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derdrittemann2003@yahoo.c
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:29 am    Post subject: Re: Tick bite - Now What? Reply with quote

trong wrote:
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well, many types of ticks. hard and soft ticks. I can't remember all of
the names...what frightens me most is that the CDC and IDSA types have

take the cheap doxy, and ask questions later. that's my opinion. one
cannot trust the IDSA or CDC types for advice on this issue.

For WHAT?

To prevent WHAT?

Do you honestly mean to suggest that ANYONE whenever bitten by a
tick...should take 21 days of doxy...no matter what the risk factors?

What if they are bitten by a fly? A mosquito?

To do what?...prevent the unknown CHANCE of infection? Well, that's
just it...numbnuts...we're talking about a CHANCE...PROBABILITIES.

RISKS.

You can't really mean to suggest that we should take antibiotics to
prevent against all unknown risks?
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eugeneshapiroisapig
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:02 am    Post subject: Re: Tick bite - Now What? Reply with quote

well, many types of ticks. hard and soft ticks. I can't remember all of
the names...what frightens me most is that the CDC and IDSA types have
zero interest in exploring lonestari as a human pathogen, that much is
obvious. I think they've given up. I think they conduct secret epi
research here along with US AMRID. the strange thing, for me, is how
lonestari apparently switches the serum resistance phenomena, from deer
to mice, and uses deer as a natural reservoir...also in europe we see
B. lusitania which I believe is capable of causing human illness, using
lizards as a natural host...so yes, in part, my advice is not based on
known fact...but it is based on experience...the knowledge that the
medical establishment and CDC do not care an iota about the individual,
only about dollars...and so I say, why take a chance? nobody trusts the
CDC anymore, they've never even bothered to warn the american people
about the neuropsychiatric effects of lyme encephalopathy, they've
never warned the psychiatric profession or gps to look out for this, in
fact in the past 5 years there has been one single goddamn press
release from the CDC's info office wrt lyme, and it dealt with grant
recipients.

take the cheap doxy, and ask questions later. that's my opinion. one
cannot trust the IDSA or CDC types for advice on this issue.
the 3rd Man wrote:
Quote:
trong wrote:
I was responding to this, in particular...

"Well, yes, but, see...if you go by the numbers...the chances of you
contracting Lyme disease from either of two tickbites...even in the
most endemic areas are not all that good...so going to the doctor every

time you find an attached tick...you see my point? "

YES...I UNDERSTAND...but the discussion veered off from the original
question about what to do about an attached deertick (I said get the
doxy)...

...and then Kara said she would advise seeking treatment for ANY
tickbite...and I am questioning that...trying to figure out what that
actually means in context...

...and you seem to be going back and forth and not making any sense
whatever. (Surprise).

So...I ask again...what types of ticks are K-N-O-W-N to transmit
"spirochetal infections" to humans?
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derdrittemann2003@yahoo.c
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:55 am    Post subject: Re: Tick bite - Now What? Reply with quote

trong wrote:
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you need to chill out.


You need to GFY.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:54 am    Post subject: Re: Tick bite - Now What? Reply with quote

trong wrote:
Quote:
I was responding to this, in particular...

"Well, yes, but, see...if you go by the numbers...the chances of you
contracting Lyme disease from either of two tickbites...even in the
most endemic areas are not all that good...so going to the doctor every

time you find an attached tick...you see my point? "

YES...I UNDERSTAND...but the discussion veered off from the original
question about what to do about an attached deertick (I said get the
doxy)...

....and then Kara said she would advise seeking treatment for ANY
tickbite...and I am questioning that...trying to figure out what that
actually means in context...

....and you seem to be going back and forth and not making any sense
whatever. (Surprise).

So...I ask again...what types of ticks are K-N-O-W-N to transmit
"spirochetal infections" to humans?
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eugeneshapiroisapig
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:53 am    Post subject: Re: Tick bite - Now What? Reply with quote

you need to chill out.
the 3rd Man wrote:
Quote:
trong wrote:

in some parts of the northeast, up to 50% of deer ticks carry Bb. as
has been noted by others, improper removal of a tick can squeeze the
abdominal contents into the body. also, it is known with relapsing
fever that one single spirochete is enough to establish infection.


Since you are apparently either too lazy or not smart enough to read
through the beginning of this relatively short discussion, allow me to
retrieve my repsonse to the ORIGINAL question...notice here that the
ORIGINAL question concerned late stage LYME DISEASE and the person
noted a DEERTICK atatched...and I said,

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Yeah, it pretty much is a totally dreadful disease in its later stages.


Are you sure this was a deer tick?


Did you save it?


Where do you live?


If you improperly remove a tick, it can force the tick to expel its
"load" into your bloodstream.


If it were me...and I supected that it might have been a deertick...and

if you are in an area where there is a known risk...I would go to my
doctor and ask for the 21 day cycle of doxycycline.


Although the official treatment guidelines from the Infectious Diseases

Society of America probably wouldn't allow that in these
circumstances...


