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Jason
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:28 am    Post subject: Re: Thimerosal in vaccines reduces incidence of autism Reply with quote

In article <CNkng.56262$Lm5.13388@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,
wright@l1000.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote:

In article <FPidnQqPNYDnvADZRVny1g@bt.com>, john <sc@nospam.com> wrote:
Quote:

ziggittes@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1150841707.806838.261520@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Well, using the logic and rationale of the anti-vac wacks, anyway.


http://www.canada.com/topics/bodyandhealth/story.html?id=bc8253e7-ec6f-4bbd-a01c-5295b731d3f9&k=7417

========================================

Mercury in vaccines not cause of autism, study finds

I'd love to trust someone who gets paid by vaccine companies
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/fombonne_h.html but I left Noddy Land about 50
years ago

And went back, never to leave again, about 49 years ago.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In my google search for a study related to thimerosal, I found this:

Medical News Today
Thimerosal, found in childhood vaccines, can increase the risk of
autism-like damage in mice
09 Jun 2004

A new study indicates that postnatal exposure to thimerosal, a mercury
preservative commonly used in a number of childhood vaccines, can lead to
the development of autism-like damage in autoimmune disease susceptible
mice. This animal model, the first to show that the administration of
low-dose ethylmercury can lead to behavioral and neurological changes in
the developing brain, reinforces previous studies showing that a genetic
predisposition affects risk in combination with certain environmental
triggers. The study was conducted by researchers at the Jerome L. and Dawn
Greene

Infectious Disease Laboratory at the Mailman School of Public Health,
Columbia University. Over the past 20 years, there has been a striking
increase--at least ten-fold since 1985--in the number of children
diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders. Genetic factors alone cannot
account for this rise in prevalence. Researchers at the Mailman School,
led by Dr. Mady Hornig, created an animal model to explore the
relationship between thimerosal (ethylmercury) and autism, hypothesizing
that the combination of genetic susceptibility and environmental exposure
to mercury in childhood vaccines may cause neurotoxicity.

Cumulative mercury burden through other sources, including in utero
exposures to mercury in fish or vaccines, may also lead to damage in
susceptible hosts. Timing and quantity of thimerosal dosing for the mouse
model were developed using the U.S. immunization schedule for children,
with doses calculated for mice based on 10th percentile weight of U.S.
boys at age two, four, six, and twelve months.

The researchers found the subset of autoimmune disease susceptible mice
with thimerosal exposure to express many important aspects of the
behavioral and neuropathologic features of autism spectrum disorders,
including:

Abnormal response to novel environments;

Behavioral impoverishment (limited range of behaviors and decreased
exploration of environment); Significant abnormalities in brain
architecture, affecting areas subserving emotion and cognition; Increased
brain size.

These findings have relevance for identification of autism cases relating
to environmental factors; design of treatment strategies; and development
of rational immunization programs. The use of thimerosal in vaccines has
been reduced over the past few years, although it is still present in some
influenza vaccines. Identifying the connection between genetic
susceptibility and an environmental trigger for autism--in this case
thimerosal exposure--is important because it may promote discovery of
effective interventions for and limit exposure in a specific population,
stated the lead author Dr. Mady Hornig. Because the developing brain can
be exposed to toxins that are long gone by the time symptoms appear, clues
gathered in these animal models can then be evaluated through prospective
human birth cohorts--providing a powerful to tool to dissect the
interaction between genes and the environment over time.

Citation source: Molecular Psychiatry 2004 Volume 9, advance on line
publication doi:10.1038/sj.mp.4001529

For further information on this work, please contact Mady Hornig, MD,
Columbia University, Mailman School of Public Health, Greene Infectious
Disease Laboratory, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032, United
States of America, phone: 212-342-9036; FAX: 949-824-1229; e-mail:
mh2092@columbia.edu

ARTICLE: "Neurotoxic effects of postnatal thimerosal are mouse strain-dependent"

M Hornig, D Chian, W. I. Lipkin

Greene Infectious Disease Laboratory, Mailman School of Public Health,
Columbia University, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032

----------------------------------------

Molecular Psychiatry is published by the Nature Publishing Group.
http://www.nature.com/mp

Editor: Julio Licinio, M.D.; phone: 310-825-7113; FAX: 310-206-6715;
e-mail: licinio@ucla.edu

Contact: Julio Licinio
licinio@ucla.edu
310-825-7113
Molecular Psychiatry

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:33 am    Post subject: Re: Thimerosal in vaccines reduces incidence of autism Reply with quote

In article <xWhng.37$HA2.31@fe10.lga>, Mark Probert
<markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
Quote:
In article <vZmdnYr_wJFwEwDZnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "HCN"
hcn@nospam.com> wrote:

yossarian@catch22.net> wrote in message
news:449d7608$0$16351$a82e6bb9@orc.meganetnews.com...
It is a great idea to put a known neurotoxin in something given to a
developing baby. I don't care what research says, that is and always will
be a stupid idea!!!

That depends on the dose. Water is lethal if a person drinks way to much
(don't laugh, it has happened that toddlers have been damaged by overdosing
on water).

Also, what would you rather have... a micro-dose of a preservative, or a
bunch of unwanted bacteria that can occur if the medication is not stored
properly (which often happens in more remote parts of the world). Here is
more information:
http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

HCN,
Only if the micro-dose of the preservative is safe and does NOT cause
medical problems. There have been some studies done in relation to
thimerosal that indicated that it does cause medical problems in at least
some people. That is one of the reasons that it is no longer used in
various vaccines.

Incorrect. It was removed from the single dose vaccines because the FDA
was concerned that the anti-vac liar fear mongering would have the
effect of lowering uptake and affect overall herd immunity.

That is what happened in the UK, and look at what is going on there now.

