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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Ph Balancing (steph) Reply with quote

J <macyinno@nospam.inv> wrote:

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madiba wrote:

Peter Moran <pmoran@bordernet.com.au> wrote:

"J W" <jonboy42@webtv.net> wrote in message


Bottom line if someone comes here with a thought or idea let the
majority decide if it is something that they are willing to try or not
and keep your thoughts to yourself unless you have physically tried
them. History is riddled with dumb sounding ideas that went on to become
very useful ideas because intelligent people encourage free thinking and
new ideas. Ignorant people oppose anything that isn't tried and true
tested, even if it has been proven to be extremely costly and shown
only limited success. In otherwords if you aint got something good to
say, don't speak because people who are very ill with this disease do
not need negativity.
Its very simple. If you have an idea about an alternative method of
treating cancer put it in an alt.cancer newsgroup.
If and when your idea works verifiably, put it in this NG.

No thanks, he'll get the same answers, from me, Steph and many others.
J
You might, but I doubt whether Steph would have problems with a therapy

thats been shown by reliable sources to work.. :-/

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:04 am    Post subject: Re: Ph Balancing Reply with quote

On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 04:35:00 +0300, Matti Narkia <mna@mbnet.fi> wrote:

Quote:
On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:42:49 GMT, "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com
wrote:

"J W" <jonboy42@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:19261-44AFE691-262@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net...
Actually you are quite wrong. Excessive sugar consumption among other
things can and does throw your gut's PH off which can cause yeast
overgrowth as well as candida yeast overgrowth which causes your immune
system to suffer greatly as 40% of your body's imune system is in your
gut and I think it's common knowledge that a comprimised immune system
cannot effectively destroy mutated body cells which we all get numerous
times during our lives.

The whole yeast thing is crap:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/candida.html

I agree.

Besides, we have these neat things called "kidneys" that maintain the body's
pH in the proper balance.

To a certain extent, yes. But in many cases acid load from diet is
just a little bit too much for kidneys to cope and mild chronic
metabolic acidosis follows. This becomes more common with age when
kidneys' performance starts slowly going down.

Related Medline references:


Kurtz I, Maher T, Hulter HN, Schambelan M, Sebastian A.
Effect of diet on plasma acid-base composition in normal humans.
Kidney Int. 1983 Nov;24(5):670-80.
PMID: 6663989 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=retrieve&db=pubmed&list_uids=6663989&dopt=Abstract>

May RC, Kelly RA, Mitch WE.
Metabolic acidosis stimulates protein degradation in rat muscle by a
glucocorticoid-dependent mechanism.
J Clin Invest. 1986 Feb;77(2):614-21.
PMID: 3511100 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=3511100>

"... We conclude that chronic metabolic acidosis depresses
nitrogen utilization and increases glucocorticoid
production. The combination of increased glucocorticoids and
acidosis stimulates muscle proteolysis but does not affect
protein synthesis. These changes in muscle protein
metabolism may play a role in the defense against acidosis
by providing amino acid nitrogen to support the glutamine
production necessary for renal ammoniagenesis."

Breslau NA, Brinkley L, Hill KD, Pak CY.
Relationship of animal protein-rich diet to kidney stone formation and
calcium metabolism.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1988 Jan;66(1):140-6.
PMID: 2826524 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=2826524>

Lemann J Jr, Gray RW, Pleuss JA.
Potassium bicarbonate, but not sodium bicarbonate, reduces urinary
calcium excretion and improves calcium balance in healthy men.
Kidney Int. 1989 Feb;35(2):688-95.
PMID: 2540373 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=2540373>

Bushinsky DA.
Net calcium efflux from live bone during chronic metabolic, but not
respiratory, acidosis.
Am J Physiol. 1989 May;256(5 Pt 2):F836-42.
PMID: 2719118 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://ajprenal.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/256/5/F836>

Williams B, Layward E, Walls J.
Skeletal muscle degradation and nitrogen wasting in rats with chronic
metabolic acidosis.
Clin Sci (Lond). 1991 May;80(5):457-62.
PMID: 1851685 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=retrieve&db=pubmed&list_uids=1851685&dopt=Abstract>

"1. Chronic metabolic acidosis is associated with impaired
growth and negative nitrogen balance, suggesting that it
promotes endogenous protein catabolism. 2. Skeletal muscle
is the major repository of body protein and is a potential
target for stimuli of protein catabolism. 3. This study in
vivo examines the effects of chronic metabolic acidosis on
the relationship between growth, nitrogen disposal and
skeletal muscle catabolism in the rat. 4. Growth, nitrogen
utilization and acquisition of body mass were significantly
impaired in acidotic animals compared with pair-fed
controls. 5. Total nitrogen excretion was significantly
increased in acidotic rats despite decreased urea
production. The time course of this response to acidosis was
synchronous with that of accelerated protein catabolism in
skeletal muscle. 6. It is proposed that metabolic acidosis
impairs growth by stimulating skeletal muscle protein
catabolism. It is suggested that this forms part of a co-
ordinated multi-organ homoeostatic response to acidosis,
skeletal muscle and down-regulated urea production supplying
the nitrogen required for renal ammoniagenesis."

May RC, Masud T, Logue B, Bailey J, England BK.
Metabolic acidosis accelerates whole body protein degradation and
leucine oxidation by a glucocorticoid-dependent mechanism.
Miner Electrolyte Metab. 1992;18(2-5):245-9.
PMID: 1465068 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=retrieve&db=pubmed&list_uids=1465068&dopt=Abstract>

"... We conclude that chronic metabolic acidosis accelerates
whole body protein turnover and reduces the efficiency of
protein utilization by accelerating amino acid oxidation.
These changes may require an intact glucocorticoid axis."

