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Mr-Natural-Health
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 Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:25 am Post subject:
Eating like the Kook, called Montygram. :(
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WARNING: Eating the following diet may seriously jeopardize your
health. Eat this crappy diet ONLY at your own risk.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/8f85cf7b7bf25fd7
"I eat a boiled egg each day, several ounces of raw cheese, a
cup or so of whole milk yogurt, and some ice cream (without
carrageenan, locust bean, guarr, carob, or other stuff that shouldn't
be there)."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/8ffdae27f34f4c5c
"I eat potatoes, a few carrots, string beans without the beans, just to
make a vegetable stew. I puree organic canned corn for a sauce, and I
use a few broccoli florets in an Asian noodle dish, but aside from the
potatoes, I don't eat any of these in large amounts or regularly."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/9741227f210a464b
"I eat plenty of fat, plenty of sugar, and at 5' 9" tall, I'm no more
than 120 pounds, and I'm never hungry."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/1d9164d611e924bc
"Now I eat a lot of fat, but it's got to be very saturated (coconut,
butter, dark chocolate, whole milk dairy). No cooked meat, unless it's
boiled, then you can
mix it in a pan with herbs, spices, sherry, butter, etc. on low heat."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/c386f7ffafe5c818
"my advice is to avoid nuts, seeds, beans, and whole grains entirely.
I
used to eat a lot of these foods, and I almost died. Now I eat a lot
of whole milk dairy, eggs, some fruit, bread I bake with unbleached,
organic white flour, potatoes, dark chocolate, and coconut products."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.diseases.osteoporosis/msg/7bb1e24741c264ab
"I eat plenty of wheat now, but only the easy-to-digest unbleached
flour, often organic pastry flour, and I never eat food that is
difficult to digest, like beans."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/89276468edae13f0
" I eat plenty of salt, in the form of Celtic sea salt
(have been now for over 3 years) and at 40, my blood pressure is much
lower than all of my friends and relatives, usually around 95/70 (or
lower). If you make your own food from scratch, and use Celtic sea
salt to taste, you will be doing the healthiest thing possible, in
terms of sodim cholride consumption, at least." |
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Mr-Natural-Health
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:37 am Post subject:
Re: Eating like the Kook, called Montygram. :(
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Yeah, ... potatoes should be the foundation of any diet???
Huh?
| Quote: | http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/9741227f210a464b
"I eat plenty of fat, plenty of sugar, and at 5' 9" tall, I'm no more
than 120 pounds, and I'm never hungry."
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Yes, plenty of sugar should be the foundation of any diet?
Huh?
| Quote: | http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/c386f7ffafe5c818
"my advice is to avoid nuts, seeds, ... and whole grains entirely.
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bread I bake with unbleached, organic white flour
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Yes, organic white flour should be the basis of any diet? Just be sure
to avoid whole grains entirely.
Huh?
| Quote: | http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.diseases.osteoporosis/msg/7bb1e24741c264ab
"I eat plenty of wheat now, but only the easy-to-digest unbleached
flour, often organic pastry flour,
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Hear that, TC. White flour is great for you as long as it is organic.
Huh?
| Quote: | http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/89276468edae13f0
" I eat plenty of salt,
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So Monty advises everyone to eat plenty of salt?
Huh?
You have my condolences, Monty 'the Kook.' |
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jt
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 28 Feb 2006
Posts: 30
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:04 am Post subject:
Re: Eating like the Kook, called Montygram. :(
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On 20 Jun 2006 19:25:07 -0700, "Mr. Natural-Health"
<johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
| Quote: | WARNING: Eating the following diet may seriously jeopardize your
health. Eat this crappy diet ONLY at your own risk.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/8f85cf7b7bf25fd7
"I eat a boiled egg each day, several ounces of raw cheese, a
cup or so of whole milk yogurt, and some ice cream (without
carrageenan, locust bean, guarr, carob, or other stuff that shouldn't
be there)."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/8ffdae27f34f4c5c
"I eat potatoes, a few carrots, string beans without the beans, just to
make a vegetable stew. I puree organic canned corn for a sauce, and I
use a few broccoli florets in an Asian noodle dish, but aside from the
potatoes, I don't eat any of these in large amounts or regularly."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/9741227f210a464b
"I eat plenty of fat, plenty of sugar, and at 5' 9" tall, I'm no more
than 120 pounds, and I'm never hungry."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/1d9164d611e924bc
"Now I eat a lot of fat, but it's got to be very saturated (coconut,
butter, dark chocolate, whole milk dairy). No cooked meat, unless it's
boiled, then you can
mix it in a pan with herbs, spices, sherry, butter, etc. on low heat."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/c386f7ffafe5c818
"my advice is to avoid nuts, seeds, beans, and whole grains entirely.
