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Roy Starrin medicine forum beginner
Joined: 30 Sep 2005
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject:
Corrective Procedure 06/16/06
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After several consultations, much discussion with y'all, and lots of
prayer, we are going to use Supralase
( www.firstcolonialeyecenter.com/content.htm ) on Friday to correct
the astigmatism induced by a misplaced LRI which was done to OD
during cataract surgery 12/05.
Resultant current OD vision +0.75/-3.00/99
When I feel like getting back at the PC over the weekend, will cut
y'all in on how it went.
Thanks again for your support
Roy |
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Neil Brooks medicine forum Guru
Joined: 24 Mar 2005
Posts: 1148
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject:
Re: Corrective Procedure 06/16/06
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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:43:20 GMT, Roy Starrin <starrin@verizon.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | After several consultations, much discussion with y'all, and lots of
prayer, we are going to use Supralase
( www.firstcolonialeyecenter.com/content.htm ) on Friday to correct
the astigmatism induced by a misplaced LRI which was done to OD
during cataract surgery 12/05.
Resultant current OD vision +0.75/-3.00/99
When I feel like getting back at the PC over the weekend, will cut
y'all in on how it went.
Thanks again for your support
Roy
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Best of luck, Roy. Not an easy decision, I'm sure. |
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Odis S. Brown medicine forum beginner
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject:
Re: Corrective Procedure 06/16/06
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Dear Roy,
Subject: Supralase
I might suggest that you explore the possibility
of using the plus lens to improve your "refractive
state" RATHER THAN subjecting yourself to
further surgery.
The surgery is obviously the cause of your
vision problems.
For more information please visit
www.chinapatterns.org
Best,
Odis,
Ingenue |
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Dick Adams medicine forum Guru
Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Posts: 300
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:37 pm Post subject:
Re: Corrective Procedure 06/16/06
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"Roy Starrin" <starrin@verizon.net> wrote in message news:hu9392hsidhrsu4mslb7bh9i84ucp5k0be@4ax.com...
| Quote: | After several consultations, much discussion with y'all, and lots of
prayer, we are going to use Supralase
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Fantastic! We understand that SUPRALASET can only be performed
with the VISX Star IV tracking laser.
Fine-looking bunch! Say, whatever happened to Smith and Jones?
Oh, well ...
| Quote: | When I feel like getting back at the PC over the weekend, will cut
y'all in on how it went.
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Good luck! Hope you can find your way back to your PC. Well, OK,
I guess -- in any event you have still got your OS.
--
Dicky
(Advocate for expanding acronyms and rationalizing glitzy trade names) |
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Rev Jessie James medicine forum beginner
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
Posts: 25
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:07 am Post subject:
Re: Corrective Procedure 06/16/06
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Odis, congrats, you have now joined my very exculsive kill file list. You are the 3rd to join this exclusive list so far along the likes of Neil Brooks and The Central Scrutinizer. It seems their entire purpose in this group is to bash. Get a life, please.
Can everyone quit responding to idiots like theses, or better yet, add them to your kill file? Their constant spewing of garbage evades my flters because it is included in others responses.
"Mockery is the greatest form of flattery"
<odisbrown@pa.net> wrote in message news:ced3921vvgfpbpe6l14g2i5vip3r8orh8g@4ax.com...
Dear Roy,
Subject: Supralase
I might suggest that you explore the possibility
of using the plus lens to improve your "refractive
state" RATHER THAN subjecting yourself to
further surgery.
The surgery is obviously the cause of your
vision problems.
For more information please visit
www.chinapatterns.org
Best,
Odis,
Ingenue |
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Quick medicine forum Guru
Joined: 19 Jun 2005
Posts: 343
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:27 am Post subject:
Re: Corrective Procedure 06/16/06
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"Rev Jessie James" <Jessie@yahoo.com>
| Quote: | Odis, congrats, you have now joined my very exculsive kill file list.
You are the 3rd to join this exclusive list so far along the likes of Neil
Brooks and The Central Scrutinizer. It seems their entire purpose
in this group is to bash. Get a life, please.
Can everyone quit responding to idiots like theses, or better yet,
add them to your kill file? Their constant spewing of garbage
evades my flters because it is included in others responses.
"Mockery is the greatest form of flattery"
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You can fix this yourself. Kill file everyone on the list except
your hero Otis and his foil Aceman and you'll be in great
shape. Otis, his parrot, and you playing the part of the audience.
Can I get an AMEN!
-Quick |
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Neil Brooks medicine forum Guru
Joined: 24 Mar 2005
Posts: 1148
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:13 pm Post subject:
Re: Corrective Procedure 06/16/06
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 05:07:54 GMT, "Rev Jessie James"
<Jessie@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Odis, congrats, you have now joined my very exculsive kill file list. You are the 3rd to join this exclusive list so far along the likes of Neil Brooks and The Central Scrutinizer. It seems their entire purpose in this group is to bash. Get a life, please.
Can everyone quit responding to idiots like theses, or better yet, add them to your kill file? Their constant spewing of garbage evades my flters because it is included in others responses.
