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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:04 pm    Post subject: MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS Reply with quote

E-NEWS FROM THE NATIONAL VACCINE INFORMATION CENTER
Vienna, Virginia http://www.nvic.org

============================================================================
for immediate release

June 27, 2006


MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS
National Vaccine Information Center Criticizes FDA for Fast Tracking
Licensure

Washington, D.C. - The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) is
calling on the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) to
just say "no" on June 29 to recommending "universal use" of Merck's Gardasil
vaccine in all pre-adolescent girls. NVIC maintains that Merck's clinical
trials did not prove the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine designed to
prevent cervical cancer and genital warts is safe to give to young girls.

"Merck and the FDA have not been completely honest with the people about
the pre-licensure clinical trials," said NVIC president Barbara Loe Fisher.
"Merck's pre and post-licensure marketing strategy has positioned mass use
of this vaccine by pre-teens as a morality play in order to avoid talking
about the flawed science they used to get it licensed. This is not just
about teenagers having sex, it is also about whether Gardasil has been
proven safe and effective for little girls."

The FDA allowed Merck to use a potentially reactive aluminum containing
placebo as a control for most trial participants, rather than a non-reactive
saline solution placebo. A reactive placebo can artificially increase the
appearance of safety of an experimental drug or vaccine in a clinical trial.
Gardasil contains 225 mcg of aluminum and, although aluminum adjuvants have
been used in vaccines for decades, they were never tested for safety in
clinical trials. Merck and the FDA did not disclose how much aluminum was in
the placebo.

Animal and human studies have shown that aluminum adjuvants can cause
brain cell death and that vaccine aluminum adjuvants can allow aluminum to
enter the brain, as well as cause inflammation at the injection site leading
to chronic joint and muscle pain and fatigue. Nearly 90 percent of all
Gardasil recipients and 85 percent of aluminum placebo recipients reported
one or more adverse events within 15 days of vaccination, particularly at
the injection site. Pain and swelling at injection site and fever occurred
in approximately 83 percent of Gardasil and 73 percent of aluminum placebo
recipients. About 60 percent of those who got Gardasil or the aluminum
placebo had systemic adverse events including headache, fever, nausea,
dizziness, vomiting, diarrhea, myalgia. Gardasil recipients had more serious
adverse events such as headache, gastroenteritis, appendicitis, pelvic
inflammatory disease, asthma, bronchospasm and arthritis.

"Merck and the FDA do not reveal in public documents exactly how many 9
to 15 year old girls were in the clinical trials, how many of them received
hepatitis B vaccine and Gardasil simultaneously, and how many of them had
serious adverse events after being injected with Gardasil or the aluminum
placebo. For example, if there were fewer than 1,000 little girls actually
injected with three doses of Gardasil, it is important to know how many had
serious adverse events and how long they were followed for chronic health
problems, such as juvenile arthritis."

According to the Merck product manufacturer insert, there was 1 case of
juvenile arthritis, 2 cases of rheumatoid arthritis, 5 cases of arthritis,
and 1 case of reactive arthritis in 11,813 Gardasil recipients plus 1 case
of lupus and 2 cases of arthritis out of 9,701 participants primarily
receiving an aluminum containing placebo. Clinical trial investigators
dismissed most of the 102 Gardasil and placebo associated serious adverse
events, including 17 deaths, that occurred in the clinical trials as
unrelated.

"There is too little long term safety and efficacy data, especially in
young girls, and too little labeling information on contraindications for
the CDC to recommend Gardasil for universal use, which is a signal for
states to mandate it," said Fisher. "Nobody at Merck, the CDC or FDA know if
the injection of Gardasil into all pre-teen girls - especially
simultaneously with hepatitis B vaccine - will make some of them more likely
to develop arthritis or other inflammatory autoimmune and brain disorders as
teenagers and adults. With cervical cancer causing about one percent of all
cancer deaths in American women due to routine pap screening, it was
inappropriate for the FDA to fast track Gardasil. It is way too early to
direct all young girls to get three doses of a vaccine that has not been
proven safe or effective in their age group."

The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), founded in 1982 by
parents of vaccine injured children, has been a leading critic of
one-size-fits-all mass vaccination policies and the lack of basic science
research into biological mechanisms and high risk factors for
vaccine-induced brain and immune system dysfunction. As a member of the FDA
Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC),
Barbara Loe Fisher urged trials include adequate safety data on
pre-adolescent children and warned against fast tracking Gardasil at the
November 28-29, 2001 VRBPAC meeting
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/cber01.htm#
Vaccines & Related Biological

For references and more information, go to www.nvic.org.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:11 pm    Post subject: Re: MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS Reply with quote

In yet another surprising turn of events, America's largest anti-vaccine
movement has published an article opposing vaccination. Big surprise
there...

john wrote:
Quote:
The FDA allowed Merck to use a potentially reactive aluminum containing
placebo as a control for most trial participants, rather than a non-reactive
saline solution placebo.

This is the most idiotic claim I've ever heard. Anyone who's ever been
involved in a clinical trial, or for that matter, anyone even vaguely
familiar with how science works, knows that the alum-containing placebo
is EXACTLY what you want to use. The whole underlying idea behind the
placebo controls is to give the patient exactly what you're giving to
the people receiving the drug (in this case vaccine) EXCEPT for the
active portion. That way you know any effect you see - be it good or
bad - is due to the active component of the drug, and not due to other
components of the drug. Using saline is the exact opposite of what they
should do - if you're going to use saline as a placebo control then you
may as well not even have controls.