Mitch WE, Medina R, Grieber S, May RC, England BK, Price SR, Bailey
JL, Goldberg AL.
Metabolic acidosis stimulates muscle protein degradation by activating
the adenosine triphosphate-dependent pathway involving ubiquitin and
proteasomes.
J Clin Invest. 1994 May;93(5):2127-33.
PMID: 8182144 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=8182144>

"Metabolic acidosis often leads to loss of body protein due mainly
to accelerated protein breakdown in muscle.

[...]

These results are consistent with, but do not prove that
acidosis stimulates muscle proteolysis by activating the
ATP-ubiquitin-proteasome-dependent, proteolytic pathway."

Sebastian A, Harris ST, Ottaway JH, Todd KM, Morris RC Jr. Improved
mineral balance and skeletal metabolism in postmenopausal women
treated with potassium bicarbonate.
N Engl J Med. 1994 Jun 23;330(25):1776-81.
PMID: 8190153 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/330/25/1776>

"Background In normal subjects, a low level of metabolic
acidosis and positive acid balance (the production of more acid
than is excreted) are typically present and correlate in degree
with the amount of endogenous acid produced by the metabolism
of foods in ordinary diets abundant in protein. Over a
lifetime, the counteraction of retained endogenous acid by base
mobilized from the skeleton may contribute to the decrease in
bone mass that occurs normally with aging."

[...]

Conclusions In postmenopausal women, the oral administration of
potassium bicarbonate at a dose sufficient to neutralize
endogenous acid improves calcium and phosphorus balance,
reduces bone resorption, and increases the rate of bone
formation."

Frassetto L, Sebastian A.
Age and systemic acid-base equilibrium: analysis of published data.
J Gerontol A Biol Sci Med Sci. 1996 Jan;51(1):B91-9.
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8548506&dopt=Abstract>

"To investigate whether systemic acid-base equilibrium
changes with aging in normal adult humans, we reviewed
published articles reporting the acid-base composition of
arterial, arterialized venous, or capillary blood in age-
identified healthy subjects. We extracted or calculated
blood hydrogen ion concentration ([H+]), plasma bicarbonate
concentration ([HCO3(-)]), blood PCO2, and age, and computed
a total of 61 age-group means, distributed among eight 10-
year intervals from age 20 to 100 years. Using linear
regression analysis, we found that with increasing age,
there is a significant increase in the steady-state blood
[H+] (p < .001), and reduction in steady-state plasma
[HCO3(-)] (p < .001), indicative of a progressively
worsening low-level metabolic acidosis. Blood PCO2 decreased
with age (p < .05), in keeping with the expected respiratory
adaptation to metabolic acidosis. Such age-related
increasing metabolic acidosis may reflect in part the normal
decline of renal function with increasing age. The role of
age-related metabolic acidosis in the pathogenesis of the
degenerative diseases of aging warrants consideration."

Frassetto LA, Morris RC, Sebastian A.
Effect of age on blood acid-base composition in adult humans: role of
age-related renal functional decline.
Am J Physiol. 1996 Dec;271(6 Pt 2):F1114-22.
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8997384&dopt=Abstract>

"... Otherwise healthy adults manifest a low-grade diet-
dependent metabolic acidosis, the severity of which
increases with age at constant EAP, apparently due in part
to the normal age-related decline of renal function."

Frassetto L, Morris RC Jr, Sebastian A.
Potassium bicarbonate reduces urinary nitrogen excretion in
postmenopausal women.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1997 Jan;82(1):254-9.
PMID: 8989270 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/82/1/254>

"Previously we demonstrated that low grade chronic metabolic
acidosis exists normally in humans eating ordinary diets
that yield normal net rates of endogenous acid production
(EAP), and that the degree of acidosis increases with age.
We hypothesize that such diet-dependent and age-amplifying
low grade metabolic acidosis contributes to the decline in
skeletal muscle mass that occurs normally with aging. This
hypothesis is based on the reported finding that chronic
metabolic acidosis induces muscle protein breakdown, and
that correction of acidosis reverses the effect.
Accordingly, in 14 healthy postmenopausal women residing in
a General Clinical Research Center and eating a constant
diet yielding a normal EAP rate, we tested whether
correcting their "physiological" acidosis with orally
administered potassium bicarbonate (KHCO3; 60–120 mmol/day
for 18 days) reduces their urinary nitrogen loss. KHCO3
reduced EAP to nearly zero, significantly reduced the blood
hydrogen ion concentration (P < 0.001), and increased the
plasma bicarbonate concentration (P < 0.001), indicating
that pre-KHCO3, diet-dependent EAP was significantly
perturbing systemic acid-base equilibrium, causing a low
grade metabolic acidosis. Urinary ammonia nitrogen, urea
nitrogen, and total nitrogen levels significantly decreased.
The cumulative reduction in nitrogen excretion was 14.1 ±
12.3 g (P < 0.001). Renal creatinine clearance and urine
volume remained unchanged. We conclude that in
postmenopausal women, neutralization of diet-induced EAP
with KHCO3 corrects their preexisting diet-dependent low
grade metabolic acidosis and significantly reduces their
urinary nitrogen wasting. The magnitude of the KHCO3-induced
nitrogen-sparing effect is potentially sufficient to both
prevent continuing age-related loss of muscle mass and
restore previously accrued deficits."

Frassetto LA, Todd KM, Morris RC Jr, Sebastian A.
Estimation of net endogenous noncarbonic acid production in humans
from diet potassium and protein contents.
Am J Clin Nutr. 1998 Sep;68(3):576-83.
PMID: 9734733 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/76/6/1308>

"Objective: The objective was to estimate the net systemic load
of acid (net endogenous acid production; NEAP) from retrojected
ancestral preagricultural diets and to compare it with that of
contemporary diets, which are characterized by an imbalance of
nutrient precursors of hydrogen and bicarbonate ions that
induces a lifelong, low-grade, pathogenically significant
systemic metabolic acidosis.

[...]

