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Mr-Natural-Health
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My history of the development of natural health, now has a definite end
point in sight.
Food Faddism in America that took place during the turn of the 20th
century is the immediate birth place of natural health, without a
doubt.
John Harvey Kellogg, MD with his "biological living" at the Battle
Creek Sanitarium and his emphasis on diet is probably the first person
that should be clearly associated with natural health. Kellogg also
promoted physical exercise. Concern with physical culture was likewise
developing around this time period. The concern with eating wholesome
food continued to develop into an interest in vitamins around the World
War I period.
Rather than being associated with a physician-patent relationship like
naturopathy, natural hygiene, and homeopathy; natural health had a
distinctive commercial retail connection to the commercial sale of
health foods products (such as, corn flakes) and vitamin supplements.
Of course, nature health since its birth has had a lot of time to
develop and grow into something beyond food faddism. But, natural
health is now probably more closely associated with taking vitamin
supplements than it is with eating health foods products.
Now, it only a matter of finding the time to put it down in writing.
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outsor@citynet.net
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I see you include 'Andrew Weil, M.D.' among the "good guys" in "natural
health". By pure chance randi has a section from his blog on weil, just
another perspective:
http://www.randi.org/jr/2006-06/062306follow.html#i1 |
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outsor@citynet.net wrote:
: I see you include 'Andrew Weil, M.D.' among the "good guys" in
: "natural health". By pure chance randi has a section from his blog
: on weil, just another perspective:
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: http://www.randi.org/jr/2006-06/062306follow.html#i1
Dogs bark, but the caravan rolls on. Randi is one of those dogs.
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Mr-Natural-Health
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outsor@citynet.net wrote:
You can shove randi up your a-Hole, A-hole.
Who says so? I do. If I don't, who would? |
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TC
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Kellogg had nothing to do with health and everything to do with
profiteering from idiots who think that he has something to do with
health. Gohdiot.
TC
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
| Quote: | My history of the development of natural health, now has a definite end
point in sight.
Food Faddism in America that took place during the turn of the 20th
century is the immediate birth place of natural health, without a
doubt.
John Harvey Kellogg, MD with his "biological living" at the Battle
Creek Sanitarium and his emphasis on diet is probably the first person
that should be clearly associated with natural health. Kellogg also
promoted physical exercise. Concern with physical culture was likewise
developing around this time period. The concern with eating wholesome
food continued to develop into an interest in vitamins around the World
War I period.
Rather than being associated with a physician-patent relationship like
naturopathy, natural hygiene, and homeopathy; natural health had a
distinctive commercial retail connection to the commercial sale of
health foods products (such as, corn flakes) and vitamin supplements.
Of course, nature health since its birth has had a lot of time to
develop and grow into something beyond food faddism. But, natural
health is now probably more closely associated with taking vitamin
supplements than it is with eating health foods products.
Now, it only a matter of finding the time to put it down in writing.
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http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/definition.html |
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Mr-Natural-Health
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TC wrote:
| Quote: | Kellogg had nothing to do with health and everything to do with
profiteering from idiots who think that he has something to do with
health.
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Kellogg was before his time. He was a wellness pioneer.
You do NOT have an excuse, TC.
Just thought that you might want to know.
| Quote: | Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
My history of the development of natural health, now has a definite end
point in sight.
Food Faddism in America that took place during the turn of the 20th
century is the immediate birth place of natural health, without a
doubt.
John Harvey Kellogg, MD with his "biological living" at the Battle
Creek Sanitarium and his emphasis on diet is probably the first person
that should be clearly associated with natural health. Kellogg also
promoted physical exercise. Concern with physical culture was likewise
developing around this time period. The concern with eating wholesome
food continued to develop into an interest in vitamins around the World
War I period.
Rather than being associated with a physician-patent relationship like
naturopathy, natural hygiene, and homeopathy; natural health had a
distinctive commercial retail connection to the commercial sale of
health foods products (such as, corn flakes) and vitamin supplements.
Of course, nature health since its birth has had a lot of time to
develop and grow into something beyond food faddism. But, natural
health is now probably more closely associated with taking vitamin
supplements than it is with eating health foods products.
Now, it only a matter of finding the time to put it down in writing.
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http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/definition.html |
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TC
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Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
| Quote: | TC wrote:
Kellogg had nothing to do with health and everything to do with
profiteering from idiots who think that he has something to do with
health.
Kellogg was before his time. He was a wellness pioneer.
You do NOT have an excuse, TC.
Just thought that you might want to know.
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Read this:
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/KelPlai.html
and tell me about what a genius he was.
The man was an abject idiot like you.
