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Mr-Natural-Health
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

Doug Freese wrote:

Quote:
comment: How can this man have any professional credibility as a
physician and surgeon if he dabbles in any form of showmanship and food
promotion? Either you are a doctor or you are a promoter and a
showmanship, you cannot be both.

Oh! I see. Either you are a mentally challenged physician who suffers
from bad memory problems, or you are a highly intelligent and gifted
showman?

Sorry, but Kellogg was both at the same time. Eat your heart out,
Geek!

Quote:
The man was a greeday bastard, and he was one of the first to
successfully sell crap as real food to unsuspecting ill people who
trusted him as a trained physician.

Oh! You must be talking about ALL the most famous and influential
people of his time period?

People like, John D. Rockefeller, Jr., J. C. Penney,
Ed Little (the Palmolive Soap executive), Mrs. Knox of gelatin fame,
John H. Patterson (National Cash Register Company), E. T. Welch (a
prosperous grape juice man), Arthur Capper (senator and wealthy
publisher), President of the International Harvester Company, Johnny
Weismuller, and Amelia Earhart.

Yeah, Right, Sure: ALL the most famous and influential people of his
time period were clearly either too poor or too stupid to know what
they were doing?

Quote:
He was a fraud from day one and his
memory shouild be kept alive so that people today can learn to
recognize quacks and frauds in the food and health industry.

Many of his treatment methods were highly effective during a time
period when antibiotics were simply not available. He preferred
holistic nursing techniques, over drug treatment methods.

A very common health problem during Kellogg's time period was dyspepsia
and biliousness because the masses generally ate a very bad diet. It
would be no exaggeration to state that Kellogg specialized in these
types of gastric disturbances. Thus, it is very reasonable to assume
that many of Kellogg's rules for Biologic Living were designed to
prevent these types of gastric problems.

In short, you are just the typical ignorant stuck up little Science
Geek who is fundamentally just a shitty person at heart.

Who says so? I do.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html
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Mr-Natural-Health
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

Doug Freese wrote:

Quote:
comment: How can this man have any professional credibility as a
physician and surgeon if he dabbles in any form of showmanship and food
promotion? Either you are a doctor or you are a promoter and a
showmanship, you cannot be both.

Oh! I see. Either you are a mentally challenged physician who suffers
from bad memory problems, or you are a highly intelligent and gifted
showman?

Sorry, but Kellogg was both at the same time. Eat your heart out,
Geek!

Quote:
The man was a greeday bastard, and he was one of the first to
successfully sell crap as real food to unsuspecting ill people who
trusted him as a trained physician.

Oh! You must be talking ALL the most famous and influential people of
his time period? People like, John D. Rockefeller, Jr., J. C. Penney,
Ed Little (the Palmolive Soap executive), Mrs. Knox of gelatin fame,
John H. Patterson (National Cash Register Company), E. T. Welch (a
prosperous grape juice man), Arthur Capper (senator and wealthy
publisher), President of the International Harvester Company, Johnny
Weismuller, and Amelia Earhart.

Yeah, Right, Sure: ALL the most famous and influential people of his
time period were clearly either too poor or too stupid to know what
they were doing?

Quote:
He was a fraud from day one and his
memory shouild be kept alive so that people today can learn to
recognize quacks and frauds in the food and health industry.

Many of treatment methods were highly effective during a time period
when antibiotics were not available. He preferred holistic nursing
techniques, over drug treatment methods.

A very common health problem during Kellogg's time period was dyspepsia
and biliousness because the masses generally ate a very bad diet. It
would be no exaggeration to state that Kellogg specialized in these
types of gastric disturbances. Thus, it is very reasonable to assume
that many of Kellogg's rules for Biologic Living were designed to
prevent these types of gastric problems.

In short, you are just the typical ignorant stuck up little Science
Geek who is fundamentally just a shitty person at heart.

Who says so? I do.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html
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TC
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

Doug Freese wrote:
Quote:
"TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152576793.753501.166490@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Instead of ad hominem, why don't you ever add something useful to a
conversation? Oh, I forgot, you aren't interested in actually adding
something to a conversation, you are above actually discussing facts.

