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doctor_my_eye@msn.com
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When the "fusarium scare" occurred and Bausch and Lomb "Renu with
Moisture Lock" was pulled off the market, B&L was put in a similar
place that the makers of Tylenol were after the great poisoning scare
years back. To build patient compliance and advocate good contact lens
hygiene B&L has created a FREE "Wear & Care" consumer program. When
you go on their website at www.bausch.com and hit the "Wear and Care"
button, you can sign up for a FREE care package that includes 12 free
contact lens cases to encourage monthly case disposal. YOU DON"T HAVE
TO WEAR B&L LENSES to get the free cases. My rep says they have had
80,000 sign up so far, and the more the merrier. So, I encourage
everyone here who wears soft contacts or fits soft contacts to send
everyone to this program.
When cases are clean and hands are clean there are fewer infections and
we all win, not just B&L. |
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serebel
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doctor_my_eye@msn.com wrote:
| Quote: | When the "fusarium scare" occurred and Bausch and Lomb "Renu with
Moisture Lock" was pulled off the market, B&L was put in a similar
place that the makers of Tylenol were after the great poisoning scare
years back. To build patient compliance and advocate good contact lens
hygiene B&L has created a FREE "Wear & Care" consumer program. When
you go on their website at www.bausch.com and hit the "Wear and Care"
button, you can sign up for a FREE care package that includes 12 free
contact lens cases to encourage monthly case disposal. YOU DON"T HAVE
TO WEAR B&L LENSES to get the free cases. My rep says they have had
80,000 sign up so far, and the more the merrier. So, I encourage
everyone here who wears soft contacts or fits soft contacts to send
everyone to this program.
When cases are clean and hands are clean there are fewer infections and
we all win, not just B&L.
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Just wondering here, but are RGP wearers affected by this also? |
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Ragnar
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Thanks for that post!
I have just one comment about it. B&L would like people to believe
that the problems with their eyedrops were actually the fault of poor
patient hygiene. A dozen contact lens cases is a bit silly. It pains
me to see a myopic patient wearing glasses. They should be wearing
contact lenses - rigid if they can tolerate them - and consider LASIK
when they can pay for it. Actually.. anybody can pay for it. When
the numbers are crunched, it takes at most 12 years of contact lens or
glasses to equal the cost of LASIK. Also, Lasik is tax deductable -
as are glasses and contacts - but people are not likely to go to the
trouble of deducting their contacts or glasses.. but are likely to
deduct that big lasik payment. The operation is easily financed.
I would like everyone to be wearing rigid contacts if possible. They
are very low maintenance, and provide the best possible vision. It's
unfortunate that so few people are willing to put up with a little
discomfort.
On 1 Jul 2006 08:42:49 -0700, "doctor_my_eye@msn.com"
<doctor_my_eye@msn.com> wrote:
| Quote: | When the "fusarium scare" occurred and Bausch and Lomb "Renu with
Moisture Lock" was pulled off the market, B&L was put in a similar
place that the makers of Tylenol were after the great poisoning scare
years back. To build patient compliance and advocate good contact lens
hygiene B&L has created a FREE "Wear & Care" consumer program. When
you go on their website at www.bausch.com and hit the "Wear and Care"
button, you can sign up for a FREE care package that includes 12 free
contact lens cases to encourage monthly case disposal. YOU DON"T HAVE
TO WEAR B&L LENSES to get the free cases. My rep says they have had
80,000 sign up so far, and the more the merrier. So, I encourage
everyone here who wears soft contacts or fits soft contacts to send
everyone to this program.
When cases are clean and hands are clean there are fewer infections and
we all win, not just B&L. |
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biscuit
medicine forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 24 Apr 2005
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Ragnar wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks for that post!
