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Keith P Walsh
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:27 am    Post subject: Re: Top Dentist Blames Electricity From Amalgams Reply with quote

On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:06:09 GMT, Joel344 <joeleichen@yahoo.com>
wrote:

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How many millivolts would that be?


I think you've missed something here.

In the old days when ignorance and arrogance still held sway, dentists
like Dr Philip Wander who both advocate and carry out the removal of
amalgam fillings on health grounds were hounded out of practice by the
authorities who regulate the dental profession.

That doesn't happen any more.

Nowadays all Dr Wander has to do is quote the kind of argument that
I've been promoting in this newsgroup for several years now and those
same "authorities" find themselves powerless to respond.

Shall I tell you why this is?

It's because when it comes to the thermoelectric and electromagnetic
behavior of amalgam dental fillings they're just as ignorant as you
are.

That's why.

Keith P Walsh

PS, questions regarding the electrical properties of metal amalgam
dental fillings can be found at:

http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/intro.htm

And the website for Dr Philip Wander's mercury-free dental practice in
Manchester, England, is at:

http://www.wanderdental.co.uk/mercuryfreedentistry.html
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Keith P Walsh
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:03 am    Post subject: Re: Top Dentist Blames Electricity From Amalgams Reply with quote

Tony Bad wrote:

Quote:

You're just too arrogant to acknowledge your own ignorance.


Well then, it would appear that we suffer from the same malady.

T

Well let's see shall we?

It has been demonstrated experimentally that metal amalgam dental
fillings generate electrical potentials with magnitudes of up to 350
millivolts*. See:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=Retrieve&list_uids=2231160&dopt=Citation

It has also been demonstrated experimentally that the resting potential
of the human neurological synapse is only 70 millivolts.

Quote:
From my own appreciation of the sensitivity of modern instrumentation
it is possible for me to at least imagine an experiment which might be

devised in order to investigate whether or not the neurological
function in the vicinity of the teeth of a person with amalgam dental
fillings is measurably different from that in the vicitity of the teeth
of a person without.

However, as far as I am aware, no such experiment has ever been
attempted. (Alternatively, if any such experiment has been attempted
then as far as I am aware the results are not generally available.)

By this reasoning I feel that I have identified a degree of ignorance,
which need not exist, as to whether or not the electrical potentials
generated by amalgam fillings are able to dissipate electrical energy
through the nerves in people's heads.

Now, I am perfectly willing (though not necessarily entirely happy) to
acknowledge that this ignorance is shared by myself.

The question is, are you willing to do the same?

Or are you too arrogant?

Keith P Walsh

(* other studies have demonstrated that these electrical potentials
appear to re-establish themselves quite quickly whenever they are
momentarily discharged, see:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2103035&dopt=Abstract

- which indicates that, rather than existing only fleetingly or
temporarily, these potentials might generally be regarded as an almost
permanent feature of metal amalgam fillings.)
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Tony Bad
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Top Dentist Blames Electricity From Amalgams Reply with quote

"Keith P Walsh" <keith.p.walsh@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:31:55 -0400, "Tony Bad"
spamspamspam@bakedbeans.spam> wrote:



Still the same old nonsense..

Good assessment of the topic!


You're just too arrogant to acknowledge your own ignorance.


Well then, it would appear that we suffer from the same malady.

T
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Keith P Walsh
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Top Dentist Blames Electricity From Amalgams Reply with quote

On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:31:55 -0400, "Tony Bad"
<spamspamspam@bakedbeans.spam> wrote:


Quote:

Still the same old nonsense..

Good assessment of the topic!


You're just too arrogant to acknowledge your own ignorance.

"Galvanic" activity (electrolysis) does not account for all of the
electrical behavior of metallic materials.

Far from it.

Metals, mixtures of metals, and dissimilar metals in contact with each
other are able to generate electrical potentials as a result of their
thermoelectric and electromagnetic properties

They do this in varying degrees according to the following physical
properties:

Electrical Conductivity (measured in siemens per metre)
Thermoelectric Coefficient (measured in volts per kelvin)
Permeability (measured in henrys per metre)
Permittivity (measured in farads per metre)

And there is no electrolysis involved.

