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marcia
medicine forum addict
Joined: 03 May 2006
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 Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:25 pm Post subject:
Re: Can nutrients be addictive?
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Doc John wrote:
| Quote: | kumar wrote:
Hello,
"Sugar addiction is a popular term for the situation where individuals
crave sweet foods, and find them impossible to give up. There is
clearly an aspect of psychological addiction, but recent research has
also identified elements of physical dependence:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_addiction "
Ooooh! Now, I remember you. You are the same Twit that has been
polluting these ngs for years with your inane questions and babling.
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And you and Mr. Natural Health are the same person. You're not trying
to decieve people, are you? |
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TC
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 02 May 2005
Posts: 1814
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject:
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Jim Chinnis wrote:
| Quote: | "TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in part:
What is not real food? Food that we did not evolve on as an organism.
There is virtually nothing to eat, then. Hardly anything available today was
around even 10,000 years ago, and hardly anything that was around then isn't
now. Every type of fruit and produce we grow has been genetically shaped
over hundreds of years to be sweeter, less fibrous, and easier to grow, not
to mention the increased shelf life.
Shot any wild boar that have fed on the natural flora of 10,000 years ago?
Maybe the closest you could come would be to eat some wild birds, probably
leaving nothing but the feathers and bones.
Honey has been around a hell of a long time. We haven't tinkered with bees
much, but the bees do feed on different flora now.
Maybe you could do okay in the Amazon rain forest.
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Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu
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Well, if you want to get extreme, go ahead. I won't argue such
silliness.
We did not evolve eating vegetable oils like canola and margarine. We
did not evolve eating soy. We did not evolve eating high fructose corn
syrup or even refined white sugar. We did not evolve eating 60% of our
calories as refined grain products. We did not evolve eating
hydrogenated vegetable oils. No preservatives, no antibiotics, no
artificial thickening agents, no binding agents, no powdered or
chemical flavouring agents.
We did evolve eating real animal fats and real animal proteins and real
whole fresh produce and real fresh unpasteurized dairy and real fresh
eggs etc.
For hundreds of thousands of years we evolved eating animal fats and
proteins, and in the 21st century when the food industry develops all
of these new foods, all of a sudden, animals fats and proteins are evil
and the new artificial products become health foods. Talk about
bass-ackwards thinking. And we bought into it, literally and
figuratively.
And in spite of the wide spread consumption of these "healthy" grains
and soybeans and margarine and hfcs-laden "lite" low fat foods, and our
reduction of consumption of dangerous red meats and pork and chicken
skin (too fatty eh) we have never been more obese and more riddled with
diabetes, heart disease and other chronic diseases.
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Jim Chinnis
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 30 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject:
Re: Can nutrients be addictive?
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"TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in part:
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Jim Chinnis wrote:
"TC" <tunderbar@hotmail.com> wrote in part:
What is not real food? Food that we did not evolve on as an organism.
There is virtually nothing to eat, then. Hardly anything available today was
around even 10,000 years ago, and hardly anything that was around then isn't
now. Every type of fruit and produce we grow has been genetically shaped
over hundreds of years to be sweeter, less fibrous, and easier to grow, not
to mention the increased shelf life.
Shot any wild boar that have fed on the natural flora of 10,000 years ago?
Maybe the closest you could come would be to eat some wild birds, probably
leaving nothing but the feathers and bones.
Honey has been around a hell of a long time. We haven't tinkered with bees
much, but the bees do feed on different flora now.
Maybe you could do okay in the Amazon rain forest.
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Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu
Well, if you want to get extreme, go ahead. I won't argue such
silliness.
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It was your silliness. Read your own post.
| Quote: | We did not evolve eating vegetable oils like canola and margarine. We
did not evolve eating soy. We did not evolve eating high fructose corn
syrup or even refined white sugar. We did not evolve eating 60% of our
calories as refined grain products. We did not evolve eating
hydrogenated vegetable oils. No preservatives, no antibiotics, no
artificial thickening agents, no binding agents, no powdered or
chemical flavouring agents.
We did evolve eating real animal fats and real animal proteins and real
whole fresh produce and real fresh unpasteurized dairy and real fresh
eggs etc.
