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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
Quote:
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html

John Harvey "Kellogg was a dynamo of human energy, a personification of
the work ethic, who needed only 4 to 5 hours of sleep a night, went
cycling or jogging every morning, dictated 25 to 50 letters a day,
adopted and reared 42 children, wrote nearly 50 books, edited a major
magazine, performed more than 22,000 operations, gave virtually all of
his money to charitable organizations, loved human service, generally
accomplished the work of ten active people, and lived in good health to
age 91."[2]

Kellogg is the most overlooked pioneer in the Wellness movement that
makes Weston Price look like a mere child in comparison.

Absolutely hilarious. I could not have written a funnier piece if I
tried. And the funniest thing is that the author wrote this in all
seriousness. Really.

Since the author is so completely clued out about how funny and
perverse the whole piece is, I will quote the author and add a few
comments along the way.

********

John Harvey Kellogg (February 26, 1852 - December 14, 1943)
physician, surgeon, a great showmen, health food promoter, and inventor
was a larger than life character in the wellness movement.

comment: How can this man have any professional credibility as a
physician and surgeon if he dabbles in any form of showmanship and food
promotion? Either you are a doctor or you are a promoter and a
showmanship, you cannot be both.

"Kellogg was a dynamo of human energy, a personification of the work
ethic, who needed only 4 to 5 hours of sleep a night,

**
comment: so what? who cares? How bright was he if he failed to grasp
the simple concept of getting proper rest?
**

went cycling or jogging every morning, dictated 25 to 50 letters a
day,

**
comment: pretty impressive. dictation is so exhausting.
**

adopted and reared 42 children, wrote nearly 50 books, edited a major
magazine,

**
quacks are usually known as prolific writers, they have to get their
nonsense out in a public arena somehow, and what "major" magazine was
this?
**

performed more than 22,000 operations, gave virtually all of his money
to charitable organizations, loved human service, generally
accomplished the work of ten active people, and lived in good health to
age 91."[2]

**
"accomplished the work of ten active people" eh? Are you sure it wasn't
ten active people? or maybe eleven active people? I guess we can round
it ot ten, it sound so much better than twelve point three five two
active people. We'll use ten.
**

John was born into a large devout Seventh-day Adventist family in
Tyrone. And, moved four years later in 1856 to Battle Creek, Michigan.
Adventists were strict vegetarians who believed in following Genesis
literally. He would soon embraced his religion's approach to healthy
living.

**
So his "scientific" beliefs actually came from a fundamental religious
belief system. Thought so.
**

After having worked for James and Ellen White, two of the founding
members of the Adventist Church, as a teenager he was selected by them
to become a real physician in order to give legitimacy to their views
on health.

**
He was selected to, and he elected to, become a "real" physician, not
to heal the world, but to give legitimacy to their views. Which means
that before he became a "real" physician, their "views" had little or
no legitimacy. And somehow his becoming a "real" physician in order to
give their views legitimacy was supposed to give them legitimacy.
Methinks he hath failed. And this is the beginning of medical frauds
posing as doctors to further the interests of radical fringe groups
and/or the food industry. That is quite the proud legacy this man has
left the world.
**

He initially studied medicine at the Hygeio-Therapeutic College, run by
Russell T. Trall. Then at the Michigan State Normal School (since 1959,
Eastern Michigan University). And finally graduated from the New York
University Medical College at Bellevue Hospital in 1875 with a degree
in medicine. His graduation thesis, "What is Disease?," clearly
reflected the natural hygiene beliefs of Russell Trall.

**
Two apparently legit colleges and one quake factory, and he adheres to
the quack factory beliefs for his theses. Talk about agenda driven
cultists.
**

Before graduating he started editing the Adventist's Health Reformer
newsletter in 1872, which had been operating since 1866. Upon
graduating from medical school, Kellogg begain working at the
Adventist's Health Reform Institute in Battle Creek, Michigan. He
became the superintendent of it in 1876 when he was only 24 years old.
And, immediately renamed it the Battle Creek Sanitarium (Sans) because
it was a place where people could learn how to stay well. Under his
direction, the Sans soon became a luxurious amusement center for the
rich and famous to visit. He, also, took over editorial control of the
Health Reformer and renamed it the Good Health magazine.

In 1890 Dr. Kellogg organized the Battle Creek Sanitarium Food Company.
And, the Sanitas Food Company in 1898.

In 1902 he rebuilt the Sans after it was completely destroyed by fire.

"In 1907, after protracted conflict, Dr. Kellogg broke his ties of
fifty years with the Adventist church; he retained control of the
Sanitarium and health food factory. The Sanitarium was in its heyday
from 1915-1930, but business was hurt by the Great Depression and it
went into receivership in 1933."[2]

**
Profit, the real motivation. That is so selfless of Kellogg to pursue
riches in spite of his religious beliefs.
**

The list of Kellogg's accomplishments seemingly can go on forever. He
was an accomplished surgeon and a member of many different medical
associations, including the AMA. He invented a number of instruments
and devices which he got 30 patents for, including the electric
blanket, the electric light bath and the universal dynamometer for
testing the strength of the muscles. Founded the American Medical
Missionary College and the Battle Creek College. Organized a School of
Home Economics as well as a School of Physical Education. And, made
seven trips abroad to further his medical education.

**
OMG, he was a member of the AMA. he must be legit. Bwah Ha ha .....
**

Who was John Harvey Kellogg?
Kellogg called his system of health biologic living. His health program
consisted principally of a grain-based vegetarian diet. Kellogg, also,
strongly opposed alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, sugar, condiments and
spices. Biologic living also advocated exercise, hydrotherapy, fresh
air and sunshine, good posture and dress. It had an unmistakable
connection to natural health due to its belief that lifestyle can
affect your longevity. And, because of Kellogg's marketing of health
foods. According to Kellogg the benefits of biologic living were
"health, comfort, efficiency, long life" and "good digestion, sound
sleep, a clear head, a placid mind, content and joy to be alive."[3]
Which largely parallels natural health's interest in the mind and in
stress reduction.

**
He also ranted against any sexual activity whatsoever except for the
sole purpose of procreation. He also ranted against any and all
enjoyable or stimulating activities whatsoever. He was also a sexual
deviant who obviously failed to follow his own advice.
**

Kellogg claimed to be a scientific physician who advocated scientific
feeding with an unwavering belief in the power of whole grain foods.
But, much of his ideas on biologic living were based upon the writings
of Seventh-day Adventist prophet Ellen White, who reportedly got her
inspirations from over 2,000 visions with god. Nevertheless, Kellogg
also strongly believed in conducting experiments.

**
Very well said... he "claimed" to be a scientific physician, when all
he was was a self promoter, a grain salesman, a religious zealot, and a
medical quack.
**

John Harvey Kellogg's list of health foods developed and marketed
included Granola (1877 a mixture of oatmeal and corn meal, baked into
biscuits, then ground to bits), peanut butter (1892), Granose (1894 a
flaked-wheat cereal), corn flakes (1897), caramel cereal coffee, and
Bulgarian yogurt. In addition, Kellogg developed America's first meat
analogs, and meat substitutes Protose and Nuttose, as well as the first
acidophilus soymilk

**
snake oil salesman, was he? That is what I've been telling you. These
products were not sold for health, they were sold as alleged health for
PROFIT.
**

Kellogg' Less Memorable Ideas
Kellogg, also, managed to achieved notoriety for his views on sex,
autointoxication which he believe was the source of most illness, his
use of a daily enema regimine at the Sans, and for his interests in
eugenics.

