision threw out Geier's and Haley's testiMONEY, as being
worthless. This case leads the way for the USDOJ to exclude their
testiMONEY in the upcoming omnibus claim, and probably toss out the
other so called experts.

Further, I am aware of an upcoming expose of the Geier's, who are liars,
which make all of their previously reported lies seem insignificant in
comparison.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:53 pm    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

Vaccine-man wrote:
Quote:
PeterB wrote:

I hate to disappoint you,

I'm sure you do.

Mr. Pharmablogger,

Wow, "pharmablogger" - did you invent a new word?

Yes, Petey invented that as a form of the fallacy of "poisoning the
well" in his feeble and pathetic attempt to marginalize those with whom
he disagrees.

Quote:
but no one ever said autism is soley attributable to thimerosal.

It's not even remotely associated with thimerosal. The point is, john
has a document on his web page from a physician ("allopath") who
accepts that vaccines (and thimerosal) are not associated with the
incidence of autisms.

John does that, posts links that disagree with him to prove he is right.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:57 pm    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

PeterB wrote:
Quote:
Mark wrote:
john wrote:
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/jepson.html

So Dr. Jepson is an emergency medicine doctor who works at an autism
treatment center in Utah headed up by executive director...wait for
it...Dr. Andrew Wakefield!!!

I wonder if Wakefield got this job before or after he was reprimanded
in Britain for his shenanigans surrounding his 1998 paper.

Ad hominem.

Coming from the person who uses poisoning the well and ad hominem as you
do makes me believe that you had your last vestiges of humility removed.

Quote:
Vaccines have never been proven safe, regardless.

No one claims that they are 100% safe. There are times that I laugh so
hard from reading your posts that I cannot catch my breath.
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Bryan Heit
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: AUTISM: THE EVOLUTION OF A DISEASE by Bryan Jepson, MD Reply with quote

Mark Probert wrote:
Quote:
PeterB wrote:

Vaccine-man wrote:

john wrote:

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/jepson.html

I especially like this part:

"There are a lot of people who believe that mercury is the cause of
autism. I think that mercury plays a role, but I don't think that the
removal of thimerosal from vaccines will cause autism to go away
completely. In fact, I know it won't because I've seen kids who
have not been exposed to thimerosal who are still autistic."

I'm rather surprised, john, that you might actually might be starting
to also believe that thimerosal is not connected to autism. Glad you're
coming over to our side.


I hate to disappoint you, Mr. Pharmablogger, but no one ever said
autism is soley attributable to thimerosal. Not everyone who gets
lung cancer is also a smoker, for instance. That doesn't mean smoking
is good for you.


Petey, while you were away, a study was reported which is virtually
conclusive on the issue of whether thimerosal causes autism. Guess what?
It doesn't.

However, of course, the anti-vac, pro-dead child liars, are trashing the
principal investigator. No surprise, since they do not have the facts on
their side any longer.

And, a court decision threw out Geier's and Haley's testiMONEY, as being
worthless. This case leads the way for the USDOJ to exclude their
testiMONEY in the upcoming omnibus claim, and probably toss out the
other so called experts.

Was it you who had the link the the judges findings in regards to this?
I thought I had saved the link, but it appears to be lost. If it was
you, would you mind re-posting it?

Thanx

Bryan
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