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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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GaryG wrote:
| Quote: | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/06/15/wlab15.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/06/15/ixnews.html
or, http://tinyurl.com/r45m7
"A butterfly has been reproduced by scientists, revealing for the first time
the colourful past of a striking wild species.
The experiment **suggests** that a South American species is the product of an
evolutionary process that many scientists did not consider likely in
animals."
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**emphasis** added.
There is no mention of hybrid speciation in Darwin's Theory of
Evolution as presented in his book "The Origin of Species."
Sorry. Evolution is still dead. Whether a hybrid species is sterile
(mules) or reproductive (Heliconius heurippa) is entirely up to GOD.
No such thing as Mother Nature as Darwin has posited. Please forgive
all my iniquities.
To understand this, simply surf the link under my sig.
All glory and praise to LORD GOD Almighty, Whom I love with all my
heart, soul, mind, and strength.
Still praying for your poor enslaved soul, dear GaryG.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
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GaryG
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam2@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
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Most scientific studies are written that way (e.g., "our results
suggest..."). That's because, unlike the certainty that derives from the
voices in your head, science understands that its knowledge is provisional
and subject to further revision or even refutation.
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There is no mention of hybrid speciation in Darwin's Theory of
Evolution as presented in his book "The Origin of Species."
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Yet another reason science trumps religion in this arena...science marches
forward, with new findings and interpretations, while religion looks firmly
backwards.
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Sorry. Evolution is still dead. Whether a hybrid species is sterile
(mules) or reproductive (Heliconius heurippa) is entirely up to GOD.
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Science continues to advance, with new data and new interpretations. Over
time, the body of scientific knowledge tends to coalesce and become more
accepted by all, as the evidence warrants. This is clearly the case with
the theory of evolution of species, and this study simply adds more evidence
in favor of it.
Religion, on the other hand, looks backward in time, depending on myths,
legends, and political tracts that were written back in the Bronze Age. The
varying interpretations of same result in increasing schisms over time,
rather than increasing coalescence. If there were a universal "truth"
present in religion, wouldn't we be seeing more and more people come
together supporting that one version of the truth? Instead, we see more and
more interpretations, with religions splitting into new religions as they
split hairs over their picayune differences (and, often, killing each other
in the process).
| Quote: | No such thing as Mother Nature as Darwin has posited. Please forgive
all my iniquities.
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I do, Andy...in your mental state, you can't help yourself.
BTW - could you provide a cite for where Darwin posited "Mother Nature"? I
don't think he ever did (however, unlike religious fundamentalists and
lunatics, I'm open to evidence to the contrary).
GG
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To understand this, simply surf the link under my sig.
All glory and praise to LORD GOD Almighty, Whom I love with all my
heart, soul, mind, and strength.
Still praying for your poor enslaved soul, dear GaryG.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/m3gmu
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nospam9@heartmdphd.com
medicine forum addict
Joined: 21 Jan 2006
Posts: 70
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:37 pm Post subject:
Re: Butterfly Effect: New Species Bred in Lab
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GaryG wrote:
| Quote: | "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam2@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1150363305.639894.134400@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
GaryG wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/06/15/wlab15.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/06/15/ixnews.html
or, http://tinyurl.com/r45m7
"A butterfly has been reproduced by scientists, revealing for the first
time
the colourful past of a striking wild species.
The experiment **suggests** that a South American species is the product
of an
evolutionary process that many scientists did not consider likely in
animals."
**emphasis** added.
Most scientific studies are written that way (e.g., "our results
suggest...").
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Yes, because there is much uncertainty in science, which is the search
for the truth which continues to elude non-Christian scientists.
| Quote: | That's because, unlike the certainty that derives from the
voices in your head,
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Actually, during my continued walk with Christ, HE has been keeping me
completely well.
All thanks and praises and glory to LORD GOD Almighty, Whom I love with
all my heart, soul, mind and strength.
| Quote: | science understands that its knowledge is provisional
and subject to further revision or even refutation.
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For this reason, true scientists have rejected Darwin's TOE.
Theories are formulated to be either rejected and replaced with a new
theory or promoted to Law when proven to be true.
| Quote: | There is no mention of hybrid speciation in Darwin's Theory of
Evolution as presented in his book "The Origin of Species."
Yet another reason science trumps religion in this arena...science marches
forward, with new findings and interpretations, while religion looks firmly
backwards.
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Thankfully, Christianity is not a religion but an ongoing personal
relationship with Christ and so Christians look forward to the future,
which the LORD GOD Almighty promises to be the rest of eternity with
HIM.
All praises and glory to GOD, now and forever.
| Quote: | Sorry. Evolution is still dead. Whether a hybrid species is sterile
(mules) or reproductive (Heliconius heurippa) is entirely up to GOD.
