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Rich
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Bryan's Fombonne fiction Reply with quote

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote:
Jan Drew wrote:
"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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Rich wrote:

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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You LIE.


There you go falsely accusing again, Jan. Bryan is a scientist and has
proven it.


Jan is confused; she doesn't realize what you need to do before you can
publish papers in a scientific journal. She thinks they're just like
any old magazine, where anyone who can write can make up a bit of
fiction and publish it.


There you go making false accusations.

FACT: You do not know what I realize..nor what I think

FACT: You do not think.

Bryan

Thanks for showing your true character.

Jan, even if you are capable of thinking, which is doubtful, you have
thoroughly demonstrated that you are incapable of composing your thoughts
into words. That disability is the equivalent of being unable to think at
all. Anybody who knows how to write knows that the process has the wonderful
property of clarifying ones thoughts. I really think that CathyB's
suggestion that you get some further education in English is an excellent
idea that you should take seriously. Courses are available at your local
community college, and completion of one would greatly improve your
persuasive powers in these newsgroups. Go for it, Jan.
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--Rich

Recommended websites:

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Bryan's Fombonne fiction Reply with quote

"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote:
Quote:
Jan Drew wrote:
"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
news:e93srq$b6m$1@news.ucalgary.ca...

Rich wrote:

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:sAatg.129908$dW3.112332@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...


You LIE.


There you go falsely accusing again, Jan. Bryan is a scientist and has
proven it.


Jan is confused; she doesn't realize what you need to do before you can
publish papers in a scientific journal. She thinks they're just like any
old magazine, where anyone who can write can make up a bit of fiction and
publish it.


There you go making false accusations.

FACT: You do not know what I realize..nor what I think

FACT: You do not think.

Bryan

Thanks for showing your true character.
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Bryan Heit
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Bryan's Fombonne fiction Reply with quote

Jan Drew wrote:
Quote:
"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
news:e93srq$b6m$1@news.ucalgary.ca...

Rich wrote:

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:sAatg.129908$dW3.112332@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...


You LIE.


There you go falsely accusing again, Jan. Bryan is a scientist and has
proven it.


Jan is confused; she doesn't realize what you need to do before you can
publish papers in a scientific journal. She thinks they're just like any
old magazine, where anyone who can write can make up a bit of fiction and
publish it.


There you go making false accusations.

FACT: You do not know what I realize..nor what I think

FACT: You do not think.

Bryan
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Bryan Heit
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Bryan's Fombonne fiction Reply with quote

Rich wrote:
Quote:
"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
news:e93srq$b6m$1@news.ucalgary.ca...

Rich wrote:

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:sAatg.129908$dW3.112332@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...


You LIE.


There you go falsely accusing again, Jan. Bryan is a scientist and has
proven it.


Jan is confused; she doesn't realize what you need to do before you can
publish papers in a scientific journal. She thinks they're just like any
old magazine, where anyone who can write can make up a bit of fiction and
publish it.

I don't take her critisim too seriously; after all, she doesn't even know
simple things like how to calculate a percentage. . .


If Jan is telling the truth when she claims to have attained a high-school
diploma, she's proof that it is possible to do so without having received a
high-school education. She's demonstrated poor reading comprehension skills,
non-existant English composition skills, ignorance of classic and popular
literature, and no knowledge whatsoever of math or science. If she learned
anything at all in high school, she let that knowledge fade away during a
career of communicating only with pre-schoolers every day. Oh, and there's
also good evidence that she didn't pay attention in Sunday School, either.

Sounds like she is a recent high school graduate. Man, the quality of
education's gone down hill ;-)

Bryan
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\"Jan Drew\"
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:12 am    Post subject: Re: Bryan's Fombonne fiction Reply with quote

"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
news:e93srq$b6m$1@news.ucalgary.ca...
Quote:
Rich wrote:
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:sAatg.129908$dW3.112332@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...


You LIE.


There you go falsely accusing again, Jan. Bryan is a scientist and has
proven it.


Jan is confused; she doesn't realize what you need to do before you can
publish papers in a scientific journal. She thinks they're just like any
old magazine, where anyone who can write can make up a bit of fiction and
publish it.

There you go making false accusations.

FACT: You do not know what I realize..nor what I think
Quote:

I don't take her critisim too seriously; after all, she doesn't even know
simple things like how to calculate a percentage. . .

Bryan

This thread is NOT about me.
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Rich
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Bryan's Fombonne fiction Reply with quote

"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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Quote:
Rich wrote:
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:sAatg.129908$dW3.112332@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...


You LIE.


There you go falsely accusing again, Jan. Bryan is a scientist and has
proven it.