Results: The mean (± SD) NEAP for 159 retrojected
preagricultural diets was -88 ± 82 mEq/d; 87% were net base-
producing. The computational model predicted NEAP for the
average American diet (as recorded in the third National Health
and Nutrition Examination Survey) as 48 mEq/d, within a few
percentage points of published measured values for free-living
Americans; the model, therefore, was not biased toward
generating negative NEAP values. The historical shift from
negative to positive NEAP was accounted for by the displacement
of high-bicarbonate-yielding plant foods in the ancestral diet
by cereal grains and energy-dense, nutrient-poor foods in the
contemporary diet—neither of which are net base-producing.

Conclusions: The findings suggest that diet-induced metabolic
acidosis and its sequelae in humans eating contemporary diets
reflect a mismatch between the nutrient composition of the diet
and genetically determined nutritional requirements for optimal
systemic acid-base status. Am J Clin Nutr 2002;76:–16."

Morris RC, Schmidlin O, Tanaka M, Forman A, Frassetto L, Sebastian A.
Differing effects of supplemental KCl and KHCO3: pathophysiological
and clinical implications.
Semin Nephrol. 1999 Sep;19(5):487-93. Review.
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10511388&dopt=Abstract>

Sellmeyer DE, Stone KL, Sebastian A, Cummings SR.
A high ratio of dietary animal to vegetable protein increases the rate
of bone loss and the risk of fracture in postmenopausal women. Study
of Osteoporotic Fractures Research Group.
Am J Clin Nutr. 2001 Jan;73(1):118-22.
PMID: 11124760 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/73/1/118>

Buclin T, Cosma M, Appenzeller M, Jacquet AF, Decosterd LA, Biollaz J,
Burckhardt P.
Diet acids and alkalis influence calcium retention in bone.
Osteoporos Int. 2001;12(6):493-9.
PMID: 11446566 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11446566>

Tucker KL, Hannan MT, Kiel DP.
The acid-base hypothesis: diet and bone in the Framingham Osteoporosis
Study.
Eur J Nutr. 2001 Oct;40(5):231-7.
PMID: 11842948 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11842948>

"... RESULTS: As hypothesized, magnesium, potassium, fruit and
vegetable intakes were significantly associated with bone
mineral density at baseline and among men, with lower bone loss
over four years. In contrast to the hypothesis, higher rather
than lower protein intakes were associated with lower bone
loss. CONCLUSION: Together these results support the role of
base forming foods and nutrients in bone maintenance. The role
of protein appears to be complex and is probably dependent on
the presence of other nutrients available in a mixed diet. A
balanced diet with ample fruit and vegetables and adequate
protein appears to be important to bone mineral density."

Sebastian A, Frassetto LA, Sellmeyer DE, Merriam RL, Morris RC Jr.
Estimation of the net acid load of the diet of ancestral
preagricultural Homo sapiens and their hominid ancestors.
Am J Clin Nutr. 2002 Dec;76(6):1308-16.
PMID: 12450898 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/76/6/1308>

"Objective: The objective was to estimate the net systemic load
of acid (net endogenous acid production; NEAP) from retrojected
ancestral preagricultural diets and to compare it with that of
contemporary diets, which are characterized by an imbalance of
nutrient precursors of hydrogen and bicarbonate ions that
induces a lifelong, low-grade, pathogenically significant
systemic metabolic acidosis.

[...]

Results: The mean (± SD) NEAP for 159 retrojected
preagricultural diets was -88 ± 82 mEq/d; 87% were net base-
producing. The computational model predicted NEAP for the
average American diet (as recorded in the third National
Health and Nutrition Examination Survey) as 48 mEq/d, within
a few percentage points of published measured values for
free-living Americans; the model, therefore, was not biased
toward generating negative NEAP values. The historical shift
from negative to positive NEAP was accounted for by the
displacement of high-bicarbonate-yielding plant foods in the
ancestral diet by cereal grains and energy-dense, nutrient-
poor foods in the contemporary diet—neither of which are net
base-producing.

Conclusions: The findings suggest that diet-induced
metabolic acidosis and its sequelae in humans eating
contemporary diets reflect a mismatch between the nutrient
composition of the diet and genetically determined
nutritional requirements for optimal systemic acid-base
status."

Cordain L, Eaton SB, Sebastian A, Mann N, Lindeberg S, Watkins BA,
O'Keefe JH, Brand-Miller J.
Origins and evolution of the Western diet: health implications for the
21st century.
Am J Clin Nutr. 2005 Feb;81(2):341-54. Review.
PMID: 15699220 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/81/2/341>

"Acid-base balance

After digestion, absorption, and metabolism, nearly all foods
release either acid or bicarbonate (base) into the systemic
circulation (146, 147). As shown in Table 5Go, fish, meat,
poultry, eggs, shellfish, cheese, milk, and cereal grains are
net acid producing, whereas fresh fruit, vegetables, tubers,
roots, and nuts are net base producing. Legumes yield near-zero
mean acid values, which reflects an overlapping distribution
from slightly net acid producing to slightly net base
producing. Not shown in Table 5Go are energy-dense, nutrient-
poor foods such as separated fats and refined sugars that
contribute neither to the acid nor the base load. Additionally,
salt is net acid producing because of the chloride ion (146).

[...]

The typical Western diet yields a net acid load estimated to be
50 mEq/d (148). As a result, healthy adults consuming the
standard US diet sustain a chronic, low-grade pathogenic
metabolic acidosis that worsens with age as kidney function
declines (146, 149). Virtually all preagricultural diets were
net base yielding because of the absence of cereals and energy-
dense, nutrient-poor foods—foods that were introduced during
the Neolithic and Industrial Eras and that displaced base-
yielding fruit and vegetables (147). Consequently, a net base-
producing diet was the norm throughout most of hominin
evolution (147). The known health benefits of a net base-
yielding diet include preventing and treating osteoporosis
(150, 151), age-related muscle wasting (152), calcium kidney
stones (153, 154), hypertension (155, 156), and exercise-
induced asthma (157) and slow the progression of age- and
disease-related chronic renal insufficiency (158)."