Because every time someone gives some facts you scream conspiracy. It's
like talking to a 3 year old who's answer to everything is "because."
You are convinced the world is wrong and you are right. Doesn't that
sound a little eerie even to you?

-DF

Give facts? You've never given any facts. You've taken pot shots and
you'ev attacked me personally but I don't ever recall you presenting
any "facts".

TC
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Doug Freese
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:56 am    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

"TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Instead of ad hominem, why don't you ever add something useful to a
conversation? Oh, I forgot, you aren't interested in actually adding
something to a conversation, you are above actually discussing facts.

Because every time someone gives some facts you scream conspiracy. It's
like talking to a 3 year old who's answer to everything is "because."
You are convinced the world is wrong and you are right. Doesn't that
sound a little eerie even to you?

-DF
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cathyb
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:41 am    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

David Wright wrote:
Quote:
In article <%PJrg.26150$uy3.10177@tornado.socal.rr.com>,
Rich <joshew@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote in message
news:07oua2lcdfega74plgpk7g54l9pdri7asm@4ax.com...
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Jesus did NOT make fun.........EVER!

What a sad life it must have been as an apostle, hanging around with
someone who never cracked a joke. Is that why you don't understand
jokes, Jan?

One Sunday afternoon, when Jan's pastor is visiting her house for Sunday
dinner . . .

Pastor: "An athiest and a kangaroo walked into a bar, and . . ."

Jan: "That's a LIE!"

Oh, now this is getting spooky. A couple of days ago, it had occurred
to me that if Jan were to go see a standup comedian, and he started
out by saying something like "A man came up to me this morning and..."
she'd yell "No he didn't! There was no man! You're a LIAR and I'm
going to expose your LIES!"

Imagine Jan talking to Jesus.

As the Pharisees are muttering about him eating with sinners, Jesus
launches into the parable of the lost sheep--only to be interrupted by
Jan, screaming "Sheep are not the subject!! Snip diversion!"

Cathy

Quote:

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
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TC
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:13 am    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

Doug Freese wrote:
Quote:
"TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152538960.960223.288930@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Ad hominem always indicate a complete lack of arguable justification
for ones point of view.

And the intensity of your pathetically virulent attack shows that
you've finally understood just how completely wrong you.


And your conspiracy theory is better? Talk about the pot calling the
kettle black.

-DF

Instead of ad hominem, why don't you ever add something useful to a
conversation? Oh, I forgot, you aren't interested in actually adding
something to a conversation, you are above actually discussing facts.

Huh?

TC
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Doug Freese
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

"TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152538960.960223.288930@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
Ad hominem always indicate a complete lack of arguable justification
for ones point of view.

And the intensity of your pathetically virulent attack shows that
you've finally understood just how completely wrong you.


And your conspiracy theory is better? Talk about the pot calling the
kettle black.

-DF
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Mr-Natural-Health
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

X-No-Archive:yes

TC wrote:
Quote:
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
Doug Freese wrote:

"TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152023331.636828.191220@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...


comment: How can this man have any professional credibility as a
physician and surgeon if he dabbles in any form of showmanship and food
promotion? Either you are a doctor or you are a promoter and a
showmanship, you cannot be both.

The man was a greeday bastard, and he was one of the first to
successfully sell crap as real food to unsuspecting ill people who
trusted him as a trained physician. He was a fraud from day one and his
memory shouild be kept alive so that people today can learn to
recognize quacks and frauds in the food and health industry.

And, I will say that people with your attitude are nothing but
Slime-Buckets from day one. And, I do not mind saying so. :)

I just read a grin-and-bear commit about YOUR kind of scum written back
in 1859 by Florence Nightingale. It is as true today, as it was back
then.

Eat s**t and die freak. And, I don't mind saying so, Scum Bucket.

Cheers ... and have a nice death. :)

Ad hominem always indicate a complete lack of arguable justification
for ones point of view.

And the intensity of your pathetically virulent attack shows that
you've finally understood just how completely wrong you.