Science continues to advance, with new data and new interpretations.
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Only because the LORD wills it.
| Quote: | Over
time, the body of scientific knowledge tends to coalesce and become more
accepted by all, as the evidence warrants. This is clearly the case with
the theory of evolution of species, and this study simply adds more evidence
in favor of it.
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Actually, it does not. The mating of two different species to create a
new species occurred because GOD permitted humans to do this just as he
permitted mules. Darwin's Mother Nature had nothing do with any of
this because she does not exist.
| Quote: | Religion, on the other hand, looks backward in time, depending on myths,
legends, and political tracts that were written back in the Bronze Age. The
varying interpretations of same result in increasing schisms over time,
rather than increasing coalescence. If there were a universal "truth"
present in religion, wouldn't we be seeing more and more people come
together supporting that one version of the truth?
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The truth is LORD Jesus Christ, Who is not a religion.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life... " -- LORD Jesus Christ.
| Quote: | Instead, we see more and
more interpretations, with religions splitting into new religions as they
split hairs over their picayune differences (and, often, killing each other
in the process).
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That is what happens when folks lose sight of the truth.
| Quote: | No such thing as Mother Nature as Darwin has posited. Please forgive
all my iniquities.
I do, Andy...in your mental state, you can't help yourself.
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It remains my personal choice to continue walking with Christ, Whom I
love with all my being.
| Quote: | BTW - could you provide a cite for where Darwin posited "Mother Nature"? I
don't think he ever did (however, unlike religious fundamentalists and
lunatics, I'm open to evidence to the contrary).
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Certainly:
http://tinyurl.com/jp4kt
Truth is simple.
Truth is invincible.
Truth is absolute.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ.
Marana tha !
Still praying for your poor tortured soul, dear Gary.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
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Sasha
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 15 Jun 2006
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
| Quote: | Actually, during my continued walk with Christ, HE has been keeping me
completely well.
All thanks and praises and glory to LORD GOD Almighty, Whom I love with
all my heart, soul, mind and strength.
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You're a fucking idiot. |
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Sasha
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Joined: 15 Jun 2006
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
| Quote: | Actually, during my continued walk with Christ, HE has been keeping me
completely well.
All thanks and praises and glory to LORD GOD Almighty, Whom I love with
all my heart, soul, mind and strength.
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You're a fucking idiot. |
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Cardinal Numbaz
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 05 Dec 2005
Posts: 323
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
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The truth is LORD Jesus Christ, Who is not a religion.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life... " -- LORD Jesus Christ.
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Just a THEORY, and one with no evidence.
Why don't you Christers, and other god-botherers ever accept that your
articles of blind faith should be subject to the same standards of
scrutiny as reality is?
Why are you scared of proper scrutiny, that you need to throw dust in
the faces of mankind?
Why do you need to shroud your sacred objects in mysticism?
Why can those who preach the word of God never be straight with
anybody?
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Al
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 08 Jun 2005
Posts: 385
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CHUNG WHACKS OUT!
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Confirmed Whacko LIAR:
| Quote: | Here's the BIG LIE:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Did not attempt exorcism.
Wanna bet, Chung? Here's EXACTLY what you said:
"In the infinitely powerful and holy name of LORD Jesus Christ, I
command you, demon, to come out and leave Philip before our LORD
personally destroys you. "
Chung caught in a boldfaced lie! |
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nospam7@heartmdphd.com
medicine forum Guru
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Posts: 470
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:24 pm Post subject:
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Sasha wrote:
| Quote: | Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Actually, during my continued walk with Christ, HE has been keeping me
completely well.
All thanks and praises and glory to LORD GOD Almighty, Whom I love with
all my heart, soul, mind and strength.
You're a fucking idiot.
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Sorry the truth bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my
iniquities.
To understand this, simply surf the link below my sig.
All praises and glory to LORD GOD Almighty.
You will be in my prayers, dear neighbor.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/m3gnu |
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Mike Painter
medicine forum beginner
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Posts: 20
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:25 pm Post subject:
Re: Butterfly Effect: New Species Bred in Lab
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
<snip>
| Quote: | Theories are formulated to be either rejected and replaced with a new
theory or promoted to Law when proven to be true.
ABC shows that doctors follow normal curves also and joins the select few at |
the far end who never really learned any science. |
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nospam7@heartmdphd.com
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 27 Dec 2005
Posts: 470
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:34 pm Post subject:
Re: Butterfly Effect: New Species Bred in Lab
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Mike Painter wrote:
| Quote: | Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
snip
Theories are formulated to be either rejected and replaced with a new
theory or promoted to Law when proven to be true.
