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PeterB
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Vaccine autism evidence overwhelming Reply with quote

Mark Probert wrote:
Quote:
PeterB wrote:
Jeff wrote:
John, you can repeat over and over again. But it is still false.

No, there are credible scientists saying your sponsors are full of it.

No one has sponsors, idiot.

Is that why you've denied it at a couple of hundred times?

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And, what credible scientists would those be?

http://www.ucsusa.org

Quote:
Why don't you read the reports from the CDC, IOM and AAP, and show us where
they are mistaken?

Unfortunately, conflicts of interest in governance at CDC, where
executive "leadership" is largely comprised of pharmaceutical
interests, means we can't just give them a pass. Read the article at
http://chetday.com/autismthimerosal.htm.

What about the conflicts of interest demonstrated by Haley and Geier?

As always, medical interventions require adequate evidence to support
their public use. This has *never* happened with vaccine, and I
predict it never will. The vaccine makers know that RCTs for vaccine
would end their marketability, hence those studies have never been
done. David Wright dredged up one RCT for chicken pox, done many years
ago, using just 63 subjects (a study too small to prove anything about
vaccine safety.) Historically, more death has been associated with
vaccine than with all other medical interventions combined. It's true
that vaccines are less dangerous today than they were 75 years ago, but
that doesn't make them safe.

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Mark Probert
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Vaccine autism evidence overwhelming Reply with quote

PeterB wrote:
Quote:
Mark Probert wrote:
PeterB wrote:
Jeff wrote:
John, you can repeat over and over again. But it is still false.
No, there are credible scientists saying your sponsors are full of it.
No one has sponsors, idiot.

Is that why you've denied it at a couple of hundred times?

I have denied it because it is bullshit.

Quote:
And, what credible scientists would those be?

http://www.ucsusa.org

I did two searches:

autism
Displaying results 1 - 1 of 1 item found.

1. EnergyNet Enrollment Form

thimerosal
No items found matching your query.


Now, you were saying that you knew of credible scientists....


Quote:
Why don't you read the reports from the CDC, IOM and AAP, and show us where
they are mistaken?
Unfortunately, conflicts of interest in governance at CDC, where
executive "leadership" is largely comprised of pharmaceutical
interests, means we can't just give them a pass. Read the article at
http://chetday.com/autismthimerosal.htm.
What about the conflicts of interest demonstrated by Haley and Geier?

As always, medical interventions require adequate evidence to support
their public use. This has *never* happened with vaccine, and I
predict it never will. The vaccine makers know that RCTs for vaccine
would end their marketability, hence those studies have never been
done. David Wright dredged up one RCT for chicken pox, done many years
ago, using just 63 subjects (a study too small to prove anything about
vaccine safety.) Historically, more death has been associated with
vaccine than with all other medical interventions combined. It's true
that vaccines are less dangerous today than they were 75 years ago, but
that doesn't make them safe.

PeterB
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Mark Probert
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Vaccine autism evidence overwhelming Reply with quote

CWatters wrote:
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"john" <sc@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:z9ydnTzDsYeoiS_ZRVnysw@bt.com...
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/mmr58.html

Discovering the causes,
treatment of autism ----David Ayoub, MD

It would be interesting to read some of the research papers he's written on
the subject. I couldn't find them using Google - I could only reports of his
media presentations and the like.

Ayoub is a diagnostic radiologist.

A GoogleScholar search:

Your search - "David Ayoub" - did not match any articles.

He may have four papers on Pubmed, none on autism or mercury.
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cathyb
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Vaccine autism evidence overwhelming Reply with quote

PeterB wrote:
Quote:
Mark Probert wrote:
PeterB wrote:
Jeff wrote:
John, you can repeat over and over again. But it is still false.

No, there are credible scientists saying your sponsors are full of it.

No one has sponsors, idiot.

Is that why you've denied it at a couple of hundred times?

