How lying and spinning can kill you

Phil Scott · medicine forum Guru Wannabe Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 103

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it appears that the larger a nation or corporation becomes the
larger the mass of infighters and back stabbers there are just
one step from the top.

as this mass increases in size, issues and motives become
obscured or invisible...disabling good judgement, and viable
motives as these will either not impliment.... or are seen by
one or many others as counter to their own interests.

Gridlock and collapse ensue. These brains in justifying the
mess become miswired and actually insae, destructively insane.

Naturs solution death, then a reboot... using the same atoms,
but not the same molecules.

I notice that almost no matter what I say thees days in many
quarters it is not understood, sinister motives are attributed
to it etc. These think Im speaking code and either feel
insulted or opposed.. Trying to make oneself clear looks
aggressive... aggression causes more questioning of the
motive...

Then these act on their bogus assumptions...it is going
terminally south for most of corporate america and americans
on this basis...history shows that entire nations go south as
one large herd of lemmings.

Ive seen a few exceptions..small companies with superb
leadership.....but not many.

I have clients that put out incompetent projects... then after
the customer is in a total rage, and threatening non payment
etc..tney call me to sort it out. I walk into the teeth of a
knife fight as target number one.

what works on such a job is to be completely honest with the
end user...they already know that something is terminally
screwed up.. lying just invites them to be non cooperative
and to harrass you as you are trying to sort the mess out...
that environment precludes sorting anything out.

You must also educate the client as to whats real and what
isn't... that takes credibility... such credibility is not
established by lying or stone walling.

I find accurate education and truthfullness work virtually
every time in those most trying situations.. often where not
just one thing is wrong, but half a dozen things are wrong
with ones product...and there are the clients extenuating
circumstances and existing conditions not always discoverable.

Only honesty and earned trust work in the final analysis.

the company that had retained me in the past would preffer
that I spin for them, and deny actuality or just clam up...
and that might work in some aspects..

.....but in the end is destructive to the person they put into
the breech and fire at the job... such a bullet to be
effective must have integrity.

These don't understand that of course, because they make their
money by lying and spinning across many different areas ...as
their heatlh goes totally into the tank.

oh well.

--
Phil Scott
Ideas are bullet proof.

monty1945@lycos.com · medicine forum addict Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 93

Phil:

You seem to think that "things are rotten to the core," or nearly so.
Howevever, you failed to consider the underlying paradigm, which is the
desire to sell a "product," and not just something like a piece of
cheese, which nobody is going to pay $100 for, but rather something
that is being touted as having almost magical qualities, and being
priced accordingly. And yet where is the evidence that this is
necessary? Do a google search for "Amish diet," for example. Basic
physiology and avoidance of substances that act as oxidizing agents is
the key to health - no need for much else, as far as diet is concerned.
No need for "phytonutrients," "essential fatty acids," or antioxidant
supplements, etc. My greatgrandparents lived long lives (mid-90s,
100+), never ate any omega 3 source (except trace amounts perhaps - no
flax, oily fish, canola oil, etc.) and were not active. My
greatgrandfather did a little gardening, but never any exercise. My
grandfather is now in his early 90s and has been about as sedentary as
an able-bodied person can be for decades.

You can go to my site and read about the scientific reality, as
oppposed to the hype. The difference? I'm not trying to sell anyone
anything.

http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-

Mr-Natural-Health · medicine forum Guru Joined: 01 May 2005 Posts: 1807

monty1945@lycos.com wrote:

monty1945@lycos.com · medicine forum addict Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 93

Perhaps if you just knew what "spam" is in this context you would
demonstrate such a miinimal amount of competence that one person would
take you seriously, but I doubt it. For "newbies," spam is when you
try to sell someone something, pretending that you are providing
important information. Instead, my site contains a great deal of
citations from the professional literature. One may not agree with my
interpretation, but anyone is welcome to ask questions and propose
alternatives. I am only interested in discovering the scientific
reality, so that I can eat in a way that is not unhealthy

Phil Scott · medicine forum Guru Wannabe Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 103

<monty1945@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Phil Scott · medicine forum Guru Wannabe Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 103

<monty1945@lycos.com> wrote in message

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montie... there is something about your charisma here thats
way too far south..normally when I kill file people like you I
dont say anything.,.. but in your case...truly... the grease
needs to be publicly dumped. accordingly, welcome to my kill
file.

which is to not say eating heatlhy is bad,, its just your
spamming of drivel with no respect to the context of the
thread or other posters is south somehow montie...such idiocy
rots the brain.. something to avoid.

Phil Scott

Mr-Natural-Health · medicine forum Guru Joined: 01 May 2005 Posts: 1807

monty1945@lycos.com wrote:

Just Ed · medicine forum Guru Wannabe Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 120

Phil Scott wrote:

monty1945@lycos.com · medicine forum addict Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 93

Yes, it was posted to the wrong thread. It was a reply to nature boy's
claim that I was "spamming" by telling people about the site I created
so that people could just go there instead of searching for my posts
here. On my site, everything is organized topically and there is also
a message board. And I was responding to "corporate culture:" it is
insidious and "something has to give," because the planet only has so
much in terms of resources, and with current population and "economic"
growth it is not sustainable for much longer at this pace. We'll be
long gone before it become obvious to just about everyone, so it will
be someone else's problem, but the corporate mentality basically
provides people with a rationale for acting in horrible ways towards
other people, animals, the environment, and even themselves. The
internet now allows people to find alternatives to the "mainstream."
In any case, this is supposed to be a science based newsgroup, so in a
sense you are the one who is off topic, Phil. I just want to examine
the evidence and discuss interpretations of it on this newsgroup, but I
couldn't help point out to you that you are making assumptions that are
not sustainable in their current form. These assumptions will just be
a historical "blip" on the proverbial radar screen.

Mr-Natural-Health · medicine forum Guru Joined: 01 May 2005 Posts: 1807

monty1945@lycos.com wrote:

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