If you do not believe me, do a google search related to
Quote:
thimerosal and visit the sites that mention research studies. I am not a
doctor.
Jason


Quote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


I did my own google search and this is what I found:

Medical News Today
Thimerosal, found in childhood vaccines, can increase the risk of
autism-like damage in mice
09 Jun 2004

A new study indicates that postnatal exposure to thimerosal, a mercury
preservative commonly used in a number of childhood vaccines, can lead to
the development of autism-like damage in autoimmune disease susceptible
mice. This animal model, the first to show that the administration of
low-dose ethylmercury can lead to behavioral and neurological changes in
the developing brain, reinforces previous studies showing that a genetic
predisposition affects risk in combination with certain environmental
triggers. The study was conducted by researchers at the Jerome L. and Dawn
Greene

Infectious Disease Laboratory at the Mailman School of Public Health,
Columbia University. Over the past 20 years, there has been a striking
increase--at least ten-fold since 1985--in the number of children
diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders. Genetic factors alone cannot
account for this rise in prevalence. Researchers at the Mailman School,
led by Dr. Mady Hornig, created an animal model to explore the
relationship between thimerosal (ethylmercury) and autism, hypothesizing
that the combination of genetic susceptibility and environmental exposure
to mercury in childhood vaccines may cause neurotoxicity.

Cumulative mercury burden through other sources, including in utero
exposures to mercury in fish or vaccines, may also lead to damage in
susceptible hosts. Timing and quantity of thimerosal dosing for the mouse
model were developed using the U.S. immunization schedule for children,
with doses calculated for mice based on 10th percentile weight of U.S.
boys at age two, four, six, and twelve months.

The researchers found the subset of autoimmune disease susceptible mice
with thimerosal exposure to express many important aspects of the
behavioral and neuropathologic features of autism spectrum disorders,
including:

Abnormal response to novel environments;

Behavioral impoverishment (limited range of behaviors and decreased
exploration of environment); Significant abnormalities in brain
architecture, affecting areas subserving emotion and cognition; Increased
brain size.

These findings have relevance for identification of autism cases relating
to environmental factors; design of treatment strategies; and development
of rational immunization programs. The use of thimerosal in vaccines has
been reduced over the past few years, although it is still present in some
influenza vaccines. Identifying the connection between genetic
susceptibility and an environmental trigger for autism--in this case
thimerosal exposure--is important because it may promote discovery of
effective interventions for and limit exposure in a specific population,
stated the lead author Dr. Mady Hornig. Because the developing brain can
be exposed to toxins that are long gone by the time symptoms appear, clues
gathered in these animal models can then be evaluated through prospective
human birth cohorts--providing a powerful to tool to dissect the
interaction between genes and the environment over time.

Citation source: Molecular Psychiatry 2004 Volume 9, advance on line
publication doi:10.1038/sj.mp.4001529

For further information on this work, please contact Mady Hornig, MD,
Columbia University, Mailman School of Public Health, Greene Infectious
Disease Laboratory, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032, United
States of America, phone: 212-342-9036; FAX: 949-824-1229; e-mail:
mh2092@columbia.edu

ARTICLE: "Neurotoxic effects of postnatal thimerosal are mouse strain-dependent"

M Hornig, D Chian, W. I. Lipkin

Greene Infectious Disease Laboratory, Mailman School of Public Health,
Columbia University, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032

----------------------------------------

Molecular Psychiatry is published by the Nature Publishing Group.
http://www.nature.com/mp

Editor: Julio Licinio, M.D.; phone: 310-825-7113; FAX: 310-206-6715;
e-mail: licinio@ucla.edu

Contact: Julio Licinio
licinio@ucla.edu
310-825-7113
Molecular Psychiatry

Article URL: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=9300
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:58 am    Post subject: Re: Thimerosal in vaccines reduces incidence of autism Reply with quote

HCN wrote:

Quote:
No, it was for political reasons and because of fearmongering.

A repeated lie.

[some of these may be no long available, one can easily see why

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/facts­heets/thimerosalqa.htm

Infectious Diseases (NIAID); The American Academy of Pediatrics; and vaccine
manufacturers agreed that thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in
vaccines as a precautionary measure and to reduce exposure to mercury from
all sources. This decision was based on the various Federal guidelines for
methyl mercury exposure and the assumption that the health risks from methyl
and ethyl mercury were the same. More research is needed to determine if the
guidelines for methyl mercury are also appropriate guidelines for
thimerosal. NIAID thimerosal research focuses on better understanding what
happens to thimerosal once it is introduced in the body and how this
compares to current knowledge of methyl mercury pathways.

http://www.anomalous-images.com/news/news473.html

Thursday July 8 5:49 PM ET
Mercury to be removed from vaccines
NEW YORK, Jul 08 (Reuters Health) -- The US Public Health Service (PHS) and
the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) have asked vaccine manufacturers to
phase out a mercury-containing preservative that has been used in some
vaccines since the 1940s.
The preservative, thimerosal, has not been shown to harm children, but some
infants under age 6 months may be exposed to mercury levels in excess of
federal guidelines with the current recommended immunization schedule.
However, ``children who have received thimerosal-containing vaccines do not
need to be tested for mercury exposure,'' according to a joint AAP/PHS
statement.
Health officials advise parents to continue their children's immunization
programs, because the risk of not immunizing children far outweighs the
small risk posed by thimerosal.
``Terrible childhood diseases like whooping cough, bacterial meningitis,
polio and diphtheria are waiting for us to let our guard down,'' according
to a statement issued by Dr. David Satcher, the US. Surgeon General. ``The
risk of devastating childhood diseases from failure to vaccinate far
outweighs the minimal, if any, risk of exposure to cumulative levels of
mercury in vaccines.''
The joint AAP/PHS statement on thimerosal in vaccines appears in the July
9th Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR), the weekly publication of
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in Atlanta, Georgia.
Stories from the MMWR are available at the CDC website, www.cdc.gov.
The report's authors note that European regulatory community reached similar
conclusions earlier this year.
In a statement, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America
(PhRMA) note that while there is currently ``no clinical evidence that the
use of thimerosal has caused adverse health consequences, there is general
consensus that it would be preferable to eliminate thimerosal from vaccines
whenever possible. The vaccine industry is working closely with FDA and
other government agencies to meet this objective.''
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:21 am    Post subject: Re: Thimerosal in vaccines reduces incidence of autism Reply with quote

"Jason Johnson" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-2406061827040001@66-52-22-84.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...
....>
Quote:
M Hornig, D Chian, W. I. Lipkin

Greene Infectious Disease Laboratory, Mailman School of Public Health,
Columbia University, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032
....