For hundreds of thousands of years we evolved eating animal fats and
proteins, and in the 21st century when the food industry develops all
of these new foods, all of a sudden, animals fats and proteins are evil
and the new artificial products become health foods. Talk about
bass-ackwards thinking. And we bought into it, literally and
figuratively.
And in spite of the wide spread consumption of these "healthy" grains
and soybeans and margarine and hfcs-laden "lite" low fat foods, and our
reduction of consumption of dangerous red meats and pork and chicken
skin (too fatty eh) we have never been more obese and more riddled with
diabetes, heart disease and other chronic diseases.
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What you seem to miss is that the criticisms you have of carby foods apply
perfectly well to meats and dairy.
We no more evolved eating fat-streaked corn-fed beef (hold the organs,
please) than we did eating Wonder Bread.
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Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu |
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Pete
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 02 Nov 2005
Posts: 20
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject:
Re: Can nutrients be addictive?
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marcia wrote:
| Quote: | Doc John wrote:
kumar wrote:
Hello,
"Sugar addiction is a popular term for the situation where
individuals crave sweet foods, and find them impossible to give up.
There is clearly an aspect of psychological addiction, but recent
research has also identified elements of physical dependence:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_addiction "
Ooooh! Now, I remember you. You are the same Twit that has been
polluting these ngs for years with your inane questions and babling.
And you and Mr. Natural Health are the same person. You're not trying
to decieve people, are you?
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Very good Marcia  |
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marcia
medicine forum addict
Joined: 03 May 2006
Posts: 79
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject:
Re: Can nutrients be addictive?
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Pete wrote:
| Quote: | marcia wrote:
And you and Mr. Natural Health are the same person. You're not trying
to decieve people, are you?
Very good Marcia
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LOL. Well, I found out he's also Johngohde@... , so he's three
characters in this thread... or should I say *at least* three. What a
great way to form a concensus!  |
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Mr-Natural-Health
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 01 May 2005
Posts: 1807
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject:
Re: Can nutrients be addictive?
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marcia wrote:
| Quote: | Doc John wrote:
kumar wrote:
Hello,
"Sugar addiction is a popular term for the situation where individuals
crave sweet foods, and find them impossible to give up. There is
clearly an aspect of psychological addiction, but recent research has
also identified elements of physical dependence:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_addiction "
Ooooh! Now, I remember you. You are the same Twit that has been
polluting these ngs for years with your inane questions and babling.
And you and Mr. Natural Health are the same person. You're not trying
to decieve people, are you?
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Do you also believe in UFO's, Ghosts, and Remote Viewing?
Perhaps, in another 10 years it will also dawn on you, why you are here? |
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marcia
medicine forum addict
Joined: 03 May 2006
Posts: 79
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject:
Re: Can nutrients be addictive?
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Doc John wrote:
| Quote: | marcia wrote:
And you and Mr. Natural Health are the same person. You're not trying
to decieve people, are you?
Do you also believe in UFO's, Ghosts, and Remote Viewing?
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Nooooo. I believe in empirical evidence, though. Your Doc John profile
brings up the following information:
*******************************************************
John Gohde
Nickname: Mr-Natural-Health, formerly known as John 'the Man'
Location: Richmond, VA, USA
Email address: johngohde @ naturalhealthperspective.com
Website or Blog: http://naturalhealthperspective.com
Quote:
An advocate of the healing power of nature, I like to comment on the
human condition. I function as William Shakespeare's Chorus and Howdy
Doody's Peanut Gallery on these newsgroups.
*******************************************************
Since you're apparently so good at writing fiction, maybe you can
conjure up an interesting explanation for this? |
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Mr-Natural-Health
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 01 May 2005
Posts: 1807
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:32 am Post subject:
Re: Can nutrients be addictive?
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marcia wrote:
| Quote: | Doc John wrote:
marcia wrote:
And you and Mr. Natural Health are the same person. You're not trying
to decieve people, are you?
Do you also believe in UFO's, Ghosts, and Remote Viewing?