Quote:
A reactive placebo can artificially increase the
appearance of safety of an experimental drug or vaccine in a clinical trial.


How so? It actually makes it more likely that you'll see detrimental
effects, as you're now injecting yet more things, and therefore are more
likely to see other adverse effects.


Quote:
Gardasil contains 225 mcg of aluminum and, although aluminum adjuvants have
been used in vaccines for decades, they were never tested for safety in
clinical trials. Merck and the FDA did not disclose how much aluminum was in
the placebo.


Complete and absolute bullshit. In the 50's and 60's there were
literally hundreds of clinical trials which looked at the use of
aluminum compounds as adjuvents, including looking at the safety of
aluminum. Here a couple of examples:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=5774314&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=4926928&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=5001476&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=7134228&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum

In fact, we know so much about aluminum products as vaccine adjuvents
that they have become the standard, in terms of safety and efficacy,
that we use them as standards by which all new adjuvents are judged:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15622454&query_hl=10&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15696196&query_hl=10&itool=pubmed_docsum



Quote:
Animal and human studies have shown that aluminum adjuvants can cause
brain cell death and that vaccine aluminum adjuvants can allow aluminum to
enter the brain, as well as cause inflammation at the injection site leading
to chronic joint and muscle pain and fatigue.


We've debunked this myth before. The dose and route of administration
of aluminum adjuvents prevents all but a tiny fraction from entering the
brain. In addition, the forms of aluminum which are the most neurotoxic
are not those used in vaccinations:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=9302736&query_hl=17&itool=pubmed_docsum

In fact (and, as we've pointed out before) the only people who
regularily get to toxic levels are people who undergo certain forms of
dialysis, where doses of aluminum thousands of times that used in
vaccines are given:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16722024&query_hl=23&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=10584989&query_hl=23&itool=pubmed_DocSum


Oh, and in animal models neurotoxicity is only seen when aluminum is
injected directly into the brain. And for the record, no vaccine is
given via this route:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11259180&query_hl=23&itool=pubmed_DocSum

For that matter, you'll eat more aluminum in a plate of broccoli then
you'll get from a vaccine...


Quote:
Nearly 90 percent of all
Gardasil recipients and 85 percent of aluminum placebo recipients reported
one or more adverse events within 15 days of vaccination, particularly at
the injection site.


In an unexpected turn of events, poking a hole in the skin caused some
minor problems. GASP, who'd have thunked that? Oh no, my arm is sore,
I've got a degree of fever. And gosh darn it - now I'm not going to die
of cervical cancer. Oh, the infamy!


Quote:
Pain and swelling at injection site and fever occurred
in approximately 83 percent of Gardasil and 73 percent of aluminum placebo
recipients. About 60 percent of those who got Gardasil or the aluminum
placebo had systemic adverse events including headache, fever, nausea,
dizziness, vomiting, diarrhea, myalgia. Gardasil recipients had more serious
adverse events such as headache, gastroenteritis, appendicitis, pelvic
inflammatory disease, asthma, bronchospasm and arthritis.


All of which are better then dieing of cancer, and most of which are
regular side effects of vaccination. I notice that the authors of this
"article" once again are caught in a lie; the cases of gastroenteritis,
appendicitis, pelvic inflammatory disease, asthma, bronchospasm and
arthritis were either pre-existing (i.e. patients had them before the
trial), or occurred at the rate you would expect them to occur in the
general population (i.e. probably not caused by the vaccine).

Phase II trials & follow-ups:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_aset=V-WA-A-W-C-MsSAYVW-UUA-U-AACVAYZEBZ-AACADZDDBZ-EDUUYBWDY-C-U&_rdoc=1&_fmt=full&_udi=B6W85-4FWV2JV-2&_coverDate=05%2F31%2F2005&_cdi=6645&_orig=search&_st=13&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000051253&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=1067480&md5=7a83ef1bcde928d4a8e26f782df35187#SECX7
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TD4-4JYKJS4-1&_user=1067480&_coverDate=07%2F07%2F2006&_alid=418895734&_rdoc=1&_fmt=full&_orig=search&_cdi=5188&_sort=d&_st=12&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000051253&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=1067480&md5=da73f33a1c28dbdef0a73cdb932cfeaf#secx3
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T1B-4JPR7K7-11&_user=1067480&_coverDate=04%2F21%2F2006&_alid=418895734&_rdoc=13&_fmt=summary&_orig=search&_cdi=4886&_sort=d&_st=12&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000051253&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=1067480&md5=f1e58ca21d69780dff71d41e9bc080ad

Furthermore, the phase III results are not yet publically available, so
any conclusions based on the partial results available are immature.



Quote:
"Merck and the FDA do not reveal in public documents exactly how many 9
to 15 year old girls were in the clinical trials, how many of them received
hepatitis B vaccine and Gardasil simultaneously, and how many of them had
serious adverse events after being injected with Gardasil or the aluminum
placebo.


That information will be released when the phase-III trial report is
released. You need only look at the phase II data to see that...


Quote:
For example, if there were fewer than 1,000 little girls actually
injected with three doses of Gardasil, it is important to know how many had
serious adverse events and how long they were followed for chronic health
problems, such as juvenile arthritis."


Which will be published, as it was for the phase II trials. The FDA
would already have had this info before they made their decision.
Unfortunately, due to the peer-review process, the rest of us will have
to wait another 4-6 months (or more) to see these results. Based on the
pahse-II trials, and the published info on the phase-III, we can expect
the mean age to be ~20 years, +/- 5.