[somebody, it seems will have to reply to this for the Right Reverend |
to get elucidation....]
Bash: To engage in harsh, accusatory, threatening criticism.
Question:
- An expression of inquiry that invites or calls for a reply.
- To put a question to.
- To examine (a witness, for example) by questioning;
interrogate.
- To express doubt about; dispute.
- To analyze; examine.
So ... Right Reverend ... IF your hero had deigned to answer those who
*question--* over the course of *years*, perhaps he wouldn't find
himself being *bashed* quite so much around here.
Why not be a part of the solution ... instead of the problem. Why not
encourage Otis Brown to simply answer the damned questions ... fully,
directly, and completely.
???
Otherwise, I am aware of no act of self-aggrandizing machismo more
profound than to announce on a newsgroup when "somebody has been added
to one's kill-file."
Bravo, Big Guy, Bravo! |
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Rev Jessie James medicine forum beginner
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject:
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I must apologize for my previous post, It was rude to ask someone be kill-filed. Here is the way I see it:
A . Otis didn't provide any input on this topic.
B. Otis's wanna-be "Odis" made a post, ( only intent to bash Otis )
C. It seems the entire purpose of the "Odis" alias is to poke fun at Otis.
I fully agree that, Otis does seem in the minority with his beleifs on myopia ( among this group ). At least Otis's posts are on topic, and they do contribute a possibly valid solution to for myopia. I haven't seen enough data conclusively disprove his theory. I am living proof that with negative lenses, myopia progressed at the same rate the lens strength was increased.
It really doesn't matter if Otis can prove or disprove his theory. Many people that have experienced step myopia tend to agree his theory *maybe* valid.
This group is for sharing information and ideas, yet it seems like several people are ONLY here to bash Otis.
"Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message news:_irkg.55768$4L1.44573@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
"Rev Jessie James" <Jessie@yahoo.com>
| Quote: | Odis, congrats, you have now joined my very exculsive kill file list.
You are the 3rd to join this exclusive list so far along the likes of Neil
Brooks and The Central Scrutinizer. It seems their entire purpose
in this group is to bash. Get a life, please.
Can everyone quit responding to idiots like theses, or better yet,
add them to your kill file? Their constant spewing of garbage
evades my flters because it is included in others responses.
"Mockery is the greatest form of flattery"
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You can fix this yourself. Kill file everyone on the list except
your hero Otis and his foil Aceman and you'll be in great
shape. Otis, his parrot, and you playing the part of the audience.
Can I get an AMEN!
-Quick |
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Quick medicine forum Guru
Joined: 19 Jun 2005
Posts: 343
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject:
Re: Corrective Procedure 06/16/06
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"Rev Jessie James" <Jessie@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I fully agree that, Otis does seem in the minority with his
beleifs on myopia ( among this group ).
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Well, why don't you consider the group of medical professionals?
This seems to be a medical issue and not one of faith right?
Can I get an AMEN!
That would put Otis in the minority of about 3 relative to the
majority of tens of thousands.
| Quote: | At least Otis's posts are on topic, and they do contribute a
possibly valid solution to for myopia.
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Wrong. Not valid. Not even possibly valid, so you can't call
it a contribution.
| Quote: | I haven't seen enough data conclusively disprove his theory.
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You obviously, intentionally, didn't look. It can't be missed.
| Quote: | I am living proof that with negative lenses, myopia
progressed at the same rate the lens strength was
increased.
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Amazing. I found the same correlation to cutting
my hair. I kept cutting my hair and my myopia kept
progressing! It's a miracle!
Can I get an AMEN!
| Quote: | It really doesn't matter if Otis can prove or disprove
his theory.
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Hello? The group is under Sci[ence]. Not religion. You
may have clicked on the wrong category.
| Quote: | Many people that have experienced step
myopia tend to agree his theory *maybe* valid.
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It's so easy to prey on the distressed isn't it? Pass the
plate. ($24.99 to cover shipping and handling)
Can I get an AMEN!
| Quote: | This group is for sharing information and ideas,
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Yes. By people with qualifications. Usually in the
medical field "qualified" translates to some sort of
medical degree. This is not a faith based group.
It is based on (medical) science.
| Quote: | yet it seems like several people are ONLY here
to bash Otis.
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It is sort of fruitless isn't it? Now we're getting into
your realm. Out! Out! demons. Greater forces have
been summoned (the state of Pensylvania).
hallelujah,
-Quick
"Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:_irkg.55768$4L1.44573@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
"Rev Jessie James" <Jessie@yahoo.com>
| Quote: | Odis, congrats, you have now joined my very exculsive kill file list.
You are the 3rd to join this exclusive list so far along the likes of Neil
Brooks and The Central Scrutinizer. It seems their entire purpose
in this group is to bash. Get a life, please.
Can everyone quit responding to idiots like theses, or better yet,
add them to your kill file? Their constant spewing of garbage
evades my flters because it is included in others responses.
"Mockery is the greatest form of flattery"
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You can fix this yourself. Kill file everyone on the list except
your hero Otis and his foil Aceman and you'll be in great
shape. Otis, his parrot, and you playing the part of the audience.