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Mr-Natural-Health
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TC wrote:
| Quote: | Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
TC wrote:
Kellogg had nothing to do with health and everything to do with
profiteering from idiots who think that he has something to do with
health.
Kellogg was before his time. He was a wellness pioneer.
You do NOT have an excuse, TC.
Just thought that you might want to know.
Read this:
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/KelPlai.html
and tell me about what a genius he was.
The man was an abject idiot like you.
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Precisely, what I was looking for!!! Thanks.
John Harvey Kellogg was was a pioneer in the wellness movement. That
does NOT mean that he was right in everything or even in most of what
he advocated.
He advocated diet and exercise as a way to improve your health. He
served at the Sans and sold corn flakes through the mail as a health
food. Was associated with the Seventh Day Adventist Church and
vegetarianism. Besides running a very financially successful health
spa, he was a MD. And, a prolific writer.
Kellogg apparently was the first to have sold "health food." What in
the heck do you think that natural health is about if it is not about
the marketing and selling of health foods and vitamins?
He was a historic figure, in the birth of Natural Health, ... Moron.
What else do you think that I am talking about?
Boy are you dumb! You have my condolences. |
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msamson11975@yahoo.ca
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Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
| Quote: | Boy are you dumb! You have my condolences.
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No, YOU are the one that is dumb, moron. Kellogg was a piece of crap
that is responsible for the gross obesity, sickness, and death of
millions of people. Get over it. |
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Mr-Natural-Health
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TC wrote:
| Quote: | Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
TC wrote:
Kellogg had nothing to do with health and everything to do with
profiteering from idiots who think that he has something to do with
health.
Kellogg was before his time. He was a wellness pioneer.
You do NOT have an excuse, TC.
Just thought that you might want to know.
Read this:
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/KelPlai.html
and tell me about what a genius he was.
The man was an abject idiot like you.
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Some Sayings of Kellogg, John Harvey, 1852-1943
This book is obviously not the best choice for studying Kellogg.
However, the last two chapters do make a good start.
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=KelPlai.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=25&division=div1
"AS a man eateth, so is he."
"AN unstimulating, abstemious diet is the strongest of all the allies
of virtue."
The push for eating a healthy diet did not come from scientific
research or from the American Heart Association during the 19th Century
in America, but from some religions, such as the Seventh Day
Adventists, which pushed a vegetarian diet as a means of controlling a
person's animal passions.
And, YES the sex connection to vegetarianism is well established. So,
what is your problem, TC. Do you like to masterbate? Hung up on sex?
Over time, scientific research would prove that the diet of the Seventh
Day Adventists was a longevity diet. And, that vegetarianism was on
the right track in regards to a healthy die.
"QUACKS thrive upon the ignorance and gullibility of the people. The
only remedy for quackery lies in the education of the people in those
medical facts and theories, which will lead them to see that there is a
scientific foundation for rational medical practice."
"WHEN we hear a man extolling this or that remedy for disease, and
claiming that he has been cured in some magical way of a disorder
generally conceded to be incurable, let us remember that there is a
very great difference between being well and feeling well. There is a
very large class of remedies the sole effect of which is to make a sick
man feel better, but which have no real influence upon the progress of
a disease, unless it be to hasten it by using up the patient's
vitality, and deluding him into foolish expenditures of strength under
the belief that he is well, when he is really no better, but only feels
better.
"Coffee Poisoning. -- A leading French journal calls attention to
twenty-three cases of chronic caffeism. These were the leading symptoms
noticed: Loss of appetite, inability to sleep, trembling of the lips
and tongue, dyspepsia, neuralgia, pain in the stomach, giddiness,
convulsions, and obstinate constipation. The coffee drunkard has thin
features, drawn and wrinkled face, and a grayish yellow complexion. His
sleep is troubled with anxious dreams. His pulse is weak, frequent, and
compressible. This same writer asserts that evil effects upon the eyes
and ears of people are more frequent from coffee than from tobacco or
alcohol. It does not absolutely destroy vision or hearing, but it
induces very annoying functional troubles. That coffee is the efficient
agent, appears from the fact that, upon the entire discontinuance of
its use, the symptoms complained of disappear."