That is the ONE study you found?

Mady Hornig is an employee of Safeminds, an anti-vax organization. One
review of her study I read on www.medscape.org was "We can't even agree on
what criteria to use to diagnose autistic children, much less figure out if
mice are autistic!".

Discussed here:
http://photoninthedarkness.blogspot.com/2005/07/dr-hornigs-autistic-mice_29.html
and
http://autismdiva.blogspot.com/2006/03/nightmare-at-columbia-u-return-of-rain.html
and
http://autismdiva.blogspot.com/2005/07/rain-mouse.html
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:08 am    Post subject: Re: Thimerosal in vaccines reduces incidence of autism Reply with quote

In article <bLednbs69tvfbgDZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com>, "HCN"
<hcn@nospam.com> wrote:

"Jason Johnson" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-2406061827040001@66-52-22-84.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...
...>
Quote:
M Hornig, D Chian, W. I. Lipkin

Greene Infectious Disease Laboratory, Mailman School of Public Health,
Columbia University, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032
...


That is the ONE study you found?

Mady Hornig is an employee of Safeminds, an anti-vax organization. One
review of her study I read on www.medscape.org was "We can't even agree on
what criteria to use to diagnose autistic children, much less figure out if
mice are autistic!".

Discussed here:

http://photoninthedarkness.blogspot.com/2005/07/dr-hornigs-autistic-mice_29.html
and

http://autismdiva.blogspot.com/2006/03/nightmare-at-columbia-u-return-of-rain.html
and
http://autismdiva.blogspot.com/2005/07/rain-mouse.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

HCN,
I don't believe that we should give children vaccines or medicines that
contain mercury. It appears that science is on my side related to this
issue. If you don't believe me, read the following information:

The point is simple: "...thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in
vaccines as a precautionary measure and to reduce exposure to mercury from
all sources..."

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/facts­heets/thimerosalqa.htm

Infectious Diseases (NIAID); The American Academy of Pediatrics; and vaccine
manufacturers agreed that thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in
vaccines as a precautionary measure and to reduce exposure to mercury from
all sources. This decision was based on the various Federal guidelines for
methyl mercury exposure and the assumption that the health risks from methyl
and ethyl mercury were the same. More research is needed to determine if the
guidelines for methyl mercury are also appropriate guidelines for
thimerosal. NIAID thimerosal research focuses on better understanding what
happens to thimerosal once it is introduced in the body and how this
compares to current knowledge of methyl mercury pathways.

http://www.anomalous-images.com/news/news473.html

Thursday July 8 5:49 PM ET
Mercury to be removed from vaccines
NEW YORK, Jul 08 (Reuters Health) -- The US Public Health Service (PHS) and
the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) have asked vaccine manufacturers to
phase out a mercury-containing preservative that has been used in some
vaccines since the 1940s.
The preservative, thimerosal, has not been shown to harm children, but some
infants under age 6 months may be exposed to mercury levels in excess of
federal guidelines with the current recommended immunization schedule.
However, ``children who have received thimerosal-containing vaccines do not
need to be tested for mercury exposure,'' according to a joint AAP/PHS
statement.
Health officials advise parents to continue their children's immunization
programs, because the risk of not immunizing children far outweighs the
small risk posed by thimerosal.
``Terrible childhood diseases like whooping cough, bacterial meningitis,
polio and diphtheria are waiting for us to let our guard down,'' according
to a statement issued by Dr. David Satcher, the US. Surgeon General. ``The
risk of devastating childhood diseases from failure to vaccinate far
outweighs the minimal, if any, risk of exposure to cumulative levels of
mercury in vaccines.''
The joint AAP/PHS statement on thimerosal in vaccines appears in the July
9th Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR), the weekly publication of
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in Atlanta, Georgia.
Stories from the MMWR are available at the CDC website, www.cdc.gov.
The report's authors note that European regulatory community reached similar
conclusions earlier this year.
In a statement, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America
(PhRMA) note that while there is currently ``no clinical evidence that the
use of thimerosal has caused adverse health consequences, there is general
consensus that it would be preferable to eliminate thimerosal from vaccines
whenever possible. The vaccine industry is working closely with FDA and
other government agencies to meet this objective.''
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Thimerosal in vaccines reduces incidence of autism Reply with quote

Jason Johnson wrote:
Quote:
In article <xWhng.37$HA2.31@fe10.lga>, Mark Probert
markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article <vZmdnYr_wJFwEwDZnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "HCN"
hcn@nospam.com> wrote:

yossarian@catch22.net> wrote in message
news:449d7608$0$16351$a82e6bb9@orc.meganetnews.com...
It is a great idea to put a known neurotoxin in something given to a
developing baby. I don't care what research says, that is and always will
be a stupid idea!!!

That depends on the dose. Water is lethal if a person drinks way to much
(don't laugh, it has happened that toddlers have been damaged by overdosing
on water).

Also, what would you rather have... a micro-dose of a preservative, or a
bunch of unwanted bacteria that can occur if the medication is not stored
properly (which often happens in more remote parts of the world). Here is
more information:
http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

HCN,
Only if the micro-dose of the preservative is safe and does NOT cause
medical problems. There have been some studies done in relation to
thimerosal that indicated that it does cause medical problems in at least
some people. That is one of the reasons that it is no longer used in
various vaccines.

Incorrect. It was removed from the single dose vaccines because the FDA
was concerned that the anti-vac liar fear mongering would have the
effect of lowering uptake and affect overall herd immunity.