Macdonald HM, New SA, Fraser WD, Campbell MK, Reid DM.
Low dietary potassium intakes and high dietary estimates of net
endogenous acid production are associated with low bone mineral
density in premenopausal women and increased markers of bone
resorption in postmenopausal women.
Am J Clin Nutr. 2005 Apr;81(4):923-33.
PMID: 15817873 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/81/4/923>

Sebastian A.
Dietary protein content and the diet's net acid load: opposing effects
on bone health.
Am J Clin Nutr. 2005 Nov;82(5):921-2.
PMID: 16280420 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
<http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/82/5/921>

Jajoo R, Song L, Rasmussen H, Harris SS, Dawson-Hughes B. Dietary
acid-base balance, bone resorption, and calcium excretion.
J Am Coll Nutr. 2006 Jun;25(3):224-30.
PMID: 16766781 [PubMed - in process]
<http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/abstract/25/3/224>

"Objective: Metabolic studies reveal that acidogenic diets
increase bone resorption acutely. This study was conducted to
examine associations between diet-induced changes in net acid
excretion (NAE) and changes in serum parathyroid hormone (PTH),
bone resorption, and calcium excretion over a longer period of
60 days.

Methods: Forty healthy older men and women were given 0.75 g/kg
of protein as meat, 600 mg of calcium, and 400 IU of vitamin D3
daily and either cereal (acidogenic) or fruit and vegetable
(alkalinogenic) foods as substitutes for some of the cereal in
their usual diets. Blood and 24-hr urine measurements were made
on days 14 (baseline), 44, and 74.

Results: In all subjects, change in renal NAE was correlated
with changes in serum PTH (r = 0.358, P = 0.023), urinary N-
telopeptide (NTX) (r = 0.367, P = 0.020), and urinary calcium
excretion (rp = 0.381, P = 0.020, after adjustment for diet
group, change in PTH, and change in sodium excretion).

Conclusions: Diet changes that increase renal NAE are
associated with increases in serum PTH, bone resorption, and
calcium excretion over a 60-day period."


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:34 am    Post subject: Re: Ph Balancing Reply with quote

On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:42:49 GMT, "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Quote:

"J W" <jonboy42@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:19261-44AFE691-262@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net...
Actually you are quite wrong. Excessive sugar consumption among other
things can and does throw your gut's PH off which can cause yeast
overgrowth as well as candida yeast overgrowth which causes your immune
system to suffer greatly as 40% of your body's imune system is in your
gut and I think it's common knowledge that a comprimised immune system
cannot effectively destroy mutated body cells which we all get numerous
times during our lives.

The whole yeast thing is crap:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/candida.html

I agree.


Quote:
Besides, we have these neat things called "kidneys" that maintain the body's
pH in the proper balance.

To a certain extent, yes. But in many cases acid load from diet is

just a little bit too much for kidneys to cope and mild chronic
metabolic acidosis follows. This becomes more common with age when
kidneys' performance starts slowly going down.

Still, this has nothing do with cancer, IMHO, but it could cause
muscle protein breakdown and increase the risk of osteoporosis.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:05 am    Post subject: Re: Ph Balancing (steph) Reply with quote

madiba wrote:

Quote:
Peter Moran <pmoran@bordernet.com.au> wrote:

"J W" <jonboy42@webtv.net> wrote in message


Bottom line if someone comes here with a thought or idea let the
majority decide if it is something that they are willing to try or not
and keep your thoughts to yourself unless you have physically tried
them. History is riddled with dumb sounding ideas that went on to become
very useful ideas because intelligent people encourage free thinking and
new ideas. Ignorant people oppose anything that isn't tried and true
tested, even if it has been proven to be extremely costly and shown
only limited success. In otherwords if you aint got something good to
say, don't speak because people who are very ill with this disease do
not need negativity.
Its very simple. If you have an idea about an alternative method of
treating cancer put it in an alt.cancer newsgroup.
If and when your idea works verifiably, put it in this NG.

No thanks, he'll get the same answers, from me, Steph and many others.
J
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Ph Balancing (steph) Reply with quote

The problem with the study is that there are very few widespread fungal
infections. In fact, the only one I saw was in a patient who was on
chemotherapy. As soon as his immune system started to come back to normal,
he beat the candida infection.

Jeff

"J W" <jonboy42@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Candida and Fungal Infections Related To Cancer Development Some doctors
theorize that candida or other systemic fungal infections may cause or
at least contribute to the development of cancer. It makes sense. A
widespread candida infection plays havoc on the immune system. Not only
does the immune system become overwhelmed and worn out from fighting it,
but the candida (or other pathogens) excrete toxins that further weaken
and harm the body.
The major waste product of candida is acetaldehyde, which produces
ethanol. Ethanol can cause excessive fatigue, and reduces strength and
stamina. In addition, it destroys enzymes needed for cell energy, and
causes the release of free radicals that can damage DNA. Ethanol makes
it difficult to absorb iron. This reduces one of the most important
oxygen supports in the blood (iron), and makes it difficult for your
body to oxygenate fully. And you know what may happen when your body
can't oxygenate well. So it may be important to deal with candida if one
wants to successfully recover from cancer. There is a simple test to
help you determine if you have candida overgrowth.
First thing in the morning, before you put ANYTHING in your mouth, get a
clear glass of water. Better still; leave it by your bed the night
before. Work up a bit of saliva, and then spit it into the glass of
water.
Check the water every 15 minutes or so for up to one hour. If you have a
candida yeast infection, you will see strings (like legs) traveling down
into the water from the saliva floating on the top, or "cloudy" saliva
will sink to the bottom of the glass, or cloudy specks will seem to be
suspended in the water. If nothing develops in 30 minutes, you are
probably candida yeast free.
A few reports implicate the role of fungi in causing leukemia. In 1999
Meinolf Karthaus, MD, watched three different children with leukemia
suddenly go into remission upon receiving a triple antifungal drug
cocktail for their "secondary" fungal infections. In 1997 Mark Bielski
stated that leukemia, whether acute or chronic, is intimately associated
with the yeast, Candida albicans, which mutates into a fungal form when
it overgrows.
Milton White, MD. believed that cancer is a chronic, infectious, fungus
disease. He was able to find fungal spores in every sample of cancer
tissue he studied.
Author Doug Kaufmann asserts that fungi in foods may play a role in
cancer. He has seen children become free of their documented leukemia
once the child's parents simply changed the child's diet. Kaufmann's
diet is base on the widely published problem of mycotoxin contamination
of our grain foods.
Grains such as corn, wheat, barley, sorghum, and other foods such as
peanuts, are commonly contaminated with cancer-causing fungal poisons
called mycotoxins. One of them, called aflatoxin, just happens to be the
most carcinogenic substance on earth.
He says we consume, on average, from 0.15mg to 0.5mg of aflatoxin per
day. So it is not sugar alone that is the problem in our western diet,
but fungal toxins that are found in the sugary grains. More than once
has Kaufmann interviewed a caller (on his health talk show) who
absolutely craved peanut butter and popcorn just prior to their
diagnosis of cancer.
Kaufmann feels that antibiotics may play a role in this. Antibiotics
destroy the normal, protective gut bacteria, allowing intestinal yeast
and fungi to grow unchecked. Resulting in Candida overgrowth. This can
lead to immune suppression, symptoms of any autoimmune disease, or even
cancer.
"If the onset of any symptom or disease, cancer included, was preceded
by a course of antibiotics," he says, "then look for a fungus to be at
the root of your problem.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Ph Balancing Reply with quote