I
used to eat a lot of these foods, and I almost died. Now I eat a lot
of whole milk dairy, eggs, some fruit, bread I bake with unbleached,
organic white flour, potatoes, dark chocolate, and coconut products."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.diseases.osteoporosis/msg/7bb1e24741c264ab
"I eat plenty of wheat now, but only the easy-to-digest unbleached
flour, often organic pastry flour, and I never eat food that is
difficult to digest, like beans."
Like cocoa beans? |
| Quote: | http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/89276468edae13f0
" I eat plenty of salt, in the form of Celtic sea salt
(have been now for over 3 years) and at 40, my blood pressure is much
lower than all of my friends and relatives, usually around 95/70 (or
lower). If you make your own food from scratch, and use Celtic sea
salt to taste, you will be doing the healthiest thing possible, in
terms of sodim cholride consumption, at least." |
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Mr-Natural-Health
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 01 May 2005
Posts: 1807
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:23 am Post subject:
Re: Eating like the Kook, called Montygram. :(
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jt wrote:
| Quote: | On 20 Jun 2006 19:25:07 -0700, "Mr. Natural-Health"
johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
WARNING: Eating the following diet may seriously jeopardize your
health. Eat this crappy diet ONLY at your own risk.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/8f85cf7b7bf25fd7
"I eat a boiled egg each day, several ounces of raw cheese, a
cup or so of whole milk yogurt, and some ice cream (without
carrageenan, locust bean, guarr, carob, or other stuff that shouldn't
be there)."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/8ffdae27f34f4c5c
"I eat potatoes, a few carrots, string beans without the beans, just to
make a vegetable stew. I puree organic canned corn for a sauce, and I
use a few broccoli florets in an Asian noodle dish, but aside from the
potatoes, I don't eat any of these in large amounts or regularly."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/9741227f210a464b
"I eat plenty of fat, plenty of sugar, and at 5' 9" tall, I'm no more
than 120 pounds, and I'm never hungry."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/1d9164d611e924bc
"Now I eat a lot of fat, but it's got to be very saturated (coconut,
butter, dark chocolate, whole milk dairy). No cooked meat, unless it's
boiled, then you can
mix it in a pan with herbs, spices, sherry, butter, etc. on low heat."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/c386f7ffafe5c818
"my advice is to avoid nuts, seeds, beans, and whole grains entirely.
I
used to eat a lot of these foods, and I almost died. Now I eat a lot
of whole milk dairy, eggs, some fruit, bread I bake with unbleached,
organic white flour, potatoes, dark chocolate, and coconut products."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.diseases.osteoporosis/msg/7bb1e24741c264ab
"I eat plenty of wheat now, but only the easy-to-digest unbleached
flour, often organic pastry flour, and I never eat food that is
difficult to digest, like beans."
Like cocoa beans?
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Ha, ... Hah, Ha! His beloved chocolate is made from a bean. :)
Beans as in Legumes are stored dried as a seed. Unlike grains, NORMAL
people soak beans overnight in order to soften them. Fully cooked
beans are soft as butter and practically melt in your mouth. There is
absolutely nothing hard to digest about either beans or nuts.
The dude is probably against flatulence, because he has refused to
accept the fact that he has a physical body just like a dog does. :(
But, from looking at the above horror story it is obvious that this
Kook called Monty eats EXACTLY the opposite of what most NORMAL people
would call a healthy diet.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/whole-grains.html
--
John Gohde,
Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!
The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the
mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the
Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and
sharper terminology than ever before.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/ |
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msamson11975@yahoo.ca
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Joined: 03 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:26 pm Post subject:
Re: Eating like the Kook, called Montygram. :(
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Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
| Quote: | Beans as in Legumes are stored dried as a seed. Unlike grains, NORMAL
people soak beans overnight in order to soften them. Fully cooked
beans are soft as butter and practically melt in your mouth. There is
absolutely nothing hard to digest about either beans or nuts.
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Actually yes there is. Soaked or not, beans are extremely difficult to
digest. I am not sure if it's because of its sugars (I think beans are
about 50% carb and 50% protein -- a tough combination). Lots of people
can't digest them and get gas. Probably because we are not designed to
eat them. Nuts aren't much different. Maybe I don't chew them enough,
but I always see them in my excrement (yes I look).