That is what happened in the UK, and look at what is going on there now.

If you do not believe me, do a google search related to
thimerosal and visit the sites that mention research studies. I am not a
doctor.
Jason


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


I did my own google search and this is what I found:

HCN told you how useless these are. I do not belabor that point.
However, you failed to acknowledge even reading the point that both HCN
and I made, i.e. the decision to remove thimerosal in the western world
was based on a public health decision that anti-vac fearmongering liars
would scare science illiterate people into not vaccinating their
children, thus lowering uptake and adversely affecting herd immunity.

Do you at least understand the concept of the previous paragraph. Note
that understanding does not equate with agreeing.

Additionally, you seem to be adverse to using PublicMed since you
probably know that science proves you wrong.

Try using Google Scholar for your searches. It eliminates much of the
bullshit.


Quote:
Medical News Today
Thimerosal, found in childhood vaccines, can increase the risk of
autism-like damage in mice
09 Jun 2004

A new study indicates that postnatal exposure to thimerosal, a mercury
preservative commonly used in a number of childhood vaccines, can lead to
the development of autism-like damage in autoimmune disease susceptible
mice. This animal model, the first to show that the administration of
low-dose ethylmercury can lead to behavioral and neurological changes in
the developing brain, reinforces previous studies showing that a genetic
predisposition affects risk in combination with certain environmental
triggers. The study was conducted by researchers at the Jerome L. and Dawn
Greene

Infectious Disease Laboratory at the Mailman School of Public Health,
Columbia University. Over the past 20 years, there has been a striking
increase--at least ten-fold since 1985--in the number of children
diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders. Genetic factors alone cannot
account for this rise in prevalence. Researchers at the Mailman School,
led by Dr. Mady Hornig, created an animal model to explore the
relationship between thimerosal (ethylmercury) and autism, hypothesizing
that the combination of genetic susceptibility and environmental exposure
to mercury in childhood vaccines may cause neurotoxicity.

Cumulative mercury burden through other sources, including in utero
exposures to mercury in fish or vaccines, may also lead to damage in
susceptible hosts. Timing and quantity of thimerosal dosing for the mouse
model were developed using the U.S. immunization schedule for children,
with doses calculated for mice based on 10th percentile weight of U.S.
boys at age two, four, six, and twelve months.

The researchers found the subset of autoimmune disease susceptible mice
with thimerosal exposure to express many important aspects of the
behavioral and neuropathologic features of autism spectrum disorders,
including:

Abnormal response to novel environments;

Behavioral impoverishment (limited range of behaviors and decreased
exploration of environment); Significant abnormalities in brain
architecture, affecting areas subserving emotion and cognition; Increased
brain size.

These findings have relevance for identification of autism cases relating
to environmental factors; design of treatment strategies; and development
of rational immunization programs. The use of thimerosal in vaccines has
been reduced over the past few years, although it is still present in some
influenza vaccines. Identifying the connection between genetic
susceptibility and an environmental trigger for autism--in this case
thimerosal exposure--is important because it may promote discovery of
effective interventions for and limit exposure in a specific population,
stated the lead author Dr. Mady Hornig. Because the developing brain can
be exposed to toxins that are long gone by the time symptoms appear, clues
gathered in these animal models can then be evaluated through prospective
human birth cohorts--providing a powerful to tool to dissect the
interaction between genes and the environment over time.

Citation source: Molecular Psychiatry 2004 Volume 9, advance on line
publication doi:10.1038/sj.mp.4001529

For further information on this work, please contact Mady Hornig, MD,
Columbia University, Mailman School of Public Health, Greene Infectious
Disease Laboratory, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032, United
States of America, phone: 212-342-9036; FAX: 949-824-1229; e-mail:
mh2092@columbia.edu

ARTICLE: "Neurotoxic effects of postnatal thimerosal are mouse strain-dependent"

M Hornig, D Chian, W. I. Lipkin

Greene Infectious Disease Laboratory, Mailman School of Public Health,
Columbia University, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032

----------------------------------------

Molecular Psychiatry is published by the Nature Publishing Group.
http://www.nature.com/mp

Editor: Julio Licinio, M.D.; phone: 310-825-7113; FAX: 310-206-6715;
e-mail: licinio@ucla.edu

Contact: Julio Licinio
licinio@ucla.edu
310-825-7113
Molecular Psychiatry

Article URL: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=9300
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Thimerosal in vaccines reduces incidence of autism Reply with quote

Jason Johnson wrote:

Quote:
In my google search for a study related to thimerosal, I found this:

Medical News Today
Thimerosal, found in childhood vaccines, can increase the risk of
autism-like damage in mice
09 Jun 2004

A new study indicates that postnatal exposure to thimerosal, a mercury
preservative commonly used in a number of childhood vaccines, can lead to
the development of autism-like damage in autoimmune disease susceptible
mice. This animal model, the first to show that the administration of
low-dose ethylmercury can lead to behavioral and neurological changes in
the developing brain, reinforces previous studies showing that a genetic
predisposition affects risk in combination with certain environmental
triggers. The study was conducted by researchers at the Jerome L. and Dawn
Greene Infectious Disease Laboratory at the Mailman School of Public Health,
Columbia University. Over the past 20 years, there has been a striking
increase--at least ten-fold since 1985--in the number of children
diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders. Genetic factors alone cannot
account for this rise in prevalence. Researchers at the Mailman School,
led by Dr. Mady Hornig, created an animal model to explore the
relationship between thimerosal (ethylmercury) and autism, hypothesizing
that the combination of genetic susceptibility and environmental exposure
to mercury in childhood vaccines may cause neurotoxicity.

Cumulative mercury burden through other sources, including in utero
exposures to mercury in fish or vaccines, may also lead to damage in
susceptible hosts. Timing and quantity of thimerosal dosing for the mouse
model were developed using the U.S. immunization schedule for children,
with doses calculated for mice based on 10th percentile weight of U.S.
boys at age two, four, six, and twelve months.