Quote:
According to the Merck product manufacturer insert, there was 1 case of
juvenile arthritis,


i.e. 0.0085% of patients. This is actually much less then what you
would expect to see in the general population of under-20-year-olds,
where the rate is 10-20 per 100,000 - i.e. 0.01-0.02%.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15759952&query_hl=43&itool=pubmed_DocSum


Quote:
2 cases of rheumatoid arthritis,


Same as above, only in adults. And the rates of RA in the general
population is much higher than the rates of JA.


Quote:
5 cases of arthritis,


Same as above, although it is difficult to do direct comparisons as we
do not know which forms of arthritis were found.


Quote:
and 1 case of reactive arthritis


It's also important to note that reactive arthritis is a genetic
disease, and that only patients with a specific mutation (HLA-B27) will
get it. And they can get it in response to any inflammatory stimuli -
be it an infection, vaccine, sprain, etc. So saying this is a result of
vaccination is an out-an-out lie. It's a result of genes - it just
happens that one person with this gene happened to end up in the trial.
Speaks to the broadness of the trial. Had Merek wanted to make their
vaccine seem as safe as possible they could have eliminated this patient
from the study. But instead they chose to keep them in.


Quote:
in 11,813 Gardasil recipients plus 1 case
of lupus and 2 cases of arthritis out of 9,701 participants primarily
receiving an aluminum containing placebo.


Both of which occurred at a rate similar to what you would expect in the
general population. Lupus has a rate of ~0.01-0.06% in the general
population. 1:9701 = 0.01%, exactly what you would expect if you were
just looking at the same number of people, but not giving them a thing.

Same is true for arthritis, with the caveat mentioned above.


Quote:
Clinical trial investigators
dismissed most of the 102 Gardasil and placebo associated serious adverse
events, including 17 deaths, that occurred in the clinical trials as
unrelated.


And your proof that the unrelated events were not unrelated is? If they
occur in the trial at the same rate as in the regular population then
you cannot say they were due to the trial. And that is the standard
used - the rates of disease(s) must be higher then that in the
population to say they were caused by the trial.



Quote:

The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), founded in 1982 by
parents of vaccine injured children, has been a leading critic of
one-size-fits-all mass vaccination policies and the lack of basic science
research into biological mechanisms and high risk factors for
vaccine-induced brain and immune system dysfunction.


There is a hell of a lot of work in this area. Just because the
founders of this organization cannot understand it doesn't mean that it
exists.


Quote:
As a member of the FDA
Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC),
Barbara Loe Fisher urged trials include adequate safety data on
pre-adolescent children and warned against fast tracking Gardasil at the
November 28-29, 2001 VRBPAC meeting
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/cber01.htm#

And as a result of her, and other, recommendations the vaccine underwent
another 5 years of testing. Look - the system works!

Bryan
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:50 pm    Post subject: Re: MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS Reply with quote

"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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Complete and absolute bullshit. In the 50's and 60's there were literally
hundreds of clinical trials which looked at the use of aluminum compounds
as adjuvents, including looking at the safety of aluminum. Here a couple
of examples:

You vaccine makers have to believe

Vancouver neuroscientist Chris Shaw shows a link between the aluminum
hydroxide used in vaccines, and symptoms associated with Parkinson's,
amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS, or Lou Gehrig's disease), and Alzheimer's....."This
is suspicious," he told the Georgia Straight in a phone interview from his
lab near Heather Street and West 12th Avenue. "Either this [link] is known
by industry and it was never made public, or industry was never made to do
these studies by Health Canada. I'm not sure which is scarier." Similar
adjuvants are used in the following vaccines, according to Shaw's paper:
hepatitis A and B, and the Pentacel cocktail, which vaccinates against
diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, polio, and a type of meningitis...."No one
in my lab wants to get vaccinated," he said. "This totally creeped us out.
We weren't out there to poke holes in vaccines. But all of a sudden, oh my
God-we've got neuron death!"Another important factor with regard to mercury
on the mind, which officials at the CDC, FDA and the professors in the IOM
do not consider, is synergistic toxicity - mercury's enhanced effect when
other poisons are present. A small dose of mercury that kills 1 in 100 rats
and a dose of aluminum that will kill 1 in 100 rats, when combined have a
striking effect: all the rats die. Doses of mercury that have a 1 percent
mortality will have a 100 percent mortality rate if some aluminum is there.
Vaccines contain aluminum.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:10 pm    Post subject: Re: MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS Reply with quote

john wrote:
Quote:
"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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There is a possible, but unproven, link between aluminum and some
neurological disorders. But the simple reality is that you eat far more
aluminum every day then there is in a vaccine. For that matter, you'll
get far higher blood levels (about 100x) of aluminum from eating just
one antacid tablet then you will for a vaccine. So worrying about the
aluminum in vaccines is kinda silly - they account for only a few
hundred thousandths the aluminum your body will have to deal with over
your life time. Had you bothered to click on the links I provided you'd
have seen a review of those studies.

It's also worth mentioning that the aluminum -> neurological disease
connection is highly controversial. And the reason is simple - the data
in support of the theory is rather weak.

Not that we should be surprised you ignored all that - you go out of
your way to avoid reality. After all, dealing with reality may actually
require you to use your brain.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:35 pm    Post subject: Re: MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS Reply with quote

"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@nospam.ucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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Quote:
john wrote:
"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
news:e80qjl$jmk$1@news.ucalgary.ca...