**
He had an anal fixation. He was a sexual deviant.
**

Authored Over 50 Books - Many of which are still in print.
1877 Plain facts for old and young - This book is often used to justify
totally ignoring Kellogg's place in history for his views on the evils
of sex. But, the book does manage to conclude with two chapters on
health related topics: General Health Hints and Quotes on Health.
1887 First Book in Physiology and Hygiene- Presents the laws of
healthful living, and the subjects of physiology, and hygiene to young
children.
1897 Pork or The Dangers of Pork-Eating Exposed, Booklet
19?? The Simple Life in a Nutshell - Booklet on 60 rules for Biologic
Living.
1903 Rational Hydrotherapy
1910 Light Therapeutics
1922 Autointoxication or Intestinal Toxemia
1916 Neurasthenia or Nervous Exhaustion, 2 pages
1922 Tobaccoism, or How Tobacco Kills - Kellogg's exposť on the
dangers of smoking tobacco was reprinted inAm J Public Health. 2002
Jun;92(6):932-4.
1923 Battle Creek Sanitarium Health Ladder, Columbia Records - A set of
five 78 rpm phonograph records that promoted a series of twenty
physical exercises that was accompanied with a 50 page booklet. Music
was used as a means to reduce the boredom of the physical exercises.
1927 The New Dietetics
1928 Habits in Relation to Longevity, 15 pages
1929 Art of Massage
1930 The Biologic Life: Rules for "Right Living," 30 pages
1932 How to have good health: Through biologic living
Organizations that are carrying on the work started by John Harvey
Kellogg
Lifestyle Laboratory - A web site that at least talks abut the health
principles of Biologic Living.
References
John Harvey Kellogg, M.D., by Richard W. Schwarz, Andrews University
Press, Berrien Springs, MI, 1981.
William Shurtleff and Akiko Aoyagi, Dr. John Harvey Kellogg and Battle
Creek Foods: Work with Soy, Unpublished Manuscript
John Harvey Kellogg, The Simple Life in a Nutshell, 19??.

********

The man was a greeday bastard, and he was one of the first to
successfully sell crap as real food to unsuspecting ill people who
trusted him as a trained physician. He was a fraud from day one and his
memory shouild be kept alive so that people today can learn to
recognize quacks and frauds in the food and health industry.

TC
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

It actually makes sense tha Gohdiot the modern "Natural Health" nut
would absolutely be in love with Kellogg the originator of the whole
field of "Natural Health". Kellogg found quack science to support his
religious beliefs and to make money, and Gohdiot today religiously
follows the quackery to support his personal beliefs regardless of any
scientific support.

They complement each other so well.

We can all sit back and revel in the whole yin-yang of it all. Quackery
begets quacks and quacks beget quackery and never the twain shall meet.

TC


TC wrote:
Quote:
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html

John Harvey "Kellogg was a dynamo of human energy, a personification of
the work ethic, who needed only 4 to 5 hours of sleep a night, went
cycling or jogging every morning, dictated 25 to 50 letters a day,
adopted and reared 42 children, wrote nearly 50 books, edited a major
magazine, performed more than 22,000 operations, gave virtually all of
his money to charitable organizations, loved human service, generally
accomplished the work of ten active people, and lived in good health to
age 91."[2]

Kellogg is the most overlooked pioneer in the Wellness movement that
makes Weston Price look like a mere child in comparison.

Absolutely hilarious. I could not have written a funnier piece if I
tried. And the funniest thing is that the author wrote this in all
seriousness. Really.

Since the author is so completely clued out about how funny and
perverse the whole piece is, I will quote the author and add a few
comments along the way.

********

John Harvey Kellogg (February 26, 1852 - December 14, 1943)
physician, surgeon, a great showmen, health food promoter, and inventor
was a larger than life character in the wellness movement.

comment: How can this man have any professional credibility as a
physician and surgeon if he dabbles in any form of showmanship and food
promotion? Either you are a doctor or you are a promoter and a
showmanship, you cannot be both.

"Kellogg was a dynamo of human energy, a personification of the work
ethic, who needed only 4 to 5 hours of sleep a night,

**
comment: so what? who cares? How bright was he if he failed to grasp
the simple concept of getting proper rest?
**

went cycling or jogging every morning, dictated 25 to 50 letters a
day,

**
comment: pretty impressive. dictation is so exhausting.
**

adopted and reared 42 children, wrote nearly 50 books, edited a major
magazine,

**
quacks are usually known as prolific writers, they have to get their
nonsense out in a public arena somehow, and what "major" magazine was
this?
**

performed more than 22,000 operations, gave virtually all of his money
to charitable organizations, loved human service, generally
accomplished the work of ten active people, and lived in good health to
age 91."[2]

**
"accomplished the work of ten active people" eh? Are you sure it wasn't
ten active people? or maybe eleven active people? I guess we can round
it ot ten, it sound so much better than twelve point three five two
active people. We'll use ten.
**

John was born into a large devout Seventh-day Adventist family in
Tyrone. And, moved four years later in 1856 to Battle Creek, Michigan.
Adventists were strict vegetarians who believed in following Genesis
literally. He would soon embraced his religion's approach to healthy
living.

**
So his "scientific" beliefs actually came from a fundamental religious
belief system. Thought so.
**

After having worked for James and Ellen White, two of the founding
members of the Adventist Church, as a teenager he was selected by them
to become a real physician in order to give legitimacy to their views
on health.

**
He was selected to, and he elected to, become a "real" physician, not
to heal the world, but to give legitimacy to their views. Which means
that before he became a "real" physician, their "views" had little or
no legitimacy. And somehow his becoming a "real" physician in order to
give their views legitimacy was supposed to give them legitimacy.
Methinks he hath failed. And this is the beginning of medical frauds
posing as doctors to further the interests of radical fringe groups
and/or the food industry. That is quite the proud legacy this man has
left the world.
**

He initially studied medicine at the Hygeio-Therapeutic College, run by
Russell T. Trall. Then at the Michigan State Normal School (since 1959,
Eastern Michigan University). And finally graduated from the New York
University Medical College at Bellevue Hospital in 1875 with a degree
in medicine. His graduation thesis, "What is Disease?," clearly
reflected the natural hygiene beliefs of Russell Trall.

**
Two apparently legit colleges and one quake factory, and he adheres to
the quack factory beliefs for his theses. Talk about agenda driven
cultists.
**

Before graduating he started editing the Adventist's Health Reformer
newsletter in 1872, which had been operating since 1866. Upon
graduating from medical school, Kellogg begain working at the
Adventist's Health Reform Institute in Battle Creek, Michigan. He
became the superintendent of it in 1876 when he was only 24 years old.
And, immediately renamed it the Battle Creek Sanitarium (Sans) because
it was a place where people could learn how to stay well. Under his
direction, the Sans soon became a luxurious amusement center for the
rich and famous to visit. He, also, took over editorial control of the
Health Reformer and renamed it the Good Health magazine.

In 1890 Dr. Kellogg organized the Battle Creek Sanitarium Food Company.
And, the Sanitas Food Company in 1898.