In order to gain an accurate scientific understanding of the
electrical behavior of any material it is necessary to measure its
electrical properties.

However, in spite of the fact that metal amalgam dental fillings are
placed in children's teeth, it appears that no-one has ever even
attempted to measure any of the properties listed above for a typical
dental amalgam.

So it also appears that, with regard to the electromagnetic and
thermoelectric behavior of dental amalgams, everyone is ignorant.

Including you.

Keith P Walsh

PS, An elementary description of the thermoelectric effect can be seen
at:

http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/thermo2.htm

- and there really is no electrolysis involved.
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Tony Bad
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:31 am    Post subject: Re: Top Dentist Blames Electricity From Amalgams Reply with quote

"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
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carabelli wrote:
What is this soccer you're referring to. A card game?

carabelli

Still the same old nonsense..

Good assessment of the topic!

T
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jdrew63929@aol.com
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:18 am    Post subject: Re: Top Dentist Blames Electricity From Amalgams Reply with quote

carabelli wrote:
Quote:
What is this soccer you're referring to. A card game?

carabelli

Still the same old nonsense..when the subject is something SERIOUS.

Sad that.
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Dartos
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Top Dentist Blames Electricity From Amalgams Reply with quote

I had no idea you might fly down. However with fresh sweet
corn, garden tomatoes, scotcheroos, BBQ, and fireworks, it might
have been worth it.


Quote:
I think it's kind of like polo, but without the horses.

The chickens took about 3 hours and were delicious (ribs
were too of course).


And I wasn't invited?

Steve


What is this soccer you're referring to. A card game?

carabelli



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carabelli
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Top Dentist Blames Electricity From Amalgams Reply with quote

"Dartos" <tuthjockey@myturbonet.com> wrote in message
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I think it's kind of like polo, but without the horses.

OK, I saw highlights from the World Cup. Evidentally it's a game designed

for people with disabilities. Only a couple guys seemed capable of catching
the ball.

carabelli
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Joel M. Eichen
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:06 am    Post subject: Re: Top Dentist Blames Electricity From Amalgams Reply with quote

How many millivolts would that be?


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Mark & Steven Bornfel
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Top Dentist Blames Electricity From Amalgams Reply with quote

Dartos wrote:

Quote:


I think it's kind of like polo, but without the horses.

The chickens took about 3 hours and were delicious (ribs
were too of course).

And I wasn't invited?

Steve
Quote:

What is this soccer you're referring to. A card game?

carabelli




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Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
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Dartos
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Top Dentist Blames Electricity From Amalgams Reply with quote

I think it's kind of like polo, but without the horses.

The chickens took about 3 hours and were delicious (ribs
were too of course).

Quote:
What is this soccer you're referring to. A card game?

carabelli

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carabelli
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Top Dentist Blames Electricity From Amalgams Reply with quote

What is this soccer you're referring to. A card game?

carabelli
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Keith P Walsh
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Top Dentist Blames Electricity From Amalgams Reply with quote

On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:10:50 GMT, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
<bornfeldmung@dentaltwins.com> wrote:

Quote:
Keith P Walsh wrote:

A top dentist who numbers among his patients some of the World's
biggest soccer stars has spoken out about the adverse physiological
effects caused by the electrical behavior of dental amalgams.

Dr Philip Wander, who claims to have treated some of the English
soccer league's best known players (including international superstar
David Beckham) at his surgery in Manchester, England, makes the
following assertions regarding the electrical effects of amalgam
dental fillings:

"Nevertheless, as potentially damaging as mercury in the mouth is the
electricity itself. When testing teeth for electrical effects, I have
seen momentary sparks of up to one volt - enough to light a small
torch or flashlight. It's worth remembering that the currents
generated by amalgams are formed very close to the brain, which
ordinarily operated at far lower potentials (only a few millivolts).
The brain lies only a few millietres from the jaw bone, where the
roots of the teeth are inserted, just on the other side of the thin
cranial bone and the meninges (the three membranes enveloping the
brain and spinal cord). This kind of current can cause mental
dysfunction, which I often find in clinical practice."