I have just one comment about it. B&L would like people to believe
that the problems with their eyedrops were actually the fault of poor
patient hygiene. A dozen contact lens cases is a bit silly. It pains
me to see a myopic patient wearing glasses. They should be wearing
contact lenses - rigid if they can tolerate them - and consider LASIK
when they can pay for it. Actually.. anybody can pay for it. When
the numbers are crunched, it takes at most 12 years of contact lens or
glasses to equal the cost of LASIK. Also, Lasik is tax deductable -
as are glasses and contacts - but people are not likely to go to the
trouble of deducting their contacts or glasses.. but are likely to
deduct that big lasik payment. The operation is easily financed.
I would like everyone to be wearing rigid contacts if possible. They
are very low maintenance, and provide the best possible vision. It's
unfortunate that so few people are willing to put up with a little
discomfort.
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Anon E. Muss
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Joined: 22 May 2006
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On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 08:35:04 GMT, Ragnar <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks for that post!
I have just one comment about it. B&L would like people to believe
that the problems with their eyedrops were actually the fault of poor
patient hygiene.
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Are you talking about "eyedrops" or Renu with MoisturLOC?
Have you actually read the conclusions of B&L and the ophthalmic
community?
<http://tinyurl.com/zgek5>
| Quote: | A dozen contact lens cases is a bit silly. It pains me to see a
myopic patient wearing glasses. They should be wearing contact lenses
- rigid if they can tolerate them - and consider LASIK when they can
pay for it.
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These are silly blanket statements and bad advice for many patients.
[snip]
| Quote: | I would like everyone to be wearing rigid contacts if possible. They
are very low maintenance, and provide the best possible vision. It's
unfortunate that so few people are willing to put up with a little
discomfort.
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Many patients tolerate RGPs successfully. However, while some
patients with dry eyes do better with RGPs, others can have their dry
eye condition aggravated by RGPs and don't like to go around with dry
eyes for *years*. I know from experience -- I did. I wore RGPs for
over 5 years with constantly dry eyes.
I got sick of it. I didn't do well with HEMA lenses either -- eyes
got dry with them too.
When silicone hydrogel lenses came out, I moved into them and now get
comfortable lens wear for 14+ hours on most every day. I never got
that routinely with RGPs or HEMA SCLs. |
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Glenn - USAEyes.org
medicine forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 05 May 2005
Posts: 129
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Thanks for the update. I'm surprised that B&L did not do a press
release on this. We normally get their releases and I had not heard
about this excellent service.
We have added it to our RSS NewsFeed and it is now on our website.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
Patient Advocacy Surgeon Certification
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor. |
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Ragnar
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 10 May 2005
Posts: 38
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I don't know why you replied anonymously... you did a good post.
I had not seen the full story about B&L and that solution. Scary
stuff. Which is yet another reason to avoid soft contact lenses.
Rigid lenses can be rinsed off with warm tap water. Those lenses to
not absorb water nor does water adhere to them. Still, one might want
to give them a squirt with some contact lens solution after
thouroughly cleaning them with tap water.
Another issue is that preserved solutions are not healthy for the
eye... yet no preservatives is even more dangerous... so again.. go
for the RGPs
On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 08:13:16 -0700, Anon E. Muss
<anonymous@example.org> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 08:35:04 GMT, Ragnar <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com
wrote:
Thanks for that post!
I have just one comment about it. B&L would like people to believe
that the problems with their eyedrops were actually the fault of poor
patient hygiene.
Are you talking about "eyedrops" or Renu with MoisturLOC?
Have you actually read the conclusions of B&L and the ophthalmic
community?
<http://tinyurl.com/zgek5
A dozen contact lens cases is a bit silly. It pains me to see a
myopic patient wearing glasses. They should be wearing contact lenses
- rigid if they can tolerate them - and consider LASIK when they can
pay for it.
These are silly blanket statements and bad advice for many patients.
[snip]
I would like everyone to be wearing rigid contacts if possible. They
are very low maintenance, and provide the best possible vision. It's
unfortunate that so few people are willing to put up with a little
discomfort.
