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Mark Probert
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD Reply with quote

Jason Johnson wrote:
Quote:
In article <4_Tug.29$MU1.25@fe11.lga>, Mark Probert
markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article <1uMug.6$VD1.2@fe09.lga>, Mark Probert
markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article <fptug.16584$MF6.143@tornado.socal.rr.com>, "Rich"
joshew@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:C1sug.2370$nj6.831@fe08.lga...
Jason Johnson wrote:
In article <N_Vtg.3725$F_6.458@fe12.lga>, Mark Probert
markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article <syVtg.3717$F_6.3079@fe12.lga>, Mark Probert
markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
Jason Johnson wrote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark,
I have read studies on both sides of this issue. It
appears to
me
(and I
hope I wrong) that you instantly discount any studies or
reports
which
indicate that mercury MAY be the cause of autism. Am I
wrong? I
hope so. > > > > Read my fingers....there are NO epidemiological
studies showing a > > link...eight studies on diverse
populations all
show that there is no > > link....keep reading...
Replication of findings is one of the "checks and
balances"
in the world > > of scientific research. You may recall the cold
fusion
debacle several > > years ago...or the Korean scientist on cloning
whose findings could not > > be reproduced....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark,
For the sake of this discussion, let's assume that you had 10
blood
tests
of 10 children that had autism in front of you and they all
indicated that
the children had dangerous levels of mercury. Would you
discount
those
blood tests or assume that autism MAY be caused by mercury?
Like I said, the epidemiological studies refute any possible
connection > between mercury and autism. Eight studies, LARGE
diverse
populations, > all showing the same thing.
Furthermore, how do we know that 10 non-autistic kids
don't have
equally > high levels of mercury? If you want to use that
model, all I
need to do > is to bring one kid with the same levels who does
not have
autism.
I would assume that the autism MAY have been caused by
mercury.
Jason
You would assume wrong.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark,
Good point. It appears to me that you have made up your mind that
mercury
plays no role in regard to the cause of autism. Even if you
saw data
indicating that every child that had autism also had high levels of
mercury--you still would not be convinced. Try reading
comprehension.
What I said is that there is no evidence of causation. None. It is
nothing more than a theory, and that is why Boyd Haley, et al, were
excluded from testifying. All the evidence says otherwise.
I hope that I am wrong. I hope
that mercury is not the cause of autism. Since there is no
evidence
that it is, your hopes have been answered.
I have had lots of vaccines That is unusual for someone your age,
unless you traveled to some really remote areas of the third world.
and
lots of dental fillings containing mercury. I hope that when the
babies of
the world are my age (55 years old) that the levels of mercury and
other
heavy metals are much lower than the levels in the bodies of
people
that
are now 55 years old.
There has been a decades long effort to reduce environmental mercury.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It might be unsual but it does happen. I was attending grade
school in
one
county and received all of the required vaccinations. Several years
later,
I transferred to a school in a different county.

You were in grade school in the late 50's early 60's and the number of
vaccines where what? Look it up.

The vaccine records could
not be found so they required me to get a new series of vaccinations
before I could attend that school. I understand that members of the
military also have to take vaccines. That's one of the reasons that
mercury should not be used in vaccines. One or two vaccines containing
thimerosal don't cause much harm but some people (like me and
members of
the military) end up getting lots of vaccines containing
thimerosal. Now
you know another reason why I want thimerosal to be banned.

When I was in the military, and being prepared to go to Southeast
Asia, we
received several shots, and, no one had an adverse reaction. That
is not
one out of 250 in my basic training unit.

In my unit, one big guy passed out (BEFORE he got the first
injection). Two
guys got lacerations when they flinched under the needleless
injectors. That
was out of 60 men. No actual adverse reactions that I was ever
aware of. If
there were any long-term consequences, they were probably blamed on
agent
orange. By the way, we were also run single-file naked through a
long shed
where guys with gas masks beat us with pillows full of powdered
DDT. No ill
effects from that either. No ukus survived, though.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rich,
It would be better to test them for medical problems 10 years after they
were exposed to all of those things. I recall watching a television show
about 15 years ago. They took a camera crew to Viet Nam. They showed
hundreds of little children that had missing arms and legs. A doctor on
the camera crew tested the blood of those children. The doctor concluded
that the handicaps were caused by exposure to agent orange.

I do not think that anyone in this group doubts the long term damage
done by the Dioxin contaminant in AO.

Those children
were not born until after the war but the food they ate was grown on soil
that was contaminated with agent orange and the water supply (from the
river) had high levels of agent orange. They showed children playing and
swimming in that river. They ate fish from that same river.

