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squarenesswafer@yahoo.com
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 Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:47 am Post subject:
Reasonable prices for great glasses
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If one were to avoid the Costcos/Walmart's, and go with high-quality
local optometrists, I understand prices are going to be much higher.
Just for lenses, what can we expect for single vision lenses, at high
index (1.67) and high quality AR coatings (preferably the Alize's)? How
about for bifocal/progressives with possibly even higher index (due to
higher prescription)?
For the Crizal Alize's, is it generally going to cost over $400 just
for the lenses for single vision high index and much more for
progressives? A local optometrist charged us that much for single
vision, and I'm shopping around for progressives for my father and was
wondering what we can expect to pay for high quality lenses for him.
Given the price we paid, I imagine it would be much higher, and I just
wanted to make sure we were prepared! Also, hope to stick with good
optometrists with great service, so I understand the high premiums
involved.
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Anon E. Muss
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On 3 Jun 2006 23:47:38 -0700, squarenesswafer@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | If one were to avoid the Costcos/Walmart's, and go with high-quality
local optometrists, I understand prices are going to be much higher.
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Correct. Premium service and products demand a premium price. No
different than buying clothes at WalMart vs Nordstrom's.
| Quote: | Just for lenses, what can we expect for single vision lenses, at high
index (1.67) and high quality AR coatings (preferably the Alize's)?
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It depends on the power and the area you live in, but in my area
(Southern California), you are looking at over $300 for 1.67 single
vision lenses with a high-quality A/R coat (e.g., Crizal Alize, Vivix
Stainless),
| Quote: | How about for bifocal/progressives with possibly even higher index
(due to higher prescription)?
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1.67 D-28 bifocals would add around $100 to the cost over single
vision. Progressives would add about $200 to the cost over single
vision.
I haven't priced or prescribed 1.74 index lenses yet (SV and
progressive only availabilty), but I suspect they would add around
$100 more to the cost. They are the thinnest and most premium lenses
available, and definitely for those who want the very best, but I
would suspect little difference in appearance versus 1.67 lenses,
except above +/-5.00D (this here is highly subjective -- some people
think 1/2mm edge/center thickness is extremely obvious while others
think 2mm edge/center thickness difference is no big deal).
| Quote: | For the Crizal Alize's, is it generally going to cost over $400 just
for the lenses for single vision high index and much more for
progressives?
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That is certainly NOT unreasonable, especially if you add in other
things like polishing the edges, rimlon/rimless mounting, 1.0mm center
thickness, etc. or the power is higher (say <-4.00 D).
| Quote: | A local optometrist charged us that much for single vision, and I'm
shopping around for progressives for my father and was wondering what
we can expect to pay for high quality lenses for him.
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Again, that sounds reasonable. I'm sure you could find places perhaps
a *little less* and I'm sure you cound find places quite a bit more
costly.
As I said earlier, I would expect for you to add around $200.00 more
for progressives.
| Quote: | Given the price we paid, I imagine it would be much higher, and I just
wanted to make sure we were prepared! Also, hope to stick with good
optometrists with great service, so I understand the high premiums
involved.
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Most people I prescribe glasses to don't end up regretting going with
the very best. This is especially true if they were their glasses all
the time. I have some patients who will spend $400.00 on an outfit
they might wear 4 times a year but balk at spending $200.00 on a pair
of glasses they were 14 hours a day, every day, for a year. It's all
about priorities. |
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Mark A
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:26 pm Post subject:
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<squarenesswafer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | If one were to avoid the Costcos/Walmart's, and go with high-quality
local optometrists, I understand prices are going to be much higher.
Just for lenses, what can we expect for single vision lenses, at high
index (1.67) and high quality AR coatings (preferably the Alize's)? How
about for bifocal/progressives with possibly even higher index (due to
higher prescription)?
For the Crizal Alize's, is it generally going to cost over $400 just
for the lenses for single vision high index and much more for
progressives? A local optometrist charged us that much for single
vision, and I'm shopping around for progressives for my father and was
wondering what we can expect to pay for high quality lenses for him.