See:

http://www.wanderdental.co.uk/mercuryfreedentistry.html

Is Dr Wander guilty of attempting to raise unnecessary concerns by
scaremongering?


I wouldn't judge Dr. Wander too harshly for that--it's just
advertising, and I've seen more egregious examples of this here in the
states.
I do wonder about his diagnosing of "mental disfunction" in his
dental practice, though.


But what's your opinion on the mainstream dental profession's
"ridiculously dumb error"?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Top Dentist Blames Electricity From Amalgams Reply with quote

Keith P Walsh wrote:

Quote:
A top dentist who numbers among his patients some of the World's
biggest soccer stars has spoken out about the adverse physiological
effects caused by the electrical behavior of dental amalgams.

Dr Philip Wander, who claims to have treated some of the English
soccer league's best known players (including international superstar
David Beckham) at his surgery in Manchester, England, makes the
following assertions regarding the electrical effects of amalgam
dental fillings:

"Nevertheless, as potentially damaging as mercury in the mouth is the
electricity itself. When testing teeth for electrical effects, I have
seen momentary sparks of up to one volt - enough to light a small
torch or flashlight. It's worth remembering that the currents
generated by amalgams are formed very close to the brain, which
ordinarily operated at far lower potentials (only a few millivolts).
The brain lies only a few millietres from the jaw bone, where the
roots of the teeth are inserted, just on the other side of the thin
cranial bone and the meninges (the three membranes enveloping the
brain and spinal cord). This kind of current can cause mental
dysfunction, which I often find in clinical practice."

See:

http://www.wanderdental.co.uk/mercuryfreedentistry.html

Is Dr Wander guilty of attempting to raise unnecessary concerns by
scaremongering?


I wouldn't judge Dr. Wander too harshly for that--it's just
advertising, and I've seen more egregious examples of this here in the
states.
I do wonder about his diagnosing of "mental disfunction" in his
dental practice, though.

Steve


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Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
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Keith P Walsh
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Top Dentist Blames Electricity From Amalgams Reply with quote

A top dentist who numbers among his patients some of the World's
biggest soccer stars has spoken out about the adverse physiological
effects caused by the electrical behavior of dental amalgams.

Dr Philip Wander, who claims to have treated some of the English
soccer league's best known players (including international superstar
David Beckham) at his surgery in Manchester, England, makes the
following assertions regarding the electrical effects of amalgam
dental fillings:

"Nevertheless, as potentially damaging as mercury in the mouth is the
electricity itself. When testing teeth for electrical effects, I have
seen momentary sparks of up to one volt - enough to light a small
torch or flashlight. It's worth remembering that the currents
generated by amalgams are formed very close to the brain, which
ordinarily operated at far lower potentials (only a few millivolts).
The brain lies only a few millietres from the jaw bone, where the
roots of the teeth are inserted, just on the other side of the thin
cranial bone and the meninges (the three membranes enveloping the
brain and spinal cord). This kind of current can cause mental
dysfunction, which I often find in clinical practice."

See:

http://www.wanderdental.co.uk/mercuryfreedentistry.html

Is Dr Wander guilty of attempting to raise unnecessary concerns by
scaremongering?

Or has the mainstream dental profession been making a ridiculously
dumb error for most of the last 200 years?

Keith P Walsh

PS, it appears that most dentists (including even Dr Wander perhaps)
have been taught to believe that dissimilar metals in contact with
each other are only able to produce an electrical current if they
become involved in an electrolytic reaction.

Not so.

It has been known for more than 160 years that metals, mixtures of
metals and dissimilar metals in contact with each othe are able to
dissipate electrical energy to their surroundings as a result of their
thermoelectric behavior.

AND THERE IS NO ELECTROLYSIS INVOLVED.

Does anyone know if anyone has ever attempted to measure the
thermoelectric properties of a typical dental amalgam?

(An elementary description of the thermoelectric effect can be seen
at:

http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/thermo2.htm

- and there really is no electrolysis involved.)
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