In 1902 he rebuilt the Sans after it was completely destroyed by fire.

"In 1907, after protracted conflict, Dr. Kellogg broke his ties of
fifty years with the Adventist church; he retained control of the
Sanitarium and health food factory. The Sanitarium was in its heyday
from 1915-1930, but business was hurt by the Great Depression and it
went into receivership in 1933."[2]

**
Profit, the real motivation. That is so selfless of Kellogg to pursue
riches in spite of his religious beliefs.
**

The list of Kellogg's accomplishments seemingly can go on forever. He
was an accomplished surgeon and a member of many different medical
associations, including the AMA. He invented a number of instruments
and devices which he got 30 patents for, including the electric
blanket, the electric light bath and the universal dynamometer for
testing the strength of the muscles. Founded the American Medical
Missionary College and the Battle Creek College. Organized a School of
Home Economics as well as a School of Physical Education. And, made
seven trips abroad to further his medical education.

**
OMG, he was a member of the AMA. he must be legit. Bwah Ha ha .....
**

Who was John Harvey Kellogg?
Kellogg called his system of health biologic living. His health program
consisted principally of a grain-based vegetarian diet. Kellogg, also,
strongly opposed alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, sugar, condiments and
spices. Biologic living also advocated exercise, hydrotherapy, fresh
air and sunshine, good posture and dress. It had an unmistakable
connection to natural health due to its belief that lifestyle can
affect your longevity. And, because of Kellogg's marketing of health
foods. According to Kellogg the benefits of biologic living were
"health, comfort, efficiency, long life" and "good digestion, sound
sleep, a clear head, a placid mind, content and joy to be alive."[3]
Which largely parallels natural health's interest in the mind and in
stress reduction.

**
He also ranted against any sexual activity whatsoever except for the
sole purpose of procreation. He also ranted against any and all
enjoyable or stimulating activities whatsoever. He was also a sexual
deviant who obviously failed to follow his own advice.
**

Kellogg claimed to be a scientific physician who advocated scientific
feeding with an unwavering belief in the power of whole grain foods.
But, much of his ideas on biologic living were based upon the writings
of Seventh-day Adventist prophet Ellen White, who reportedly got her
inspirations from over 2,000 visions with god. Nevertheless, Kellogg
also strongly believed in conducting experiments.

**
Very well said... he "claimed" to be a scientific physician, when all
he was was a self promoter, a grain salesman, a religious zealot, and a
medical quack.
**

John Harvey Kellogg's list of health foods developed and marketed
included Granola (1877 a mixture of oatmeal and corn meal, baked into
biscuits, then ground to bits), peanut butter (1892), Granose (1894 a
flaked-wheat cereal), corn flakes (1897), caramel cereal coffee, and
Bulgarian yogurt. In addition, Kellogg developed America's first meat
analogs, and meat substitutes Protose and Nuttose, as well as the first
acidophilus soymilk

**
snake oil salesman, was he? That is what I've been telling you. These
products were not sold for health, they were sold as alleged health for
PROFIT.
**

Kellogg' Less Memorable Ideas
Kellogg, also, managed to achieved notoriety for his views on sex,
autointoxication which he believe was the source of most illness, his
use of a daily enema regimine at the Sans, and for his interests in
eugenics.

**
He had an anal fixation. He was a sexual deviant.
**

Authored Over 50 Books - Many of which are still in print.
1877 Plain facts for old and young - This book is often used to justify
totally ignoring Kellogg's place in history for his views on the evils
of sex. But, the book does manage to conclude with two chapters on
health related topics: General Health Hints and Quotes on Health.
1887 First Book in Physiology and Hygiene- Presents the laws of
healthful living, and the subjects of physiology, and hygiene to young
children.
1897 Pork or The Dangers of Pork-Eating Exposed, Booklet
19?? The Simple Life in a Nutshell - Booklet on 60 rules for Biologic
Living.
1903 Rational Hydrotherapy
1910 Light Therapeutics
1922 Autointoxication or Intestinal Toxemia
1916 Neurasthenia or Nervous Exhaustion, 2 pages
1922 Tobaccoism, or How Tobacco Kills - Kellogg's exposť on the
dangers of smoking tobacco was reprinted inAm J Public Health. 2002
Jun;92(6):932-4.
1923 Battle Creek Sanitarium Health Ladder, Columbia Records - A set of
five 78 rpm phonograph records that promoted a series of twenty
physical exercises that was accompanied with a 50 page booklet. Music
was used as a means to reduce the boredom of the physical exercises.
1927 The New Dietetics
1928 Habits in Relation to Longevity, 15 pages
1929 Art of Massage
1930 The Biologic Life: Rules for "Right Living," 30 pages
1932 How to have good health: Through biologic living
Organizations that are carrying on the work started by John Harvey
Kellogg
Lifestyle Laboratory - A web site that at least talks abut the health
principles of Biologic Living.
References
John Harvey Kellogg, M.D., by Richard W. Schwarz, Andrews University
Press, Berrien Springs, MI, 1981.
William Shurtleff and Akiko Aoyagi, Dr. John Harvey Kellogg and Battle
Creek Foods: Work with Soy, Unpublished Manuscript
John Harvey Kellogg, The Simple Life in a Nutshell, 19??.

********

The man was a greeday bastard, and he was one of the first to
successfully sell crap as real food to unsuspecting ill people who
trusted him as a trained physician. He was a fraud from day one and his
memory shouild be kept alive so that people today can learn to
recognize quacks and frauds in the food and health industry.

TC
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

Quote:
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html

John Harvey "Kellogg was a dynamo of human energy, a personification of
the work ethic, who needed only 4 to 5 hours of sleep a night, went
cycling or jogging every morning, dictated 25 to 50 letters a day,
adopted and reared 42 children, wrote nearly 50 books, edited a major
magazine, performed more than 22,000 operations, gave virtually all of
his money to charitable organizations, loved human service, generally
accomplished the work of ten active people, and lived in good health to
age 91."[2]

Kellogg is the most overlooked pioneer in the Wellness movement that
makes Weston Price look like a mere child in comparison.

This web page contains to the full text of several books / booklets
written by this human dynamo.

This web page of mine, was updated to include a section called: Was
Kellogg Right?

As far as I am concerned, it is ulterly amazing just how right on John
Harvey Kellogg was.

Kellogg was probably the most misunderstood Wellness pioneer in
America.

For instance, Kellogg was in fact actually against the routine use of
enemas. To prove my contention, I can quote from the very same book
cited by TC. :)

Look at the very bottom of this page, which is chapter 25. Starting on
page 650 ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/post?hl=en&inreplyto=51a8404e07923624&reply_to=group&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fsci.med.nutrition%2Fbrowse_thread%2Fthread%2Fe9af7d61973452e7%2F%3Fhl%3Den%26&
Kellogg carries on against enemas for several paragraphs, and concludes
with.

"For a healthy person, then, to adopt the employment of this so-called
"secret," is to invite disease, and produce a condition of chronic
constipation and absolute dependence upon some mechanical means of
evacuation of the bowels. One can scarcely believe that any
well-informed man would undertake to impose upon an intelligent public
so absurd a notion, and one is compelled to consider the self-styled
philanthropist who claims to have made this wonderful discovery, as
suffering from mental deterioration, or as deliberately perpetrating a
fraud upon the public."