...I doubt that any of us who have been battling this for several years

would suggest that it is anything but insanity to not to take the
preventative antibiotics.


Again, the risk factor depends on whether it was a deertick and how
prevalent the disease is in your area.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:47 am    Post subject: Re: Tick bite - Now What? Reply with quote

trong wrote:

Quote:
in some parts of the northeast, up to 50% of deer ticks carry Bb. as
has been noted by others, improper removal of a tick can squeeze the
abdominal contents into the body. also, it is known with relapsing
fever that one single spirochete is enough to establish infection.


Since you are apparently either too lazy or not smart enough to read
through the beginning of this relatively short discussion, allow me to
retrieve my repsonse to the ORIGINAL question...notice here that the
ORIGINAL question concerned late stage LYME DISEASE and the person
noted a DEERTICK atatched...and I said,

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah, it pretty much is a totally dreadful disease in its later stages.


Are you sure this was a deer tick?


Did you save it?


Where do you live?


If you improperly remove a tick, it can force the tick to expel its
"load" into your bloodstream.


If it were me...and I supected that it might have been a deertick...and

if you are in an area where there is a known risk...I would go to my
doctor and ask for the 21 day cycle of doxycycline.


Although the official treatment guidelines from the Infectious Diseases

Society of America probably wouldn't allow that in these
circumstances...


....I doubt that any of us who have been battling this for several years

would suggest that it is anything but insanity to not to take the
preventative antibiotics.


Again, the risk factor depends on whether it was a deertick and how
prevalent the disease is in your area.
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eugeneshapiroisapig
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:46 am    Post subject: Re: Tick bite - Now What? Reply with quote

I was responding to this, in particular...

"Well, yes, but, see...if you go by the numbers...the chances of you
contracting Lyme disease from either of two tickbites...even in the
most endemic areas are not all that good...so going to the doctor every

time you find an attached tick...you see my point? "




the 3rd Man wrote:
Quote:
trong wrote:

in some parts of the northeast, up to 50% of deer ticks carry Bb. as
has been noted by others, improper removal of a tick can squeeze the
abdominal contents into the body.

Yeah, that was me, dumbass.

also, it is known with relapsing
fever that one single spirochete is enough to establish infection.

So?

therefore, if you find a deer tick on you in the northeast, why take
chances? sure, the odds may be in your favor, but people ARE unlucky.

YES. A DEERTICK. Isn't that what I said? Din't I say that if you had a
bite from a DEERTICK in an endemic area to get the DOXY?

HUH? AIN'T THAT WHAT I JUST DAMN SAID?

SHEEEEESH.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:40 am    Post subject: Re: Tick bite - Now What? Reply with quote

trong wrote:

Quote:
in some parts of the northeast, up to 50% of deer ticks carry Bb. as
has been noted by others, improper removal of a tick can squeeze the
abdominal contents into the body.

Yeah, that was me, dumbass.

also, it is known with relapsing
Quote:
fever that one single spirochete is enough to establish infection.

So?
Quote:

therefore, if you find a deer tick on you in the northeast, why take
chances? sure, the odds may be in your favor, but people ARE unlucky.

YES. A DEERTICK. Isn't that what I said? Din't I say that if you had a
bite from a DEERTICK in an endemic area to get the DOXY?

HUH? AIN'T THAT WHAT I JUST DAMN SAID?

SHEEEEESH.
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eugeneshapiroisapig
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:35 am    Post subject: Re: Tick bite - Now What? Reply with quote

in some parts of the northeast, up to 50% of deer ticks carry Bb. as
has been noted by others, improper removal of a tick can squeeze the
abdominal contents into the body. also, it is known with relapsing
fever that one single spirochete is enough to establish infection.

therefore, if you find a deer tick on you in the northeast, why take
chances? sure, the odds may be in your favor, but people ARE unlucky.
the 3rd Man wrote:
Quote:
Kara wrote:

Well, I see your point...I just don't know if I would agree, entirely,
there...and I suspect that doctors would find you a
bit...uhh..."anxious" if you consulted about every tickbite.
_____________
Unless you are an outdoorsey person, you arent that likely to be bitten
all the time. I am almost 40 and have only had 2 tick bites in my life.



Well, yes, but, see...if you go by the numbers...the chances of you
contracting Lyme disease from either of two tickbites...even in the
most endemic areas are not all that good...so going to the doctor every
time you find an attached tick...you see my point?

(Guess you are just incredibly lucky...in a not-so-good way).

Really...as I understand it...yes, as you said...if you are
"outdoorsey" (I am, or was)...and are engaged in higher risk
activities...say, doing your own yardwork, as I used to like to do...or
golf off the fairway...constantly searching in the rough for the
ball...or spend a lot of time in the garden on your hands and
knees...walk your dog in the forest...

...so you couple that with engaging in those activities in an endemic
area...

..now...maybe you should think more about the tickbite.

But it really does depend on where you are, to some extent.