Many patients tolerate RGPs successfully. However, while some
patients with dry eyes do better with RGPs, others can have their dry
eye condition aggravated by RGPs and don't like to go around with dry
eyes for *years*. I know from experience -- I did. I wore RGPs for
over 5 years with constantly dry eyes.
I got sick of it. I didn't do well with HEMA lenses either -- eyes
got dry with them too.
When silicone hydrogel lenses came out, I moved into them and now get
comfortable lens wear for 14+ hours on most every day. I never got
that routinely with RGPs or HEMA SCLs. |
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Anon E. Muss
medicine forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 22 May 2006
Posts: 136
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Re: Great safety program for soft contact lens wearers
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On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:47:49 GMT, Ragnar <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | I had not seen the full story about B&L and that solution. Scary
stuff.
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I am convinced that these cases wouldn't have occured in any greater
incidence than patients using other solutions if the patients followed
proper lens hygiene, care, and obeyed the product instructions. I
believe that this is the case of a "perfect storm".
IOW, B&L ReNu with MoisturLOC was riskier to use than other solutions
if you were non-compliant (i.e., basically a lazy slob) with your
doctor's instructions.
| Quote: | Which is yet another reason to avoid soft contact lenses.
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Wearing ANY contact lenses involve risk. That risk can be minimized
by following proper lens hygiene and wearing them per your eye
doctor's instructions. For most people the risk to benefit ratio is
certainly very acceptable.
| Quote: | Rigid lenses can be rinsed off with warm tap water. Those lenses to
not absorb water nor does water adhere to them. Still, one might want
to give them a squirt with some contact lens solution after
thouroughly cleaning them with tap water.
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Might?
| Quote: | Another issue is that preserved solutions are not healthy for the
eye... yet no preservatives is even more dangerous... so again.. go
for the RGPs
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Rigid gas permeable contact lenses (RGPs) have advantages and
disadvantages versus soft contact lenses (SCLs). Eye doctors realize
this.
For most of my patients, the advantages of SCLs (e.g., initial comfort
and relatively inexpensive frequent replacement modality)
overwhelmingly outweigh the advantages of RGPs (e.g., less costly over
the long run if patient doesn't lose/crack lenses and prescription
doesn't change).
The "healthier for the eyes" advantage that RGPs had over SCLs is
pretty much gone with the availability of silicone hydrogel contat
lenses (SHCLs).
(Yes, there are exceptions to this, like the -12.00DS -3.00DC OU
patient I had that had nasty limbal neovascularization and microcystic
edema from daily wear of Hydrasoft Torics and I "forced" into RGPs --
BTW, it was amazing hoiw much healthier her eyes looked in just the
course of a couple months! But for the -4.00DS myope, arguing that
RGPs are healthier than SHCLs if both are worn properly is basically
untenable.)
When I go over the pros/cons of RGPs versus SCLs (which in 6/2006 is
SHCLs easily 95% of the time), the vast majority of my patients choose
SCLs. |
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Ragnar
medicine forum beginner
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Posts: 38
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I tend to agree with you.... there are many issues involved in
solutions... preservatives vs non-preserved... for instance...
distilled water is not chlorinated.. so distilled water is potentially
a medium for bacteria soup.
And I promise tnot to make a big issure out of this.. even though I
probably should.. but this is a good reason to have LASIK... to be
free of sticking solutions into your eyes. Don't get me started on
the old pretien eating pig pancreatin tablets....
On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 13:03:24 -0700, Anon E. Muss
<anonymous@example.org> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:47:49 GMT, Ragnar <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com
wrote:
I had not seen the full story about B&L and that solution. Scary
stuff.
I am convinced that these cases wouldn't have occured in any greater
incidence than patients using other solutions if the patients followed
proper lens hygiene, care, and obeyed the product instructions. I
believe that this is the case of a "perfect storm".
IOW, B&L ReNu with MoisturLOC was riskier to use than other solutions
if you were non-compliant (i.e., basically a lazy slob) with your
doctor's instructions.
Which is yet another reason to avoid soft contact lenses.