Kellogg's so-called love for enemas was obviously a total
misreprestenation of the facts.

Kellogg is probably the most misunderstood Wellness pioneer in America,
who wrote time and time again against high-protein diets.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

Hyperlink Correction

Quote:
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html

John Harvey "Kellogg was a dynamo of human energy, a personification of
the work ethic, who needed only 4 to 5 hours of sleep a night, went
cycling or jogging every morning, dictated 25 to 50 letters a day,
adopted and reared 42 children, wrote nearly 50 books, edited a major
magazine, performed more than 22,000 operations, gave virtually all of
his money to charitable organizations, loved human service, generally
accomplished the work of ten active people, and lived in good health to
age 91."[2]

Kellogg is the most overlooked pioneer in the Wellness movement that
makes Weston Price look like a mere child in comparison.

This web page contains to the full text of several books / booklets
written by this human dynamo.

This web page of mine, was updated to include a section called: Was
Kellogg Right?

As far as I am concerned, it is ulterly amazing just how right on John
Harvey Kellogg was.

Kellogg was probably the most misunderstood Wellness pioneer in
America.

For instance, Kellogg was in fact actually against the routine use of
enemas. To prove my contention, I can quote from the very same book
cited by TC. :)

Look at the very bottom of this page, which is chapter 25. Starting on
page 650 ...
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=KelPlai.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=25&division=div1
Kellogg carries on against enemas for several paragraphs, and concludes
with.

"For a healthy person, then, to adopt the employment of this so-called
"secret," is to invite disease, and produce a condition of chronic
constipation and absolute dependence upon some mechanical means of
evacuation of the bowels. One can scarcely believe that any
well-informed man would undertake to impose upon an intelligent public
so absurd a notion, and one is compelled to consider the self-styled
philanthropist who claims to have made this wonderful discovery, as
suffering from mental deterioration, or as deliberately perpetrating a
fraud upon the public."

Kellogg's so-called love for enemas was obviously a total
misreprestenation of the facts.

Kellogg is probably the most misunderstood Wellness pioneer in America,
who wrote time and time again against high-protein diets.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

Doc John wrote:
Quote:
Hyperlink Correction

http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html

John Harvey "Kellogg was a dynamo of human energy, a personification of
the work ethic, who needed only 4 to 5 hours of sleep a night, went
cycling or jogging every morning, dictated 25 to 50 letters a day,
adopted and reared 42 children, wrote nearly 50 books, edited a major
magazine, performed more than 22,000 operations, gave virtually all of
his money to charitable organizations, loved human service, generally
accomplished the work of ten active people, and lived in good health to
age 91."[2]

Kellogg is the most overlooked pioneer in the Wellness movement that
makes Weston Price look like a mere child in comparison.

This web page contains to the full text of several books / booklets
written by this human dynamo.

This web page of mine, was updated to include a section called: Was
Kellogg Right?

Updated to correct an error? Where would you start to correct the
errors? The entire web site is one collosal error.

Quote:

As far as I am concerned, it is ulterly amazing just how right on John
Harvey Kellogg was.

Right on figuring out how to fleece sick patients for profits? Or right
on how to make profits from selling cheap grains as human foods? Or
right in how to defraud people by pretending to be a physician when all
you intend is to propagate a religious view?

Quote:

Kellogg was probably the most misunderstood Wellness pioneer in
America.

He was misunderstood in the sense that people actually believed him to
be a competent physican and a nutritional expert. Today he is
understood to be a fraud and a quack and a profit-seeking grain
merchant.

Quote:

For instance, Kellogg was in fact actually against the routine use of
enemas. To prove my contention, I can quote from the very same book
cited by TC. Smile

I referenced that book to claerly illustrate just what a quack he was.
For you to suggest that I might have referenced that book to support
Kellogg's nonsense shows just how far you are ready to go to twist
others words around to support your nonsense. Anyone who reads that
book will get a perfectly clear understanding of just how idiotic
Kellogg's writing were.


Quote:

Look at the very bottom of this page, which is chapter 25. Starting on
page 650 ...
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=KelPlai.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=25&division=div1
Kellogg carries on against enemas for several paragraphs, and concludes
with.

"For a healthy person, then, to adopt the employment of this so-called
"secret," is to invite disease, and produce a condition of chronic
constipation and absolute dependence upon some mechanical means of
evacuation of the bowels. One can scarcely believe that any
well-informed man would undertake to impose upon an intelligent public
so absurd a notion, and one is compelled to consider the self-styled
philanthropist who claims to have made this wonderful discovery, as
suffering from mental deterioration, or as deliberately perpetrating a
fraud upon the public."

Kellogg's so-called love for enemas was obviously a total
misreprestenation of the facts.

He did go thru a phase where he wholeheartedly prescribed enemas for
all kinds of ailments including even mental issues like anxiety and
depression. And he kept the money that he was paid to provide these
"treatments".

Quote:

Kellogg is probably the most misunderstood Wellness pioneer in America,
who wrote time and time again against high-protein diets.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html

He is well understood. He was a quack, a fraud, a profit-seeking
grain-merchant and a religious zealot.

TC
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

Quote:
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html

John Harvey "Kellogg was a dynamo of human energy, a personification of
the work ethic, who needed only 4 to 5 hours of sleep a night, went
cycling or jogging every morning, dictated 25 to 50 letters a day,
adopted and reared 42 children, wrote nearly 50 books, edited a major
magazine, performed more than 22,000 operations, gave virtually all of
his money to charitable organizations, loved human service, generally
accomplished the work of ten active people, and lived in good health to
age 91."[2]

Kellogg is the most overlooked pioneer in the Wellness movement that
makes Weston Price look like a mere child in comparison.

This web page contains hyperlinks to the full text of several books / booklets
written by this human dynamo.

Seem clear enough to me. Perhaps, if you were to concentrate?

John Harvey Kellogg is on the record for having opposed the routine use
of enemas.

Starting on page 650 ...
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=KelPlai.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=25&division=div1
Kellogg carries on against enemas for several paragraphs, and concludes
with.

"For a healthy person, then, to adopt the employment of this so-called
"secret," is to invite disease, and produce a condition of chronic
constipation and absolute dependence upon some mechanical means of
evacuation of the bowels. One can scarcely believe that any
well-informed man would undertake to impose upon an intelligent public
so absurd a notion, and one is compelled to consider the self-styled
philanthropist who claims to have made this wonderful discovery, as
suffering from mental deterioration, or as deliberately perpetrating a
fraud upon the public."

Kellogg's so-called love for enemas was obviously a total
misrepresentation of the facts.

Kellogg is probably the most misunderstood Wellness pioneer in America,
who wrote time and time again against high-protein diets.

Obviously, Kellogg's therapeutic use of enemas at the Sans was
misrepresented by fools like you who had absolutely no idea of what
they were talking about to be something that it clearly was not. Who
knows? Maybe a lot of people who went to the Sans were constipated?
The above quote, clearly proves that Kellogg was in fact against the
routine use of enemas, contrary to popular opinion.

I have news for you TC, the consumption of yogurt is widely used today
to establish the correct intestinal flora. AND, scientific research has
clearly established that some forms of IBS is caused by excess bacteria
in the small intestines. So, Kellogg was around 100 years ahead of his
time.

Yeah, Kellogg was against the consumption of meat purchased from
unregulated slaughter houses. Sounds like a good idea to me.