Given the price we paid, I imagine it would be much higher, and I just
wanted to make sure we were prepared! Also, hope to stick with good
optometrists with great service, so I understand the high premiums
involved.
Thanks very much!
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Actually, both Wal-Mart and Costco carry many premium brand lenses, and the
quality of the staff that I found (sampled over 10 Wal-marts) is higher than
other chain stores and many independents. The Wal-Marts that I visited
usually had at least one very experienced optician (more than 20 years) on
duty. If you are getting progressives, this is very important (you should
always ask for the most experienced person in the store if you are getting
progressives).
Most of the other chain stores only carry mediocre quality lenses (but you
may get your glasses in an hour), and their staff is often incompetent.. |
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Dick Adams
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"Anon E. Muss" <anonymous@example.org> wrote in message news:g01682poblj0g464c0n5ekems4m5auoume@4ax.com...
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Most people I prescribe glasses to don't end up regretting going with
the very best.
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There is also the possibility of the most appropriate. Not everybody
needs aristocratic eye glasses. When it comes to "progressives", people
smart enough to figure out how to use them are probably smart enough to
choose a better and cheaper option. Those for whom "the best" is the
categorical answer will probably need AR-coated, low-r.i. aspherics of
the "progressive" variety, and spend quite a lot of time trying to find the
right angle to cock their heads and balance their specs on their noses to
get the best images on their retinas (retinae?).
Another thing worth mentioning is that a lot of people needing eyeglasses
are not possible to correct for absolutely perfect vision, and may not be
appreciably better off in the best of all possible glasses than they would
be in a cheaper pair. (And some, at least, people who could be corrected
for pretty good vision, do not get corrected correctly, so the best of all possible
eyeglasses would be relatively useless for them.)
Anti-reflection coatings are good if one is in some strange situation where
the backs of the eyeglasses are illuminated. However, more than 90% of the
light incident on the front of the eyeglasses passes even in uncoated eyeglasses,
and that plenty, notwithstanding that lenticular flare in uncoated eyeglasses might
be a slight problem for a bus driver or a pilot, for instance.
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Quick
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:49 pm Post subject:
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Dick Adams wrote:
| Quote: | "Anon E. Muss" <anonymous@example.org> wrote in message
news:g01682poblj0g464c0n5ekems4m5auoume@4ax.com...
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Most people I prescribe glasses to don't end up
regretting going with the very best.
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I've found this to be generally true with most any
durable goods and especially true for anything
having to do with your person. Shoes are a glowing
example.
| Quote: | There is also the possibility of the most appropriate.
Not everybody needs aristocratic eye glasses.
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Sure. Someone who may need glasses once a day
for a few minutes and has a propensity to lose and
or break them.
I always get the feeling that you are not a man of
means Dicky and that you are very resentful of those
who are. Not only do you resent the supply and service
industry that you feel, without exception, is ripping you
off but you also resent the consumers of those products
and services. It's just a feeling that I get as an undertone
in all your posts.
| Quote: | When it comes to "progressives", people smart
enough to figure out how to use them are probably
smart enough to choose a better and cheaper option.
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The people who buy them are stupid. The smart people
go better and, of course, cheaper. Out of your reach?
You can placate yourself having made the "smart" choice?
I'm not saying this is the case. Just that it sort of has that
tone to it.
| Quote: | Those for whom "the best" is the categorical answer
will probably need AR-coated, low-r.i. aspherics of
the "progressive" variety, and spend quite a lot of time
trying to find the right angle to cock their heads and
balance their specs on their noses to get the best
images on their retinas (retinae?).
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Yes, no end to what those silly nits will go through
to satisify their vanity of knowing they have the "best".
Why do you begrudge them that? Or is it just that
they're stupid and *need* to be enlightened by smart
people (like you).
| Quote: | Another thing worth mentioning is that a lot of
people needing eyeglasses are not possible to
correct for absolutely perfect vision, and may not be
appreciably better off in the best of all possible
glasses than they would be in a cheaper pair.
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Nice of you to make the judgement for them as to
what is "appreciable". Or is it that their defect is not
repairable so they should be discarded?
| Quote: | (And some, at least, people who could be corrected
for pretty good vision, do not get corrected correctly,
so the best of all possible eyeglasses would be
relatively useless for them.)