Wearing ANY contact lenses involve risk. That risk can be minimized
by following proper lens hygiene and wearing them per your eye
doctor's instructions. For most people the risk to benefit ratio is
certainly very acceptable.
Rigid lenses can be rinsed off with warm tap water. Those lenses to
not absorb water nor does water adhere to them. Still, one might want
to give them a squirt with some contact lens solution after
thouroughly cleaning them with tap water.
Might?
Another issue is that preserved solutions are not healthy for the
eye... yet no preservatives is even more dangerous... so again.. go
for the RGPs
Rigid gas permeable contact lenses (RGPs) have advantages and
disadvantages versus soft contact lenses (SCLs). Eye doctors realize
this.
For most of my patients, the advantages of SCLs (e.g., initial comfort
and relatively inexpensive frequent replacement modality)
overwhelmingly outweigh the advantages of RGPs (e.g., less costly over
the long run if patient doesn't lose/crack lenses and prescription
doesn't change).
The "healthier for the eyes" advantage that RGPs had over SCLs is
pretty much gone with the availability of silicone hydrogel contat
lenses (SHCLs).
(Yes, there are exceptions to this, like the -12.00DS -3.00DC OU
patient I had that had nasty limbal neovascularization and microcystic
edema from daily wear of Hydrasoft Torics and I "forced" into RGPs --
BTW, it was amazing hoiw much healthier her eyes looked in just the
course of a couple months! But for the -4.00DS myope, arguing that
RGPs are healthier than SHCLs if both are worn properly is basically
untenable.)
When I go over the pros/cons of RGPs versus SCLs (which in 6/2006 is
SHCLs easily 95% of the time), the vast majority of my patients choose
SCLs. |
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JPG
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On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 20:19:07 GMT, Ragnar <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | I tend to agree with you.... there are many issues involved in
solutions... preservatives vs non-preserved... for instance...
distilled water is not chlorinated.. so distilled water is potentially
a medium for bacteria soup.
And I promise tnot to make a big issure out of this.. even though I
probably should.. but this is a good reason to have LASIK... to be
free of sticking solutions into your eyes. Don't get me started on
the old pretien eating pig pancreatin tablets....
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You generalise too much. LASIK isn't good for all. It wouldn't be
good for me as I am monocular. Too risky.
Ann
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On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 13:03:24 -0700, Anon E. Muss
anonymous@example.org> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:47:49 GMT, Ragnar <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com
wrote:
I had not seen the full story about B&L and that solution. Scary
stuff.
I am convinced that these cases wouldn't have occured in any greater
incidence than patients using other solutions if the patients followed
proper lens hygiene, care, and obeyed the product instructions. I
believe that this is the case of a "perfect storm".
IOW, B&L ReNu with MoisturLOC was riskier to use than other solutions
if you were non-compliant (i.e., basically a lazy slob) with your
doctor's instructions.
Which is yet another reason to avoid soft contact lenses.
Wearing ANY contact lenses involve risk. That risk can be minimized
by following proper lens hygiene and wearing them per your eye
doctor's instructions. For most people the risk to benefit ratio is
certainly very acceptable.
Rigid lenses can be rinsed off with warm tap water. Those lenses to
not absorb water nor does water adhere to them. Still, one might want
to give them a squirt with some contact lens solution after
thouroughly cleaning them with tap water.
Might?
Another issue is that preserved solutions are not healthy for the
eye... yet no preservatives is even more dangerous... so again.. go
for the RGPs
Rigid gas permeable contact lenses (RGPs) have advantages and
disadvantages versus soft contact lenses (SCLs). Eye doctors realize
this.
For most of my patients, the advantages of SCLs (e.g., initial comfort
and relatively inexpensive frequent replacement modality)
overwhelmingly outweigh the advantages of RGPs (e.g., less costly over
the long run if patient doesn't lose/crack lenses and prescription
doesn't change).
