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Doug Freese
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:39 pm    Post subject: Re: carbs close up Reply with quote

"TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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What percentage of people would you think run 25 miles a week?

Hark, the real issue, not enough exercise be it running, hiking or a an
orgy 5 times a day. Most people are doormats and then wonder why they
get obese and like you start blaming grains and evil nutritionists. Eat
balanced and exercise( less of course the cheap sugar crap) and you'll
weigh less and feel better. Burn off slightly more than you take in,
even piss poor Snickers bars, and you weigh less albeit not the epitome
of healthy eating.

And not half bad for your heart and the rest of your muscles duh?. You
try to make this whole nutrition some mojo crap. Same old s**t TC!

-DF
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TC
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:31 pm    Post subject: Re: carbs close up Reply with quote

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
Quote:
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html

John Harvey Kellogg wrote against High-Protein diets over 100 years
ago.

Just thought that you might want to keep up with the literature. Smile

Literature? Quacks never add anything useful to the literature, and
that applies in spades to Kellogg.

The man was a religious zealot from a religious sect that was and is a
proponent of vegetarianism. Just because he happened to be a
religiously inspired vegetarian and he was selling, for profit, a
completely nutrient-deficient maufactured grain product for human
consumption does not mean that he "wrote against High-Protein diets".
He wrote "for" a nutrient deficient diet.

I can see one useful application for Kelloggs writings. It would be
useful as a hygienic product in an outhouse. Although I gather it would
be a tad rough on the rectum.

TC
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msamson11975@yahoo.ca
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:37 am    Post subject: Re: carbs close up Reply with quote

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
Quote:
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html

John Harvey Kellogg wrote against High-Protein diets over 100 years
ago.

Just thought that you might want to keep up with the literature. Smile

Hey quack, no one cares about corn flake boy! I would rather have you
replaced with Monty anyday!

Maybe corn flake boy should have warned against GRAINS and CARBS!!!
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msamson11975@yahoo.ca
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:36 am    Post subject: Re: carbs close up Reply with quote

TC wrote:
Quote:
Let's examine a typical relatively sedentary person of approx. 5' 10"
who will require approx. 2800 kcal/day. The supposedly ideal diet will
have 55% of these calories as carbs.

That is 1540 calories of carbs. That calculates out to 385 grams of
carbs per day. Let's examine how much of various foodstuffs one would
have to eat in a day.

This is how much of each of these foods that would add up to close to
385 grams or 1540 calories:

whole fresh produce:
66 cups of cherry tomatoes, raw
350 cups shredded lettuce, raw
33 cups chopped carrots, raw
24 cups chopped onions, raw
350 cups spinach, raw
107 cups celery, raw
77 cups cauliflower, boiled drained with salt
74 cups asparagus, raw


Grains:
13 cups, yellow sweet corn
17.5 cups Special K Cereal
17.3 cups Cheerios
9.7 cups white flour pasta, cooked
10.3 cups whole grain pasta, cooked
25 slices of white bread
30 slices whole wheat bread
5.4 white flour bagels
5.8 commercially prepared blueberry muffins

other foods:
7.3 cans soda
15 cups apple juice
10.8 cups Passion-fruit juice
7.5 bananas

Very interesting numbers.

TC

Excellent post.
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Mr-Natural-Health
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:53 pm    Post subject: Re: carbs close up Reply with quote

http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html

John Harvey Kellogg wrote against High-Protein diets over 100 years
ago.

Just thought that you might want to keep up with the literature. Smile
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TC
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:59 pm    Post subject: Re: carbs close up Reply with quote

jt wrote:
Quote:
On 4 Jul 2006 12:02:33 -0700, "TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:


jt wrote:
On 4 Jul 2006 09:14:29 -0700, "TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:

Let's examine a typical relatively sedentary person of approx. 5' 10"
who will require approx. 2800 kcal/day. The supposedly ideal diet will
have 55% of these calories as carbs.

That is 1540 calories of carbs. That calculates out to 385 grams of
carbs per day. Let's examine how much of various foodstuffs one would
have to eat in a day.

This is how much of each of these foods that would add up to close to
385 grams or 1540 calories:

whole fresh produce:
66 cups of cherry tomatoes, raw
350 cups shredded lettuce, raw
33 cups chopped carrots, raw
24 cups chopped onions, raw
350 cups spinach, raw
107 cups celery, raw
77 cups cauliflower, boiled drained with salt
74 cups asparagus, raw


Grains:
13 cups, yellow sweet corn
17.5 cups Special K Cereal
17.3 cups Cheerios
9.7 cups white flour pasta, cooked
10.3 cups whole grain pasta, cooked
25 slices of white bread
30 slices whole wheat bread
5.4 white flour bagels
5.8 commercially prepared blueberry muffins

other foods:
7.3 cans soda
15 cups apple juice
10.8 cups Passion-fruit juice
7.5 bananas

Very interesting numbers.