There is a possible, but unproven, link between aluminum and some
neurological disorders. But the simple reality is that you eat far more
aluminum every day then there is in a vaccine. For that matter, you'll
get far higher blood levels (about 100x) of aluminum from eating just one
antacid tablet then you will for a vaccine. So worrying about the
aluminum in vaccines is kinda silly - they account for only a few hundred
thousandths the aluminum your body will have to deal with over your life
time. Had you bothered to click on the links I provided you'd have seen a
review of those studies.

It's also worth mentioning that the aluminum -> neurological disease
connection is highly controversial. And the reason is simple - the data
in support of the theory is rather weak.

Not that we should be surprised you ignored all that - you go out of your
way to avoid reality. After all, dealing with reality may actually
require you to use your brain.

Bryan

Yeah Bryan, forgive me if I seek an unbiased opinion over yours, you lot
have been using mercury decades after you knew it wasn't safe, and you never
did any safety studies anyway before you put it on the market.

And forgive me if I think injecting it directly into babies is a bit
different to eating it. Not that I believe your --we eat as much every day
line. Is that for babies on breast milk too?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:57 pm    Post subject: Re: MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS Reply with quote

"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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Quote:
Complete and absolute bullshit. In the 50's and 60's there were literally
hundreds of clinical trials which looked at the use of aluminum compounds
as adjuvents, including looking at the safety of aluminum. Here a couple
of examples:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=5774314&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=4926928&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=5001476&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=7134228&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum

Forgive me if I can't see much in those links, only one abstract and that
mentions a titre study.


cine adjuvents
Quote:
that they have become the standard, in terms of safety and efficacy, that
we use them as standards by which all new adjuvents are judged:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15622454&query_hl=10&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15696196&query_hl=10&itool=pubmed_docsum




That was hep b on 18 year olds, not new born babies

And I don't read scientific language normally, so I'd have to get someone
who could to translate it and see if it was bullshit, and seeing as one
estimate put only 1% of peer review papers as scientifically sound the odds
are against this one, then you have to see the source of funding--bound to
be the vaccine companies. Thirdly, titres don't do much for me as they
aren't a measure of immunity http://www.whale.to/vaccines/antibody.html

"Human trials generally correlate "antibody" responses with protection -
that is if the body produces antibodies (proteins) which bind to vaccine
components, then it must be working and safe. Yet Dr March says antibody
response is generally a poor measure of protection and no indicator at all
of safety. "Particularly for viral diseases, the 'cellular' immune response
is all important, and antibody levels and protection are totally
unconnected."--

Quote:
Animal and human studies have shown that aluminum adjuvants can cause
brain cell death and that vaccine aluminum adjuvants can allow aluminum
to
enter the brain, as well as cause inflammation at the injection site
leading
to chronic joint and muscle pain and fatigue.

We've debunked this myth before.

Sure, one guy cured his alzheimer's by giving up laxatives, ie antacids I
believe http://www.whale.to/v/blank_h.html

Quote:
Oh, and in animal models neurotoxicity is only seen when aluminum is
injected directly into the brain. And for the record, no vaccine is given
via this route:

Not directly, but does it matter how long the poison takes to get to your
brain?

"The blood-brain barrier is not intact in infants until at least 6 weeks of
life. This is why a newborn with a fever must be subjected to a spinal tap
to rule out menningitis. Any virus or bacteria that a newborn is exposed to
can go directly to the nervous system. This is why the Hepatitis B vaccine
at birth is so dangerous. Between 1991 and 1999, when the shot contained
thimerisol, giving it at birth would have resulted in mercury crossing into
the brain since the blood-brain barrier was not yet intact. As a nurse, I'm
concerned that this information about the normal timing of a blood-brain
barrier forming is not more readily known. I think this normal delay in the
forming of a blood-brain barrier is an important piece of the puzzle and one
of the reasons for the surge of autism in the 90's."----Mary Barbera RN, MSN

And did any of your supposed studies study the synergy between mercury and
aluminium

"A single vaccine given to a six-pound newborn is the equivalent of giving a
180-pound adult 30 vaccinations on the same day. Include in this the toxic
effects of high levels of aluminum and formaldehyde contained in some
vaccines, and the synergist toxicity could be increased to unknown levels.
Further, it is very well known that infants do not produce significant
levels of bile or have adult renal capacity for several months after birth.
Bilary transport is the major biochemical route by which mercury is removed
from the body, and infants cannot do this very well. They also do not
possess the renal (kidney) capacity to remove aluminum. Additionally,
mercury is a well-known inhibitor of kidney function."--Boyd Haley Ph.D.

Note renal capacity.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:16 pm    Post subject: Re: MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS Reply with quote

"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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Quote:
In yet another surprising turn of events, America's largest anti-vaccine
movement has published an article opposing vaccination. Big surprise
there...


I like this mercury letter, and these extracts especially. Makes me want to
trust waht you say about aluminium, not:

"Thimerosal has been used in vaccines for more than 70 years, but has
never been adequately tested for safety or proven to be safe. The FDA
approved its use by a "grandfather" mechanism that allowed its use
because it was in use before the FDA existed."

"Dr. Kahn's suggestion that multiple studies have demonstrated that
thimerosal in vaccines cause no harm is false. The studies on which Dr.
Kahn presumably relies, population based statistical studies, cannot be
used to disprove an association between thimerosal and
neurodevelopmental disorders, according to Thomas Verstraeten, the
primary CDC author of the principal United States study. Early versions
of the U.S. study, not disclosed to the public but obtained via the
Freedom of Information Act, did show an association between thimerosal
and neurological disorders."