"J W" <jonboy42@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
Actually you are quite wrong. Excessive sugar consumption among other
things can and does throw your gut's PH off which can cause yeast
overgrowth as well as candida yeast overgrowth which causes your immune
system to suffer greatly as 40% of your body's imune system is in your
gut and I think it's common knowledge that a comprimised immune system
cannot effectively destroy mutated body cells which we all get numerous
times during our lives.

The whole yeast thing is crap:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/candida.html

Besides, we have these neat things called "kidneys" that maintain the body's
pH in the proper balance.

Quote:
Whle some people have a genetic prepensity to certain types of cancer,
cancer is not for the most part caused by defective genes.

Our bodies replicate spent cells constantly 24/7 at a blinding pace.
Inevitably there will be errors ( cancerous or mutated cells) everyone
gets them. Our immune system under normal circumstances finds and
destroys them before they can replicate and become a serious problem

When the immune system can't fight them effectively they then can
multiply quickly and next thing you know, you have a tumor. allergies
can also comprimise your immune system and cause the same problem.

Really? Where is the evidence that people who have allergies are more likely
to get cancer?

Quote:
So
yes keeping your body's PH balanced, keeping allergies in check and
doing whatever you can to strengthen your immune system is extremely
important in fighting against cancer.

Bull. My kidneys keep my pH in perfect balance. And autoimmune diseases are
caused by an immune system that is overreacting.

Quote:
Know what you are talking about
before you open yer yap. Read the book "fighting cancer with nutrition"
By Patrick Quillen it is written by a PHD 20 year head of nutrition
depts. at national cancer institutes who has helped many patient recover
or at least have better outcomes with thier cancers. I think he knows
what he's talking about and he backs up every statement with facts and
references.

What you think means little to me.

Jeff

Quote:
Re: Ph Balancing

Group: sci.med.diseases.cancer Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2006, 4:40am (EDT+4)
From: kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com (Jeff)
"synchronicity" <psych1@enlightenment-psych.net> wrote in message
news:1152204549.507182.198150@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
A good friend of mine developed cancer some years back, when he told me
he was understandably depressed needless to say. I told him lots of
people get cancer, it has to do with Acid/Alkaline balances in your
body.
Actually, it has to do with genes in your cells and damage to the genes.
It has nothing to do with acid base balance.



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Ph Balancing (steph) Reply with quote

Peter Moran <pmoran@bordernet.com.au> wrote:

Quote:
"J W" <jonboy42@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:2968-44AFB9A0-25@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net...

Bottom line if someone comes here with a thought or idea let the
majority decide if it is something that they are willing to try or not
and keep your thoughts to yourself unless you have physically tried
them. History is riddled with dumb sounding ideas that went on to become
very useful ideas because intelligent people encourage free thinking and
new ideas. Ignorant people oppose anything that isn't tried and true
tested, even if it has been proven to be extremely costly and shown
only limited success. In otherwords if you aint got something good to
say, don't speak because people who are very ill with this disease do
not need negativity.
Its very simple. If you have an idea about an alternative method of

treating cancer put it in an alt.cancer newsgroup.
If and when your idea works verifiably, put it in this NG.

Quote:
I hear you well. Steph can be very blunt, and it is true that we cannot
He's perceptibly more upbeat after a holiday though.. :-/

But why not? Why should the patient and the doc* not take this unique
chance that usenet offers to lay the cards on the table as they really
are? Straight talk, without frills, especially for snake oil salesmen.
Few docs can afford to do that in a practice nowdays for fear of scaring
the patients away. Here things are cosy and anonymous, so give it all
you've got. No tissues to dry up the tears though, so if its sympathy
one's looking for then go to a support group or to a doctors practice.