Yeah, Kellogg stressed indigestion. So, what? Maybe Kellogg had
something there? People like Montygram who clearly have indigestion
problems sure as heck like to complain a lot.

Your basic problem TC is that you don't have a clue as to what you are
doing.

I will take Kellogg over Weston Price, the Quack Dentist, any day of
the week.

Who says so? I do.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
Quote:
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html

John Harvey "Kellogg was a dynamo of human energy, a personification of
the work ethic, who needed only 4 to 5 hours of sleep a night, went
cycling or jogging every morning, dictated 25 to 50 letters a day,
adopted and reared 42 children, wrote nearly 50 books, edited a major
magazine, performed more than 22,000 operations, gave virtually all of
his money to charitable organizations, loved human service, generally
accomplished the work of ten active people, and lived in good health to
age 91."[2]

Kellogg is the most overlooked pioneer in the Wellness movement that
makes Weston Price look like a mere child in comparison.

This web page contains hyperlinks to the full text of several books / booklets
written by this human dynamo.

Seem clear enough to me. Perhaps, if you were to concentrate?

John Harvey Kellogg is on the record for having opposed the routine use
of enemas.

Starting on page 650 ...
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=KelPlai.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=25&division=div1
Kellogg carries on against enemas for several paragraphs, and concludes
with.

"For a healthy person, then, to adopt the employment of this so-called
"secret," is to invite disease, and produce a condition of chronic
constipation and absolute dependence upon some mechanical means of
evacuation of the bowels. One can scarcely believe that any
well-informed man would undertake to impose upon an intelligent public
so absurd a notion, and one is compelled to consider the self-styled
philanthropist who claims to have made this wonderful discovery, as
suffering from mental deterioration, or as deliberately perpetrating a
fraud upon the public."

Kellogg's so-called love for enemas was obviously a total
misrepresentation of the facts.

Kellogg is probably the most misunderstood Wellness pioneer in America,
who wrote time and time again against high-protein diets.

Obviously, Kellogg's therapeutic use of enemas at the Sans was
misrepresented by fools like you who had absolutely no idea of what
they were talking about to be something that it clearly was not. Who
knows? Maybe a lot of people who went to the Sans were constipated?
The above quote, clearly proves that Kellogg was in fact against the
routine use of enemas, contrary to popular opinion.

I have news for you TC, the consumption of yogurt is widely used today
to establish the correct intestinal flora. AND, scientific research has
clearly established that some forms of IBS is caused by excess bacteria
in the small intestines. So, Kellogg was around 100 years ahead of his
time.

Yeah, Kellogg was against the consumption of meat purchased from
unregulated slaughter houses. Sounds like a good idea to me.

Yeah, Kellogg stressed indigestion. So, what? Maybe Kellogg had
something there? People like Montygram who clearly have indigestion
problems sure as heck like to complain a lot.

Your basic problem TC is that you don't have a clue as to what you are
doing.



Quote:
I will take Kellogg over Weston Price, the Quack Dentist, any day of
the week.

Right there. Listen.... do you hear that sound? That is the sound of
the world laughing their asses off at Mr Natural Health, the best known
toothless brain-damaged banana consumer in the world. You are such a
joke. And the world is laughing/
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html

John Harvey "Kellogg was a dynamo of human energy, a personification of
the work ethic, who needed only 4 to 5 hours of sleep a night, went
cycling or jogging every morning, dictated 25 to 50 letters a day,
adopted and reared 42 children, wrote nearly 50 books, edited a major
magazine, performed more than 22,000 operations, gave virtually all of
his money to charitable organizations, loved human service, generally
accomplished the work of ten active people, and lived in good health to
age 91."[2]

Kellogg is the most overlooked pioneer in the Wellness movement that
makes Weston Price look like a mere child in comparison.

This web page contains hyperlinks to the full text of several books /
booklets written by this human dynamo. As well, as a section entitled:
"Was Kellogg Right?"
--
John Gohde,
Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:36 am    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html
For those of you, who are NOT put off by a historical presentation of
the facts, the historical development of natural health can be
summarized as follows.

Natural health was a global movement that first took place during the
turn of the 20th century. The Seventh-day Adventist Church was the
organization that provided the manpower for this movement. In other
words, natural health developed out of the secularization of the health
views of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Secularized Seventh-day
Adventists were responsible for starting health resorts, natural health
food stores and restaurants in very large numbers. One example would be
Jack LaLanne who was connected to the natural health movement because
his mother became a Seventh-day Adventist. And, Jack LaLanne ate an
Adventist health diet during his middle to late teen years after having
been converted by Paul Bragg.

The key figure in this movement was John Harvey Kellogg by way of his
rules for biologic living and for the Battle Creek Sanitarium. Kellogg
made a clean break from the church in 1907. Key here is Kellogg's very
definition of the Sans as a place where people could go to learn how to
STAY healthy. Today, the Sans would have been renamed the Battle Creek
Wellness Center.

Kellogg's interest in autointoxication and enemas was adapted by 20th
century natural hygienists as a misrepresentation of Kellogg's
position. A key figure of this natural hygiene movement is Paul Bragg
as well as Shelton, of course. The natural health movement had no
interest in enemas other than the fact that they represented just
another health product that could be marketed.

Kellogg's interest in autointoxication and enemas came from two things.
The newly emerging biomedicine obsession with fighting germs and from
the fact that meat slaughter houses were not regulated for health and
safety during much of Kellogg's time period.

Both Jack LaLanne and Paul Bragg were connected to John Harvey Kellogg
by way of the trite saying: "What we eat today will be walking about
and talking tomorrow." All three of these persons are on the record
for saying this. This motto was first developed by Kellogg somewhere
between 1890 and 1910 as part of his rules for biologic living. Which
was picked up by Bragg, and then later by LaLanne.

Paul Bragg received his inspiration from John Harvey Kellogg and
maintained an interest in enemas. Paul Bragg inspired Jack LaLanne,
who dropped Bragg's interest in enemas but maintained and the developed
the Seventh-day Adventists diet of his mother.

John Harvey Kellogg adopted the newly emerging discoveries of vitamins
during the World War I period and incorporated their existence into his
rules for biologic living. Interest in vitamins and other marketable
health products would eventually take over the natural health movement
to divert most of its interests away from wellness centers to the
widespread marketing of natural health as a product that can be
purchased.

Scientific research would eventually document the Seventh-day Adventist
Church health diet as a true and effective longevity diet. A fact, I
might add, that is virtually ignored by the Kooks on smn. Want a true
longevity diet? Then I suggest that you start looking at the
Seventh-day Adventists: The original natural health people.

That is the historical development of natural health, in a 'nut shell,'
for those of you who are mature enough to handle the truth.
--
john gohde
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:34 am    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

I can't remember any time when I've felt any
reason to defend a position taken by John
Gohde, but this may be the first exception.

I don't agree with everything in Gohde's
essay, but at the same time I don't feel
he's gone far wrong. The biggest disagreement
I have is that he gives too much credit to
the Seventh Day Adventists as the origin
of the natural health movement in the U.S.
While JHK was certainly the most important
and influential figure in that movement
during its origins in the 19th century with
echoes that continue strongly today, there
would have been such a movement even if the
SDA church and JHK had never existed. But
the 20th century history of this movement
and the present situation would be
much different without JHK's contribution.