I too see some contradictions in Monty's statements, specifically re:
whole grains and then eating corn and white flour. I can see his
points and eat a similar diet, but with lots of meat and eggs. I
disagree with his statements that sugar is good/safe and same with
corn, potatoes, bread, etc. But overall, his comments about oxidation
are quite interesting.
Pretty hilarious post by the way! |
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Ron Peterson
medicine forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 18 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject:
Re: Eating like the Kook, called Montygram. :(
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msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
| Quote: | Actually yes there is. Soaked or not, beans are extremely difficult to
digest. I am not sure if it's because of its sugars (I think beans are
about 50% carb and 50% protein -- a tough combination). Lots of people
can't digest them and get gas. Probably because we are not designed to
eat them. ...
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Beans have a sugar called raffinose that isn't absorbed and is then fed
on bacteria in the intestines causing gas. The amount of raffinose can
be decreased by either hulling the beans, discarding the soaking water,
or fermenting the beans.
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TC
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:38 pm Post subject:
Re: Eating like the Kook, called Montygram. :(
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Ron Peterson wrote:
| Quote: | msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
Actually yes there is. Soaked or not, beans are extremely difficult to
digest. I am not sure if it's because of its sugars (I think beans are
about 50% carb and 50% protein -- a tough combination). Lots of people
can't digest them and get gas. Probably because we are not designed to
eat them. ...
Beans have a sugar called raffinose that isn't absorbed and is then fed
on bacteria in the intestines causing gas. The amount of raffinose can
be decreased by either hulling the beans, discarding the soaking water,
or fermenting the beans.
--
Ron
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Or not eating them. There is nothing in beans that we can't get as
easily from other better choices of fresh produce. And beans are carb
dense, no matter how you look at it, they are too carb dense.
TC |
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msamson11975@yahoo.ca
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:42 pm Post subject:
Re: Eating like the Kook, called Montygram. :(
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TC wrote:
| Quote: | Or not eating them. There is nothing in beans that we can't get as
easily from other better choices of fresh produce. And beans are carb
dense, no matter how you look at it, they are too carb dense.
TC
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I completely agree. I think that beans are like the only food in
nature that is pretty close to 1/2 carb and 1/2 protein. Plus, aren't
they toxic if eaten raw? |
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Mr-Natural-Health
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:15 am Post subject:
Re: Eating like the Kook, called Montygram. :(
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Ron Peterson wrote:
| Quote: | msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
Actually yes there is. Soaked or not, beans are extremely difficult to
digest. I am not sure if it's because of its sugars (I think beans are
about 50% carb and 50% protein -- a tough combination). Lots of people
can't digest them and get gas. Probably because we are not designed to
eat them. ...
Beans have a sugar called raffinose that isn't absorbed and is then fed
on bacteria in the intestines causing gas. The amount of raffinose can
be decreased by either hulling the beans, discarding the soaking water,
or fermenting the beans.
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I think I will eat some bake beans?
Umh ... Yummy.
Surrounded by Kooks to both the left and right of me. Yet, I will be
here tomorrow poking more fun at Kooks.
Cheers ... |
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Ron Peterson
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:08 am Post subject:
Re: Eating like the Kook, called Montygram. :(
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Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
| Quote: | Ron Peterson wrote:
Beans have a sugar called raffinose that isn't absorbed and is then fed
on bacteria in the intestines causing gas. The amount of raffinose can
be decreased by either hulling the beans, discarding the soaking water,
or fermenting the beans.
I think I will eat some bake beans?
Umh ... Yummy.
Surrounded by Kooks to both the left and right of me. Yet, I will be
here tomorrow poking more fun at Kooks.
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It's not clear who you're poking fun at. I eat several types of beans,
a little gas doesn't bother me. Beans (the musical fruit) are full of
protein and low in saturated fat and high in fiber.
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Ron |
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msamson11975@yahoo.ca
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:51 am Post subject:
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tomorrow poking more fun at Kooks.
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It's not clear who you're poking fun at. I eat several types of beans,
a little gas doesn't bother me. Beans (the musical fruit) are full of
protein and low in saturated fat and high in fiber.