Quote:
always predict how cancer will behave.
The problem is that trying to avoid ALL negativity also inhibits the
forthright discussion needed to get at the truth of things. The truth is
pretty important where claims of cancer cure are concerned.
I am sure you find it difficult to appreciate it right now, but it is in
the best interests of ALL cancer sufferers that we should be tough on those
who irresponsibly promote unsubstantiated and unlikely methods like pH
balancing, if only to try and force them into producing some decent
evidence for their claims. I say this in full knowledge of how highly,
and regularly, pH balancing is currently spoken of in alternative circles.
Then they are discussions that fail to acknowledge basic principles of

(patho)-physiology. Sure some tumors can become hypoxic and thus
acidic, but this is because of rapid cell division and not the other way
round, ie the tumor didnt form because of the acidic environment.
Thats something else I've noticed: a lot of the alt. claims contain SOME
truth, often gleaned out of context from bona fide sources. This makes
it twice as difficult for the untrained person to decide whether he s
being taken for a ride or not. A tip as you mentioned is to see if
products are being pushed.
--
madiba
*theoretically of course: here on usenet patients are not treated,
people w. questions are advised.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:49 am    Post subject: Re: Ph Balancing (steph) Reply with quote

"J W" <jonboy42@webtv.net> wrote in message
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<Candida and Fungal Infections Related To Cancer Development Some doctors
<theorize that candida or other systemic fungal infections may cause or
<at least contribute to the development of cancer. It makes sense. A
<widespread candida infection plays havoc on the immune system. Not only
<does the immune system become overwhelmed and worn out from fighting it,
<but the candida (or other pathogens) excrete toxins that further weaken
<and harm the body.

Candida gets a ho;d when immunity is already compromised, not the other way
around. You have the cart before the horse.
As for your spit frolics..............enjoy
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Ph Balancing (steph) Reply with quote

"J W" <jonboy42@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
You know Steph, I don't post in here much because I have and want to
keep a positive attitude and hold out hope for a remission or cure of my
cancer. I do read many of the posts in here though and I must say that
despite the fact you are helpful and informative in some areas, you are
a very negative person. It almost seems to me at times that you go out
of your way to bum out anyone that posts in here.

When I first started posting in here I was under the impression that you
were some sort of doctor or at least authority on the subject of cancer.
Well if you are I'm thankful that I have never had the honor of an
office visit with you. Almost every post I ever made in here you came
along and dashed my hopes right into the gutter. Why don't you lighten
up sme man.

If someone comes in here with an idea or suggestion, leave them alone as
long as they aren't selling snake oil. Proven fact that some things do
work well for some and at same time not well for others, but one of the
few ways people can find alternative ideas for help is to read them in
groups like this and decide for themselves whether or not to try them.
They don't need self appointed gaurdians shooting down every idea or
suggestion that comes in here. That's why a lot of people who have good
ideas never tell anyone about them because of people like you shooting
them down and embarrassing them. Who are you to decide what is or is not
right for people to try? facts are clear that the chemo and radiation
alone are effecrtive in only about 3% of patients. There are a lot of
complimentary alternatives including mental and spiritual attitudes that
do in many cases improve the outcome of one's illness.

Bottom line if someone comes here with a thought or idea let the
majority decide if it is something that they are willing to try or not
and keep your thoughts to yourself unless you have physically tried
them. History is riddled with dumb sounding ideas that went on to become
very useful ideas because intelligent people encourage free thinking and
new ideas. Ignorant people oppose anything that isn't tried and true
tested, even if it has been proven to be extremely costly and shown
only limited success. In otherwords if you aint got something good to
say, don't speak because people who are very ill with this disease do
not need negativity.

I hear you well. Steph can be very blunt, and it is true that we cannot
always predict how cancer will behave.

The problem is that trying to avoid ALL negativity also inhibits the
forthright discussion needed to get at the truth of things. The truth is
pretty important where claims of cancer cure are concerned.

I am sure you find it difficult to appreciate it right now, but it is in
the best interests of ALL cancer sufferers that we should be tough on those
who irresponsibly promote unsubstantiated and unlikely methods like pH
balancing, if only to try and force them into producing some decent
evidence for their claims. I say this in full knowledge of how highly,
and regularly, pH balancing is currently spoken of in alternative circles.

And, contrary to what you say, our disbelief is not based simply on the
fact that certain methods like pH balancing are implausible on very
well-trodden paths of science. There is also not a trace of evidence they
work -- not even any decent anecdotal evidence (e.g. testimonial) in this
particular instance (I know, I am looking at this stuff all the time).
There is usually also no sound provenance for them, with usually a
distinctly entrepreneurial flavour to their birth..

We can't prove absolutely that such methods don't have any benefits for
cancer patients, but we can explain why that is staggeringly unlikely, and
also point to a solid track record of them not working whenever they are
more closely examined, despite often extravagant claims.

Peter Moran

www.cancerwatcher.com
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Ph Balancing (steph) Reply with quote