First, I would express the opinion that
JHK was not a quack in any sense of the word.
By the standards of his time, his practice
of medicine was not at all quackery. Some
of the therapies which he advocated
would certainly be quackery if practiced
in our time, but they were reasonable (if
unproven) during his time -- as they must
have been because most of his career preceded
modern scientific methods for proving the
value of a therapy.

He attacked methods that were reasonably
labelled as quackery by the science of his
time, such as homeopathy. He recognized
that it hade no reasonable mechanistic
basis.

He could rightly be called a "maverick"
in the sense that he pursued speculative
medical theories and applied them. In that
regard, he could be compared to somebody like
Andrew Weil today. But I certainly would not
compare him to somebody like Deepack Chopra,
Hulda Clark, or Mercola. If we could somehow
transport him from his time to today and give
him a few weeks in a good med school library
to come up to speed on present knowledge, he
would attack those people with the same vigor
as Dr. Barrett.

Some of his theories have been fully borne
out since his time. For example, he was one
of the early crusaders against tobacco.
Long before hard scientific evidence became
available, he was campaigning against tobacco
and defending himself against lawsuits over his
claim that smoking tobacco caused lung cancer.

On the other hand, he also attacked coffee,
white sugar, white flour, meat, and spicy
foods. At least with regard to white flour,
it's true that in the 19th century it lacked
important vitamins which caused diseases of
deficiency that were not remedied until the
20th century when B-vitamins were discovered
and legislation was passed requiring the
enrichment of white flour with these vitamins.

While his SDA background influenced his theories,
only his vegetarianism was directly the result
of his religious views. The SDA church did
guide his career toward his most influential
position, as superintendent of the Battle Creek
Sanitarium. However, it should be pointed out
that his father was a major financial backer
of the early years of the SDA movement. The
SDA received much more from the Kellogs than
it gave. It is true that he was sent to get
the best medical education with the intent that
he would become involved with operation of the San,
but he made good use of that opportunity and led
the San to far higher peaks than it would have
accomplished without him.

He advocated therapies that today have no place
in medicine, such as phototherapy, fresh air
therapy, etc. Probably the worst legacy of
his influence is the practice of colon cleansing.
He didn't invent it, but he was its strongest
advocate in the U.S. during the last part of the
19th century and the first part of the 20th
century. It would not be as widely practiced
in the U.S. today without his influence.

On the other hand, he played an important role
in the development of modern dietetics and
nutritional science. His student Lenna Francis
Cooper in the second edition of her book _The_
_New_Cookery_ (published by one of JHK's companies)
was the very first cookbook to include nutritional
information (calorie count, fat content, protein
content, etc.) for every recipe in the book.
Cooper was also one the founders of the American
Dietetic Association, the professional organization
for dieticians in the U.S. today.

There was a movie a few years ago _The_Road_To_
_Wellville_ which was largely based on JHK's
charismatic personality and the history of the San.
It's an okay or good movie, but not a great one.
The plot is based on a reasonable adaptation
of real history, I don't fault the selection
of actors, the costumes were first rate,
and the set design was extraordinarily good.
Often, I couldn't tell whether a prop was an
actual period antique or a copy. Even the
electrical wiring and the fixtures on the walls
looked 100% authentic to me. (In fact, I think
I recognize which period book may have been used
as a source reference for guiding the set design.)

One critical review of the movie attacked it for
the emphasis on frequent colon cleanisng. I did
not find that aspect of the movie the least bit
unfaithful to practices at the San. I'm probably
one of the few people who watched that movie who
marvelled at how accurately it was done technically,
even if it wasn't that great as a movie.

Overall, JHK's legacy is a good one. He stimulated
the development of modern nutritional science much
earlier than it would have occurred without him,
His advocacy of therapies we know know to be worthless
is regrettable, but lesser in importance than his
positive contributions.

If we were to search for a 19th century advocate
of therapies that might warrant revival (or at
least scientific testing), I would suggest
reviewing the work of S. Weir-Mitchell.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:41 am    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

"Mark Thorson" <nospam@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:44AC76C9.6B2C2763@sonic.net...
Quote:
I can't remember any time when I've felt any
reason to defend a position taken by John
Gohde, but this may be the first exception.

I don't agree with everything in Gohde's
essay, but at the same time I don't feel
he's gone far wrong. The biggest disagreement
I have is that he gives too much credit to
the Seventh Day Adventists as the origin
of the natural health movement in the U.S.
While JHK was certainly the most important
and influential figure in that movement
during its origins in the 19th century with
echoes that continue strongly today, there
would have been such a movement even if the
SDA church and JHK had never existed. But
the 20th century history of this movement
and the present situation would be
much different without JHK's contribution.

First, I would express the opinion that
JHK was not a quack in any sense of the word.
By the standards of his time, his practice
of medicine was not at all quackery. Some
of the therapies which he advocated
would certainly be quackery if practiced
in our time, but they were reasonable (if
unproven) during his time -- as they must
have been because most of his career preceded
modern scientific methods for proving the
value of a therapy.

He attacked methods that were reasonably
labelled as quackery by the science of his
time, such as homeopathy. He recognized
that it hade no reasonable mechanistic
basis.

He could rightly be called a "maverick"
in the sense that he pursued speculative
medical theories and applied them. In that
regard, he could be compared to somebody like
Andrew Weil today. But I certainly would not
compare him to somebody like Deepack Chopra,
Hulda Clark, or Mercola. If we could somehow
transport him from his time to today and give
him a few weeks in a good med school library
to come up to speed on present knowledge, he
would attack those people with the same vigor
as Dr. Barrett.

Some of his theories have been fully borne
out since his time. For example, he was one
of the early crusaders against tobacco.
Long before hard scientific evidence became
available, he was campaigning against tobacco
and defending himself against lawsuits over his
claim that smoking tobacco caused lung cancer.

On the other hand, he also attacked coffee,
white sugar, white flour, meat, and spicy
foods. At least with regard to white flour,
it's true that in the 19th century it lacked
important vitamins which caused diseases of
deficiency that were not remedied until the
20th century when B-vitamins were discovered
and legislation was passed requiring the
enrichment of white flour with these vitamins.

While his SDA background influenced his theories,
only his vegetarianism was directly the result
of his religious views. The SDA church did
guide his career toward his most influential
position, as superintendent of the Battle Creek
Sanitarium. However, it should be pointed out
that his father was a major financial backer
of the early years of the SDA movement. The
SDA received much more from the Kellogs than
it gave. It is true that he was sent to get
the best medical education with the intent that
he would become involved with operation of the San,
but he made good use of that opportunity and led
the San to far higher peaks than it would have
accomplished without him.

He advocated therapies that today have no place
in medicine, such as phototherapy, fresh air
therapy, etc. Probably the worst legacy of
his influence is the practice of colon cleansing.
He didn't invent it, but he was its strongest
advocate in the U.S. during the last part of the
19th century and the first part of the 20th
century. It would not be as widely practiced
in the U.S. today without his influence.

On the other hand, he played an important role
in the development of modern dietetics and
nutritional science. His student Lenna Francis
Cooper in the second edition of her book _The_
_New_Cookery_ (published by one of JHK's companies)
was the very first cookbook to include nutritional
information (calorie count, fat content, protein
content, etc.) for every recipe in the book.
Cooper was also one the founders of the American
Dietetic Association, the professional organization
for dieticians in the U.S. today.