Response to "Don't Ban Thimerosal" by Dr. Laura Kahn in Asbury Park Press
(pasted below)
http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060628/OPINION/606280537/1032 To the Editor: Here is a corrected version of my letter. The earlier version contained some typographical and syntactical errors. ========================================================== To the Editor: Dr. Laura H. Kahn's piece. "Don't Ban Thimerosal". is long on opinion but short on facts. Dr. Kahn suggests that legislation limiting the use of thimerosal in vaccines would impose "unnecessary restrictions" on the availability of an "effective" vaccine. She suggests that pending NJ legislation (A-1324) would cause this restriction. This allegation is a complete distortion of the effect of the legislation. Section 1.d. of the NJ bill provides that higher levels of thimerosal in vaccines may be used in the case of a disease outbreak or vaccine shortage. Thus Dr. Kahn is incorrect to claim that the legislation would restrict availability. The greatest past threat to flu vaccine supply, moreover, that occurred in 2004 when Chiron was required to destroy 50 million contaminated doses of flu vaccines, involved thimerosal-containing vaccines. Limiting thimerosal would not have affected this cause of supply sh
ortage, which implicated thimerosal's effectiveness as an anti-bacterial agent in vaccines. In addition, for years there has been an oversupply of flu vaccine, with manufacturers having to destroy unused doses of vaccine at the end of the flu season. Thus, Dr. Kahn's concern that the NJ legislation would affect supply is misplaced, and overlooks much more serious factors that affect flu vaccine supply. Dr. Kahn wrongheadedly calls the New Jersey proposal "anti-immunization legislation." This gross mischaracterization betrays Dr. Kahn's bias as the New Jersey legislation would not in any way restrict immunization. Rather, the legislation would inspire public confidence in vaccines because mercury, universally recognized as a potent neurotoxin, would be reduced in vaccines. Thimerosal has been used in vaccines for more than 70 years, but has never been adequately tested for safety or proven to be safe. The FDA approved its use by a "grandfather" mechanism that allowed its use because it was in use before the FDA existed. Contrary to Dr. Kahn's assertion, vaccine manufacturers such as Sanofi-Pasteur have categorically stated (by Sanofi spokesperson Len Lavenda) that they can manufact
ure enough doses of thimerosal-reduced vaccine to meet the demand for use in children and pregnant women. In the United States distribution using single dose vials or syringes is, therefore, not an issue. The cost would only be pennies greater than current cost; surely a cost of pennies per dose is worthwhile when the safety of our children is in question. Dr. Kahn's suggestion that multiple studies have demonstrated that thimerosal in vaccines cause no harm is false. The studies on which Dr. Kahn presumably relies, population based statistical studies, cannot be used to disprove an association between thimerosal and neurodevelopmental disorders, according to Thomas Verstraeten, the primary CDC author of the principal United States study. Early versions of the U.S. study, not disclosed to the public but obtained via the Freedom of Information Act, did show an association between thimerosal and neurological disorders. Other studies that vaccine promoters like Dr. Kahn choose to ignore do show an association between thimerosal-containing vaccines and neurodevelopmental disorders. Even the Institute of Medicine's ("IOM") report on this subject could not rule out the possibility that
mercury might cause problems in subsets of children, and the authors of that review stated that mercury causes neurological and immune problems. The IOM has reported that the link between thimerosal-containing vaccines and neurodevelopmental disorders is "biologically plausible." No one who supports the limitation of mercury in New Jersey's vaccines suggests that flu vaccines should be banned, as Dr. Kahn misleadingly suggests, What we who are concerned about vaccine safety for our children want is safe and responsible vaccination by elimination or reduction of mercury in solutions that are injected into children and pregnant women. To say, as does Dr. Kahn, that reducing avoidable mercury exposure via vaccines is "bad public health policy" is recklessly irresponsible, when recent studies (Palmer , Windham) clearly show an association between mercury and autism spectrum disorders. In the interest of the health of our children and safe vaccination practice urge your Assembly members to vote yes on A- 1324. Robert J. Krakow, Esq. Parent President, A-CHAMP Advocates for Children's Health Affected by Mercury Poisoning www.a-champ.org 2001 Marcus Avenue, Suite N125 Lake Success, NY 11
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:23 pm    Post subject: Re: MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS Reply with quote

john wrote:
Quote:
"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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Complete and absolute bullshit. In the 50's and 60's there were literally
hundreds of clinical trials which looked at the use of aluminum compounds
as adjuvents, including looking at the safety of aluminum. Here a couple
of examples:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=5774314&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=4926928&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=5001476&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=7134228&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum


Forgive me if I can't see much in those links, only one abstract and that
mentions a titre study.


And as I've always stated - ask for any article you want and I'll
forward you the PDF. That offer is always open; even for unrelated
articles you may be interested in. Others have taken advantage of this
offer in the past - why haven't you?


Quote:
And I don't read scientific language normally,

And yet you regularly proclaim your expertise in all sorts of scientific
areas! So there you have it - John has claimed here, in front of all,
that he is personally incapable of understanding science!