Candida and Fungal Infections Related To Cancer Development Some doctors
theorize that candida or other systemic fungal infections may cause or
at least contribute to the development of cancer. It makes sense. A
widespread candida infection plays havoc on the immune system. Not only
does the immune system become overwhelmed and worn out from fighting it,
but the candida (or other pathogens) excrete toxins that further weaken
and harm the body.
The major waste product of candida is acetaldehyde, which produces
ethanol. Ethanol can cause excessive fatigue, and reduces strength and
stamina. In addition, it destroys enzymes needed for cell energy, and
causes the release of free radicals that can damage DNA. Ethanol makes
it difficult to absorb iron. This reduces one of the most important
oxygen supports in the blood (iron), and makes it difficult for your
body to oxygenate fully. And you know what may happen when your body
can't oxygenate well. So it may be important to deal with candida if one
wants to successfully recover from cancer. There is a simple test to
help you determine if you have candida overgrowth.
First thing in the morning, before you put ANYTHING in your mouth, get a
clear glass of water. Better still; leave it by your bed the night
before. Work up a bit of saliva, and then spit it into the glass of
water.
Check the water every 15 minutes or so for up to one hour. If you have a
candida yeast infection, you will see strings (like legs) traveling down
into the water from the saliva floating on the top, or "cloudy" saliva
will sink to the bottom of the glass, or cloudy specks will seem to be
suspended in the water. If nothing develops in 30 minutes, you are
probably candida yeast free.
A few reports implicate the role of fungi in causing leukemia. In 1999
Meinolf Karthaus, MD, watched three different children with leukemia
suddenly go into remission upon receiving a triple antifungal drug
cocktail for their "secondary" fungal infections. In 1997 Mark Bielski
stated that leukemia, whether acute or chronic, is intimately associated
with the yeast, Candida albicans, which mutates into a fungal form when
it overgrows.
Milton White, MD. believed that cancer is a chronic, infectious, fungus
disease. He was able to find fungal spores in every sample of cancer
tissue he studied.
Author Doug Kaufmann asserts that fungi in foods may play a role in
cancer. He has seen children become free of their documented leukemia
once the child's parents simply changed the child's diet. Kaufmann's
diet is base on the widely published problem of mycotoxin contamination
of our grain foods.
Grains such as corn, wheat, barley, sorghum, and other foods such as
peanuts, are commonly contaminated with cancer-causing fungal poisons
called mycotoxins. One of them, called aflatoxin, just happens to be the
most carcinogenic substance on earth.
He says we consume, on average, from 0.15mg to 0.5mg of aflatoxin per
day. So it is not sugar alone that is the problem in our western diet,
but fungal toxins that are found in the sugary grains. More than once
has Kaufmann interviewed a caller (on his health talk show) who
absolutely craved peanut butter and popcorn just prior to their
diagnosis of cancer.
Kaufmann feels that antibiotics may play a role in this. Antibiotics
destroy the normal, protective gut bacteria, allowing intestinal yeast
and fungi to grow unchecked. Resulting in Candida overgrowth. This can
lead to immune suppression, symptoms of any autoimmune disease, or even
cancer.
"If the onset of any symptom or disease, cancer included, was preceded
by a course of antibiotics," he says, "then look for a fungus to be at
the root of your problem.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Ph Balancing (steph) Reply with quote

I am going to back Steph up on this one -- the thought that consuming
too much sugars causing a pH imbalance which leads to immunosuppression
and subsequent cancer formation/progression is not even on the radar
screen of things that are likely.

Some of this probably represents good science being twisted or
misunderstood -- the increase in glycosylation end products which is
being referred to does have many deleterious effects, most notably on
the cardiovascular system, but has never been implicated in cancerous
change or progression to my knowledge in a reputable journal.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Ph Balancing Reply with quote

Actually you are quite wrong. Excessive sugar consumption among other
things can and does throw your gut's PH off which can cause yeast
overgrowth as well as candida yeast overgrowth which causes your immune
system to suffer greatly as 40% of your body's imune system is in your
gut and I think it's common knowledge that a comprimised immune system
cannot effectively destroy mutated body cells which we all get numerous
times during our lives.
Whle some people have a genetic prepensity to certain types of cancer,
cancer is not for the most part caused by defective genes.

Our bodies replicate spent cells constantly 24/7 at a blinding pace.
Inevitably there will be errors ( cancerous or mutated cells) everyone
gets them. Our immune system under normal circumstances finds and
destroys them before they can replicate and become a serious problem

When the immune system can't fight them effectively they then can
multiply quickly and next thing you know, you have a tumor. allergies
can also comprimise your immune system and cause the same problem. So
yes keeping your body's PH balanced, keeping allergies in check and
doing whatever you can to strengthen your immune system is extremely
important in fighting against cancer. Know what you are talking about
before you open yer yap. Read the book "fighting cancer with nutrition"
By Patrick Quillen it is written by a PHD 20 year head of nutrition
depts. at national cancer institutes who has helped many patient recover
or at least have better outcomes with thier cancers. I think he knows
what he's talking about and he backs up every statement with facts and
references.


Re: Ph Balancing

Group: sci.med.diseases.cancer Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2006, 4:40am (EDT+4)
From: kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com (Jeff)
"synchronicity" <psych1@enlightenment-psych.net> wrote in message
news:1152204549.507182.198150@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
A good friend of mine developed cancer some years back, when he told me
he was understandably depressed needless to say. I told him lots of
people get cancer, it has to do with Acid/Alkaline balances in your
body.
Actually, it has to do with genes in your cells and damage to the genes.
It has nothing to do with acid base balance.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Ph Balancing (steph) Reply with quote

"J W" <jonboy42@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:2968-44AFB9A0-25@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net...
Quote:
You know Steph, I don't post in here much because I have and want to
keep a positive attitude and hold out hope for a remission or cure of my
cancer. I do read many of the posts in here though and I must say that
despite the fact you are helpful and informative in some areas, you are
a very negative person. It almost seems to me at times that you go out
of your way to bum out anyone that posts in here.


Only anyone who posts misleading or untrue nonsense, especially if they are
out to make money from the desperate.

Quote:
When I first started posting in here I was under the impression that you
were some sort of doctor or at least authority on the subject of cancer.
Well if you are I'm thankful that I have never had the honor of an
office visit with you. Almost every post I ever made in here you came
along and dashed my hopes right into the gutter. Why don't you lighten
up sme man.


That's fine. My patients prefer honesty to fairy-tales, but it doesn't work
for everyone.

Quote:
If someone comes in here with an idea or suggestion, leave them alone as
long as they aren't selling snake oil. Proven fact that some things do
work well for some and at same time not well for others, but one of the
few ways people can find alternative ideas for help is to read them in
groups like this and decide for themselves whether or not to try them.
They don't need self appointed gaurdians shooting down every idea or
suggestion that comes in here. That's why a lot of people who have good
ideas never tell anyone about them because of people like you shooting
them down and embarrassing them. Who are you to decide what is or is not
right for people to try? facts are clear that the chemo and radiation
alone are effecrtive in only about 3% of patients. There are a lot of
complimentary alternatives including mental and spiritual attitudes that
do in many cases improve the outcome of one's illness.


Your figures are wrong. About 65% of patients with cancer are cured by
surgery, radiation and chemotherapy. More if you include non-melanoma askin
cancer. I have no idea where your 3% comes from.
I hva eno problem at all with "complimentary alternatives including mental
and spiritual attitudes", however, anyone who claims that they improve
outcomes neeeds to provide the hard evidence. I don't claim things without
evidence, and I expect the same of others.