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Ahhh, another good reason not to go with the best.
There is alway a chance you won't be treated correctly
by the (rippoff) service industry so you should not even
try and should go with the minimally (cheapest) passable
solution and minimize your (possible) losses. E-yore
from Pooh comes to mind... "o well, what's the use..."
| Quote: | Anti-reflection coatings are good if one is in some
strange situation
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Like being in sunlight?
| Quote: | where the backs of the eyeglasses are illuminated.
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Sorry Dicky, I just never got over the home made saline
jugs in the closet.
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Anon E. Muss
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On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 18:04:59 GMT, "Dick Adams" <bad.addr@nonexist.com>
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"Anon E. Muss" <anonymous@example.org> wrote in message news:g01682poblj0g464c0n5ekems4m5auoume@4ax.com...
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Most people I prescribe glasses to don't end up regretting going with
the very best.
There is also the possibility of the most appropriate. Not everybody
needs aristocratic eye glasses.
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When I discuss lens options, I go over all their options. For
example, I tell complaining emmetropic presbyopes for whom spectacles
are the treatment modality, the pros/cons of reading glasses, bifocals
and progressives. Based on their history, occupation, lifestyle, I
then make recommendations.
If patients then ask my advice on frames/lenses/coatings, I then offer
them the best options -- cost does not enter into it. Patients then
decide and tell me what they can and can't afford.
It is a disservice for me not to offer and suggest the very best for
my patients. It's what they expect from me. It gives them the
opportunity to obtain the highest quality/stylish frames, with the
thinnest/lightest lenses, and the clearest/most comfortable vision,
and it gives our office the biggest profit. It's a win:win situation
for both our patient and our office.
Now, I don't do things like recommend 1.67 lenses for -0.50 DS,
photochromic lenses for reading glasses that are used exclusively
inside, or otherwise pad the bill.
But if I show a patient a pair of -3.00 in standard plastic lenses and
then show them a pair of -1.67 with an A/R coat so they can see the
thickness and glare difference, and they smile and say "Oh, those
1.67s look much nicer -- that's what I want for my glasses." then NOT
giving them that option would be poor Optometry and poor business.
| Quote: | When it comes to "progressives", people smart enough to figure out how
to use them are probably smart enough to choose a better and cheaper
option.
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This occurs exceedingly rare in my experience. Progressives are the
best choice for the majority of my patients.
| Quote: | Those for whom "the best" is the categorical answer will probably need
AR-coated, low-r.i. aspherics of the "progressive" variety, and spend
quite a lot of time trying to find the right angle to cock their heads
and balance their specs on their noses to get the best images on their
retinas (retinae?).
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Once again, patients like this exist, but they are far and away the
exception rather than the rule.
| Quote: | Another thing worth mentioning is that a lot of people needing eyeglasses
are not possible to correct for absolutely perfect vision, and may not be
appreciably better off in the best of all possible glasses than they would
be in a cheaper pair. (And some, at least, people who could be corrected
for pretty good vision, do not get corrected correctly, so the best of all possible
eyeglasses would be relatively useless for them.)
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Defintely NOT the case for the vast majority of my patients.
How long have you been prescribing or fitting glasses for patients?
Where do you practice -- "The Twilight Zone"? ;)
| Quote: | Anti-reflection coatings are good if one is in some strange situation where
the backs of the eyeglasses are illuminated. However, more than 90% of the
light incident on the front of the eyeglasses passes even in uncoated eyeglasses,
and that plenty, notwithstanding that lenticular flare in uncoated eyeglasses might
be a slight problem for a bus driver or a pilot, for instance.
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I almost always recommend A/R coatings. And the amount of light that
passes varies depending on the index of the material. CR-39 passes
more light than 1.67, so patients with 1.67 benefit from A/R more than
CR-39 users. |
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squarenesswafer@yahoo.com
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:24 pm Post subject:
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Anon E. Muss wrote:
| Quote: | On 3 Jun 2006 23:47:38 -0700, squarenesswafer@yahoo.com wrote:
1.67 D-28 bifocals would add around $100 to the cost over single
vision. Progressives would add about $200 to the cost over single
vision.