Jan is confused; she doesn't realize what you need to do before you can
publish papers in a scientific journal. She thinks they're just like any
old magazine, where anyone who can write can make up a bit of fiction and
publish it.

I don't take her critisim too seriously; after all, she doesn't even know
simple things like how to calculate a percentage. . .

If Jan is telling the truth when she claims to have attained a high-school
diploma, she's proof that it is possible to do so without having received a
high-school education. She's demonstrated poor reading comprehension skills,
non-existant English composition skills, ignorance of classic and popular
literature, and no knowledge whatsoever of math or science. If she learned
anything at all in high school, she let that knowledge fade away during a
career of communicating only with pre-schoolers every day. Oh, and there's
also good evidence that she didn't pay attention in Sunday School, either.
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--Rich

Recommended websites:

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/
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Bryan Heit
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Bryan's Fombonne fiction Reply with quote

Rich wrote:
Quote:
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:sAatg.129908$dW3.112332@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...


You LIE.


There you go falsely accusing again, Jan. Bryan is a scientist and has
proven it.


Jan is confused; she doesn't realize what you need to do before you can
publish papers in a scientific journal. She thinks they're just like
any old magazine, where anyone who can write can make up a bit of
fiction and publish it.

I don't take her critisim too seriously; after all, she doesn't even
know simple things like how to calculate a percentage. . .

Bryan
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Rich
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Bryan's Fombonne fiction Reply with quote

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Quote:


You LIE.

There you go falsely accusing again, Jan. Bryan is a scientist and has
proven it.
Quote:



And since you
don't seem to understand what the term "graduate trainee"

Another LIE.

That's not a lie. Bryan is a scientist, and you don't seem to understand
that.

Quote:



means, it
means I'm a PhD candidate. With a little luck and hard work, in 6 to 8
months you'll be able to call me doctor...

Bryan

Hard work? Posting here.

You are a blow hard, and liar.

No, YOU are the liar as has been irrefutably proven. Now be a good girl and
stop lying and calling others 'liar.'
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--Rich

Recommended websites:

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http://www.skeptic.com/
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\"Jan Drew\"
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Bryan's Fombonne fiction Reply with quote

"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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Quote:
Jan Drew wrote:
"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
news:e90b71$r6k$1@news.ucalgary.ca...

Jan Drew wrote:

"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message LOL!!! From
one who claims to have a Ph.d.


Jan, caught you in a lie. I have never once claimed to have a PhD, and I
challenge you to prove otherwise. Of course, you cannot.


Bryan


I meant a scientist.

Umm, sure.

Indeed, sure.
Quote:

And you're proof that I am not a scientist is - nothing.

Actually, I asked YOU for proof.

You LIE.



And since you
Quote:
don't seem to understand what the term "graduate trainee"

Another LIE.



means, it
Quote:
means I'm a PhD candidate. With a little luck and hard work, in 6 to 8
months you'll be able to call me doctor...

Bryan

Hard work? Posting here.

You are a blow hard, and liar.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/23f469d6e01fc9fb

Quote:
BH Wrong! Not even close to being toxic.



MC Now this is just blatant lying. Perhaps you'd like to take a look at
any of the many manufacturers' material safety data sheets (MSDS) on
thimerosal and reevaluate your position.

http://www.nomercury.org/msds.htm


A quote from the Eli Lilly 1991 MSDS:
"Warning: This product contains a chemical known to the State of
California to cause birth defects or other reproductive harm."


How about what Merck says about thimerosal:
"Very toxic by inhalation, in contact with skin and if swallowed.
DANGER OF CUMULATIVE EFFECTS!!!!!!! [emphasis added for effect.] Very
toxic to aquatic organisms, may cause long-term adverse effects in the
aquatic environment."


How about this?
"Immediately change contaminated clothing. Apply skin-protective
barrier cream. Wash hands and face after working with substance.
Under no circumstances eat or drink at workplace. Work under hood. Do
not inhale substance."


There are plenty of other quotes like that to be found on the page
cited. So, tell me again how it's "not even close to being toxic."



Quote:
A very small portion of the population (about 3 in 10,000) will undergo an
allergic response to thermisol when if they are exposed to it on their
skin. This reaction is known as a allergic dermatitis, akin to the
response people have when exposed to poison ivy (i.e. itching, redness).
Although irritating it represents no threat what-so-ever to the patient.
Due to the nature of these responses (properly referred to as
hapten-carrier reactions), the risk of a reaction via injection is minimal
as the body can only respond to thermosil when it is linked to specific
skin protein(s). Because injected vaccines are placed below the
keritinized layer of the skin, the chance of this conjugate forming is
minimal, and therefore the risk of a response is also minimal. Even if a
response occurs it tends to be very similar to your average allergic
response - nasal congestion. Hardly a "toxic" response, and a small price
to pay.