Nooooo. I believe in empirical evidence, though. Your Doc John profile
brings up the following information:
*******************************************************
John Gohde
Nickname: Mr-Natural-Health, formerly known as John 'the Man'
Location: Richmond, VA, USA
Email address: johngohde @ naturalhealthperspective.com
Website or Blog: http://naturalhealthperspective.com
Quote:
An advocate of the healing power of nature, I like to comment on the
human condition. I function as William Shakespeare's Chorus and Howdy
Doody's Peanut Gallery on these newsgroups.
*******************************************************
Since you're apparently so good at writing fiction, maybe you can
conjure up an interesting explanation for this?
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All you Geeks are mentally slow. And, you guys have been doing a
excellent job of exposing just how dull your brain power actually is.
You are just now pondering what us Quacks knew a 100 years ago.
I recommend that you call up Coast-to-Coast tonight and tell them about
your conspiracy theory. I am sure that a few callers will claim to
have been abducted by aliens. Hey, why don't you use remote viewing to
visit me in Richmond?
Boy, are you mentally slow. And, I do not mind saying so. :)
You have my condolences. |
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marcia
medicine forum addict
Joined: 03 May 2006
Posts: 79
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:01 am Post subject:
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Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
| Quote: | marcia wrote:
Nooooo. I believe in empirical evidence, though. Your Doc John profile
brings up the following information:
*******************************************************
John Gohde
Nickname: Mr-Natural-Health, formerly known as John 'the Man'
Location: Richmond, VA, USA
Email address: johngohde @ naturalhealthperspective.com
Website or Blog: http://naturalhealthperspective.com
Quote:
An advocate of the healing power of nature, I like to comment on the
human condition. I function as William Shakespeare's Chorus and Howdy
Doody's Peanut Gallery on these newsgroups.
*******************************************************
Since you're apparently so good at writing fiction, maybe you can
conjure up an interesting explanation for this?
All you Geeks are mentally slow. And, you guys have been doing a
excellent job of exposing just how dull your brain power actually is.
You are just now pondering what us Quacks knew a 100 years ago.
I recommend that you call up Coast-to-Coast tonight and tell them about
your conspiracy theory. I am sure that a few callers will claim to
have been abducted by aliens. Hey, why don't you use remote viewing to
visit me in Richmond?
Boy, are you mentally slow. And, I do not mind saying so. :)
You have my condolences.
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Are you what they call a "sock puppet"?
Maybe you can explain how all three of you have AOL accounts that
connect to the internet using IP addresses that place *ALL THREE OF
YOU* in *EXACTLY THE SAME CITY* (which, incidentally, is not Richmond,
VA)? Perhaps you can explain how you are all using the same type of
computer, with the same Windows '98 operating system, and the same
browser? Are you neighbors? Brothers? Co-workers? C'mon, think fast!
How far would you like me to go with this little investigation? Because
the more you deny the truth, the more motivated I feel to pursue it.
Keep going writing... prove that *I'm* the one who's mentally slow. |
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Nico Kadel-Garcia
medicine forum addict
Joined: 22 May 2005
Posts: 66
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:08 am Post subject:
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TC wrote:
| Quote: | Well, if you want to get extreme, go ahead. I won't argue such
silliness.
We did not evolve eating vegetable oils like canola and margarine. We
did not evolve eating soy. We did not evolve eating high fructose corn
syrup or even refined white sugar. We did not evolve eating 60% of our
calories as refined grain products. We did not evolve eating
hydrogenated vegetable oils. No preservatives, no antibiotics, no
artificial thickening agents, no binding agents, no powdered or
chemical flavouring agents.
We did evolve eating real animal fats and real animal proteins and
real whole fresh produce and real fresh unpasteurized dairy and real
fresh eggs etc.
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Much of which was partly spoiled. There's interesting evidence in our
digestive tract that we're used to eating real carrion and other semi-rotten
cruft. We're *omnivores*, baby. That ain't "wholesome goodness", that's
eating everything that doesn't outrun us.
| Quote: | For hundreds of thousands of years we evolved eating animal fats and
proteins, and in the 21st century when the food industry develops all
of these new foods, all of a sudden, animals fats and proteins are
evil and the new artificial products become health foods. Talk about
bass-ackwards thinking. And we bought into it, literally and
figuratively.