Gosh, Petey: "If someone says that they're not a pharmablogger, then
they are a pharmablogger." I guess it's logic as well as statistics
that you're lacking. Your corporate masters must be getting pretty
embarassed by your long litany of goofs by now.

Quote:

And, what credible scientists would those be?

http://www.ucsusa.org

Why don't you read the reports from the CDC, IOM and AAP, and show us where
they are mistaken?

Unfortunately, conflicts of interest in governance at CDC, where
executive "leadership" is largely comprised of pharmaceutical
interests, means we can't just give them a pass. Read the article at
http://chetday.com/autismthimerosal.htm.

What about the conflicts of interest demonstrated by Haley and Geier?

As always, medical interventions require adequate evidence to support
their public use. This has *never* happened with vaccine, and I
predict it never will.

My word. The question was about conflicts of interest involving Haley
and Geier, and the response was an utterly irrelevant piece of
bullshit--Petey knows that the evidence amassed showing that
vaccination works is an enormous body of work, but since he doesn't
have the science or maths to understand any of it, he thinks it doesn't
count.

Still, it certainly is an in-your-face refusal to respond to the actual
question.


Quote:
The vaccine makers know that RCTs for vaccine
would end their marketability, hence those studies have never been
done. David Wright dredged up one RCT for chicken pox, done many years
ago, using just 63 subjects (a study too small to prove anything about
vaccine safety.) Historically, more death has been associated with
vaccine than with all other medical interventions combined. It's true
that vaccines are less dangerous today than they were 75 years ago, but
that doesn't make them safe.

Another incredible pile of steaming ( and irrelevant-to-the-question)
bullshit for which Petey has provided not a single shred of evidence.
Again.

Quote:

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David Wright
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:20 am    Post subject: Re: Vaccine autism evidence overwhelming Reply with quote

In article <1152645911.699476.17260@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
PeterB <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
Quote:

Mark Probert wrote:
PeterB wrote:
Jeff wrote:
John, you can repeat over and over again. But it is still false.

No, there are credible scientists saying your sponsors are full of it.

No one has sponsors, idiot.

Is that why you've denied it at a couple of hundred times?

And, what credible scientists would those be?

http://www.ucsusa.org

Why don't you read the reports from the CDC, IOM and AAP, and show us where
they are mistaken?

Unfortunately, conflicts of interest in governance at CDC, where
executive "leadership" is largely comprised of pharmaceutical
interests, means we can't just give them a pass. Read the article at
http://chetday.com/autismthimerosal.htm.

What about the conflicts of interest demonstrated by Haley and Geier?

As always, medical interventions require adequate evidence to support
their public use. This has *never* happened with vaccine, and I
predict it never will. The vaccine makers know that RCTs for vaccine
would end their marketability, hence those studies have never been
done. David Wright dredged up one RCT for chicken pox, done many years
ago, using just 63 subjects (a study too small to prove anything about
vaccine safety.)

I have no idea where you get these fascinating numbers, like "63." I
don't recall citing any such studies.

Of course, that merely glosses over the fact that you are either too
lazy or too stupid to search out any studies yourself -- you'd rather
just jam your fingers in your ears and assert that the studies don't
exist. Well, they do, bub. (see below my .sig).

Of course, you will invariably assert that any study is simply not
adequate, for whatever reason you choose to invent, but that doesn't
require anyone else to join you in your little fantasyland. I just
didn't want your falsehoods to go unanswered.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth

Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2004 Feb;23(2):132-7. Related Articles, Links
Click here to read
Ten year follow-up of healthy children who received one or two
injections of varicella vaccine.

Kuter B, Matthews H, Shinefield H, Black S, Dennehy P, Watson B,
Reisinger K, Kim LL, Lupinacci L, Hartzel J, Chan I; Study Group for
Varivax.