In your opinion, which is all you've posted here today.


Quote:
Ironically, the #1 risk of taking vaccines - anaphylaxis - wasn't even
mentioned by you. Makes one wonder if you're even vaguely aware of how
vaccines or the immune system work. If you don't want to be vaccinated
that is your business, but you shouldn't be passing off these lies as
truth.


An ironic accusation, to say the least.


Quote:
Although the fact that you use lies to push your agenda is a pretty good
indicator of just how honest you are, and speaks volumes about the
credibility of your arguments. At the end of the day vaccines have saved
millions of lives; you seem to want those people to die. why is that?


I will not argue that vaccination has saved lives, but it has cost
lives as well. The thing is, there is ample evidence that proper
nutrition COULD have been used to save the same lives that vaccination
has saved, only without the potential negative side effects.
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Bryan Heit
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Bryan's Fombonne fiction Reply with quote

Jan Drew wrote:
Quote:
"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
news:e90b71$r6k$1@news.ucalgary.ca...

Jan Drew wrote:

"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message LOL!!! From one
who claims to have a Ph.d.


Jan, caught you in a lie. I have never once claimed to have a PhD, and I
challenge you to prove otherwise. Of course, you cannot.


Bryan


I meant a scientist.

Umm, sure.

And you're proof that I am not a scientist is - nothing. And since you
don't seem to understand what the term "graduate trainee" means, it
means I'm a PhD candidate. With a little luck and hard work, in 6 to 8
months you'll be able to call me doctor...

Bryan
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Rich
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:49 am    Post subject: Re: Bryan's Fombonne fiction Reply with quote

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Quote:



Now...for just one of your lies...


How about one of yours?

"I posted it with the permission of the author."

You are a liar and a thief, Jan. Quit falsely accusing others of your own
sins.
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--Rich

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:40 am    Post subject: Re: Bryan's Fombonne fiction Reply with quote

"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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Quote:
Jan Drew wrote:
"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message LOL!!! From one
who claims to have a Ph.d.


Jan, caught you in a lie. I have never once claimed to have a PhD, and I
challenge you to prove otherwise. Of course, you cannot.


Bryan

I meant a scientist.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/836108c68ef8e49a

http://www.ucalgary.ca/~girg/faculty/kubesp.html


Dr. Paul Kubes
BSc, PhD


Professor
Department of Physiology & Biophysics and Medicine
Immunology, Gastrointestinal Research Group


AHFMR Scientist
CRC Chair
Chair, Immunology Research Group
Chair CIHR Training Program in Immunology, Immunopathogenesis and
Inflammation
Director, Institutes of Infection, Immunity and Inflammation


Personnel


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Bryan Heit

Now...for just one of your lies...

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/23f469d6e01fc9fb
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Bryan Heit
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Bryan's Fombonne fiction Reply with quote

john wrote:
Quote:
You can see he writes to the BMJ, and has a website, so why don't you ask
him, as you wouldn't believe me. http://www.cliffordmiller.com/

E-mail sent as of ~14 hours ago. Let see if he replies.

Bryan
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Bryan's Fombonne fiction Reply with quote

Jan Drew wrote:
Quote:
"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
LOL!!! From one who claims to have a Ph.d.


Jan, caught you in a lie. I have never once claimed to have a PhD, and
I challenge you to prove otherwise. Of course, you cannot.


Bryan
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:00 am    Post subject: Re: Bryan's Fombonne fiction Reply with quote

john wrote:
Quote:
"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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I expect you to withdraw your accusation of me making up the letter.


As soon as you prove you didn't write it. But as I pointed out above,
just because someone with that name exists doesn't mean he wrote it.


The Pope

http://www.whale.to/a/miller_h.html

I have better things to do than make up letters from fictious people, and
why would I not just write it myself?

You seem to think that because people take a couple of looks at your
website and avoid it ever after that they won't have noticed that you
have both way too much time on your hands and a penchant for fictions
of all types. As well as one for misrepresenting the studies you cite.


Quote:
Do you think I think lawyers are
people who command great respect like the Pope?

It's entirely plausible that you might have noticed you have as much
credibility as Coco the Clown on these issues, and therefore perfectly
understandable that Bryan would think that you'd fabricated one more
thing. Particularly in view of the missing Cochrane reference.

Quote:

You can see he writes to the BMJ, and has a website, so why don't you ask
him, as you wouldn't believe me. http://www.cliffordmiller.com/
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