The damage is caused by Dioxin. The fact that we have yet to address
this adequately with the Vietnamese is our lasting shame.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mark,
We are in agreement related to this issue. Another shame is the way the
V.A. treated the veterans of Viet Nam and other wars.

It is not the "VA" but Congress that determines the overall level of
treatment.

WWII and Korean War vets attended college for free and had a living
stipend.

Vietnam Vets did not have that type of coverage. We were given X number
of months of education benefit and if you school charged more, you had
to work. I worked 35 hours a week while an undergrad.

In the mid 1980's when Ronnie Raygun decided to cut back the spending,
especially in Veteran healthcare, which affected all vets.

Our current administration now looks at veterans as fodder for a reverse
draft.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mark,
I agree with you. Even Clinton seemed to hate the members of the military.
He closed dozens of military bases and stop funding lots of weapon
systems.

Incorrect. Closing of bases is not determined by the President, or, for
that matter, Congress. It is an independent commission.

As for cutting back or eliminating weapon systems, what Clinton did end
were cold war systems which we do not need in the modern world. For
example, he supported the development and upgrading of the M1A1 Abrams
main battle tank (neighbors kid drives one in Iraq and swears by it).

He did stop an upgrade to field artillery that many of the Army generals
thought was a waste.

Believe it or not, the next war has already started. If you don't
Quote:
believe me, watch the news for the next two weeks.

I am well aware of it. I have friends in Israel, some in Haifa, and
others in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. One of their son's has been on the
Lebanese border for two years.

The missles are now
Quote:
landing in Israel but it's won't be long before nuclear bombs and chemical
bombs will be going off in America.

I doubt it.

North Korea is already trying to build
Quote:
a missle that will make it to America and they already have nuclear bombs.

Having a bomb that is deliverable is not the same thing as having a
missile that can reach and a bomb that can explode. It is not a 1+1=2
situation.

Quote:
It reminds me of how WW I and WW II started. Most of the people in America
did not even know that a war was going on until we finally became involved
in those wars. Most people don't know much about history. Iran is trying
to build a nuclear bomb and they already have missles that can carry it to
Israel.

See above.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD Reply with quote

Mark Probert wrote:
Quote:

I am well aware of it. I have friends in Israel, some in Haifa, and
others in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. One of their son's has been on the
Lebanese border for two years.

You must be worried sick. Is he in the military? If not, can you get
him to come home? Like NOW?!

Quote:
The missles are now
landing in Israel but it's won't be long before nuclear bombs and chemical
bombs will be going off in America.

I doubt it.

I agree; I think this will be contained in the Middle East, but it
promises to be nasty, bloody, and protracted. :(

Quote:

North Korea is already trying to build
a missle that will make it to America and they already have nuclear bombs.

Having a bomb that is deliverable is not the same thing as having a
missile that can reach and a bomb that can explode. It is not a 1+1=2
situation.

Not to mention the fact that North Korea really has *no* friends, and
China, which is closer and well-equipped with nuclear weapons,
distrusts them even more than we do.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD Reply with quote

"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:dP5vg.339$MU1.21@fe11.lga...

Quote:

As for cutting back or eliminating weapon systems, what Clinton did end
were cold war systems which we do not need in the modern world. For
example, he supported the development and upgrading of the M1A1 Abrams
main battle tank (neighbors kid drives one in Iraq and swears by it).

He did stop an upgrade to field artillery that many of the Army generals
thought was a waste.


Agreed. As much as the Republicans like to claim that the Clinton government
damaged the military, it was the Clinton military that dominated in
Afghanistan, and marched right into Bagdad. One of the best military things
to come out of the Clinton era was the JDAM, a relatively cheap "tail kit"
that turns dumb bombs into smart bombs.

Yes Clinton's military is great at doing military. Unfortunately, that does
not extend to being a great police force, as evidenced in Iraq today. Abu
Ghraib is a symptom of what happens when you try to turn soldiers into cops
and jailors.
--


--Rich

Recommended websites:

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD Reply with quote

In article <1153233607.998915.130170@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote:

Mark Probert wrote:
Quote:

I am well aware of it. I have friends in Israel, some in Haifa, and
others in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. One of their son's has been on the
Lebanese border for two years.

You must be worried sick. Is he in the military? If not, can you get
him to come home? Like NOW?!

Quote:
The missles are now
landing in Israel but it's won't be long before nuclear bombs and chemical
bombs will be going off in America.

I doubt it.

I agree; I think this will be contained in the Middle East, but it
promises to be nasty, bloody, and protracted. Sad

Quote:

North Korea is already trying to build
a missle that will make it to America and they already have nuclear bombs.