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Well, Americans certainly typically get a lot more meat, and a lot more food
in general, than we could have reasonably hoped for until fairly recently.
And it's much more expensive to produce than plant-based food, so there are
economic reasons to cut back.
| Quote: | And in spite of the wide spread consumption of these "healthy" grains
and soybeans and margarine and hfcs-laden "lite" low fat foods, and
our reduction of consumption of dangerous red meats and pork and
chicken skin (too fatty eh) we have never been more obese and more
riddled with diabetes, heart disease and other chronic diseases.
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That's because most of us don't cut back: we're used to eating when we can,
when resources are available before the winter hits and we'll be hungry for
a few months, but now we get food shipped from elsewhere. This has little to
do with carnivorous or herbivorous behavior.
And also, remember that getting milk after infancy is pretty unusual, so
throw out all that tasty dairy right away as you climb on your high horse. |
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Mr-Natural-Health
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 01 May 2005
Posts: 1807
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:05 am Post subject:
Re: Can nutrients be addictive?
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marcia wrote:
| Quote: | Are you what they call a "sock puppet"?
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Are you what they call an A-Hole?
Yes, I definitely think so? Too bad you don't, think too goog. :(
| Quote: | Maybe you can explain how all three of you have AOL accounts that
connect to the internet using IP addresses that place *ALL THREE OF
YOU* in *EXACTLY THE SAME CITY* (which, incidentally, is not Richmond,
VA)? Perhaps you can explain how you are all using the same type of
computer, with the same Windows '98 operating system, and the same
browser? Are you neighbors? Brothers? Co-workers? C'mon, think fast!
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What in the hell are you talking about A-Hole? Any fool can figure out
where my posts are coming from. Guess what? My service allows me, and
millions of other posters, to use a different account name in each ng
that I am subscribed to. Don't use or even know what your options are?
That makes you an a-hole, A-Hole.
So what is your problem A-Hole?
Oh, I know. You are fundamentally just a Moron.
You have my condolences, A-Hole. |
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marcia
medicine forum addict
Joined: 03 May 2006
Posts: 79
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:11 pm Post subject:
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Doc John wrote:
No, Doc John, Mr. Natural-Health, and John Gohde et al., it doesn't
make *me* the one with the problem. It means *you* are trying to
mislead people by posting to the same thread under three different
names in order to make it appear that more people agree with you than
actually do. IOW, you're attempting to form a false consensus.
Your defensiveness supports this theory. You wouldn't have initially
*denied the truth*, and then gotten angry and called me names if you
didn't know you were caught being deceitful. Your response is typical
of someone who's been caught in a lie.
That your ISP and Usenet permits you to use more than one account
doesn't change the fact that you're doing so to mislead people.
Call me whatever you like; the history of your behavior shows you to be
sociopathic. You've made a wise choice in confessing. I'm done
investigating you now.
Have a nice day. :)
marcia |
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marcia
medicine forum addict
Joined: 03 May 2006
Posts: 79
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:13 pm Post subject:
Re: Can nutrients be addictive?
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Kumar wrote:
| Quote: | marcia wrote:
Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
marcia wrote:
Nooooo. I believe in empirical evidence, though. Your Doc John profile
brings up the following information:
*******************************************************
John Gohde
Nickname: Mr-Natural-Health, formerly known as John 'the Man'
Location: Richmond, VA, USA
Email address: johngohde @ naturalhealthperspective.com
Website or Blog: http://naturalhealthperspective.com
Quote:
An advocate of the healing power of nature, I like to comment on the
human condition. I function as William Shakespeare's Chorus and Howdy
Doody's Peanut Gallery on these newsgroups.
*******************************************************
Since you're apparently so good at writing fiction, maybe you can
conjure up an interesting explanation for this?
All you Geeks are mentally slow. And, you guys have been doing a
excellent job of exposing just how dull your brain power actually is.
You are just now pondering what us Quacks knew a 100 years ago.
I recommend that you call up Coast-to-Coast tonight and tell them about
your conspiracy theory. I am sure that a few callers will claim to
have been abducted by aliens. Hey, why don't you use remote viewing to
visit me in Richmond?
Boy, are you mentally slow. And, I do not mind saying so. :)
You have my condolences.