"Diet for Diabetics. -- All physicians of experience are agreed that in
the treatment of this disease, by far the most important measure is the
regulation of the diet. Sugar, starch, and all foods containing them,
should be, as far as possible, excluded from the dietary. This requires
that the patient should abstain from the use of sugar in any form, from
bread, potatoes, peas, beans, rice, oatmeal, corn-meal, and other
grains, chestnuts, and all other farinaceous articles of food. Sweet
fruits also must be avoided with equal care. The diet should consist
chiefly of meat of different kinds, including fowl. Greens, green
beans, lettuce, yellow beets, asparagus, cucumbers, and radishes may
also be eaten. Most acid fruits may be taken in moderate quantities,
such as lemons, oranges, strawberries, peaches, and currants. In many
cases skim-milk, sour milk, or buttermilk may be taken without
increasing the proportion of sugar, and hence without injury. Several
eminent physicians claim to have cured a number of cases of this
disease by means of an exclusive milk diet, the patient being confined
to this one article of food for several weeks. The milk should be
carefully skimmed. The quantity required per day is from two to three
quarts. By the employment of a diet free from sugar or starch, sugar
may in many cases be made to disappear from the urine. When this is the
case, it may be looked upon as a very favorable indication, and often
so long as the patient continues to abstain from those kinds of food
which occasion the production of sugar, the disease will be held in
check. Many so-called gluten flours and gluten breads are manufactured
and sold to persons suffering from this disease, which are shown by
chemical analysis to contain no more gluten than the best whole-wheat
flour. It is, in fact, impossible to make a flour which will contain
much more than the ordinary percentage of gluten obtained in
whole-wheat flour, as it is impossible to separate the starch and the
gluten by any process of milling. The Sanitarium Health Food Co., of
Battle Creek, Michigan, are the only manufacturers of pure gluten with
whom we are acquainted in this country. The gluten manufactured by them
has for many years been largely used for diabetics, with excellent
results."
These are hardly the writings of an idiot.
Who says so? I do.  |
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TC
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Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
| Quote: | TC wrote:
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
TC wrote:
Kellogg had nothing to do with health and everything to do with
profiteering from idiots who think that he has something to do with
health.
Kellogg was before his time. He was a wellness pioneer.
You do NOT have an excuse, TC.
Just thought that you might want to know.
Read this:
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/KelPlai.html
and tell me about what a genius he was.
The man was an abject idiot like you.
Some Sayings of Kellogg, John Harvey, 1852-1943
This book is obviously not the best choice for studying Kellogg.
However, the last two chapters do make a good start.
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=KelPlai.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=25&division=div1
"AS a man eateth, so is he."
"AN unstimulating, abstemious diet is the strongest of all the allies
of virtue."
The push for eating a healthy diet did not come from scientific
research or from the American Heart Association during the 19th Century
in America, but from some religions, such as the Seventh Day
Adventists, which pushed a vegetarian diet as a means of controlling a
person's animal passions.
And, YES the sex connection to vegetarianism is well established. So,
what is your problem, TC. Do you like to masterbate? Hung up on sex?
Over time, scientific research would prove that the diet of the Seventh
Day Adventists was a longevity diet. And, that vegetarianism was on
the right track in regards to a healthy die.
"QUACKS thrive upon the ignorance and gullibility of the people. The
only remedy for quackery lies in the education of the people in those
medical facts and theories, which will lead them to see that there is a
scientific foundation for rational medical practice."
"WHEN we hear a man extolling this or that remedy for disease, and
claiming that he has been cured in some magical way of a disorder
generally conceded to be incurable, let us remember that there is a
very great difference between being well and feeling well. There is a
very large class of remedies the sole effect of which is to make a sick
man feel better, but which have no real influence upon the progress of
a disease, unless it be to hasten it by using up the patient's
vitality, and deluding him into foolish expenditures of strength under
the belief that he is well, when he is really no better, but only feels
better.
"Coffee Poisoning. -- A leading French journal calls attention to
twenty-three cases of chronic caffeism. These were the leading symptoms
noticed: Loss of appetite, inability to sleep, trembling of the lips
and tongue, dyspepsia, neuralgia, pain in the stomach, giddiness,
convulsions, and obstinate constipation. The coffee drunkard has thin
features, drawn and wrinkled face, and a grayish yellow complexion. His
sleep is troubled with anxious dreams. His pulse is weak, frequent, and
compressible. This same writer asserts that evil effects upon the eyes
and ears of people are more frequent from coffee than from tobacco or
alcohol. It does not absolutely destroy vision or hearing, but it
induces very annoying functional troubles. That coffee is the efficient
agent, appears from the fact that, upon the entire discontinuance of
its use, the symptoms complained of disappear."