The "healthier for the eyes" advantage that RGPs had over SCLs is
pretty much gone with the availability of silicone hydrogel contat
lenses (SHCLs).
(Yes, there are exceptions to this, like the -12.00DS -3.00DC OU
patient I had that had nasty limbal neovascularization and microcystic
edema from daily wear of Hydrasoft Torics and I "forced" into RGPs --
BTW, it was amazing hoiw much healthier her eyes looked in just the
course of a couple months! But for the -4.00DS myope, arguing that
RGPs are healthier than SHCLs if both are worn properly is basically
untenable.)
When I go over the pros/cons of RGPs versus SCLs (which in 6/2006 is
SHCLs easily 95% of the time), the vast majority of my patients choose
SCLs. |
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Dr. Leukoma
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Ann wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 20:19:07 GMT, Ragnar <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com
wrote:
I tend to agree with you.... there are many issues involved in
solutions... preservatives vs non-preserved... for instance...
distilled water is not chlorinated.. so distilled water is potentially
a medium for bacteria soup.
And I promise tnot to make a big issure out of this.. even though I
probably should.. but this is a good reason to have LASIK... to be
free of sticking solutions into your eyes. Don't get me started on
the old pretien eating pig pancreatin tablets....
You generalise too much. LASIK isn't good for all. It wouldn't be
good for me as I am monocular. Too risky.
Ann
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That's for sure. LASIK is inherently riskier than any contact lens.
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serebel
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Dr. Leukoma wrote:
.. LASIK is inherently riskier than any contact lens.
Sounds like a true contact salesman. "Can't have anyone cutting a
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Neil Brooks
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On 2 Jul 2006 18:52:51 -0700, "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote:
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Dr. Leukoma wrote:
. LASIK is inherently riskier than any contact lens.
DrG
Sounds like a true contact salesman. "Can't have anyone cutting a
slice in my pie."
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Watched you for quite some time. I'd say your "agenda" is far more at
play here than that of Dr. G.
But then, that's must my impression .... based in part on decades of
research and review of peer-reviewed studies. |
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serebel
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Neil Brooks wrote:
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Watched you for quite some time. I'd say your "agenda" is far more at
play here than that of Dr. G.
But then, that's must my impression .... based in part on decades of
research and review of peer-reviewed studies.
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My agenda is only to counter the anti- RS loony fringe. And since my
SE days of long ago I've noticed that Leukoma's agenda is to stroke his
own ego and play the part of a super hero. Anyone can fit a lens or say
which is better, 1 or 2 ? |
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Neil Brooks
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On 2 Jul 2006 19:21:12 -0700, "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote:
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Neil Brooks wrote:
Watched you for quite some time. I'd say your "agenda" is far more at
play here than that of Dr. G.
But then, that's must my impression .... based in part on decades of
research and review of peer-reviewed studies.
My agenda is only to counter the anti- RS loony fringe. And since my
SE days of long ago I've noticed that Leukoma's agenda is to stroke his
own ego and play the part of a super hero. Anyone can fit a lens or say
which is better, 1 or 2 ?
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I love this perspective. I'll go out on a limb and assume you're a
blood relative of Otis Brown, right?
Airline pilots have the easiest job in the world ... about 98% of the
time. During the other 2% of the time, though, you are praying for
their expertise, their judgment, their acumen, and their experience to
all coalesce to pull your bacon out of the fire.
I don't doubt that some big % (dramatically UNDER 98%, I would guess)
of an OD's practice is NOT particularly challenging to them either,
but that just keeps the lights on AND isn't of their making.
Their scope of practice matches up with certain optometric problems in
the general population in a certain way. It is what it is.
LOTS of OD's (I've known quite a few), however, "get out of bed" for
the remainder of their patients--those whose cases are more complex,
more challenging, and, therefore, more rewarding.
Whatever your profession, I'm sure I could take equally prejudicial
and unenlightened pot-shots at it and at you. I wouldn't, but just
know that it could easily be done. You've only been on one side of
the chair, I presume. |
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