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chestnut
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:22 am    Post subject: iron deficiency Reply with quote

Iron definiciency..phew, it killed me : anaemic I became. Not only
that, I lost blood a lot when I had an accident, which aggravated the
iron deficiency. But with medications, I got okay!..thx God..


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GMCarter
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:59 am    Post subject: Re: Iron Deficiency Reply with quote

On 13 Jun 2006 19:35:04 -0700, "ironjustice@aol.com"
<ironjustice@aol.com> wrote:

Quote:

GMCarter wrote:

Causes of too little iron can include increased demands for iron
during growth spurts,

This has been shown to be .. wrong..

The iron is NOT 'used' for growth spurts ..

So you claim. What is your evidence?

Not saying you're right or wrong--I just don't accept such assertions
without some form of evidence.

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pregnancy or blood loss,

Women do NOT 'bleed to death' .. and pregnant women upregulate iron
absorption if .. need .. be ..

Ah....nowhere did it suggest that women bleed to death?

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diets that do not
include enough iron, B12, B6, folate, vitamin A and zinc.

If one eats .. one 'gets' .. enough .. iron ..

Another assertion.

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We store seven months worth of iron and it is NEVER 'used up' ..

So you assert.

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Iron
deficiency anemia can also be caused by blood loss from heavy periods,

Bleeding to death .. ? Our women .. simply .. bleed out ..?

Again, no evidence of "to death" in the original material.

Some women have heavier periods than others. They do not die from that
condition in the vast majority of cases, nor does this paper suggest
that.

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In anemia of chronic disease, a person can
appear to be iron deficient when in fact, the body is withholding iron
from harmful disease.

Too little iron can also occur in patients with
too much iron.

???

This is the 'unutilized iron' .. that I mentioned before ..

The 'same anemia' / iron deficiency .. which is so prevalent in our ..
world.

Anemia related to iron deficiency is characterized differently from
other types of anemias and can be identified by light microscopy.

See
http://www.mercydesmoines.org/ADAM/WellConnected/articles/000057.asp

http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/blood_smear/test.html
http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/blood_smear/details.html

Smaller red blood cells (microcytosis), those with burrs and/or a
paler color all point to iron deficiency.

The clinical outcome of iron supplementation in the case of this type
of anemia is that the situation is corrected. See:
http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/iron.asp

They note:
"Iron deficiency anemia is an advanced stage of iron depletion. It
occurs when storage sites of iron are deficient and blood levels of
iron cannot meet daily needs. Blood hemoglobin levels are below normal
with iron deficiency anemia [1]."

and further on:
"Physicians monitor the effectiveness of iron supplements by measuring
laboratory indices, including reticulocyte count (levels of newly
formed red blood cells), hemoglobin levels, and ferritin levels. In
the presence of anemia, reticulocyte counts will begin to rise after a
few days of supplementation. Hemoglobin usually increases within 2 to
3 weeks of starting iron supplementation."

There are citations at the end of the document to which you may wish
to refer.

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Not 'no iron' .. but iron which isn't being .. utilized ..

Not being used ..

Vague. Assertions. No evidence.

Try again, dear.

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Who loves ya.

I'm pretty sure you don't.

In any event, I think most men do NOT need to supplement with iron.
Those with iron-deficiency anemia may benefit from a short course.
Women may benefit from small amounts.

Use of antioxidants like vitamin E and a B complex can offset the
potential for undesirable oxidative stress.

A multivitamin/mineral is probably fine with a bit of iron (unless one
has liver disease)...but I wonder if the zinc and copper often found
in an MVM might not abrogate iron absorption? Any thoughts, anyone?

George M. Carter
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ironjustice@aol.com
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 2:35 am    Post subject: Re: Iron Deficiency Reply with quote

GMCarter wrote:>
Quote:

Causes of too little iron can include increased demands for iron
during growth spurts,

This has been shown to be .. wrong..

The iron is NOT 'used' for growth spurts ..

Quote:
pregnancy or blood loss,

Women do NOT 'bleed to death' .. and pregnant women upregulate iron
absorption if .. need .. be ..

Quote:
diets that do not
include enough iron, B12, B6, folate, vitamin A and zinc.

If one eats .. one 'gets' .. enough .. iron ..

We store seven months worth of iron and it is NEVER 'used up' ..



Quote:
Iron
deficiency anemia can also be caused by blood loss from heavy periods,

Bleeding to death .. ? Our women .. simply .. bleed out ..?


Quote:
In anemia of chronic disease, a person can
appear to be iron deficient when in fact, the body is withholding iron
from harmful disease.

Too little iron can also occur in patients with
too much iron.

???

This is the 'unutilized iron' .. that I mentioned before ..

The 'same anemia' / iron deficiency .. which is so prevalent in our ..
world.

Not 'no iron' .. but iron which isn't being .. utilized ..

Not being used ..


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monty1945@lycos.com
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Iron Deficiency Reply with quote

Few people on a "typical American diet" have iron deficiencies.
Rather, as Spiteller pointed out, when there is cellular-level stress
and a diet high in PUFAs, there will be a great deal of iron ion
liberation, causing a great deal of damage. Thus, if one appears to be
deficient, it is more likely that the person is undergoing a lot of
cellular-level stress, which uses up the iron in dangerous free radical
mediated reactions. Of course, when the person becomes ill, it may be
blamed on "iron deficiency."
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GMCarter
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:55 am    Post subject: Iron Deficiency Reply with quote

Interesting website. Looks at both sides of this issue: overload and
deficiency.

Jesus wasn't black and white?
George M. Carter

http://www.irondisorders.org/Disorders/TooLittleIron.asp
Too Little Iron


Too little iron is called iron deficiency, which can become iron
deficiency anemia.

Symptoms Can Include:

# shortness of breath
# irregular heart beat
# sensitivity to cold weakness
# pale skin and membranes (inside of mouth, eyelids)


Causes of too little iron can include increased demands for iron
during growth spurts, pregnancy or blood loss, diets that do not
include enough iron, B12, B6, folate, vitamin A and zinc. Iron
deficiency anemia can also be caused by blood loss from heavy periods,
certain medications--especially ones that contain aspirin, and
treatments for chronic (ongoing) diseases. Other causes can be due to
poor absorption because of diet or disease or lack of stomach acid due
to overuse of antacids. In anemia of chronic disease, a person can
appear to be iron deficient when in fact, the body is withholding iron
from harmful disease. Too little iron can also occur in patients with
too much iron.
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