There was a movie a few years ago _The_Road_To_
_Wellville_ which was largely based on JHK's
charismatic personality and the history of the San.
It's an okay or good movie, but not a great one.
The plot is based on a reasonable adaptation
of real history, I don't fault the selection
of actors, the costumes were first rate,
and the set design was extraordinarily good.
Often, I couldn't tell whether a prop was an
actual period antique or a copy. Even the
electrical wiring and the fixtures on the walls
looked 100% authentic to me. (In fact, I think
I recognize which period book may have been used
as a source reference for guiding the set design.)

One critical review of the movie attacked it for
the emphasis on frequent colon cleanisng. I did
not find that aspect of the movie the least bit
unfaithful to practices at the San. I'm probably
one of the few people who watched that movie who
marvelled at how accurately it was done technically,
even if it wasn't that great as a movie.

Overall, JHK's legacy is a good one. He stimulated
the development of modern nutritional science much
earlier than it would have occurred without him,
His advocacy of therapies we know know to be worthless
is regrettable, but lesser in importance than his
positive contributions.

If we were to search for a 19th century advocate
of therapies that might warrant revival (or at
least scientific testing), I would suggest
reviewing the work of S. Weir-Mitchell.

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060623043541AA5gpMh

The first modern and commercial cereal foods were created by the American
Seventh-day Adventists. Strict vegetarian, the Adventists formed the Western
Health Reform Institute in the 1860s. The Institute was later renamed the
Battle Creek Sanitarium after its location in Battle Creek, Michigan. The
Adventists manufactured, promoted, and sold wholesome cereals.

or if you want a specific person (even though it was after)
Will Keith Kellogg was the founder of the W.K. Kellogg Foundation, founded
in 1906. In 1894, Kellogg was trying to improve the vegetarian diet of
hospital patients. He was searching for a digestible bread substitute using
the process of boiling wheat. Kellogg accidentally left a pot of boiled
wheat to stand and the wheat became tempered (soften). When Kellogg rolled
the tempered or softened wheat and let it dry, each grain of wheat emerged
as a large thin flake. The flakes turned out to be a tasty cereal. Kellogg
had invented corn flakes.


http://info.detnews.com/history/story/index.cfm?id=146&category=business

A remarkable Adventist leader, Ellen G. White, saw a chance to expand the
order through a better health campaign. In September 1866 she opened the
Western Health Reform Institute in Battle Creek which offered Adventist
theology, health foods such as oatmeal, and plenty of open-air exercise.
The institute attracted patrons in droves, but few made repeat visits.
Clients refused to take her doctors and their correspondence-school degrees
seriously. They wanted educated physicians with real medical degrees.

Sister White realized she needed to market her program, so she
selected a serious-minded youth from her congregation named John Harvey
Kellogg, a native of Battle Creek and son of a broommaker. She paid for his
education at the University of Michigan and then sent him to study at
Bellevue Hospital in New York, paying him a salary while he was there.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:54 am    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

Mark Thorson wrote:
Quote:
On the other hand, he also attacked coffee,
white sugar, white flour, meat, and spicy
foods.

He attacked alcohol, coffee, and tea. I would say despite the
so-called benefits of green tea any product that contains caffeine will
be bad for your health. Caffeine has a number of negative health
effects, including but not limited to making you chronically anxious.

He was against spicy foods. And, I say that he was mainly saying that
anyone suffering from IBS should not eat spicy foods. And, he was
totally correct on that point.

And, the ONLY negative thing that Kellogg really ever said against meat
was that nobody should be eating disease ridden meat. Meat in his day
was usually disease ridden and that is precisely why so many people
back then were bilious or suffering from IBS.

Would you ever eat disease ridden pigs raised by some fool in his back
yard and then slaughtered in totally unsanitary conditions? I
certainly would not. That would be a sure fire way to end up with IBS,
just like Kellogg warned.

Quote:
He advocated therapies that today have no place
in medicine, such as phototherapy, fresh air
therapy, etc. Probably the worst legacy of
his influence is the practice of colon cleansing.
He didn't invent it, but he was its strongest
advocate in the U.S. during the last part of the
19th century and the first part of the 20th
century.

That is a total misrepresentation of Kellogg's actual position on the
use of enemas.

See, the above hyperlink in another post of mine on this thread.

Further rules #55 and 58 of Kellogg's rules for Biologic Living clearly
state that enemas can be used to treat two different health conditions:
Constipation and bilious conditions or IBS. Both of these conditions
are abnormal.

Despite this common misrepresentation of the facts, Kellogg NEVER ever
recommended that a NORMAL person eating the recommended diet of natural
foods would even need to take even one enema.

Who says so? I do.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
Quote:
Mark Thorson wrote:
On the other hand, he also attacked coffee,
white sugar, white flour, meat, and spicy
foods.

He attacked alcohol, coffee, and tea. I would say despite the
so-called benefits of green tea any product that contains caffeine will
be bad for your health. Caffeine has a number of negative health
effects, including but not limited to making you chronically anxious.

So?

Quote:

He was against spicy foods. And, I say that he was mainly saying that
anyone suffering from IBS should not eat spicy foods. And, he was
totally correct on that point.

Spicy foods do not cause IBS. Spicy foods will aggravate an existing
IBS situation. The cause of IBS inmost cases is grains, specifically
wheat with gluten. He was not correct on this point. He was dead wrong
in advocating human consumption of excessive amounts of grains. Get
this thru your thick neaderthal skull. KELLOGG WAS WRONG ABOUT THE
CAUSES AND THE TREATMENT OF IBS.

Quote:

And, the ONLY negative thing that Kellogg really ever said against meat
was that nobody should be eating disease ridden meat. Meat in his day
was usually disease ridden and that is precisely why so many people
back then were bilious or suffering from IBS.

He advocated vegetarianism, which is WRONG. Humans need animal sourced
foods to achieve even a modicum of good health.

Quote:

Would you ever eat disease ridden pigs raised by some fool in his back
yard and then slaughtered in totally unsanitary conditions? I
certainly would not. That would be a sure fire way to end up with IBS,
just like Kellogg warned.

1) I am not aware of anyone who would advocate eating diseased animals
or animals processed in unsanitary conditions. D'uh!
2) The real surefire way to get IBS is to eat Kelloggs manufactured and
process wheat and corn grains.

Quote:

He advocated therapies that today have no place
in medicine, such as phototherapy, fresh air
therapy, etc. Probably the worst legacy of
his influence is the practice of colon cleansing.
He didn't invent it, but he was its strongest
advocate in the U.S. during the last part of the
19th century and the first part of the 20th
century.

That is a total misrepresentation of Kellogg's actual position on the
use of enemas.

Wrong. He wrote a frikkin' book on the subject and he prescribed enemas
for hundreds of "patients" and when they did not work, he surgically
removed part of their bowels.

Quit trying to change history.

Quote:

See, the above hyperlink in another post of mine on this thread.

Further rules #55 and 58 of Kellogg's rules for Biologic Living clearly
state that enemas can be used to treat two different health conditions:
Constipation and bilious conditions or IBS. Both of these conditions
are abnormal.