Are you what they call a "sock puppet"?
Maybe you can explain how all three of you have AOL accounts that
connect to the internet using IP addresses that place *ALL THREE OF
YOU* in *EXACTLY THE SAME CITY* (which, incidentally, is not Richmond,
VA)? Perhaps you can explain how you are all using the same type of
computer, with the same Windows '98 operating system, and the same
browser? Are you neighbors? Brothers? Co-workers? C'mon, think fast!
How far would you like me to go with this little investigation? Because
the more you deny the truth, the more motivated I feel to pursue it.
Keep going writing... prove that *I'm* the one who's mentally slow. :)
All,
Pls try to concentrate on topic subject and contribute whatever you
can.
Whether establishing of local long term blood flow regulations of
increasing and decreasing the size and numbers of arteries (which may
be due to addictive substance or excess or deficient nutrients) can be
a reason o expressing/getting addiction, physical dependance,
physiological tollerance etc.?
Can't excesses or deficiencies of nutrients trigger and establish
local long term blood flow regulations to save tissues from toxicities
or defficiencies of these as per need?
Can nutients be toxic or harmful to target and other tissues, if
exposed to them in excess?
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There's no blood feud. I'm done with him now. If you want to carry on a
conversation with one person and two of his sock puppets, that's your
business. |
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marcia
medicine forum addict
Joined: 03 May 2006
Posts: 79
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject:
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Sorry... the last post had no attribution... here it is again. Please
ignore if this is irrelevent to you.
Doc John wrote:
| Quote: | marcia wrote:
Are you what they call a "sock puppet"?
Are you what they call an A-Hole?
Yes, I definitely think so? Too bad you don't, think too goog. :(
Maybe you can explain how all three of you have AOL accounts that
connect to the internet using IP addresses that place *ALL THREE OF
YOU* in *EXACTLY THE SAME CITY* (which, incidentally, is not Richmond,
VA)? Perhaps you can explain how you are all using the same type of
computer, with the same Windows '98 operating system, and the same
browser? Are you neighbors? Brothers? Co-workers? C'mon, think fast!
What in the hell are you talking about A-Hole? Any fool can figure out
where my posts are coming from. Guess what? My service allows me, and
millions of other posters, to use a different account name in each ng
that I am subscribed to. Don't use or even know what your options are?
That makes you an a-hole, A-Hole.
So what is your problem A-Hole?
Oh, I know. You are fundamentally just a Moron.
You have my condolences, A-Hole.
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Doc John wrote:
No, Doc John, Mr. Natural-Health, and John Gohde et al., it doesn't
make *me* the one with the problem. It means *you* are trying to
mislead people by posting to the same thread under three different
names in order to make it appear that more people agree with you than
actually do. IOW, you're attempting to form a false consensus.
Your defensiveness supports this theory. You wouldn't have initially
*denied the truth*, and then gotten angry and called me names if you
didn't know you were caught being deceitful. Your response is typical
of someone who's been caught in a lie.
That your ISP and Usenet permits you to use more than one account
doesn't change the fact that you're doing so to mislead people.
Call me whatever you like; the history of your behavior shows you to be
a common sociopath. You've made a wise choice in confessing. I'm done
investigating you now.
Have a nice day.
marcia |
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Kumar
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 10 May 2005
Posts: 870
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject:
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marcia wrote:
| Quote: | Doc John wrote:
No, Doc John, Mr. Natural-Health, and John Gohde et al., it doesn't
make *me* the one with the problem. It means *you* are trying to
mislead people by posting to the same thread under three different
names in order to make it appear that more people agree with you than
actually do. IOW, you're attempting to form a false consensus.
Your defensiveness supports this theory. You wouldn't have initially
*denied the truth*, and then gotten angry and called me names if you
didn't know you were caught being deceitful. Your response is typical
of someone who's been caught in a lie.
That your ISP and Usenet permits you to use more than one account
doesn't change the fact that you're doing so to mislead people.
Call me whatever you like; the history of your behavior shows you to be
sociopathic. You've made a wise choice in confessing. I'm done
investigating you now.
Have a nice day. :)
marcia
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Request; Pls avoid everything other then the topic subject. |
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