Having a bomb that is deliverable is not the same thing as having a
missile that can reach and a bomb that can explode. It is not a 1+1=2
situation.

Not to mention the fact that North Korea really has *no* friends, and
China, which is closer and well-equipped with nuclear weapons,
distrusts them even more than we do.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Marcia,
I hope that Mark and yourself are correct. I hope that nuclear bombs and
chemical bombs never explode in America.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD Reply with quote

Jason Johnson wrote:
Quote:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Marcia,
I hope that Mark and yourself are correct. I hope that nuclear bombs and
chemical bombs never explode in America.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Me, too, Jason. Right now I can only stomach about 10 minutes of CNN
before getting an anxiety attack. We've got to vote this aggressive and
irresponsible regime out of office. :(

marcia, donning flame-proof suit. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD Reply with quote

In article <1153253229.749097.244420@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
"Marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
Quote:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Marcia,
I hope that Mark and yourself are correct. I hope that nuclear bombs and
chemical bombs never explode in America.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Me, too, Jason. Right now I can only stomach about 10 minutes of CNN
before getting an anxiety attack. We've got to vote this aggressive and
irresponsible regime out of office. Sad

marcia, donning flame-proof suit. ;)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Marcia,
Let's change the subject to medical subjects or vaccines before the net cops
arrest us. We don't want to yank any chains by discussing political issues
in a medical newsgroup. Do you have any health problems. I am not a doctor
but according to the netcops, I play one in newsgroups even when I say "I
am not a doctor" whenever I provide advice. Did I yank any chains? Only
time will tell.
Jason

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD Reply with quote

Jason Johnson wrote:
Quote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Marcia,
Let's change the subject to medical subjects or vaccines before the net cops
arrest us. We don't want to yank any chains by discussing political issues
in a medical newsgroup. Do you have any health problems. I am not a doctor
but according to the netcops, I play one in newsgroups even when I say "I
am not a doctor" whenever I provide advice. Did I yank any chains? Only
time will tell.
Jason

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

LOL. Okay. I have a blister on my right foot from new flip-flops. What
medical tests should I have? ;)

marcia
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD Reply with quote

Marcia wrote:
Quote:
Mark Probert wrote:
I am well aware of it. I have friends in Israel, some in Haifa, and
others in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. One of their son's has been on the
Lebanese border for two years.

You must be worried sick. Is he in the military? If not, can you get
him to come home? Like NOW?!

He is in the Israeli military and is a career officer. I met him a few
times when he has come to NY, and having attended his bris before his
family moved to Israel, I worry more about Hizbollah.

Quote:
The missles are now
landing in Israel but it's won't be long before nuclear bombs and chemical
bombs will be going off in America.
I doubt it.

I agree; I think this will be contained in the Middle East, but it
promises to be nasty, bloody, and protracted. Sad

And, unfortunately, will not resolve the long term problem, unless
Hizbollah is eliminated and the Lebanese are allowed to run their own
country. Iran, and their client-state, Syria, will not be happy with
that, and I expect that there may wind up being a "revolution" in
Lebanon with the ultimate installation of a very virulent fundamentalist
government. Christians and Jews beware.

Quote:
North Korea is already trying to build
a missle that will make it to America and they already have nuclear bombs.
Having a bomb that is deliverable is not the same thing as having a
missile that can reach and a bomb that can explode. It is not a 1+1=2
situation.

Not to mention the fact that North Korea really has *no* friends, and
China, which is closer and well-equipped with nuclear weapons,
distrusts them even more than we do.

China is an "equal opportunity distruster". They do no trust anyone,
even themselves.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD Reply with quote

"Marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1153261146.975966.17120@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Quote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Marcia,
Let's change the subject to medical subjects or vaccines before the net
cops
arrest us. We don't want to yank any chains by discussing political
issues
in a medical newsgroup. Do you have any health problems. I am not a
doctor
but according to the netcops, I play one in newsgroups even when I say "I
am not a doctor" whenever I provide advice. Did I yank any chains? Only
time will tell.
Jason

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

LOL. Okay. I have a blister on my right foot from new flip-flops. What
medical tests should I have? Wink

Is it red? hot? tender? swollen? draining? If so, it may be infected. In
that case you should see a doctor, and, yes, a medical test may be indicated
(a culture of the drainage). Oh, I'm not a doctor, either.
--


--Rich

Recommended websites:

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD Reply with quote

Jason Johnson wrote:
Quote:
In article <1153233607.998915.130170@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote:

Mark Probert wrote:

I am well aware of it. I have friends in Israel, some in Haifa, and
others in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. One of their son's has been on the
Lebanese border for two years.