And he equated virtually all maladies (health abnormailties) to lower
GI sources which in almost every case would lead to having to clean the
source of the "autointoxication" which would mean a colonic enema.

Quote:

Despite this common misrepresentation of the facts, Kellogg NEVER ever
recommended that a NORMAL person eating the recommended diet of natural
foods would even need to take even one enema.

Except that virtually all health complaints turned normal people into
patients who needed his enemas. And his dietary recomendations of bland
grains would be a cause of IBS and other GI complaints. If they weren't
sick to begin with, his diet would cause enough problems to label them
as sick and needing an enema.

Quote:

Who says so? I do.

And that is the crux. You say so, but you are an abject idiot.

TC
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

"Mr. Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in
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Quote:
Mark Thorson wrote:
On the other hand, he also attacked coffee,
white sugar, white flour, meat, and spicy
foods.

He attacked alcohol, coffee, and tea. I would say despite the
so-called benefits of green tea any product that contains caffeine will
be bad for your health. Caffeine has a number of negative health
effects, including but not limited to making you chronically anxious.

He was against spicy foods. And, I say that he was mainly saying that
anyone suffering from IBS should not eat spicy foods. And, he was
totally correct on that point.

And, the ONLY negative thing that Kellogg really ever said against meat
was that nobody should be eating disease ridden meat. Meat in his day
was usually disease ridden and that is precisely why so many people
back then were bilious or suffering from IBS.

Would you ever eat disease ridden pigs raised by some fool in his back
yard and then slaughtered in totally unsanitary conditions? I
certainly would not. That would be a sure fire way to end up with IBS,
just like Kellogg warned.

He advocated therapies that today have no place
in medicine, such as phototherapy, fresh air
therapy, etc. Probably the worst legacy of
his influence is the practice of colon cleansing.
He didn't invent it, but he was its strongest
advocate in the U.S. during the last part of the
19th century and the first part of the 20th
century.

That is a total misrepresentation of Kellogg's actual position on the
use of enemas.

See, the above hyperlink in another post of mine on this thread.

Further rules #55 and 58 of Kellogg's rules for Biologic Living clearly
state that enemas can be used to treat two different health conditions:
Constipation and bilious conditions or IBS. Both of these conditions
are abnormal.

Despite this common misrepresentation of the facts, Kellogg NEVER ever
recommended that a NORMAL person eating the recommended diet of natural
foods would even need to take even one enema.

Who says so? I do.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/john-kellogg.html

Mark Thorson posts misinformation. Often.


http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060623043541AA5gpMh

The first modern and commercial cereal foods were created by the American
Seventh-day Adventists. Strict vegetarian, the Adventists formed the Western
Health Reform Institute in the 1860s. The Institute was later renamed the
Battle Creek Sanitarium after its location in Battle Creek, Michigan. The
Adventists manufactured, promoted, and sold wholesome cereals.

or if you want a specific person (even though it was after)
Will Keith Kellogg was the founder of the W.K. Kellogg Foundation, founded
in 1906. In 1894, Kellogg was trying to improve the vegetarian diet of
hospital patients. He was searching for a digestible bread substitute using
the process of boiling wheat. Kellogg accidentally left a pot of boiled
wheat to stand and the wheat became tempered (soften). When Kellogg rolled
the tempered or softened wheat and let it dry, each grain of wheat emerged
as a large thin flake. The flakes turned out to be a tasty cereal. Kellogg
had invented corn flakes.

http://info.detnews.com/history/story/index.cfm?id=146&category=business

A remarkable Adventist leader, Ellen G. White, saw a chance to expand the
order through a better health campaign. In September 1866 she opened the
Western Health Reform Institute in Battle Creek which offered Adventist
theology, health foods such as oatmeal, and plenty of open-air exercise.
The institute attracted patrons in droves, but few made repeat visits.
Clients refused to take her doctors and their correspondence-school degrees
seriously. They wanted educated physicians with real medical degrees.

Sister White realized she needed to market her program, so she
selected a serious-minded youth from her congregation named John Harvey
Kellogg, a native of Battle Creek and son of a broommaker. She paid for his
education at the University of Michigan and then sent him to study at
Bellevue Hospital in New York, paying him a salary while he was there.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Introducing John Harvey Kellogg, the undisputed Father of Natural Health Reply with quote

"TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
Mark Thorson wrote:
On the other hand, he also attacked coffee,
white sugar, white flour, meat, and spicy
foods.

He attacked alcohol, coffee, and tea. I would say despite the
so-called benefits of green tea any product that contains caffeine will
be bad for your health. Caffeine has a number of negative health
effects, including but not limited to making you chronically anxious.

So?


He was against spicy foods. And, I say that he was mainly saying that
anyone suffering from IBS should not eat spicy foods. And, he was
totally correct on that point.

Spicy foods do not cause IBS. Spicy foods will aggravate an existing
IBS situation. The cause of IBS inmost cases is grains, specifically
wheat with gluten. He was not correct on this point. He was dead wrong
in advocating human consumption of excessive amounts of grains. Get
this thru your thick neaderthal skull. KELLOGG WAS WRONG ABOUT THE
CAUSES AND THE TREATMENT OF IBS.


And, the ONLY negative thing that Kellogg really ever said against meat
was that nobody should be eating disease ridden meat. Meat in his day
was usually disease ridden and that is precisely why so many people
back then were bilious or suffering from IBS.

He advocated vegetarianism, which is WRONG. Humans need animal sourced
foods to achieve even a modicum of good health.

Wrong. You are eating seconded handed what you need.
Quote:


Would you ever eat disease ridden pigs raised by some fool in his back
yard and then slaughtered in totally unsanitary conditions? I
certainly would not. That would be a sure fire way to end up with IBS,
just like Kellogg warned.

1) I am not aware of anyone who would advocate eating diseased animals
or animals processed in unsanitary conditions. D'uh!
2) The real surefire way to get IBS is to eat Kelloggs manufactured and
process wheat and corn grains.


He advocated therapies that today have no place
in medicine, such as phototherapy, fresh air
therapy, etc. Probably the worst legacy of
his influence is the practice of colon cleansing.
He didn't invent it, but he was its strongest
advocate in the U.S. during the last part of the
19th century and the first part of the 20th
century.

That is a total misrepresentation of Kellogg's actual position on the
use of enemas.

Wrong. He wrote a frikkin' book on the subject and he prescribed enemas
for hundreds of "patients" and when they did not work, he surgically
removed part of their bowels.

Quit trying to change history.


See, the above hyperlink in another post of mine on this thread.

Further rules #55 and 58 of Kellogg's rules for Biologic Living clearly
state that enemas can be used to treat two different health conditions:
Constipation and bilious conditions or IBS. Both of these conditions
are abnormal.

And he equated virtually all maladies (health abnormailties) to lower
GI sources which in almost every case would lead to having to clean the
source of the "autointoxication" which would mean a colonic enema.


Despite this common misrepresentation of the facts, Kellogg NEVER ever
recommended that a NORMAL person eating the recommended diet of natural
foods would even need to take even one enema.

Except that virtually all health complaints turned normal people into
patients who needed his enemas. And his dietary recomendations of bland
grains would be a cause of IBS and other GI complaints. If they weren't
sick to begin with, his diet would cause enough problems to label them
as sick and needing an enema.


Who says so? I do.

And that is the crux. You say so, but you are an abject idiot.

TC
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