TC



2 Bananas 242 Calories 62g Carbs
3 Slice Whole Wheat Bread 300 Calories 66g Carbs
3 Cups Strawberries 156 Calories 39g Carbs
1 Cup Blueberries 82 Calories 21g carbs
3 jumbo raw eggs 270 Calories
2.25 Cups Whoe Grain Cereal 330 Calories 69g Carbs
5 Oz Fresh Whole Milk Mozzarella 350 Calories
1 cup raisins 520 Calories 124g Carbs
3oz Butter 300 Calories

Well I Run probably 25 miles a week and my typical daily diet above
with some other misc things only has 2550 calories which 60% come from
carbs the rest from healthy animal fats. I am 6'0" and weigh about
148 pounds which is what I have weighed for the last 18 years. Carbs
are not the issue but vegetables/vegetable oils, HFCS, processed food
etc.

What percentage of people would you think run 25 miles a week?

TC
25 or more probably less than 1%.

I'd say much much less than .00001%.

TC
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jt
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:57 pm    Post subject: Re: carbs close up Reply with quote

On 4 Jul 2006 12:02:33 -0700, "TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

jt wrote:
On 4 Jul 2006 09:14:29 -0700, "TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:

Let's examine a typical relatively sedentary person of approx. 5' 10"
who will require approx. 2800 kcal/day. The supposedly ideal diet will
have 55% of these calories as carbs.

That is 1540 calories of carbs. That calculates out to 385 grams of
carbs per day. Let's examine how much of various foodstuffs one would
have to eat in a day.

This is how much of each of these foods that would add up to close to
385 grams or 1540 calories:

whole fresh produce:
66 cups of cherry tomatoes, raw
350 cups shredded lettuce, raw
33 cups chopped carrots, raw
24 cups chopped onions, raw
350 cups spinach, raw
107 cups celery, raw
77 cups cauliflower, boiled drained with salt
74 cups asparagus, raw


Grains:
13 cups, yellow sweet corn
17.5 cups Special K Cereal
17.3 cups Cheerios
9.7 cups white flour pasta, cooked
10.3 cups whole grain pasta, cooked
25 slices of white bread
30 slices whole wheat bread
5.4 white flour bagels
5.8 commercially prepared blueberry muffins

other foods:
7.3 cans soda
15 cups apple juice
10.8 cups Passion-fruit juice
7.5 bananas

Very interesting numbers.

TC



2 Bananas 242 Calories 62g Carbs
3 Slice Whole Wheat Bread 300 Calories 66g Carbs
3 Cups Strawberries 156 Calories 39g Carbs
1 Cup Blueberries 82 Calories 21g carbs
3 jumbo raw eggs 270 Calories
2.25 Cups Whoe Grain Cereal 330 Calories 69g Carbs
5 Oz Fresh Whole Milk Mozzarella 350 Calories
1 cup raisins 520 Calories 124g Carbs
3oz Butter 300 Calories

Well I Run probably 25 miles a week and my typical daily diet above
with some other misc things only has 2550 calories which 60% come from
carbs the rest from healthy animal fats. I am 6'0" and weigh about
148 pounds which is what I have weighed for the last 18 years. Carbs
are not the issue but vegetables/vegetable oils, HFCS, processed food
etc.

What percentage of people would you think run 25 miles a week?

TC
25 or more probably less than 1%.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:02 pm    Post subject: Re: carbs close up Reply with quote

jt wrote:
Quote:
On 4 Jul 2006 09:14:29 -0700, "TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:

Let's examine a typical relatively sedentary person of approx. 5' 10"
who will require approx. 2800 kcal/day. The supposedly ideal diet will
have 55% of these calories as carbs.

That is 1540 calories of carbs. That calculates out to 385 grams of
carbs per day. Let's examine how much of various foodstuffs one would
have to eat in a day.

This is how much of each of these foods that would add up to close to
385 grams or 1540 calories:

whole fresh produce:
66 cups of cherry tomatoes, raw
350 cups shredded lettuce, raw
33 cups chopped carrots, raw
24 cups chopped onions, raw
350 cups spinach, raw
107 cups celery, raw
77 cups cauliflower, boiled drained with salt
74 cups asparagus, raw


Grains:
13 cups, yellow sweet corn
17.5 cups Special K Cereal
17.3 cups Cheerios
9.7 cups white flour pasta, cooked
10.3 cups whole grain pasta, cooked
25 slices of white bread
30 slices whole wheat bread
5.4 white flour bagels
5.8 commercially prepared blueberry muffins

other foods:
7.3 cans soda
15 cups apple juice
10.8 cups Passion-fruit juice
7.5 bananas

Very interesting numbers.