Merck Research Laboratories, PO Box 4, West Point, PA 19486, USA.
barbara_kuter@merck.com

BACKGROUND: The rate of varicella and persistence of varicella
antibody after a one dose vs. a two dose regimen of varicella virus
vaccine live Oka/Merck (VARIVAX; Merck & Co., Inc., West Point, PA) in
approximately 2000 children were compared during a 9- to 10-year
follow-up period. METHODS: Children 12 months to 12 years of age with a
negative history of varicella were randomized in late 1991 to early 1993
to receive either one or two injections of varicella vaccine given 3
months apart. Subjects were actively followed for varicella, any
varicella-like illness or zoster and any exposures to varicella or
zoster on a yearly basis for 10 years after vaccination. Persistence of
varicella antibody was measured yearly for 9 years. RESULTS: Most cases
of varicella reported in recipients of one or two injections of vaccine
were mild. The risk of developing varicella >42 days postvaccination
during the 10-year observation period was 3.3-fold lower (P < 0.001) in
children who received two injections than in those who received one
injection (2.2% vs. 7.3%, respectively). The estimated vaccine efficacy
for the 10-year observation period was 94.4% for one injection and 98.3%
for two injections (P < 0.001). Measurable serum antibody persisted for
9 years in all subjects. CONCLUSIONS: Administration of either one or
two injections of varicella vaccine to healthy children results in long
term protection against most varicella disease. The two dose regimen was
significantly more effective than a single injection.

Publication Types:

* Clinical Trial
* Randomized Controlled Trial


PMID: 14872179 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Am J Dis Child. 1984 May;138(5):434-8. Related Articles, Links

Varicella vaccine trials in healthy children. A summary of
comparative and follow-up studies.

Arbeter AM, Starr SE, Preblud SR, Ihara T, Paciorek PM, Miller DS,
Zelson CM, Proctor EA, Plotkin SA.

Beginning in 1979, OKA and KMcC strains of varicella zoster virus
(VZV) vaccine were administered to 369 healthy seronegative children in
a sequence of ten comparative clinical trials. Postimmunization clinical
reactivity was minimal with the OKA vaccines but was unacceptably high
(32%) with the KMcC passage-40 vaccine. Ninety-three percent to 100%
immunogenicity was noted by fluorescent antibody assay and in vitro
lymphocyte proliferation to VZV antigens. Follow-up studies demonstrated
persistence of antibody and in vitro lymphocyte proliferation responses
and protection or modification of infection nine to 48 months after
immunization. Only five episodes of mild varicella occurred in children
in whom seroconversion had occurred. These episodes were noted after at
least 281 known varicella exposures. Vaccine virus reactivation as
zoster had not occurred in any child.

Publication Types:

* Clinical Trial


PMID: 6324570 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



N Engl J Med. 1984 May 31;310(22):1409-15. Related Articles, Links

Live attenuated varicella virus vaccine. Efficacy trial in healthy
children.

Weibel RE, Neff BJ, Kuter BJ, Guess HA, Rothenberger CA, Fitzgerald
AJ, Connor KA, McLean AA, Hilleman MR, Buynak EB, et al.

We conducted a double-blind, placebo-controlled efficacy trial of
the live attenuated Oka/Merck varicella vaccine among 956 children
between the ages of 1 and 14 years, with a negative clinical history of
varicella. Of the 914 children who were serologically confirmed to be
susceptible to varicella, 468 received vaccine and 446 received placebo.
The vaccine produced few clinical reactions and was well tolerated.
There was no clinical evidence of viral spread from vaccinated children
to sibling controls. Approximately eight weeks after vaccination, 94 per
cent of the initially seronegative children who received vaccine had
detectable antibody to varicella. During the nine-month surveillance
period, 39 clinically diagnosed cases of varicella, 38 of which were
confirmed by laboratory tests, occurred among study participants. All 39
cases occurred in placebo recipients; no child who received vaccine
contracted varicella. The vaccine was 100 per cent efficacious in
preventing varicella in this population of healthy children (P less than
10(-9).

Publication Types:

* Clinical Trial
* Controlled Clinical Trial


PMID: 6325909 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Biken J. 1984 Sep;27(2-3):39-42. Related Articles, Links

Clinical trial of the Oka strain of live attenuated varicella
vaccine on healthy children.