You must be worried sick. Is he in the military? If not, can you get
him to come home? Like NOW?!

The missles are now
landing in Israel but it's won't be long before nuclear bombs and chemical
bombs will be going off in America.

I doubt it.

I agree; I think this will be contained in the Middle East, but it
promises to be nasty, bloody, and protracted. :(


North Korea is already trying to build
a missle that will make it to America and they already have nuclear bombs.

Having a bomb that is deliverable is not the same thing as having a
missile that can reach and a bomb that can explode. It is not a 1+1=2
situation.

Not to mention the fact that North Korea really has *no* friends, and
China, which is closer and well-equipped with nuclear weapons,
distrusts them even more than we do.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Marcia,
I hope that Mark and yourself are correct. I hope that nuclear bombs and
chemical bombs never explode in America.

From what I recall, nukes can be traced. If one goes off in Iowa, the
radiation signature would be known to the US if it were from our
stockpile, or the stockpiles of Russia, China, England, France, India,
Pakistan, etc. If it is an unknown signature, then Iran would be the
most likely suspect.

I would expect the perpetrator country to look like this:

http://www.nv.doe.gov/library/PhotoLibrary/EM4894_42.jpg
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD Reply with quote

Rich wrote:
Quote:
"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:dP5vg.339$MU1.21@fe11.lga...

As for cutting back or eliminating weapon systems, what Clinton did end
were cold war systems which we do not need in the modern world. For
example, he supported the development and upgrading of the M1A1 Abrams
main battle tank (neighbors kid drives one in Iraq and swears by it).

He did stop an upgrade to field artillery that many of the Army generals
thought was a waste.


Agreed. As much as the Republicans like to claim that the Clinton government
damaged the military, it was the Clinton military that dominated in
Afghanistan, and marched right into Bagdad. One of the best military things
to come out of the Clinton era was the JDAM, a relatively cheap "tail kit"
that turns dumb bombs into smart bombs.

Yes Clinton's military is great at doing military. Unfortunately, that does
not extend to being a great police force, as evidenced in Iraq today. Abu
Ghraib is a symptom of what happens when you try to turn soldiers into cops
and jailors.

We built a military that can roll over anyone. Someone forgot to install
a brake.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD Reply with quote

"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:didvg.3272$mQ.895@fe12.lga...
Quote:
Marcia wrote:
Mark Probert wrote:
I am well aware of it. I have friends in Israel, some in Haifa, and
others in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. One of their son's has been on the
Lebanese border for two years.

You must be worried sick. Is he in the military? If not, can you get
him to come home? Like NOW?!

He is in the Israeli military and is a career officer. I met him a few
times when he has come to NY, and having attended his bris before his
family moved to Israel, I worry more about Hizbollah.

The missles are now
landing in Israel but it's won't be long before nuclear bombs and
chemical
bombs will be going off in America.
I doubt it.

I agree; I think this will be contained in the Middle East, but it
promises to be nasty, bloody, and protracted. :(

And, unfortunately, will not resolve the long term problem, unless
Hizbollah is eliminated and the Lebanese are allowed to run their own
country. Iran, and their client-state, Syria, will not be happy with that,
and I expect that there may wind up being a "revolution" in Lebanon with
the ultimate installation of a very virulent fundamentalist government.
Christians and Jews beware.

The citizens of Lebanon are the real victims in this mess, and yes, there
are many Lebanese Christians and Jews. The Lebanese government does not have
the wherewithall to kick Hisbollah out of their country. Hisbollah is a
large power block that is actually represented in their government. The
Lebanese army is neither as well armed nor as well trained as the Hisbollah
army, and besides, a large portion of the Lebanese army is Shiite and would
be ill disposed to picking a fight with Hisbollah. I doubt that Iran is any
threat to Isreal in this situation, though. They are still trying to develop
a nuclear arsenal, and they know that the Isrealis would, at even a hint of
military threat from Iran, jump at the excuse to destroy the Irani nuclear
reactors as they did in Iraq some years ago. The U.S. adevnture in Iraq has
upset a balance in the Islamic world between the Suni and the Shiite. While
Sadam was in power, the Suni ruled Iraq. Now, Iraq is sure to have a mostly
Shiite government, and that sect will be in power throughout the Middle
East. All in all, it's a mess, and I can't see a good outcome. Israel's
bombing is not going to eliminate Hisbollah. An actual Israeli invasion of
South Lebanon would probably not do so, either, and would involve great loss
of both military and civilian lives. The U.S. is in the best position to
broker a peace agreement, and it's time we started exploring the
possibilities. Do you really think a civil war in Lebanon is inevitable? For
the sake of the innocent citizens of that country, I hope not.