Quote:
so I'd have to get someone
who could to translate it and see if it was bullshit, and seeing as one
estimate put only 1% of peer review papers as scientifically sound the odds
are against this one, then you have to see the source of funding--bound to
be the vaccine companies. Thirdly, titres don't do much for me as they
aren't a measure of immunity http://www.whale.to/vaccines/antibody.html

Given that you've admitted to not understanding science I guess we can
excuse your confusion as to what titers mean, and what we use them as a
measure for. All titer tells you is that your body has responded to the
vaccine in such a manner as to produce antibodies. It's a simple test
which confirms that you're immune system has responded to the vaccine in
an appropriate manner.



Quote:
"Human trials generally correlate "antibody" responses with protection -
that is if the body produces antibodies (proteins) which bind to vaccine
components, then it must be working and safe. Yet Dr March says antibody
response is generally a poor measure of protection and no indicator at all
of safety. "Particularly for viral diseases, the 'cellular' immune response
is all important, and antibody levels and protection are totally
unconnected."--

This is a gross distortion of the truth. Firstly, antibodies are
essential in anti-viral responses. The neutralize viruses which are
floating around free in the blood and tissues, and can also kill cells
which are infected with the virus.

Secondly, in order to get antibodies produced against anything, aside
from a very small group of special bacterial antigens, you must first
have activation of the cellular immune response - the very immune
response which Dr March points out (correctly) is required for proper
anti-viral responses. You simply do not get antibody responses without
this occurring first. You can read more on this in any immunology text,
or by searching the web for "b-cell activation". Here's a start:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bv.fcgi?rid=imm.section.1183


Quote:


Animal and human studies have shown that aluminum adjuvants can cause
brain cell death and that vaccine aluminum adjuvants can allow aluminum
to
enter the brain, as well as cause inflammation at the injection site
leading
to chronic joint and muscle pain and fatigue.


We've debunked this myth before.


Sure, one guy cured his alzheimer's by giving up laxatives, ie antacids I
believe http://www.whale.to/v/blank_h.html


Laxities and antacids are totally different things, made of entirely
different chemicals. Laxities (usually) contain a mix of fiber and
soap-like chemicals which essentially "lube-up" your digestive tract.
Antacids contain a mix of various basic chemicals which work by reacting
with, and thus neutralizing, stomach acid.

Completely different chemicals, completely different mechanism of
action. Not that we're surprised you don't know the huge difference
between the two.


Quote:


Oh, and in animal models neurotoxicity is only seen when aluminum is
injected directly into the brain. And for the record, no vaccine is given
via this route:


Not directly, but does it matter how long the poison takes to get to your
brain?


Had you read the links I posted you would have seen that the amount
which reaches the brain is very small, as aluminum is readily cleared by
a variety of routes. So by the time your brain has a chance to absorb
some, most of it has already been expelled.


Quote:
And did any of your supposed studies study the synergy between mercury and
aluminium

Yep, we've covered that before in the mercury papers. The issue of
potential synergy was well covered by those studies.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:36 pm    Post subject: Re: MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS Reply with quote

john wrote:
Quote:
"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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In yet another surprising turn of events, America's largest anti-vaccine
movement has published an article opposing vaccination. Big surprise
there...



I like this mercury letter, and these extracts especially. Makes me want to
trust waht you say about aluminium, not:

Why trust me? I provided you the links, to papers which looked directly
at the safety of aluminum. Once again proving that you have your
beliefs, and will ignore anything which counters them, rather then
dealing with reality. I notice you conveniently cropped them from your
reply...



Quote:
"Thimerosal has been used in vaccines for more than 70 years, but has
never been adequately tested for safety or proven to be safe. The FDA
approved its use by a "grandfather" mechanism that allowed its use
because it was in use before the FDA existed."


And since then it has been scrutinized extensively for safety, both
through correlation studies and experimental studies. I've linked you
to over 25 papers on this subject in past messages. Rather than
repeating myself here I'll direct you to google groups where you can
search for the relevant posts.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:14 am    Post subject: Re: MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS Reply with quote

"john" <sc@nospam.com> wrote:

Quote:


E-NEWS FROM THE NATIONAL VACCINE INFORMATION CENTER
Vienna, Virginia http://www.nvic.org

============================================================================
for immediate release

June 27, 2006


MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS
National Vaccine Information Center Criticizes FDA for Fast Tracking
Licensure

Why does Barbara Loe Fisher hate women and girls so much? Why does she
want to see them dying of cancer of the cervix? How many dead women in
a pile would it take to make her happy? (We already know that a pile
of dead children as high as Everest would still not be enough for her.
I am talking about adult women now.)

<snip crap from someone wanting women to die a nasty death>
--
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:02 am    Post subject: Re: MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS Reply with quote

"Peter Bowditch" wrote:
Quote:
"john" <sc@nospam.com> wrote:



E-NEWS FROM THE NATIONAL VACCINE INFORMATION CENTER
Vienna, Virginia http://www.nvic.org

============================================================================
for immediate release

June 27, 2006


MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS
National Vaccine Information Center Criticizes FDA for Fast Tracking
Licensure

<snip>
Quote:

snip crap from someone wanting women to die a nasty death
--
Peter Bowditch

E-NEWS FROM THE NATIONAL VACCINE INFORMATION CENTER
Vienna, Virginia http://www.nvic.org

============================================================================
for immediate release

June 27, 2006


MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS
National Vaccine Information Center Criticizes FDA for Fast Tracking
Licensure

Washington, D.C. - The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) is
calling on the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) to
just say "no" on June 29 to recommending "universal use" of Merck's Gardasil
vaccine in all pre-adolescent girls. NVIC maintains that Merck's clinical
trials did not prove the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine designed to
prevent cervical cancer and genital warts is safe to give to young girls.