TC



2 Bananas 242 Calories 62g Carbs
3 Slice Whole Wheat Bread 300 Calories 66g Carbs
3 Cups Strawberries 156 Calories 39g Carbs
1 Cup Blueberries 82 Calories 21g carbs
3 jumbo raw eggs 270 Calories
2.25 Cups Whoe Grain Cereal 330 Calories 69g Carbs
5 Oz Fresh Whole Milk Mozzarella 350 Calories
1 cup raisins 520 Calories 124g Carbs
3oz Butter 300 Calories

Well I Run probably 25 miles a week and my typical daily diet above
with some other misc things only has 2550 calories which 60% come from
carbs the rest from healthy animal fats. I am 6'0" and weigh about
148 pounds which is what I have weighed for the last 18 years. Carbs
are not the issue but vegetables/vegetable oils, HFCS, processed food
etc.

What percentage of people would you think run 25 miles a week?

TC
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jt
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:44 pm    Post subject: Re: carbs close up Reply with quote

On 4 Jul 2006 09:14:29 -0700, "TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
Let's examine a typical relatively sedentary person of approx. 5' 10"
who will require approx. 2800 kcal/day. The supposedly ideal diet will
have 55% of these calories as carbs.

That is 1540 calories of carbs. That calculates out to 385 grams of
carbs per day. Let's examine how much of various foodstuffs one would
have to eat in a day.

This is how much of each of these foods that would add up to close to
385 grams or 1540 calories:

whole fresh produce:
66 cups of cherry tomatoes, raw
350 cups shredded lettuce, raw
33 cups chopped carrots, raw
24 cups chopped onions, raw
350 cups spinach, raw
107 cups celery, raw
77 cups cauliflower, boiled drained with salt
74 cups asparagus, raw


Grains:
13 cups, yellow sweet corn
17.5 cups Special K Cereal
17.3 cups Cheerios
9.7 cups white flour pasta, cooked
10.3 cups whole grain pasta, cooked
25 slices of white bread
30 slices whole wheat bread
5.4 white flour bagels
5.8 commercially prepared blueberry muffins

other foods:
7.3 cans soda
15 cups apple juice
10.8 cups Passion-fruit juice
7.5 bananas

Very interesting numbers.

TC



2 Bananas 242 Calories 62g Carbs
3 Slice Whole Wheat Bread 300 Calories 66g Carbs
3 Cups Strawberries 156 Calories 39g Carbs
1 Cup Blueberries 82 Calories 21g carbs
3 jumbo raw eggs 270 Calories
2.25 Cups Whoe Grain Cereal 330 Calories 69g Carbs
5 Oz Fresh Whole Milk Mozzarella 350 Calories
1 cup raisins 520 Calories 124g Carbs
3oz Butter 300 Calories

Well I Run probably 25 miles a week and my typical daily diet above
with some other misc things only has 2550 calories which 60% come from
carbs the rest from healthy animal fats. I am 6'0" and weigh about
148 pounds which is what I have weighed for the last 18 years. Carbs
are not the issue but vegetables/vegetable oils, HFCS, processed food
etc.
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TC
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:14 pm    Post subject: carbs close up Reply with quote

Let's examine a typical relatively sedentary person of approx. 5' 10"
who will require approx. 2800 kcal/day. The supposedly ideal diet will
have 55% of these calories as carbs.

That is 1540 calories of carbs. That calculates out to 385 grams of
carbs per day. Let's examine how much of various foodstuffs one would
have to eat in a day.

This is how much of each of these foods that would add up to close to
385 grams or 1540 calories:

whole fresh produce:
66 cups of cherry tomatoes, raw
350 cups shredded lettuce, raw
33 cups chopped carrots, raw
24 cups chopped onions, raw
350 cups spinach, raw
107 cups celery, raw
77 cups cauliflower, boiled drained with salt
74 cups asparagus, raw


Grains:
13 cups, yellow sweet corn
17.5 cups Special K Cereal
17.3 cups Cheerios
9.7 cups white flour pasta, cooked
10.3 cups whole grain pasta, cooked
25 slices of white bread
30 slices whole wheat bread
5.4 white flour bagels
5.8 commercially prepared blueberry muffins

other foods:
7.3 cans soda
15 cups apple juice
10.8 cups Passion-fruit juice
7.5 bananas

Very interesting numbers.

TC
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