Quote:
Bottom line if someone comes here with a thought or idea let the
majority decide if it is something that they are willing to try or not
and keep your thoughts to yourself unless you have physically tried
them. History is riddled with dumb sounding ideas that went on to become
very useful ideas because intelligent people encourage free thinking and
new ideas. Ignorant people oppose anything that isn't tried and true
tested, even if it has been proven to be extremely costly and shown
only limited success. In otherwords if you aint got something good to
say, don't speak because people who are very ill with this disease do
not need negativity.


One man's negativity is another man's honesty. People in the end do what
they want, and believe what they want. I have no control over that. But I do
have a right (responsibility even) to point out folly when I see it.
Sorry if you find that alarming.

I totally reject the concept that if I don't have anything good to say about
a subject, I should say nothing. Someone said that all that is required for
evil to succeed is that good men do nothing. I reject doing nothing. As for
"ignorant" people opposing anything which isn't tried and true tested, I
believe those ignorant people are the intelligent ones. People who grasp at
straws in desperate circumstances are understandable. People who throw or
sell straws to drowning men are despicable.

If you find that unpalatable, so be it
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Ph Balancing (steph) Reply with quote

You know Steph, I don't post in here much because I have and want to
keep a positive attitude and hold out hope for a remission or cure of my
cancer. I do read many of the posts in here though and I must say that
despite the fact you are helpful and informative in some areas, you are
a very negative person. It almost seems to me at times that you go out
of your way to bum out anyone that posts in here.

When I first started posting in here I was under the impression that you
were some sort of doctor or at least authority on the subject of cancer.
Well if you are I'm thankful that I have never had the honor of an
office visit with you. Almost every post I ever made in here you came
along and dashed my hopes right into the gutter. Why don't you lighten
up sme man.

If someone comes in here with an idea or suggestion, leave them alone as
long as they aren't selling snake oil. Proven fact that some things do
work well for some and at same time not well for others, but one of the
few ways people can find alternative ideas for help is to read them in
groups like this and decide for themselves whether or not to try them.
They don't need self appointed gaurdians shooting down every idea or
suggestion that comes in here. That's why a lot of people who have good
ideas never tell anyone about them because of people like you shooting
them down and embarrassing them. Who are you to decide what is or is not
right for people to try? facts are clear that the chemo and radiation
alone are effecrtive in only about 3% of patients. There are a lot of
complimentary alternatives including mental and spiritual attitudes that
do in many cases improve the outcome of one's illness.

Bottom line if someone comes here with a thought or idea let the
majority decide if it is something that they are willing to try or not
and keep your thoughts to yourself unless you have physically tried
them. History is riddled with dumb sounding ideas that went on to become
very useful ideas because intelligent people encourage free thinking and
new ideas. Ignorant people oppose anything that isn't tried and true
tested, even if it has been proven to be extremely costly and shown
only limited success. In otherwords if you aint got something good to
say, don't speak because people who are very ill with this disease do
not need negativity.



Re: Ph Balancing

Group: sci.med.diseases.cancer Date: Fri, Jul 7, 2006, 2:42am (EDT+4)
From: steph@vancouvers.island (Steph)
"synchronicity" <psych1@enlightenment-psych.net> wrote in message
news:1152204549.507182.198150@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
A good friend of mine developed cancer some years back, when he told me
he was understandably depressed needless to say. I told him lots of
people get cancer,
True...........
it has to do with Acid/Alkaline balances in your body.
Bollox of the highest order
YOu can beat it if you try. He said he would like to know what to do
about it.
Surgery? Radiotherapy? Chemotherapy?
I told him about diets and green tea, and garden fresh vegatbles (he has
a garden), and lottsa stuff. That was around five years ago, he called
me a month ago right after his last test.The doctor told him he is in
remission. I asked if he was still drinking plenty of tea and to what do
you attribute this accomplishment.
Well, I guess we would need to know what cancer, what stage, and what
treatment.........
He said that he paid $45 dollars for a book that basically told him the
same thing that I told him.
That's nice.
At the time I didn't know that there were other things to maintain this
all important acid/alkaline Ph balance. It's something that I
recommended to a young lady yesterday, her son has cancer and she is
just learning about Ph factors.
Your body maintains it's pH balance very well thankyou.
This is the Ph balancer
http://www.myforevergreen.org/mindfood/Catalog/PersonalWords.html
Look into FrequenSea, watch the video
http://www.frequensea.com/mindfood/Product/Page2.html
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:17 am    Post subject: Re: Ph Balancing Reply with quote

On 6 Jul 2006 09:49:09 -0700, "synchronicity"
<psych1@enlightenment-psych.net> wrote:

Quote:
A good friend of mine developed cancer some years back, when he told me
he was understandably depressed needless to say. I told him lots of
people get cancer, it has to do with Acid/Alkaline balances in your
body. YOu can beat it if you try. He said he would like to know what to
do about it.

I told him about diets and green tea, and garden fresh vegatbles (he
has a garden), and lottsa stuff. That was around five years ago, he
called me a month ago right after his last test.The doctor told him he
is in remission. I asked if he was still drinking plenty of tea and to
what do you attribute this accomplishment.

He said that he paid $45 dollars for a book that basically told him the
same thing that I told him.

At the time I didn't know that there were other things to maintain this
all important acid/alkaline Ph balance. It's something that I
recommended to a young lady yesterday, her son has cancer and she is
just learning about Ph factors.

This is the Ph balancer
http://www.myforevergreen.org/mindfood/Catalog/PersonalWords.html

Look into FrequenSea, watch the video
http://www.frequensea.com/mindfood/Product/Page2.html

Seems that you are just another lousy spammer. Shame on you. Don't you
know that spamming always backfires. I _never_ buy spammed products
and I urge others also to boycott products and the company mentioned
in above links.



--
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