"Diet for Diabetics. -- All physicians of experience are agreed that in
the treatment of this disease, by far the most important measure is the
regulation of the diet. Sugar, starch, and all foods containing them,
should be, as far as possible, excluded from the dietary. This requires
that the patient should abstain from the use of sugar in any form, from
bread, potatoes, peas, beans, rice, oatmeal, corn-meal, and other
grains, chestnuts, and all other farinaceous articles of food. Sweet
fruits also must be avoided with equal care. The diet should consist
chiefly of meat of different kinds, including fowl. Greens, green
beans, lettuce, yellow beets, asparagus, cucumbers, and radishes may
also be eaten. Most acid fruits may be taken in moderate quantities,
such as lemons, oranges, strawberries, peaches, and currants. In many
cases skim-milk, sour milk, or buttermilk may be taken without
increasing the proportion of sugar, and hence without injury. Several
eminent physicians claim to have cured a number of cases of this
disease by means of an exclusive milk diet, the patient being confined
to this one article of food for several weeks. The milk should be
carefully skimmed. The quantity required per day is from two to three
quarts. By the employment of a diet free from sugar or starch, sugar
may in many cases be made to disappear from the urine. When this is the
case, it may be looked upon as a very favorable indication, and often
so long as the patient continues to abstain from those kinds of food
which occasion the production of sugar, the disease will be held in
check. Many so-called gluten flours and gluten breads are manufactured
and sold to persons suffering from this disease, which are shown by
chemical analysis to contain no more gluten than the best whole-wheat
flour. It is, in fact, impossible to make a flour which will contain
much more than the ordinary percentage of gluten obtained in
whole-wheat flour, as it is impossible to separate the starch and the
gluten by any process of milling. The Sanitarium Health Food Co., of
Battle Creek, Michigan, are the only manufacturers of pure gluten with
whom we are acquainted in this country. The gluten manufactured by them
has for many years been largely used for diabetics, with excellent
results."
These are hardly the writings of an idiot.
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It is of no surprise to us that you find something in his writings to
revere. You and Kellogg have a lot in common. And the fact that you do
find him a source of inspiration makes a lot of sense, considering your
abject stupidity, your completely misplaced belief that you are always
right, and your and Kellogg's willingness to make up nonsencsical
claptrap in spite of scientific and common-sensical evidence to the
contrary.
But you realize that if you truly idolize this moron, you will have to
give up masturbating. Now what are you going to do with your long
boring toothless brain-damaged malnourished days?
TC |
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Mr-Natural-Health
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TC wrote:
| Quote: | It is of no surprise to us that you find something in his writings to
revere. You and Kellogg have a lot in common. And the fact that you do
find him a source of inspiration makes a lot of sense, considering your
abject stupidity, your completely misplaced belief that you are always
right, and your and Kellogg's willingness to make up nonsencsical
claptrap in spite of scientific and common-sensical evidence to the
contrary.
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Perhaps, if you concentrated? J H Kellogg was a key historic figure in
the birth of natural health.
I realize that I am using concepts beyond the intellectual capacity of
High-Carbs people, but if you were to apply yourself? Perhaps, in
another year you would have achieved the wisdom of a chimp?
You have my condolences. |
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TC
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| Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:10 pm Post subject:
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Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
| Quote: | TC wrote:
It is of no surprise to us that you find something in his writings to
revere. You and Kellogg have a lot in common. And the fact that you do
find him a source of inspiration makes a lot of sense, considering your
abject stupidity, your completely misplaced belief that you are always
right, and your and Kellogg's willingness to make up nonsencsical
claptrap in spite of scientific and common-sensical evidence to the
contrary.
Perhaps, if you concentrated? J H Kellogg was a key historic figure in
the birth of natural health.
I realize that I am using concepts beyond the intellectual capacity of
High-Carbs people, but if you were to apply yourself? Perhaps, in
another year you would have achieved the wisdom of a chimp?
You have my condolences.
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He was as much an "historic figure in the birth of natural health" as
the RC church was key in discovering that the planets revolved around
the sun. And the RC church thought they were completely correct in
spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary as well. And they had
the same holier-than-thou attitude in the face of overwhelming evidence
against them as you and Kellogg. Even a broken clock is right twice a
day.
You and Kellogg share the same attitude and complete lack of
credibility.
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msamson11975@yahoo.ca
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| Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:04 pm Post subject:
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TC wrote:
| Quote: | He was as much an "historic figure in the birth of natural health" as
the RC church was key in discovering that the planets revolved around
the sun. And the RC church thought they were completely correct in
spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary as well. And they had
the same holier-than-thou attitude in the face of overwhelming evidence
against them as you and Kellogg. Even a broken clock is right twice a
day.
You and Kellogg share the same attitude and complete lack of
credibility.
TC
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Extremely well put. I agree completely. Not to mention the fact that
mr. natural's website is a complete joke. |
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jt
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| Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject:
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On 27 Jun 2006 15:04:43 -0700, "msamson11975@yahoo.ca"
<msamson11975@yahoo.ca> wrote:
| Quote: | Not to mention the fact that mr. natural's website is a complete joke.
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So is TC. |
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