ABC shows that doctors follow normal curves also and joins the select few at
the far end who never really learned any science.
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You remind me of the blind man who would feign vision among the seeing
by pretending to evaluate their visual acuity.
To understand this, simply surf the link below my sig.
All praises and glory to LORD GOD Almighty, Whom I love with all my
heart, soul, mind and strength.
Marana tha !
Still praying for your tortured soul, dear Mike.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/m3gnu |
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Robert Weldon
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 03 May 2005
Posts: 8
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject:
Re: Butterfly Effect: New Species Bred in Lab
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam9@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1150382244.135527.148150@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | GaryG wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam2@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1150363305.639894.134400@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
GaryG wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/06/15/wlab15.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/06/15/ixnews.html
or, http://tinyurl.com/r45m7
"A butterfly has been reproduced by scientists, revealing for the
first
time
the colourful past of a striking wild species.
The experiment **suggests** that a South American species is the
product
of an
evolutionary process that many scientists did not consider likely in
animals."
**emphasis** added.
Most scientific studies are written that way (e.g., "our results
suggest...").
Yes, because there is much uncertainty in science, which is the search
for the truth which continues to elude non-Christian scientists.
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No, it is just how science works, nothing to do with religion.
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That's because, unlike the certainty that derives from the
voices in your head,
Actually, during my continued walk with Christ, HE has been keeping me
completely well.
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Really, then how come you lost privledges at your hospital, effectively
ensuring that you can't practice medicine? And I challenge your statement
about being completely well. Someone who goes so completely off the deep
end, to the point that they loose their job, has a serious mental illness,
get help.
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All thanks and praises and glory to LORD GOD Almighty, Whom I love with
all my heart, soul, mind and strength.
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That's nice, why don't you keep it too yourself, and stop bothering
everybody.
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science understands that its knowledge is provisional
and subject to further revision or even refutation.
For this reason, true scientists have rejected Darwin's TOE.
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No, you are lying, or seriously demented, the TOE is accepted by real
scientists.
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Theories are formulated to be either rejected and replaced with a new
theory or promoted to Law when proven to be true.
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Bullshit, learn what a theory is, in the scientific world. A theory is the
strongest possible support in science. It is still falsifiable, but hasn't
been yet.
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There is no mention of hybrid speciation in Darwin's Theory of
Evolution as presented in his book "The Origin of Species."
Yet another reason science trumps religion in this arena...science
marches
forward, with new findings and interpretations, while religion looks
firmly
backwards.
Thankfully, Christianity is not a religion but an ongoing personal
relationship with Christ and so Christians look forward to the future,
which the LORD GOD Almighty promises to be the rest of eternity with
HIM.
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No, it's just one branch of religion, of many, many different variants.
You, on the other hand, are showing strong signs of mental illness, get
help.
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All praises and glory to GOD, now and forever.
Sorry. Evolution is still dead. Whether a hybrid species is sterile
(mules) or reproductive (Heliconius heurippa) is entirely up to GOD.
Science continues to advance, with new data and new interpretations.
Only because the LORD wills it.
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Whatever
| Quote: |
Over
time, the body of scientific knowledge tends to coalesce and become more
accepted by all, as the evidence warrants. This is clearly the case with
the theory of evolution of species, and this study simply adds more
evidence
in favor of it.
Actually, it does not. The mating of two different species to create a
new species occurred because GOD permitted humans to do this just as he
permitted mules. Darwin's Mother Nature had nothing do with any of
this because she does not exist.
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Neither does your god
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Religion, on the other hand, looks backward in time, depending on myths,
legends, and political tracts that were written back in the Bronze Age.
The
varying interpretations of same result in increasing schisms over time,
rather than increasing coalescence. If there were a universal "truth"
present in religion, wouldn't we be seeing more and more people come
together supporting that one version of the truth?
The truth is LORD Jesus Christ, Who is not a religion.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life... " -- LORD Jesus Christ.
Instead, we see more and
more interpretations, with religions splitting into new religions as they
split hairs over their picayune differences (and, often, killing each
other
in the process).
That is what happens when folks lose sight of the truth.
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Yes (pointed look at Andrew B. Chung)
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No such thing as Mother Nature as Darwin has posited. Please forgive
all my iniquities.
I do, Andy...in your mental state, you can't help yourself.
It remains my personal choice to continue walking with Christ, Whom I
love with all my being.
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That's nice, why don't you keep it too yourself and stop bothering the
adults.
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BTW - could you provide a cite for where Darwin posited "Mother Nature"?
I
don't think he ever did (however, unlike religious fundamentalists and
lunatics, I'm open to evidence to the contrary).