Can I get an AMEN!
-Quick |
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Neil Brooks medicine forum Guru
Joined: 24 Mar 2005
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:01 pm Post subject:
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Then I guess your grasp of both the scientific method AND logic is no
stronger than Otis's, huh?
The questions I ask are direct, logical, rational, coherent, relevant,
substantive, and important.
IF Otis had ANY interest in "science" or "objectivity," well then ...
he'd answer them.
IF you cared about "truth" or "fact," well then ... you'd LOBBY for him
to answer them.
What you call "bashing," I call seeking the truth ... and forcing a
charlatan to show his hand.
Po-tay-to ... Po-tah-to.
AMEN! |
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Roy Starrin medicine forum beginner
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:17 pm Post subject:
Re: SITREP 1: Corrective Procedure 06/16/06
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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:43:20 GMT, Roy Starrin <starrin@verizon.net>
wrote about the procedure being used to correct the surgically induced
astimatism in his right eye :
Supralase, surface ablation procedure, used Friday a.m. Doc said it
will take (took) 2X seconds to remove the epitheilum, 9 seconds to
correct the astigmatism.
No pain Friday, slept most of the day with pain meds (Good pain meds).
Doc forceast day 2 (Saturday) would be worst pain day, after that pain
would ease, (he provided a lesser strength pain med for day 3 on out)
but that day 3-5 would see slight worsening of vision.
Pain forcast accurate.
Woke this morning with no pain. Tossed the pain meds (but be advised
I take Celebrex and 3900 mg Tylenol daily for arthritis)
Anyhoo, I can now see better without glasses than I can with glasses
(lens has been removed from OD side of glasses). The earth is flat,
and my "reference circle" is round as opposed to being oval as it has
been since the initial surgery. I find this interresting. Would it
be because OD is my dominant eye and it is dragging OS along?
(OS sphere is +0.75) In any case, surgery was specifically to repair
astigmatism, and not touch the OD sphere (which is also +0.75).
Will see doctor MWF this week. Surgeon or one of his ODs called each
night to see how I was doing.
I have written above with no glasses. Vision is not would I would
want for ultimate vision, but is surely something good to build on.
Initial estimate was first refraction attempt at 3 weeks. (It is my
intent to simply change the OD lens as vision warrants until it is
fully stabilized)
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otisbrown@pa.net medicine forum Guru
Joined: 24 Mar 2005
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:50 pm Post subject:
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Dear Jessie,
Some idiot is posting using the name "Odis" -- and that is fradulent.
I certainly have no SUGGESTION OR STATEMENT about this
man's issue -- and have made no post about it.
I suggest PREVENTION of nearsighetedess ON THE THRESHOLD -- as
advocated by prevention-minded ODs. See:
www.chinamyopia.org
Or, my suggestions can be found at:
www.myopiafree.com
And all I truly suggest is that you be informeded of this PREVENTIVE
method -- before you start wearing an over-perscribed minus -- and
develop stair-case myopia from it.
And this is simply a choice I think you should have.
Best,
Otis
Rev Jessie James wrote:
| Quote: | Odis, congrats, you have now joined my very exculsive kill file list. You are the 3rd to join this exclusive list so far along the likes of Neil Brooks and The Central Scrutinizer. It seems their entire purpose in this group is to bash. Get a life, please.
Can everyone quit responding to idiots like theses, or better yet, add them to your kill file? Their constant spewing of garbage evades my flters because it is included in others responses.
"Mockery is the greatest form of flattery"
odisbrown@pa.net> wrote in message news:ced3921vvgfpbpe6l14g2i5vip3r8orh8g@4ax.com...
Dear Roy,
Subject: Supralase
I might suggest that you explore the possibility
of using the plus lens to improve your "refractive
state" RATHER THAN subjecting yourself to
further surgery.
The surgery is obviously the cause of your
vision problems.
For more information please visit
www.chinapatterns.org
Best,
Odis,
Ingenue
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Mike Tyner medicine forum Guru
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:48 pm Post subject:
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<otisbrown@pa.net> wrote
| Quote: | And all I truly suggest is that you be informeded of this PREVENTIVE
method -- before you start wearing an over-perscribed minus -- and
develop stair-case myopia from it.
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So please inform us: how is you KNOW your preventive method works?
And how is it you KNOW that stair-case myopia exists?
You KNOW it because you read it on the internet?
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Odis S. Brown medicine forum beginner
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:30 pm Post subject:
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Dear Mike,
Subject: stair-case myopia
Mike> You KNOW it because you read it on the internet?
Odis> I resent the implication and the "challenge" to my
objectivity.
As it happens, I KNOW it because I WROTE it
on the internet.
Perhaps I should be asking for an apology at this point.
Best,
Odis
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Quick medicine forum Guru
Joined: 19 Jun 2005
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:15 pm Post subject:
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odisbrown@pa.net wrote:
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As it happens, I KNOW it because I WROTE it
on the internet.
Perhaps I should be asking for an apology at this point.
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or $24.95 for shipping and handling.
-Quick |
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