TC

????

That has got to be the most moronic comment that I have heard in a long
time.

TC, you are nothing, but a total buffoon who doesn't have a clue as to
what he is talking about. So, I am supposed to be all embarrassed by
this stupid reply of yours? And, waste more of my time pointing out
what should be painfully obviously to anybody half-way knowledgeable
about the subject? No, I do NOT think so. :)

So, in order to STOP wasting even more of my time cleaning up your dog
do-do; this reply of mine will henceforth be the ONLY one that you will
ever get out of me.

Get a life, and take a hike. And, I do NOT mind saying so. :)

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Mark Thorson
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

"Mr. Natural-Health" wrote:
Quote:

Can all of you A-Holes out there without a life kindly stay off my
thread?

The subject of this thread is "John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed
Father of Natural Health." If you have nothing to say about this
topic start a new thread someplace else, idiots.

Just thought that you might want to know, that I do NOT need Jesus
to condemn you all.

John, this is the Internet. You don't get to decide
what people say about you. If you can't handle that,
you shouldn't play with the big boys.
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TC
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
Quote:
Doug Freese wrote:

"TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152023331.636828.191220@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...


comment: How can this man have any professional credibility as a
physician and surgeon if he dabbles in any form of showmanship and food
promotion? Either you are a doctor or you are a promoter and a
showmanship, you cannot be both.

The man was a greeday bastard, and he was one of the first to
successfully sell crap as real food to unsuspecting ill people who
trusted him as a trained physician. He was a fraud from day one and his
memory shouild be kept alive so that people today can learn to
recognize quacks and frauds in the food and health industry.

And, I will say that people with your attitude are nothing but
Slime-Buckets from day one. And, I do not mind saying so. :)

I just read a grin-and-bear commit about YOUR kind of scum written back
in 1859 by Florence Nightingale. It is as true today, as it was back
then.

Eat s**t and die freak. And, I don't mind saying so, Scum Bucket.

Cheers ... and have a nice death. Smile

Ad hominem always indicate a complete lack of arguable justification
for ones point of view.

And the intensity of your pathetically virulent attack shows that
you've finally understood just how completely wrong you.

TC
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JohnDoe
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:

Quote:
nospam@aol.com wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:24:18 +0200, JohnDoe <none@ofyourbusiness.com> wrote:


Maybe she thinks of the story in the Bible with the bald guy, the
children who laughed at him and what God made the she-bears do to the
poor kids. Laughing can be a dangerous thing.

God didn't make the she-bears do anything. She-bears will be She-bears. They
did what comes naturally for she-bears.



Hey!

Can all of you A-Holes out there without a life kindly stay off my
thread?

The subject of this thread is "John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed
Father of Natural Health." If you have nothing to say about this topic
start a new thread someplace else, idiots.

Just thought that you might want to know, that I do NOT need Jesus to
condemn you all.

Poor John Gohde. He lost his teeth and his marbles and now he also lost
his thread.
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Mr-Natural-Health
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:04 am    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

nospam@aol.com wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:24:18 +0200, JohnDoe <none@ofyourbusiness.com> wrote:

Maybe she thinks of the story in the Bible with the bald guy, the
children who laughed at him and what God made the she-bears do to the
poor kids. Laughing can be a dangerous thing.

God didn't make the she-bears do anything. She-bears will be She-bears. They
did what comes naturally for she-bears.


Hey!

Can all of you A-Holes out there without a life kindly stay off my
thread?

The subject of this thread is "John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed
Father of Natural Health." If you have nothing to say about this topic
start a new thread someplace else, idiots.

Just thought that you might want to know, that I do NOT need Jesus to
condemn you all.
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nospam@aol.com
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:15 am    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:24:18 +0200, JohnDoe <none@ofyourbusiness.com> wrote:

Quote:
Maybe she thinks of the story in the Bible with the bald guy, the
children who laughed at him and what God made the she-bears do to the
poor kids. Laughing can be a dangerous thing.

God didn't make the she-bears do anything. She-bears will be She-bears. They
did what comes naturally for she-bears.