Certainly:
http://tinyurl.com/jp4kt
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Religious crap snipped
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Robert Weldon
medicine forum beginner
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Posts: 8
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:12 pm Post subject:
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam7@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1150396466.915358.92140@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Mike Painter wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
snip
Theories are formulated to be either rejected and replaced with a new
theory or promoted to Law when proven to be true.
ABC shows that doctors follow normal curves also and joins the select few
at
the far end who never really learned any science.
You remind me of the blind man who would feign vision among the seeing
by pretending to evaluate their visual acuity.
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You remind me of the many mentally ill people I have met.
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To understand this, simply surf the link below my sig.
All praises and glory to LORD GOD Almighty, Whom I love with all my
heart, soul, mind and strength.
Marana tha !
Still praying for your tortured soul, dear Mike.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/m3gnu
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Cary Kittrell
medicine forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 04 May 2005
Posts: 124
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:48 pm Post subject:
Re: Butterfly Effect: New Species Bred in Lab
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In article <1150382244.135527.148150@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam9@heartmdphd.com> writes:
| Quote: | GaryG wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam2@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1150363305.639894.134400@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
GaryG wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/06/15/wlab15.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/06/15/ixnews.html
or, http://tinyurl.com/r45m7
"A butterfly has been reproduced by scientists, revealing for the first
time
the colourful past of a striking wild species.
The experiment **suggests** that a South American species is the product
of an
evolutionary process that many scientists did not consider likely in
animals."
**emphasis** added.
Most scientific studies are written that way (e.g., "our results
suggest...").
Yes, because there is much uncertainty in science, which is the search
for the truth which continues to elude non-Christian scientists.
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Really? How is ... oh say, the search in materials science for a quantum level
description with predictive power looking for something which eludes only
non-Christian scientists? In what manner is pursuing room-temperature
superconduction a search for something that only non-Christian scientists
are missing?
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That's because, unlike the certainty that derives from the
voices in your head,
Actually, during my continued walk with Christ, HE has been keeping me
completely well.
All thanks and praises and glory to LORD GOD Almighty, Whom I love with
all my heart, soul, mind and strength.
science understands that its knowledge is provisional
and subject to further revision or even refutation.
For this reason, true scientists have rejected Darwin's TOE.
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Funny, I just attended four lecture by paleontologist Simon
Conway Morris, a noted writer on evolution who also wears
his Christian beliefs on his sleeve. Given the early
age at which Conway Morris was elected to the Royal
Society -- or simply given his incisive interpratations
of the Burgess Shales and similar Cambrian fossils,
for that matter -- I'd say he was a "true scientist"
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Theories are formulated to be either rejected and replaced with a new
theory or promoted to Law when proven to be true.
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Nothing in science is ever proven to be true. Newton's laws
of motion turned out to be only the limiting case. The Law of Conservation
of Energy was found to be incomplete. Theories are as high in
the conjecture/hypothesis/theory heirarchy as you can get.
| Quote: |
There is no mention of hybrid speciation in Darwin's Theory of
Evolution as presented in his book "The Origin of Species."
Yet another reason science trumps religion in this arena...science marches
forward, with new findings and interpretations, while religion looks firmly
backwards.
Thankfully, Christianity is not a religion but an ongoing personal
relationship with Christ and so Christians look forward to the future,
which the LORD GOD Almighty promises to be the rest of eternity with
HIM.
All praises and glory to GOD, now and forever.
Sorry. Evolution is still dead. Whether a hybrid species is sterile
(mules) or reproductive (Heliconius heurippa) is entirely up to GOD.
Science continues to advance, with new data and new interpretations.
Only because the LORD wills it.
Over
time, the body of scientific knowledge tends to coalesce and become more
accepted by all, as the evidence warrants. This is clearly the case with
the theory of evolution of species, and this study simply adds more evidence
in favor of it.
Actually, it does not. The mating of two different species to create a
new species occurred because GOD permitted humans to do this just as he
permitted mules. Darwin's Mother Nature had nothing do with any of
this because she does not exist.
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And where does Darwin use the phrase "Mother Nature", pray tell?
Here, one example will suffice:
-- cary |
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Mike Painter
medicine forum beginner
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Posts: 20
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:15 am Post subject:
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
| Quote: | Mike Painter wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
snip
Theories are formulated to be either rejected and replaced with a
new theory or promoted to Law when proven to be true.
ABC shows that doctors follow normal curves also and joins the
select few at the far end who never really learned any science.
You remind me of the blind man who would feign vision among the seeing
by pretending to evaluate their visual acuity.
To understand this, simply surf the link below my sig.
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There is nothing to understand. You don't know what a theory is.
I've worked with docs like you and seen the results. |
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