Ozaki T, Matsui T, Ichikawa T, Asano Y, Yamanishi K, Takahashi M.

Clinical and serological follow-up studies were made on 257 healthy
children who had received live varicella vaccine (strain Oka) in Showa
Hospital. Good antibody responses were shown with a seroconversion rate
of 98.4% (253/257) by the immune adherence hemagglutination test. Mild
adverse reactions were observed in 11 of the vaccinated children. During
observation periods of 6 months to 4 years, 6 of the 253 children who
were successfully vaccinated contracted mild varicella, while all 4
vaccinees who showed no primary immune response contracted mild to
moderate clinical varicella. It is concluded that this vaccine is highly
immunogenic and causes few clinical reactions in normal children.

Publication Types:

* Clinical Trial


PMID: 6100056 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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PeterB
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Vaccine autism evidence overwhelming Reply with quote

Mark Probert wrote:
Quote:
PeterB wrote:
Mark Probert wrote:
PeterB wrote:
Jeff wrote:
John, you can repeat over and over again. But it is still false.
No, there are credible scientists saying your sponsors are full of it.
No one has sponsors, idiot.

Is that why you've denied it at a couple of hundred times?

I have denied it because it is bullshit.

Making you a "Denial Specialist." How telling.

Quote:
And, what credible scientists would those be?

http://www.ucsusa.org

I did two searches:

autism
Displaying results 1 - 1 of 1 item found.

1. EnergyNet Enrollment Form

thimerosal
No items found matching your query.

The UCS's main focus is on macro environmental contaminants, and that
is where mercury is primarily affecting global populations. Vaccines,
however, are not exempt from this discussion.

http://www.laleva.org/eng/2004/08/thimerosal_and_vaccinations_scientists_applaud_move_away_from_use_of_mercury.html

Quote:
Now, you were saying that you knew of credible scientists....

Dr. Julio Licinio, UCLA, editor of the journal Molecular Psychiatry:
"...genetic background impacts on the outcome of thimerosal exposure is
a major breakthrough...with enormous implications for public health."
He also said that rsearch shows a link between vaccines and autism "for
some groups and not others." That is, we have learned that autoimmune
sensitivity is a function of individual genetics, thus any study not
designed to look for such complex vectors would naturally miss the
association of disease to the susceptible demographic. Doing a study
doesn't mean you are asking the right questions, Markey. In the case
of your sponsors, the ability to avoid the right questions is itself a
kind of science. But you know this, don't you?

Quote:
Why don't you read the reports from the CDC, IOM and AAP, and show us where
they are mistaken?
Unfortunately, conflicts of interest in governance at CDC, where
executive "leadership" is largely comprised of pharmaceutical
interests, means we can't just give them a pass. Read the article at
http://chetday.com/autismthimerosal.htm.
What about the conflicts of interest demonstrated by Haley and Geier?

As always, medical interventions require adequate evidence to support
their public use. This has *never* happened with vaccine, and I
predict it never will. The vaccine makers know that RCTs for vaccine
would end their marketability, hence those studies have never been
done. David Wright dredged up one RCT for chicken pox, done many years
ago, using just 63 subjects (a study too small to prove anything about
vaccine safety.) Historically, more death has been associated with
vaccine than with all other medical interventions combined. It's true
that vaccines are less dangerous today than they were 75 years ago, but
that doesn't make them safe.