The researchers found the subset of autoimmune disease susceptible mice
with thimerosal exposure to express many important aspects of the
behavioral and neuropathologic features of autism spectrum disorders,
including:

Abnormal response to novel environments;

Behavioral impoverishment (limited range of behaviors and decreased
exploration of environment); Significant abnormalities in brain
architecture, affecting areas subserving emotion and cognition; Increased
brain size.

These findings have relevance for identification of autism cases relating
to environmental factors; design of treatment strategies; and development
of rational immunization programs. The use of thimerosal in vaccines has
been reduced over the past few years, although it is still present in some
influenza vaccines. Identifying the connection between genetic
susceptibility and an environmental trigger for autism--in this case
thimerosal exposure--is important because it may promote discovery of
effective interventions for and limit exposure in a specific population,
stated the lead author Dr. Mady Hornig. Because the developing brain can
be exposed to toxins that are long gone by the time symptoms appear, clues
gathered in these animal models can then be evaluated through prospective
human birth cohorts--providing a powerful to tool to dissect the
interaction between genes and the environment over time.

Citation source: Molecular Psychiatry 2004 Volume 9, advance on line
publication doi:10.1038/sj.mp.4001529

For further information on this work, please contact Mady Hornig, MD,
Columbia University, Mailman School of Public Health, Greene Infectious
Disease Laboratory, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032, United
States of America, phone: 212-342-9036; FAX: 949-824-1229; e-mail:
mh2092@columbia.edu

ARTICLE: "Neurotoxic effects of postnatal thimerosal are mouse strain-dependent"


Try to understand this...the second article, not study, that you posted,
says that the effects are dependent on the strain of mouse used. That
means that there are some mouse strains that are not affected by thimerosal.

Now, try to follow along...people are not mice. Understood? Good.

What makes you think that a person would be as susceptible as a mouse?
Were the dosages used in the articles the same as a child would receive
in a vaccine? Are you aware that a child in the western world can get
all vaccinations without thimerosal, thus making this issue moot?

BTW, do try to properly quote.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Thimerosal in vaccines reduces incidence of autism Reply with quote

Jan Drew wrote:
Quote:
HCN wrote:

No, it was for political reasons and because of fearmongering.

A repeated lie.

While you may disagree, it is the truth.
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Joined: 29 Apr 2005
Posts: 1119

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Thimerosal in vaccines reduces incidence of autism Reply with quote

In article <0qxng.82$V27.63@fe09.lga>, Mark Probert
<markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:

Quote:
In my google search for a study related to thimerosal, I found this:

Medical News Today
Thimerosal, found in childhood vaccines, can increase the risk of
autism-like damage in mice
09 Jun 2004

A new study indicates that postnatal exposure to thimerosal, a mercury
preservative commonly used in a number of childhood vaccines, can lead to
the development of autism-like damage in autoimmune disease susceptible
mice. This animal model, the first to show that the administration of
low-dose ethylmercury can lead to behavioral and neurological changes in
the developing brain, reinforces previous studies showing that a genetic
predisposition affects risk in combination with certain environmental
triggers. The study was conducted by researchers at the Jerome L. and Dawn
Greene Infectious Disease Laboratory at the Mailman School of Public Health,
Columbia University. Over the past 20 years, there has been a striking
increase--at least ten-fold since 1985--in the number of children
diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders. Genetic factors alone cannot
account for this rise in prevalence. Researchers at the Mailman School,
led by Dr. Mady Hornig, created an animal model to explore the
relationship between thimerosal (ethylmercury) and autism, hypothesizing
that the combination of genetic susceptibility and environmental exposure
to mercury in childhood vaccines may cause neurotoxicity.

Cumulative mercury burden through other sources, including in utero
exposures to mercury in fish or vaccines, may also lead to damage in
susceptible hosts. Timing and quantity of thimerosal dosing for the mouse
model were developed using the U.S. immunization schedule for children,
with doses calculated for mice based on 10th percentile weight of U.S.
boys at age two, four, six, and twelve months.

The researchers found the subset of autoimmune disease susceptible mice
with thimerosal exposure to express many important aspects of the
behavioral and neuropathologic features of autism spectrum disorders,
including:

Abnormal response to novel environments;

Behavioral impoverishment (limited range of behaviors and decreased
exploration of environment); Significant abnormalities in brain
architecture, affecting areas subserving emotion and cognition; Increased
brain size.

These findings have relevance for identification of autism cases relating
to environmental factors; design of treatment strategies; and development
of rational immunization programs. The use of thimerosal in vaccines has
been reduced over the past few years, although it is still present in some
influenza vaccines. Identifying the connection between genetic
susceptibility and an environmental trigger for autism--in this case
thimerosal exposure--is important because it may promote discovery of
effective interventions for and limit exposure in a specific population,
stated the lead author Dr. Mady Hornig. Because the developing brain can
be exposed to toxins that are long gone by the time symptoms appear, clues
gathered in these animal models can then be evaluated through prospective
human birth cohorts--providing a powerful to tool to dissect the
interaction between genes and the environment over time.

Citation source: Molecular Psychiatry 2004 Volume 9, advance on line
publication doi:10.1038/sj.mp.4001529

For further information on this work, please contact Mady Hornig, MD,
Columbia University, Mailman School of Public Health, Greene Infectious
Disease Laboratory, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032, United
States of America, phone: 212-342-9036; FAX: 949-824-1229; e-mail:
mh2092@columbia.edu

ARTICLE: "Neurotoxic effects of postnatal thimerosal are mouse
strain-dependent"


Try to understand this...the second article, not study, that you posted,
says that the effects are dependent on the strain of mouse used. That
means that there are some mouse strains that are not affected by thimerosal.

Now, try to follow along...people are not mice. Understood? Good.