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Ron
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He's referring to Monty, myself, and the other poster. I don't eat
beans because I don't think humans are designed to digest them. I also
eat a high fat/low carb diet so what the F do I know right? I prefer
not to put my digestive system through the torture of beans. I'll
stick with meat and produce. |
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Mr-Natural-Health
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:01 am Post subject:
Re: Eating like the Kook, called Montygram. :(
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Ron Peterson wrote:
| Quote: | Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
Ron Peterson wrote:
Beans have a sugar called raffinose that isn't absorbed and is then fed
on bacteria in the intestines causing gas. The amount of raffinose can
be decreased by either hulling the beans, discarding the soaking water,
or fermenting the beans.
I think I will eat some bake beans?
Umh ... Yummy.
Surrounded by Kooks to both the left and right of me. Yet, I will be
here tomorrow poking more fun at Kooks.
It's not clear who you're poking fun at. I eat several types of beans,
a little gas doesn't bother me. Beans (the musical fruit) are full of
protein and low in saturated fat and high in fiber.
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No one, of course.
I was simply conducting more behavioral research, and in part thanks to
you I was able to update my published research on the 'Kooks that
inhabit smn.' Are you a Kook, Twit, Geek, or Quack Ron?
To the other Kooks on smn whining abut beans, you got IBS. Doc John
explains in detail on another THREAD.
Just thought that you might want to know. |
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msamson11975@yahoo.ca
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:11 am Post subject:
Re: Eating like the Kook, called Montygram. :(
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Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
| Quote: | To the other Kooks on smn whining abut beans, you got IBS. Doc John
explains in detail on another THREAD.
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No, i've got IBS because of fucking beans. |
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Ron Peterson
medicine forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 18 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:49 am Post subject:
Re: Eating like the Kook, called Montygram. :(
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Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
| Quote: | ... Are you a Kook, Twit, Geek, or Quack Ron?
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I eat meat, beans, vegetables, milk, whold grain bread and pasta, and
fruit. I take an omega 3 supplement and moderate amounts of vitamins
and minerals such as zinc, selenium, calcium, vitamin C, B vitamins,
vitamin E, Vitamin D, and vitamin K. I try to keep my intake of
trans-fats and saturated fats down.
I get in a little over 5 hours of bicyling a week, but should do more
exercising.
I don't advocate any particular type of diet, being skeptical of those
that are highly touted.
I believe in following the scientific method, which for nutrition needs
to identify those things that are harmful and those things that are
beeficial.
So, am I missing out on knowing something I should know?
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Juhana Harju
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:42 am Post subject:
Re: Eating like the Kook, called Montygram. :(
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msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
: Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
:: Beans as in Legumes are stored dried as a seed. Unlike grains,
:: NORMAL people soak beans overnight in order to soften them. Fully
:: cooked beans are soft as butter and practically melt in your mouth.
:: There is absolutely nothing hard to digest about either beans or
:: nuts.
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: Actually yes there is. Soaked or not, beans are extremely difficult
: to digest. I am not sure if it's because of its sugars (I think
: beans are about 50% carb and 50% protein -- a tough combination).
: Lots of people can't digest them and get gas. Probably because we
: are not designed to eat them.
If we were not designed to eat them why are they associated with longevity?
Asia Pac J Clin Nutr. 2004;13(2):217-20.
Legumes: the most important dietary predictor of survival in older people of
different ethnicities.
Darmadi-Blackberry I, Wahlqvist ML, Kouris-Blazos A, Steen B, Lukito W,
Horie Y, Horie K.
Public Health Division, National Ageing Research Institute, Melbourne,
Australia.
To identify protective dietary predictors amongst long-lived elderly people
(N= 785), the "Food Habits in Later Life "(FHILL) study was undertaken among
five cohorts in Japan, Sweden, Greece and Australia. Between 1988 and 1991,
baseline data on food intakes were collected. There were 785 participants
aged 70 and over that were followed up to seven years. Based on an
alternative Cox Proportional Hazard model adjusted to age at enrollment (in
5-year intervals), gender and smoking, the legume food group showed 7-8%
reduction in mortality hazard ratio for every 20g increase in daily intake
with or without controlling for ethnicity (RR 0.92; 95% CI 0.85-0.99 and RR
0.93; 95% CI 0.87-0.99, respectively). Other food groups were not found to
be consistently significant in predicting survival amongst the FHILL
cohorts. PMID: 15228991
http://tinyurl.com/gbdx9
: Nuts aren't much different. Maybe I
: don't chew them enough, but I always see them in my excrement (yes I
: look).
Nuts are among the healthiest foods one can consume.
http://vanderbiltowc.wellsource.com/dh/content.asp?ID=560
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Juhana |
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