PeterB
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:40 pm    Post subject: Testimony of Richard Deth, PhD; Bouve College of Health and Sciences; Dept. of Pharmaceutical Services; Northeastern University Reply with quote

http://www.whale.to/a/gov.html

Testimony of Richard Deth, PhD; Bouve College of Health and Sciences; Dept.
of Pharmaceutical Services; Northeastern University
Autism is a neurological disorder caused by dysfunctional metabolic control
over methylation reactions, and thimerosal appears to be a precipitating
causative factor in many cases. The methionione cycle and the
trans-sulfuration pathway leading to cysteine and glutathione synthesis are
abnormal in autism. Genetic polymorphisms, present in only a small
subpopulation, represent risk factors for autism. As illustrated in Fig. 11,
some of these genetic factors impair detoxification and clearance of heavy
metals, including thimerosal, and also impair the capacity for methylation.
Delayed clearance of thimerosal further impairs methylation, including both
DNA methylation and dopamine-stimulated phospholipid methylation, adversely
affecting growth factor-directed development and the capacity for attention,
respectively. Autism can be treated, and some of the most effective
treatments, such as methylcobalamin, act by improving methylation. This
encouraging therapeutic development reinforces the conclusion that
thimerosal does indeed cause autism, and it does this by interfering with
methylcobalamin synthesis. This molecular understanding should lead to new
and improved treatments for autism and should provide a scientifically sound
basis for the removal of thimerosal from all vaccines.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:45 pm    Post subject: Opening Statement of Chairman Dan Burton Reply with quote

Opening Statement of Chairman Dan Burton

http://www.whale.to/a/gov.html

During these investigations, numerous scientists from around the globe have
testified before the Committee, and have presented credible peer-reviewed
research studies that indicated a direct link between the exposure of
Mercury, a widely known neurotoxin, and the increasing incidences of autism.
....Recently, credible researchers from many of our Nation's most
highly regarded research universities have published studies noting the
possible associations between Mercury and health defects.
Dr. Richard Deth, Professor at the College of Pharmaceutical Studies at
Northeastern University, was the lead researcher in a collaboration between
Johns Hopkins University, Tufts University, the University of Nebraska, and
Northeastern University on a groundbreaking study into the possible
correlation between increases in environmental toxins such as thimerosal and
incidences of autism. Dr. Deth will testify on the findings and future
implications of his research.
....Another innovative study was conducted at Columbia University
recently. Released in June of this year, the researchers exposed mice to
Thimerosal in doses and timing, which corresponds to the current pediatric
immunization schedule.
....The independent Columbia University study indicates that subjects
with a specific genetic susceptibility toward autism are placed at a greater
risk for neurodevelopmental diseases when administered Thimerosal-containing
vaccines. Unfortunately, Dr. Mady Hornig, the lead researcher on this
project, is unable to be with us this morning due to a personal emergency.
In her place, Dr. Deth will present her oral testimony.
....As many of us already know, the incidences of autism have become
increasingly prevalent in modern-day society. Once considered a rare
disease, effecting roughly 1 in 10,000 children, autism now affects 1.5
Million of our Nation's children, and this problem continues to escalate
rapidly.
....According to a recent "Autism Alarm" released by the U.S.
Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), the Centers for Disease
Control (CDC), and the American Academy of Pediatrics, currently 1 out of
every 6 children are diagnosed with a developmental disorder and / or
behavioral problem.
....Even more alarming, today 1 out of every 166 children in the United
States is being diagnosed with an Autism Spectrum Disorder. This major
healthcare crisis is clearly reaching epidemic proportions, and will not
just simply "go away."
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Vaccine autism evidence overwhelming Reply with quote

PeterB wrote:
Quote:
Mark Probert wrote:
PeterB wrote:
Mark Probert wrote:
PeterB wrote:
Jeff wrote:
John, you can repeat over and over again. But it is still false.
No, there are credible scientists saying your sponsors are full of it.
No one has sponsors, idiot.
Is that why you've denied it at a couple of hundred times?
I have denied it because it is bullshit.

Making you a "Denial Specialist." How telling.

Do you get migraines from being this stupid?

Quote:
And, what credible scientists would those be?
http://www.ucsusa.org
I did two searches:

autism
Displaying results 1 - 1 of 1 item found.

1. EnergyNet Enrollment Form

thimerosal
No items found matching your query.