--Rich
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD Reply with quote

Rich wrote:
Quote:
"Marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1153261146.975966.17120@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Jason Johnson wrote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Marcia,
Let's change the subject to medical subjects or vaccines before the net
cops
arrest us. We don't want to yank any chains by discussing political
issues
in a medical newsgroup. Do you have any health problems. I am not a
doctor
but according to the netcops, I play one in newsgroups even when I say "I
am not a doctor" whenever I provide advice. Did I yank any chains? Only
time will tell.
Jason

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

LOL. Okay. I have a blister on my right foot from new flip-flops. What
medical tests should I have? ;)

Is it red? hot? tender? swollen? draining? If so, it may be infected. In
that case you should see a doctor, and, yes, a medical test may be indicated
(a culture of the drainage). Oh, I'm not a doctor, either.
--


--Rich


I keep forgetting... are you friend or foe? :D

marcia
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD Reply with quote

Rich wrote:
Quote:
"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:didvg.3272$mQ.895@fe12.lga...
Marcia wrote:
Mark Probert wrote:
I am well aware of it. I have friends in Israel, some in Haifa, and
others in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. One of their son's has been on the
Lebanese border for two years.
You must be worried sick. Is he in the military? If not, can you get
him to come home? Like NOW?!
He is in the Israeli military and is a career officer. I met him a few
times when he has come to NY, and having attended his bris before his
family moved to Israel, I worry more about Hizbollah.

The missles are now
landing in Israel but it's won't be long before nuclear bombs and
chemical
bombs will be going off in America.
I doubt it.
I agree; I think this will be contained in the Middle East, but it
promises to be nasty, bloody, and protracted. Sad
And, unfortunately, will not resolve the long term problem, unless
Hizbollah is eliminated and the Lebanese are allowed to run their own
country. Iran, and their client-state, Syria, will not be happy with that,
and I expect that there may wind up being a "revolution" in Lebanon with
the ultimate installation of a very virulent fundamentalist government.
Christians and Jews beware.

The citizens of Lebanon are the real victims in this mess, and yes, there
are many Lebanese Christians and Jews. The Lebanese government does not have
the wherewithall to kick Hisbollah out of their country. Hisbollah is a
large power block that is actually represented in their government. The
Lebanese army is neither as well armed nor as well trained as the Hisbollah
army, and besides, a large portion of the Lebanese army is Shiite and would
be ill disposed to picking a fight with Hisbollah. I doubt that Iran is any
threat to Isreal in this situation, though. They are still trying to develop
a nuclear arsenal, and they know that the Isrealis would, at even a hint of
military threat from Iran, jump at the excuse to destroy the Irani nuclear
reactors as they did in Iraq some years ago. The U.S. adevnture in Iraq has
upset a balance in the Islamic world between the Suni and the Shiite. While
Sadam was in power, the Suni ruled Iraq. Now, Iraq is sure to have a mostly
Shiite government, and that sect will be in power throughout the Middle
East. All in all, it's a mess, and I can't see a good outcome. Israel's
bombing is not going to eliminate Hisbollah. An actual Israeli invasion of
South Lebanon would probably not do so, either, and would involve great loss
of both military and civilian lives. The U.S. is in the best position to
broker a peace agreement, and it's time we started exploring the
possibilities. Do you really think a civil war in Lebanon is inevitable? For
the sake of the innocent citizens of that country, I hope not.

Unfortunately, and I hope I am wrong, I expect a civil war, again, in
Lebanon. If Israel really weakens Hizbollah, I also see a return of
Iran's client-state, Syria.
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"Marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote in message
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Rich wrote:
"Marcia" <design1@insight.rr.com> wrote in message
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Jason Johnson wrote:
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Marcia,
Let's change the subject to medical subjects or vaccines before the
net
cops
arrest us. We don't want to yank any chains by discussing political
issues
in a medical newsgroup. Do you have any health problems. I am not a
doctor
but according to the netcops, I play one in newsgroups even when I say
"I
am not a doctor" whenever I provide advice. Did I yank any chains?
Only
time will tell.
Jason

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

LOL. Okay. I have a blister on my right foot from new flip-flops. What
medical tests should I have? ;)

Is it red? hot? tender? swollen? draining? If so, it may be infected. In
that case you should see a doctor, and, yes, a medical test may be
indicated
(a culture of the drainage). Oh, I'm not a doctor, either.
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--Rich


I keep forgetting... are you friend or foe? :D

marcia

Friend, of course, unless you call me a liar or something.

;o) Rich
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