What makes you think that a person would be as susceptible as a mouse?
Were the dosages used in the articles the same as a child would receive
in a vaccine? Are you aware that a child in the western world can get
all vaccinations without thimerosal, thus making this issue moot?

BTW, do try to properly quote.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello,
We both know that medical researchers use mice and other animals in
research projects on a regular basis. It appears that you either failed to
read the entire post or that you read it and failed to understand the
results of the research project. The study "indicates that postnatal
exposure to thimerosal, a mercury preservative commonly used in a number
of childhood vaccines, can lead to the development of autism-like damage
in autoimmune disease susceptible
mice." Yes, I know that most vaccines no longer contain mercury that that
is a great thing. I posted my original message in this thread because
someone indicated that the use of thimerosal was a good thing to do.
I knew that was not true which was the reason for my post. I do not know
if the study that is mentioned above was one of the reasons that most
companies that make vaccines no longer use thimersol. I hope they also
require dentists to stop making use of mercury. Most people over the age
of 40 have lots of mercury in their dental fillings.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Thimerosal in vaccines reduces incidence of autism Reply with quote

In article <Nsxng.83$V27.10@fe09.lga>, Mark Probert
<markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:

Jan Drew wrote:
Quote:
HCN wrote:

No, it was for political reasons and because of fearmongering.

A repeated lie.

While you may disagree, it is the truth.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mark,
Regardless of the reasons, I think that it's great that thimerosal
is no longer used in most vaccines. I hope that (regardless of the reasons)
that dentists should stop making use of mercury in dental fillings.
Do you think that mercury in vaccines is NOT harmful?
Jason
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Posts: 1720

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Thimerosal in vaccines reduces incidence of autism Reply with quote

Jason Johnson wrote:
Quote:
In article <0qxng.82$V27.63@fe09.lga>, Mark Probert
markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:

In my google search for a study related to thimerosal, I found this:

Medical News Today
Thimerosal, found in childhood vaccines, can increase the risk of
autism-like damage in mice
09 Jun 2004

A new study indicates that postnatal exposure to thimerosal, a mercury
preservative commonly used in a number of childhood vaccines, can lead to
the development of autism-like damage in autoimmune disease susceptible
mice. This animal model, the first to show that the administration of
low-dose ethylmercury can lead to behavioral and neurological changes in
the developing brain, reinforces previous studies showing that a genetic
predisposition affects risk in combination with certain environmental
triggers. The study was conducted by researchers at the Jerome L. and Dawn
Greene Infectious Disease Laboratory at the Mailman School of Public Health,
Columbia University. Over the past 20 years, there has been a striking
increase--at least ten-fold since 1985--in the number of children
diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders. Genetic factors alone cannot
account for this rise in prevalence. Researchers at the Mailman School,
led by Dr. Mady Hornig, created an animal model to explore the
relationship between thimerosal (ethylmercury) and autism, hypothesizing
that the combination of genetic susceptibility and environmental exposure
to mercury in childhood vaccines may cause neurotoxicity.

Cumulative mercury burden through other sources, including in utero
exposures to mercury in fish or vaccines, may also lead to damage in
susceptible hosts. Timing and quantity of thimerosal dosing for the mouse
model were developed using the U.S. immunization schedule for children,
with doses calculated for mice based on 10th percentile weight of U.S.
boys at age two, four, six, and twelve months.

The researchers found the subset of autoimmune disease susceptible mice
with thimerosal exposure to express many important aspects of the
behavioral and neuropathologic features of autism spectrum disorders,
including:

Abnormal response to novel environments;

Behavioral impoverishment (limited range of behaviors and decreased
exploration of environment); Significant abnormalities in brain
architecture, affecting areas subserving emotion and cognition; Increased
brain size.

These findings have relevance for identification of autism cases relating
to environmental factors; design of treatment strategies; and development
of rational immunization programs. The use of thimerosal in vaccines has
been reduced over the past few years, although it is still present in some
influenza vaccines. Identifying the connection between genetic
susceptibility and an environmental trigger for autism--in this case
thimerosal exposure--is important because it may promote discovery of
effective interventions for and limit exposure in a specific population,
stated the lead author Dr. Mady Hornig. Because the developing brain can
be exposed to toxins that are long gone by the time symptoms appear, clues
gathered in these animal models can then be evaluated through prospective
human birth cohorts--providing a powerful to tool to dissect the
interaction between genes and the environment over time.

Citation source: Molecular Psychiatry 2004 Volume 9, advance on line
publication doi:10.1038/sj.mp.4001529

For further information on this work, please contact Mady Hornig, MD,
Columbia University, Mailman School of Public Health, Greene Infectious
Disease Laboratory, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032, United
States of America, phone: 212-342-9036; FAX: 949-824-1229; e-mail:
mh2092@columbia.edu

ARTICLE: "Neurotoxic effects of postnatal thimerosal are mouse
strain-dependent"


Try to understand this...the second article, not study, that you posted,
says that the effects are dependent on the strain of mouse used. That
means that there are some mouse strains that are not affected by thimerosal.

Now, try to follow along...people are not mice. Understood? Good.

What makes you think that a person would be as susceptible as a mouse?
Were the dosages used in the articles the same as a child would receive
in a vaccine? Are you aware that a child in the western world can get
all vaccinations without thimerosal, thus making this issue moot?

BTW, do try to properly quote.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello,
We both know that medical researchers use mice and other animals in
research projects on a regular basis. It appears that you either failed to
read the entire post or that you read it and failed to understand the
results of the research project. The study "indicates that postnatal
exposure to thimerosal, a mercury preservative commonly used in a number
of childhood vaccines, can lead to the development of autism-like damage
in autoimmune disease susceptible
mice."

Clearly, from my comments, I did read the *article* and did understand it.

Yes, I know that most vaccines no longer contain mercury that that
Quote:
is a great thing. I posted my original message in this thread because
someone indicated that the use of thimerosal was a good thing to do.

It is in situations where there is a need for multi-dose vial
distribution. Nothing you posted changed that.