"Merck and the FDA have not been completely honest with the people about
the pre-licensure clinical trials," said NVIC president Barbara Loe Fisher.
"Merck's pre and post-licensure marketing strategy has positioned mass use
of this vaccine by pre-teens as a morality play in order to avoid talking
about the flawed science they used to get it licensed. This is not just
about teenagers having sex, it is also about whether Gardasil has been
proven safe and effective for little girls."

The FDA allowed Merck to use a potentially reactive aluminum containing
placebo as a control for most trial participants, rather than a non-reactive
saline solution placebo. A reactive placebo can artificially increase the
appearance of safety of an experimental drug or vaccine in a clinical trial.
Gardasil contains 225 mcg of aluminum and, although aluminum adjuvants have
been used in vaccines for decades, they were never tested for safety in
clinical trials. Merck and the FDA did not disclose how much aluminum was in
the placebo.

Animal and human studies have shown that aluminum adjuvants can cause
brain cell death and that vaccine aluminum adjuvants can allow aluminum to
enter the brain, as well as cause inflammation at the injection site leading
to chronic joint and muscle pain and fatigue. Nearly 90 percent of all
Gardasil recipients and 85 percent of aluminum placebo recipients reported
one or more adverse events within 15 days of vaccination, particularly at
the injection site. Pain and swelling at injection site and fever occurred
in approximately 83 percent of Gardasil and 73 percent of aluminum placebo
recipients. About 60 percent of those who got Gardasil or the aluminum
placebo had systemic adverse events including headache, fever, nausea,
dizziness, vomiting, diarrhea, myalgia. Gardasil recipients had more serious
adverse events such as headache, gastroenteritis, appendicitis, pelvic
inflammatory disease, asthma, bronchospasm and arthritis.

"Merck and the FDA do not reveal in public documents exactly how many 9
to 15 year old girls were in the clinical trials, how many of them received
hepatitis B vaccine and Gardasil simultaneously, and how many of them had
serious adverse events after being injected with Gardasil or the aluminum
placebo. For example, if there were fewer than 1,000 little girls actually
injected with three doses of Gardasil, it is important to know how many had
serious adverse events and how long they were followed for chronic health
problems, such as juvenile arthritis."

According to the Merck product manufacturer insert, there was 1 case of
juvenile arthritis, 2 cases of rheumatoid arthritis, 5 cases of arthritis,
and 1 case of reactive arthritis in 11,813 Gardasil recipients plus 1 case
of lupus and 2 cases of arthritis out of 9,701 participants primarily
receiving an aluminum containing placebo. Clinical trial investigators
dismissed most of the 102 Gardasil and placebo associated serious adverse
events, including 17 deaths, that occurred in the clinical trials as
unrelated.

"There is too little long term safety and efficacy data, especially in
young girls, and too little labeling information on contraindications for
the CDC to recommend Gardasil for universal use, which is a signal for
states to mandate it," said Fisher. "Nobody at Merck, the CDC or FDA know if
the injection of Gardasil into all pre-teen girls - especially
simultaneously with hepatitis B vaccine - will make some of them more likely
to develop arthritis or other inflammatory autoimmune and brain disorders as
teenagers and adults. With cervical cancer causing about one percent of all
cancer deaths in American women due to routine pap screening, it was
inappropriate for the FDA to fast track Gardasil. It is way too early to
direct all young girls to get three doses of a vaccine that has not been
proven safe or effective in their age group."

The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), founded in 1982 by
parents of vaccine injured children, has been a leading critic of
one-size-fits-all mass vaccination policies and the lack of basic science
research into biological mechanisms and high risk factors for
vaccine-induced brain and immune system dysfunction. As a member of the FDA
Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC),
Barbara Loe Fisher urged trials include adequate safety data on
pre-adolescent children and warned against fast tracking Gardasil at the
November 28-29, 2001 VRBPAC meeting
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/cber01.htm#
Vaccines & Related Biological

For references and more information, go to www.nvic.org.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:44 am    Post subject: Re: MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS Reply with quote

"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Why does Barbara Loe Fisher hate women and girls so much? Why does she
want to see them dying of cancer of the cervix? How many dead women in
a pile would it take to make her happy? (We already know that a pile
of dead children as high as Everest would still not be enough for her.
I am talking about adult women now.)


Message to moron: It doesn't work, like all the other vaccines
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:53 am    Post subject: Re: MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS Reply with quote

"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

Why does Barbara Loe Fisher <snip crap

get some more http://www.whale.to/m/fisher9.html
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:40 pm    Post subject: Re: MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS Reply with quote

Jan Drew wrote:
Quote:
"Peter Bowditch" wrote:
"john" <sc@nospam.com> wrote:


E-NEWS FROM THE NATIONAL VACCINE INFORMATION CENTER
Vienna, Virginia http://www.nvic.org

============================================================================
for immediate release

June 27, 2006


MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS
National Vaccine Information Center Criticizes FDA for Fast Tracking
Licensure

snip
snip crap from someone wanting women to die a nasty death
--
Peter Bowditch

Thanks, Jan, for reposting the crap from the child and women hater.

Quote:
E-NEWS FROM THE NATIONAL VACCINE INFORMATION CENTER
Vienna, Virginia http://www.nvic.org

============================================================================
for immediate release

June 27, 2006


MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS
National Vaccine Information Center Criticizes FDA for Fast Tracking
Licensure

Washington, D.C. - The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) is
calling on the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) to
just say "no" on June 29 to recommending "universal use" of Merck's Gardasil
vaccine in all pre-adolescent girls. NVIC maintains that Merck's clinical
trials did not prove the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine designed to
prevent cervical cancer and genital warts is safe to give to young girls.