The UCS's main focus is on macro environmental contaminants, and that
is where mercury is primarily affecting global populations. Vaccines,
however, are not exempt from this discussion.

http://www.laleva.org/eng/2004/08/thimerosal_and_vaccinations_scientists_applaud_move_away_from_use_of_mercury.html

The problem with this article is that it does not provide you with the
support you think it does. And, of course, it is BULLSHIT.

You see, there does not have to be any "advances" in "x-ray technology"
since molecular Thimerosal would be invisible to x-rays, unless it is
properly tagged. By tagging, I mean that there would be some form of
marker that would allow it to show up on some type of scanning device.

That scanning device happens to exist. All one has to do it prepare a
thimerosal containing a radioisotope of Mercury and administer it. If it
does collect somewhere, then scanning technology that has been around
for a few decades should pick it up. Try learning about PET scanning and
bone scans for starters.

Quote:
Now, you were saying that you knew of credible scientists....

Dr. Julio Licinio, UCLA, editor of the journal Molecular Psychiatry:

The ultimate antithesis of the anti-bio-psychiatry crowd.

Quote:
"...genetic background impacts on the outcome of thimerosal exposure is
a major breakthrough...with enormous implications for public health."

Hmm a quote without attribution...no context, and lots of editing...

Quote:
He also said that rsearch shows a link between vaccines and autism "for
some groups and not others."

However, Dr. Licinio is not the author of the report.

And then....

"An Institute of Medicine report released last month concluded that
there was no evidence to support a link and suggested that researchers
study other possible causes.

Dr. Steven Goodman of the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, a member of
the commission that prepared the report, said those on the commission
were aware of the research.

"It's a tantalizing little piece of evidence that requires a lot more
work" to overturn the "tremendous amount of human work that doesn't find
a clue of a connection," he said."

http://www.laleva.org/eng/2004/06/vaccinations_and_thimerosal_study_finds_genetic_link_between_autism_vaccines.html

That article goes on to say:

"The researchers have not yet identified the human analog of the mouse
gene or genes that confer susceptibility to the effects of thimerosal,
so it is not clear what proportion of children could be at risk from
vaccinations containing the preservative."

Like I have said, kids are not mice. The phenomena may be peculiar to
only mice. Your leaping on the report without further critical thinking
is typical of your antics.

That is, we have learned that autoimmune
Quote:
sensitivity is a function of individual genetics, thus any study not
designed to look for such complex vectors would naturally miss the
association of disease to the susceptible demographic. Doing a study
doesn't mean you are asking the right questions, Markey.

See above. You shut your brain off a bit too soon.

In the case
Quote:
of your sponsors, the ability to avoid the right questions is itself a
kind of science. But you know this, don't you?

Again, mentioning sponsors merely proves that when you run out of facts,
assuming that you had some to start with, you have to resort to
marginalization.

Now, go to your room and continue your studies. See if the mouse gene is
found in humans...

Quote:
Why don't you read the reports from the CDC, IOM and AAP, and show us where
they are mistaken?
Unfortunately, conflicts of interest in governance at CDC, where
executive "leadership" is largely comprised of pharmaceutical
interests, means we can't just give them a pass. Read the article at
http://chetday.com/autismthimerosal.htm.
What about the conflicts of interest demonstrated by Haley and Geier?
As always, medical interventions require adequate evidence to support
their public use. This has *never* happened with vaccine, and I
predict it never will. The vaccine makers know that RCTs for vaccine
would end their marketability, hence those studies have never been
done. David Wright dredged up one RCT for chicken pox, done many years
ago, using just 63 subjects (a study too small to prove anything about
vaccine safety.) Historically, more death has been associated with
vaccine than with all other medical interventions combined. It's true
that vaccines are less dangerous today than they were 75 years ago, but
that doesn't make them safe.

PeterB

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:34 pm    Post subject: Vaccine autism science quotes Reply with quote

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/vax_autism_q.html
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Opening Statement of Chairman Dan Burton Reply with quote

john wrote:
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Opening Statement of Chairman Dan Burton

Yes, John, politicians are an excellent source of medical knowledge.

Now, ask your homeopath who to vote for.
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