Quote:
I knew that was not true which was the reason for my post.

Well, you were, are, and will continue to be wrong, for all the reasons
stated. One of the key ones is that there is not proof that the mouse
study is applicable to humans.

I do not know
Quote:
if the study that is mentioned above was one of the reasons that most
companies that make vaccines no longer use thimersol.

That has been explained to you. I'll repeat...the FDA and CDC were
concerned that the anti-vac liar fearmongers would scare people away
from using safe and effective vaccines, thus decreasing the uptake of
those vaccines. This would have an adverse effect on herd immunity which
makes vaccination more effective.

You do not seem to want to address this point. I wonder why?
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Joined: 01 May 2005
Posts: 1720

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Thimerosal in vaccines reduces incidence of autism Reply with quote

Jason Johnson wrote:
Quote:
In article <Nsxng.83$V27.10@fe09.lga>, Mark Probert
markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:

Jan Drew wrote:
HCN wrote:

No, it was for political reasons and because of fearmongering.

A repeated lie.

While you may disagree, it is the truth.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mark,
Regardless of the reasons, I think that it's great that thimerosal
is no longer used in most vaccines. I hope that (regardless of the reasons)
that dentists should stop making use of mercury in dental fillings.
Do you think that mercury in vaccines is NOT harmful?

Absolutely. I know that based on my extensive reading, there are no
adverse effects.
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medicine forum Guru Wannabe


Joined: 15 May 2005
Posts: 139

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Thimerosal in vaccines reduces incidence of autism Reply with quote

"Jason Johnson" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-2406062308360001@66-52-22-37.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...
....> HCN,
Quote:
I don't believe that we should give children vaccines or medicines that
contain mercury. It appears that science is on my side related to this
issue. If you don't believe me, read the following information:

You have a very uninformed opinion... and the following information did not
say what you want it to say.

Quote:

The point is simple: "...thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in
vaccines as a precautionary measure and to reduce exposure to mercury from
all sources..."

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/facts­heets/thimerosalqa.htm

Infectious Diseases (NIAID); The American Academy of Pediatrics; and
vaccine
manufacturers agreed that thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in
vaccines as a precautionary measure and to reduce exposure to mercury from
all sources. This decision was based on the various Federal guidelines for
methyl mercury exposure and the assumption that the health risks from
methyl
and ethyl mercury were the same. More research is needed to determine if
the
guidelines for methyl mercury are also appropriate guidelines for
thimerosal. NIAID

Methyl and ethyl mercury are NOT the same as thimerosal. The research shows
that guidelines for those two things are not usefull for thimerosal.


thimerosal research focuses on better understanding what
Quote:
happens to thimerosal once it is introduced in the body and how this
compares to current knowledge of methyl mercury pathways.

http://www.anomalous-images.com/news/news473.html

....


News articles and press releases are NOT scientific papers.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Thimerosal in vaccines reduces incidence of autism Reply with quote

In article <d2Ang.4397$HA2.2434@fe10.lga>, Mark Probert
<markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
Quote:
In article <0qxng.82$V27.63@fe09.lga>, Mark Probert
markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:

In my google search for a study related to thimerosal, I found this:

Medical News Today
Thimerosal, found in childhood vaccines, can increase the risk of
autism-like damage in mice
09 Jun 2004

A new study indicates that postnatal exposure to thimerosal, a mercury
preservative commonly used in a number of childhood vaccines, can lead to
the development of autism-like damage in autoimmune disease susceptible
mice. This animal model, the first to show that the administration of
low-dose ethylmercury can lead to behavioral and neurological changes in
the developing brain, reinforces previous studies showing that a genetic
predisposition affects risk in combination with certain environmental
triggers. The study was conducted by researchers at the Jerome L. and Dawn
Greene Infectious Disease Laboratory at the Mailman School of Public
Health,
Columbia University. Over the past 20 years, there has been a striking
increase--at least ten-fold since 1985--in the number of children
diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders. Genetic factors alone cannot
account for this rise in prevalence. Researchers at the Mailman School,
led by Dr. Mady Hornig, created an animal model to explore the
relationship between thimerosal (ethylmercury) and autism, hypothesizing
that the combination of genetic susceptibility and environmental exposure
to mercury in childhood vaccines may cause neurotoxicity.

Cumulative mercury burden through other sources, including in utero
exposures to mercury in fish or vaccines, may also lead to damage in
susceptible hosts. Timing and quantity of thimerosal dosing for the mouse
model were developed using the U.S. immunization schedule for children,
with doses calculated for mice based on 10th percentile weight of U.S.
boys at age two, four, six, and twelve months.

The researchers found the subset of autoimmune disease susceptible mice
with thimerosal exposure to express many important aspects of the
behavioral and neuropathologic features of autism spectrum disorders,
including:

Abnormal response to novel environments;

Behavioral impoverishment (limited range of behaviors and decreased
exploration of environment); Significant abnormalities in brain
architecture, affecting areas subserving emotion and cognition; Increased
brain size.

These findings have relevance for identification of autism cases relating
to environmental factors; design of treatment strategies; and development
of rational immunization programs. The use of thimerosal in vaccines has
been reduced over the past few years, although it is still present in some
influenza vaccines. Identifying the connection between genetic
susceptibility and an environmental trigger for autism--in this case
thimerosal exposure--is important because it may promote discovery of
effective interventions for and limit exposure in a specific population,
stated the lead author Dr. Mady Hornig. Because the developing brain can
be exposed to toxins that are long gone by the time symptoms appear, clues
gathered in these animal models can then be evaluated through prospective
human birth cohorts--providing a powerful to tool to dissect the
interaction between genes and the environment over time.