"Merck and the FDA have not been completely honest with the people about
the pre-licensure clinical trials," said NVIC president Barbara Loe Fisher.
"Merck's pre and post-licensure marketing strategy has positioned mass use
of this vaccine by pre-teens as a morality play in order to avoid talking
about the flawed science they used to get it licensed. This is not just
about teenagers having sex, it is also about whether Gardasil has been
proven safe and effective for little girls."

The FDA allowed Merck to use a potentially reactive aluminum containing
placebo as a control for most trial participants, rather than a non-reactive
saline solution placebo. A reactive placebo can artificially increase the
appearance of safety of an experimental drug or vaccine in a clinical trial.
Gardasil contains 225 mcg of aluminum and, although aluminum adjuvants have
been used in vaccines for decades, they were never tested for safety in
clinical trials. Merck and the FDA did not disclose how much aluminum was in
the placebo.

Animal and human studies have shown that aluminum adjuvants can cause
brain cell death and that vaccine aluminum adjuvants can allow aluminum to
enter the brain, as well as cause inflammation at the injection site leading
to chronic joint and muscle pain and fatigue. Nearly 90 percent of all
Gardasil recipients and 85 percent of aluminum placebo recipients reported
one or more adverse events within 15 days of vaccination, particularly at
the injection site. Pain and swelling at injection site and fever occurred
in approximately 83 percent of Gardasil and 73 percent of aluminum placebo
recipients. About 60 percent of those who got Gardasil or the aluminum
placebo had systemic adverse events including headache, fever, nausea,
dizziness, vomiting, diarrhea, myalgia. Gardasil recipients had more serious
adverse events such as headache, gastroenteritis, appendicitis, pelvic
inflammatory disease, asthma, bronchospasm and arthritis.

"Merck and the FDA do not reveal in public documents exactly how many 9
to 15 year old girls were in the clinical trials, how many of them received
hepatitis B vaccine and Gardasil simultaneously, and how many of them had
serious adverse events after being injected with Gardasil or the aluminum
placebo. For example, if there were fewer than 1,000 little girls actually
injected with three doses of Gardasil, it is important to know how many had
serious adverse events and how long they were followed for chronic health
problems, such as juvenile arthritis."

According to the Merck product manufacturer insert, there was 1 case of
juvenile arthritis, 2 cases of rheumatoid arthritis, 5 cases of arthritis,
and 1 case of reactive arthritis in 11,813 Gardasil recipients plus 1 case
of lupus and 2 cases of arthritis out of 9,701 participants primarily
receiving an aluminum containing placebo. Clinical trial investigators
dismissed most of the 102 Gardasil and placebo associated serious adverse
events, including 17 deaths, that occurred in the clinical trials as
unrelated.

"There is too little long term safety and efficacy data, especially in
young girls, and too little labeling information on contraindications for
the CDC to recommend Gardasil for universal use, which is a signal for
states to mandate it," said Fisher. "Nobody at Merck, the CDC or FDA know if
the injection of Gardasil into all pre-teen girls - especially
simultaneously with hepatitis B vaccine - will make some of them more likely
to develop arthritis or other inflammatory autoimmune and brain disorders as
teenagers and adults. With cervical cancer causing about one percent of all
cancer deaths in American women due to routine pap screening, it was
inappropriate for the FDA to fast track Gardasil. It is way too early to
direct all young girls to get three doses of a vaccine that has not been
proven safe or effective in their age group."

The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), founded in 1982 by
parents of vaccine injured children, has been a leading critic of
one-size-fits-all mass vaccination policies and the lack of basic science
research into biological mechanisms and high risk factors for
vaccine-induced brain and immune system dysfunction. As a member of the FDA
Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC),
Barbara Loe Fisher urged trials include adequate safety data on
pre-adolescent children and warned against fast tracking Gardasil at the
November 28-29, 2001 VRBPAC meeting
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/cber01.htm#
Vaccines & Related Biological

For references and more information, go to www.nvic.org.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:53 pm    Post subject: Re: MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS Reply with quote

john wrote:
Quote:

Yeah Bryan, forgive me if I seek an unbiased opinion over yours, you lot
have been using mercury decades after you knew it wasn't safe,


Mercury is not the same as thermosil; no more then table salt is
chlorine gas. Unfortunately, understanding that extremely simple
concept appears to be beyond you, so we shouldn't be surprised that you
are unable to understand the difference.


Quote:
and you never
did any safety studies anyway before you put it on the market.

Hundreds have been done and they all say the same thing - safe. Had you
read even a single of the multitude of links I posted you'd have seen
that. But then again, you'd actually have to think if you were to read
anything other then whale.to, so we shouldn't be surprised you choose to
ignore everything else...



Quote:
And forgive me if I think injecting it directly into babies is a bit
different to eating it. Not that I believe your --we eat as much every day
line.


I posted the relevant links in my last post. Here they are again, plus
a few extras:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11259180&query_hl=7&itool=pubmed_DocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14583063&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_DocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12851164&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_DocSum


Quote:
Is that for babies on breast milk too?

Sure as hell is - aluminum is found in milk of all sources; even soy:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=abstractplus&list_uids=10211184&query_hl=12&itool=pubmed_docsum

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