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Henrietta K Thomas
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: [Straw Poll] soc.support.vision-impaired Reply with quote

On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:10:29 -0700, in news.groups, The Real Bev
<bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
Henrietta K Thomas wrote:

<...>

Quote:
I have news for you, Bev. News.groups has changed. The old system has
been dropped and a new system is rising in its place.

Sheep entrails? Each proponent sends you a little something via paypal
to ensure passage?

Much better than that, Bev. There's a whole team working on the
project. They call themselves The Big 8 Management Board. For openers,
see Message-ID: <enhb92ddpqaf32veisbn9rctsjrck3di61@4ax.com>

TTFN

Henrietta
Proponent: soc.support.vision-impaired
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Brian Gaff
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: soc.support.vision-impaired Reply with quote

Brian Gaff wrote:
Quote:
Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:58:51 GMT, "Brian Gaff"
Briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
LUklg.88268$wl.42727@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:

So what exactly is going on?

The proposal to create a new newsgroup is being discussed.

Along with that, a lot of questions about how new newsgroups are
created
are also being discussed.

Then there are various flame wars and sundry kinds of thread drift
going on.

I'm losing the will to live in this thread!

Here's the big question: would you use soc.support.vision-impaired
if it were created?

Would you post to it?

Would you read it?

If you are opposed to creating the group, what are the grounds
of your opposition?

This note, by the way, was crossposted to:
news.groups,
alt.comp.blind-users,
alt.disability.blind.social,
alt.lasik-eyes,
sci.med.vision

Marty
What I was trying to say was that I cannot see this thread over on that

group.

Brian
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Aula
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:00 am    Post subject: Re: soc.support.vision-impaired Reply with quote

"L." <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote in message
news:1150699955.629630.321920@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Quote:

Ya know, I and a whole lot of others don't give a s**t about your
stupid pissing wars. But to say something like this about anyone is
just pure evil. God forbid you should ever lose your eyesight. And
thanks to assholes like you the group vote was negative, which is a
shame because a lot of vision-impaired people need a group like this.


could you please explain what vote you are referencing? i thought it had
not gone to CFV yet? did i miss something scanning through this very
active group?

-aula
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Jayne Kulikauskas
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:36 am    Post subject: Re: soc.support.vision-impaired Reply with quote

On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:00:48 -0400, "Aula"
<aula.no.spam.ever.here@a.net> wrote:

Quote:

"L." <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote in message
news:1150699955.629630.321920@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Ya know, I and a whole lot of others don't give a s**t about your
stupid pissing wars. But to say something like this about anyone is
just pure evil. God forbid you should ever lose your eyesight. And
thanks to assholes like you the group vote was negative, which is a
shame because a lot of vision-impaired people need a group like this.


could you please explain what vote you are referencing? i thought it had
not gone to CFV yet? did i miss something scanning through this very
active group?

-aula

There was an interest poll that have very low turnout. I suspect it
is a reference to that.



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Jayne

Proponent for soc.men.moderated

Link to the poll:
http://www.ckdog.co.uk/php/voting/vote.php?449256720e9cc


If you haven't read the proposal yet, then please see the 1st RFD:
http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=nan:2006-06-05-men-rfd
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Martin X. Moleski, SJ
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:45 pm    Post subject: Re: soc.support.vision-impaired Reply with quote

Aula wrote:

Quote:
i suspect that there are people who have never been to those ng's who would
love to take part in the group. finding them before the name is searchable
is problematic.

Yes. Getting new users to Usenet is not easy. There are hurdles
involved that don't apply to other kinds of forums.

Quote:
... i believe the need is there and
the users would arrive given propagation. might start slow, but would be
helpful to folk like me.

As a general rule, it seems to me that a group needs a nucleus of
supporters committed to it BEFORE it is created. Otherwise, there
won't be much for newcomers to read if and when they happen to stumble
across the new group.

Quote:
oh, and please pardon the typing but i'm 1-handed these days while
recovering from rotator cuff repair and i'm just not doing caps.

Thanks for the feedback. I hope you heal soon. I've put my mouse
under my
keyboard (the keyboard is on a plank propped up on bricks) because I
was getting murderous shoulder pain from stretching to reach the mouse
all day long.

Marty

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The B8MB is a work in progress.
See http://www.big-8.org for more information.
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Martin X. Moleski, SJ
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:50 pm    Post subject: Re: soc.support.vision-impaired Reply with quote

Brian Gaff wrote:

Quote:
What I was trying to say was that I cannot see this thread over on that
group.

It probably was not crossposted there in its earlier incarnation.

If you want to review the whole thread--and many associated
threads--you can
Google newsgroups:

http://groups.google.com/group/news.groups?hl=en

Or here is a Google search of news.groups for the phrase
"vision-impaired":

<http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=&num=10&scoring=r&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=news.groups&as_usubject=vision-impaired&as_uauthors=&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=19&as_maxm=6&as_maxy=2006&safe=off>

Here is a tiny url to that same link:

http://tinyurl.com/qzue9

Marty

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Doug Freyburger
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:28 pm    Post subject: Re: soc.support.vision-impaired Reply with quote

The Real Bev wrote:
Quote:
Brian Gaff wrote:
leonard78sp@gmail.com wrote:
The Real Bev wrote:

This was our experience (realized
only after the fact) during the creation of the moderated group
rec.skiing.alpine.moderated, which passed by a HUGE margin.

Yes: rsam was a wasted effort.

So what exactly is going on?

Short version: rsam was created to avoid the 5-year rantings of a loon.
In the loon's absence, the moderated group has languished.