Citation source: Molecular Psychiatry 2004 Volume 9, advance on line
publication doi:10.1038/sj.mp.4001529

For further information on this work, please contact Mady Hornig, MD,
Columbia University, Mailman School of Public Health, Greene Infectious
Disease Laboratory, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032, United
States of America, phone: 212-342-9036; FAX: 949-824-1229; e-mail:
mh2092@columbia.edu

ARTICLE: "Neurotoxic effects of postnatal thimerosal are mouse
strain-dependent"


Try to understand this...the second article, not study, that you posted,
says that the effects are dependent on the strain of mouse used. That
means that there are some mouse strains that are not affected by thimerosal.

Now, try to follow along...people are not mice. Understood? Good.

What makes you think that a person would be as susceptible as a mouse?
Were the dosages used in the articles the same as a child would receive
in a vaccine? Are you aware that a child in the western world can get
all vaccinations without thimerosal, thus making this issue moot?

BTW, do try to properly quote.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello,
We both know that medical researchers use mice and other animals in
research projects on a regular basis. It appears that you either failed to
read the entire post or that you read it and failed to understand the
results of the research project. The study "indicates that postnatal
exposure to thimerosal, a mercury preservative commonly used in a number
of childhood vaccines, can lead to the development of autism-like damage
in autoimmune disease susceptible
mice."

Clearly, from my comments, I did read the *article* and did understand it.

Yes, I know that most vaccines no longer contain mercury that that
Quote:
is a great thing. I posted my original message in this thread because
someone indicated that the use of thimerosal was a good thing to do.

It is in situations where there is a need for multi-dose vial
distribution. Nothing you posted changed that.

Quote:
I knew that was not true which was the reason for my post.

Well, you were, are, and will continue to be wrong, for all the reasons
stated. One of the key ones is that there is not proof that the mouse
study is applicable to humans.

I do not know
Quote:
if the study that is mentioned above was one of the reasons that most
companies that make vaccines no longer use thimersol.

That has been explained to you. I'll repeat...the FDA and CDC were
concerned that the anti-vac liar fearmongers would scare people away
from using safe and effective vaccines, thus decreasing the uptake of
those vaccines. This would have an adverse effect on herd immunity which
makes vaccination more effective.

You do not seem to want to address this point. I wonder why?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mark,
I did not address that point since I don't know the process that FDA and
CDC makes use of in making these sorts of decisions. If you are correct,
the FDA does NOT admit that the "anti-vac fearmongers" effected their
decision. Even if that was the reason for the decision, that's alright
with me. It was a great decision. I hope that the anti-mercury fearmongers
cause the FDA and CDC to force dentists to stop making use of mercury in
dental fillings.
I should note that most anti-vac fearmongers will no longer be part of
that movement after thimerosal is removed from ALL vaccines and
medications.
Of course, some of the anti-vac fearmongers will continue to be part of
that movement since they believe that actual vaccines cause autism and
other serious childhood diseases. If you want to find the real reason,
it's explained on pages 63-72 of "What You Must Know About Statin Drugs
and Their Natural Alternatives."
by Jay S. Cohen, M.D. The reason is too complex to discuss in this thread
but upon request, I could provlde a summary of one of the reasons that
some people develop serious side effects (and even diseases) as a result
of taking certain medications. It's related to a problem in relation to
the cytochrome P450 Enzyme System. If you have a medical background, you
should have no problem understanding the reason that some people develop
diseases as a result of taking certain vaccines and certain medications.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Thimerosal in vaccines reduces incidence of autism Reply with quote

"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:Nsxng.83$V27.10@fe09.lga...
Quote:
Jan Drew wrote:
HCN wrote:

No, it was for political reasons and because of fearmongering.

A repeated lie.

While you may disagree, it is the truth.

No. It is NOT the truth. You lie. AGAIN.

[some of these may be no long available, one can easily see why


http://www.niaid.nih.gov/facts­heets/thimerosalqa.htm


Infectious Diseases (NIAID); The American Academy of Pediatrics; and vaccine
manufacturers agreed that thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in
vaccines as a precautionary measure and to reduce exposure to mercury from
all sources. This decision was based on the various Federal guidelines for
methyl mercury exposure and the assumption that the health risks from methyl
and ethyl mercury were the same. More research is needed to determine if the
guidelines for methyl mercury are also appropriate guidelines for
thimerosal. NIAID thimerosal research focuses on better understanding what
happens to thimerosal once it is introduced in the body and how this
compares to current knowledge of methyl mercury pathways.


http://www.anomalous-images.com/news/news473.html


Thursday July 8 5:49 PM ET
Mercury to be removed from vaccines
NEW YORK, Jul 08 (Reuters Health) -- The US Public Health Service (PHS) and
the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) have asked vaccine manufacturers to
phase out a mercury-containing preservative that has been used in some
vaccines since the 1940s.
The preservative, thimerosal, has not been shown to harm children, but some
infants under age 6 months may be exposed to mercury levels in excess of
federal guidelines with the current recommended immunization schedule.
However, ``children who have received thimerosal-containing vaccines do not
need to be tested for mercury exposure,'' according to a joint AAP/PHS
statement.
Health officials advise parents to continue their children's immunization
programs, because the risk of not immunizing children far outweighs the
small risk posed by thimerosal.
``Terrible childhood diseases like whooping cough, bacterial meningitis,
polio and diphtheria are waiting for us to let our guard down,'' according
to a statement issued by Dr. David Satcher, the US. Surgeon General. ``The
risk of devastating childhood diseases from failure to vaccinate far
outweighs the minimal, if any, risk of exposure to cumulative levels of
mercury in vaccines.''
The joint AAP/PHS statement on thimerosal in vaccines appears in the July
9th Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR), the weekly publication of
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in Atlanta, Georgia.
Stories from the MMWR are available at the CDC website, www.cdc.gov.
The report's authors note that European regulatory community reached similar
conclusions earlier this year.
In a statement, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America
(PhRMA) note that while there is currently ``no clinical evidence that the
use of thimerosal has caused adverse health consequences, there is general
consensus that it would be preferable to eliminate thimerosal from vaccines
whenever possible. The vaccine industry is working closely with FDA and
other government agencies to meet this objective.''
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