Yes, you can probably get it just about anywhere...but if you are from
Connecticut and you just return from Hawaii...I sort of doubt that you
probably contracted the disease in Hawaii.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:10 am    Post subject: Re: Tick bite - Now What? Reply with quote

Kara wrote:
Quote:

Well, I see your point...I just don't know if I would agree, entirely,
there...and I suspect that doctors would find you a
bit...uhh..."anxious" if you consulted about every tickbite.
_____________
Unless you are an outdoorsey person, you arent that likely to be bitten
all the time. I am almost 40 and have only had 2 tick bites in my life.



Well, yes, but, see...if you go by the numbers...the chances of you
contracting Lyme disease from either of two tickbites...even in the
most endemic areas are not all that good...so going to the doctor every
time you find an attached tick...you see my point?

(Guess you are just incredibly lucky...in a not-so-good way).

Really...as I understand it...yes, as you said...if you are
"outdoorsey" (I am, or was)...and are engaged in higher risk
activities...say, doing your own yardwork, as I used to like to do...or
golf off the fairway...constantly searching in the rough for the
ball...or spend a lot of time in the garden on your hands and
knees...walk your dog in the forest...

....so you couple that with engaging in those activities in an endemic
area...

...now...maybe you should think more about the tickbite.

But it really does depend on where you are, to some extent.

Yes, you can probably get it just about anywhere...but if you are from
Connecticut and you just return from Hawaii...I sort of doubt that you
probably contracted the disease in Hawaii.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:26 am    Post subject: Re: Tick bite - Now What? Reply with quote

trong wrote:
Quote:
uh, my comments related to any tick bite, not just ixodes. for
instance, little is known about lonestari in people...and that's
carried not by the ixodes tick, but by the lonestar tick...and who
knows about other borrelia, they are being discovered all the time.
...read my own writing, dumbass...I said "tick borne spirochetal
infection"...

So...you are saying that 21 days of Doxy should be given...regardless
of the type of tick or the prevalence of disease?

Upon finding ANY attached tick...or evidence of having been bitten by
ANY type of tick...regardless of WHERE in the country you were bitten?

That's idiotic.

But not terribly surprising coming from you.

Yeah...I saw what you said..."tickborne spirochetal infection".

Tell me, genius, what types of ticks are now KNOWN to transmit
"spirochetal infections"?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:33 am    Post subject: Re: Tick bite - Now What? Reply with quote

uh, my comments related to any tick bite, not just ixodes. for
instance, little is known about lonestari in people...and that's
carried not by the ixodes tick, but by the lonestar tick...and who
knows about other borrelia, they are being discovered all the time.
....read my own writing, dumbass...I said "tick borne spirochetal
infection"...
the 3rd Man wrote:
Quote:
trong wrote:
the problem with this rationale is, as you know, and as sigal has
admitted, sometimes no rash presents. this is why it is better to be
cautious, as opposed to waiting for some definite 'sign' of lyme
disease...the first 'sign' that you have a tick borne spirochetal
infection might be only in late stages when the disease is difficult to
treat. and then, you might be screwed and your life is ruined. 2 weeks
of doxy won't hurt anyone, and it costs almost nothing.


READ the fucking thing.

The discussion immediately preceeding concerned ANY tickbite...NOT just
an I. scapularis...and you can clearly see that I recommended 21 days
of doxy in the case of a known deertick bite...

...you filthy a*****le.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Tick bite - Now What? Reply with quote

Quote:

Well, I see your point...I just don't know if I would agree, entirely,
there...and I suspect that doctors would find you a
bit...uhh..."anxious" if you consulted about every tickbite.
_____________

Unless you are an outdoorsey person, you arent that likely to be bitten
all the time. I am almost 40 and have only had 2 tick bites in my life.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Tick bite - Now What? Reply with quote

trong wrote:
Quote:
the problem with this rationale is, as you know, and as sigal has
admitted, sometimes no rash presents. this is why it is better to be
cautious, as opposed to waiting for some definite 'sign' of lyme
disease...the first 'sign' that you have a tick borne spirochetal
infection might be only in late stages when the disease is difficult to
treat. and then, you might be screwed and your life is ruined. 2 weeks
of doxy won't hurt anyone, and it costs almost nothing.

Look at my response here...#2...YOU STUPID DOUCHEBAG...

"If it were me...and I supected that it might have been a
deertick...and
if you are in an area where there is a known risk...I would go to my
doctor and ask for the 21 day cycle of doxycycline".

DUMBASS.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Tick bite - Now What? Reply with quote

trong wrote:
Quote:
the problem with this rationale is, as you know, and as sigal has
admitted, sometimes no rash presents. this is why it is better to be
cautious, as opposed to waiting for some definite 'sign' of lyme
disease...the first 'sign' that you have a tick borne spirochetal
infection might be only in late stages when the disease is difficult to
treat. and then, you might be screwed and your life is ruined. 2 weeks
of doxy won't hurt anyone, and it costs almost nothing.


READ the fucking thing.

The discussion immediately preceeding concerned ANY tickbite...NOT just
an I. scapularis...and you can clearly see that I recommended 21 days
of doxy in the case of a known deertick bite...

....you filthy a*****le.
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