To me that sounds like the effort worked. What does it matter which
group ended up flourishing? Creation of a moderated version led to
the loon going away. Availability of a bomb shelter was enough that
use of the bomb shelter wasn't needed.
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Aula
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:37 pm    Post subject: Re: soc.support.vision-impaired Reply with quote

"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <martin.moleski@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150724727.413570.113530@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
As a general rule, it seems to me that a group needs a nucleus of
supporters committed to it BEFORE it is created. Otherwise, there
won't be much for newcomers to read if and when they happen to stumble
across the new group.


i tend to agree. since, however, this proposal is at least floated it bears
addressing and attempting to garner that nucleous to see what can be done.
I wonder if anyone has shouted out the diabetes forums as well as those
where vision problems can accompany that which the group is designed to
serve?

Quote:
Thanks for the feedback. I hope you heal soon. I've put my mouse
under my
keyboard (the keyboard is on a plank propped up on bricks) because I
was getting murderous shoulder pain from stretching to reach the mouse
all day long.


Thanks. Working on the healing part. I have found, btw, that an optical
wireless mouse does wonders for the wrist and shoulder discomforts, as does
setting up work and home computers to use opposite arms. I've been doing
the latter for several years, which has helped [we don't know why i
developed the rotator cuff tear, but it was not believed to be primarily due
to computer use].

-Aula
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serebel
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:40 am    Post subject: Re: soc.support.vision-impaired Reply with quote

For all the people whining that the new forum won't be started, why
don't you just start your own forum?
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Peter J Ross
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:10 am    Post subject: Re: soc.support.vision-impaired Reply with quote

On 19 Jun 2006 17:40:01 -0700, serebel <serebel@aol.com> wrote in
news.groups:

Quote:

For all the people whining that the new forum won't be started, why
don't you just start your own forum?

"@aol.com"


PJR Smile
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.._\`:_ F S M _:' \_, newsgroup? Why not visit news.groups.reviews
/ (`---'\ `-. and attract new talent by posting a review?
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The Reál Bev
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:07 am    Post subject: Re: soc.support.vision-impaired Reply with quote

Doug Freyburger wrote:

Quote:
The Real Bev wrote:
Brian Gaff wrote:
leonard78sp@gmail.com wrote:
The Real Bev wrote:

This was our experience (realized
only after the fact) during the creation of the moderated group
rec.skiing.alpine.moderated, which passed by a HUGE margin.

Yes: rsam was a wasted effort.

So what exactly is going on?

Short version: rsam was created to avoid the 5-year rantings of a loon.
In the loon's absence, the moderated group has languished.

To me that sounds like the effort worked. What does it matter which
group ended up flourishing?

Yes, sort of. I would never encourage anyone to start a moderated group
for such a trivial purpose, though. Even if you have one, you still
have to find a willing site to serve as an injection point, which
usually costs SOMEBODY money.

Quote:
Creation of a moderated version led to
the loon going away.

Would that it were that simple! Real loons never go away. He comes
back every few months or so with the same old rants he's made since --
are you ready for this? -- 1999.

Quote:
Availability of a bomb shelter was enough that
use of the bomb shelter wasn't needed.

Sort of like keeping a spare fuel pump in your trunk.

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Cheers, Bev
=========================================================
"I believe that forgiving [terrorists] is God's function.
Our job is to arrange the meeting."
- Norman Schwartzkopf
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The Reál Bev
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:16 am    Post subject: Re: soc.support.vision-impaired Reply with quote

L. wrote:

Quote:
The Real Bev wrote:

If the b***h is blind, it's no worse than she deserves.

Ya know, I and a whole lot of others don't give a s**t about your
stupid pissing wars. But to say something like this about anyone is
just pure evil. God forbid you should ever lose your eyesight. And
thanks to assholes like you the group vote was negative, which is a
shame because a lot of vision-impaired people need a group like this.

Then vote for it. I will too if it will help. Nothing at all against
the group, just one particular a*****le.

--
Cheers, Bev
=========================================================
"I believe that forgiving [terrorists] is God's function.
Our job is to arrange the meeting."
- Norman Schwartzkopf
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-L.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:41 am    Post subject: Re: soc.support.vision-impaired Reply with quote

Jayne Kulikauskas wrote:
Quote:

There was an interest poll that have very low turnout. I suspect it
is a reference to that.

Correct. It closed on the 16th.

-L.
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Aula
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:57 am    Post subject: Re: soc.support.vision-impaired Reply with quote

"L." <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote in message
news:1150792875.940830.24860@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Quote:

Jayne Kulikauskas wrote:

There was an interest poll that have very low turnout. I suspect it
is a reference to that.

Correct. It closed on the 16th.


and this means what?

-aula
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Jayne Kulikauskas
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:58 pm    Post subject: Re: soc.support.vision-impaired Reply with quote

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:57:43 -0400, "Aula"
<aula.no.spam.ever.here@a.net> wrote:

Quote:

"L." <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote in message
news:1150792875.940830.24860@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

Jayne Kulikauskas wrote:

There was an interest poll that have very low turnout. I suspect it
is a reference to that.

Correct. It closed on the 16th.


and this means what?

-aula

That is a good question. I'm not sure about the answer. It isn't
like a CFV where there was a known formula for interpretting it. As I
understand it, the poll is one way to determine if there is sufficient
interest to create the group. It is one of the pieces of information
that the Board will use to make their decision about creating the
group. Since a bunch of people turned up expressing interest after
the poll was over, I'd expect them to weigh that in their decision
too.

Jayne
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