Ora
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:24 am    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

Peter Bowditch wrote:

Quote:
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
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"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
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"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Mr. Natural-Health wrote:

Mark Thorson wrote:

On the other hand, he also attacked coffee,
white sugar, white flour, meat, and spicy
foods.

He attacked alcohol, coffee, and tea. I would say despite the
so-called benefits of green tea any product that contains caffeine
will
be bad for your health. Caffeine has a number of negative health
effects, including but not limited to making you chronically anxious.

So?


He was against spicy foods. And, I say that he was mainly saying
that
anyone suffering from IBS should not eat spicy foods. And, he was
totally correct on that point.

Spicy foods do not cause IBS. Spicy foods will aggravate an existing
IBS situation. The cause of IBS inmost cases is grains, specifically
wheat with gluten. He was not correct on this point. He was dead wrong
in advocating human consumption of excessive amounts of grains. Get
this thru your thick neaderthal skull. KELLOGG WAS WRONG ABOUT THE
CAUSES AND THE TREATMENT OF IBS.


And, the ONLY negative thing that Kellogg really ever said against
meat
was that nobody should be eating disease ridden meat. Meat in his
day
was usually disease ridden and that is precisely why so many people
back then were bilious or suffering from IBS.

He advocated vegetarianism, which is WRONG. Humans need animal sourced
foods to achieve even a modicum of good health.

Wrong. You are eating seconded handed what you need.


So, you are totally ignorant of the concentrations of certain oils in
fish and ESSENTIAL amino acids in all meats.

No. Like I said..you are eating seconded handed.

GOOD plants feed on manure. SO?
Poor plants are not fed manure.


ALL Essential Amino Acids come from plants.

GOOD plants feed on manure.
NO plant or group of plants provides humans with all of the essential
amino acids, regardless of what you "religion" says.

My religion has nothing whatsoever to do with the facts.

They can be in combination of cereal grains ,wheat, corn, rice, and
legumes beans and nuts.


Humans were created (whether you assume God or Evolution) as omnivores.
Science says so.
The Jewish and "Christian" scriptures say so.

The scriptures say:

Eat EVERY thing.

NO they do not.

Jesus made fun of those who were selective. Maintenance of health in the
desert or in the Egyptian world of poisons is not general health.

Jesus did NOT make fun.........EVER!



What a sad life it must have been as an apostle, hanging around with
someone who never cracked a joke. Is that why you don't understand
jokes, Jan?

Maybe she thinks of the story in the Bible with the bald guy, the
children who laughed at him and what God made the she-bears do to the
poor kids. Laughing can be a dangerous thing.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 2:20 am    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Quote:

"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
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"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"vernon" <there@there> wrote in message
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On this diet, man lived to an average age of 912 years
without a
single recorded instance of sickness! It was not until after the flood,
when
man had grown so wicked that God regretted creating man and so destroyed
the
earth, that God gave permission for man to eat certain meats that were
to be
prepared in certain ways. In less that 10 generations on this type of
lifestyle, man's average age went from 912 to 100 years of age. Today
that
average is about 70!

Rather than trying to make all Christians look totally stupid, even about
scripture, get a real bible and read it.

Gen:1: 11Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing
plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to
their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation:
plants
bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in
it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of
all
the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding
seed;
to you it shall be for meat." Genesis 1:29.


"Thou shall eat the herb of the field." Genesis 3:18



The WORST thing you or an Atheist can do is LIE about what the bible says
and the context.

You ridicule Jesus and tell lies about Him.
You say God is a liar about man's expected age.
You say God (scripture) is a liar about pre-flood conditions.

You, you, you.

NOT. *I* did not say any of the above.

Educate yourself , Vern.

Ex: 20:16 Ex: 23:1

The bible (scripture is not a few verses).
God is not an idiot.
Jesus ate meat and fish. Jesus was no idiot.
Adam had two sons (probably more), one was a meat eater, one was a vegan.
The vegan killed the meat eater. If you haven't seen that, you need to go
back and get an education from scripture, not some idiot cult.
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