I haven't priced or prescribed 1.74 index lenses yet (SV and
progressive only availabilty), but I suspect they would add around
$100 more to the cost. They are the thinnest and most premium lenses
available, and definitely for those who want the very best, but I
would suspect little difference in appearance versus 1.67 lenses,
except above +/-5.00D (this here is highly subjective -- some people
think 1/2mm edge/center thickness is extremely obvious while others
think 2mm edge/center thickness difference is no big deal).
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Hmm, that's good to know. I think my father is no greater than a 6.00,
so 1.67's should be okay, I would think. He currently wears coke-bottle
lenses and always adjusting his glasses. It's more of a weight issue
than it is a "look" issue, for wanting to go with thin lenses.
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For the Crizal Alize's, is it generally going to cost over $400 just
for the lenses for single vision high index and much more for
progressives?
That is certainly NOT unreasonable, especially if you add in other
things like polishing the edges, rimlon/rimless mounting, 1.0mm center
thickness, etc. or the power is higher (say <-4.00 D).
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Ahh, i thought price only depended on the material. So higher
prescriptions will cost more, all other things (material, index,
coating) being equal? Would astigmatism and high prescriptions
(<-6.00D) cause the price to go up a lot? Is there a way to get a
general idea of how much price goes up with prescription, or does it
always vary greatly from optometrist to optometrist?
| Quote: | Most people I prescribe glasses to don't end up regretting going with
the very best. This is especially true if they were their glasses all
the time. I have some patients who will spend $400.00 on an outfit
they might wear 4 times a year but balk at spending $200.00 on a pair
of glasses they were 14 hours a day, every day, for a year. It's all
about priorities.
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Absolutely agree. This is why I refuse to let my father go budget on
his glasses this time and want to buy him a great pair. However, as a
normally informed consumer, I find myself a bit uncomfortable with
shopping for glasses because it's hard to understand the pricing. Once
the optometrist gets out his calculator and starts hitting buttons, i'm
always a bit nervous!
I appreciate your responses. Thanks! |
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squarenesswafer@yahoo.com
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject:
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Dick Adams wrote:
| Quote: | "Anon E. Muss" <anonymous@example.org> wrote in message news:g01682poblj0g464c0n5ekems4m5auoume@4ax.com...
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Most people I prescribe glasses to don't end up regretting going with
the very best.
There is also the possibility of the most appropriate. Not everybody
needs aristocratic eye glasses.
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I used to get Pearl/Lenscrafter 2-for-1 specials. When I got a better
job, I started going to local optometrists and gotten high quality
glasses. I definitely feel like I get my money's worth. I doubt other
people notice a big difference, but I've always had problems with heavy
glasses and poor fit. I always thought regularly pushing glasses back
up was an expected part of life. I do think the added value of high
quality glasses is worth the price.
However, I still would like to have a better grasp of whether we can be
more price-conscious with eyewear, though, since the pricing method is
certainly not simple! |
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Dick Adams
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"Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com>
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| Quote: | I always get the feeling that you are not a man of
means Dicky ...
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Well, I can usually pay off my wife's eyeglasses the
same month that she get's 'em. That should count for
something.
| Quote: | When it comes to "progressives", people smart
enough to figure out how to use them are probably
smart enough to choose a better and cheaper option.
The people who buy them are stupid. The smart people
go better and, of course, cheaper. Out of your reach?
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I did not say or mean "stupid". But people who make choices
based on such an abstract and ill-defined trait as "quality" are
very likely ignorant of the parameters which would guide a
more rational decision.
| Quote: | You can placate yourself having made the "smart" choice?
I'm not saying this is the case. Just that it sort of has that
tone to it.
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Well if you do your buying at the high end so as to be sure of
getting "the best", you may not be able to afford "the best" of
everything. Indeed, you my find yourself subject to foreclosure
these days, particularly if you happen to have a variable-rate
mortgage, for instance.
| Quote: | Yes, no end to what those silly nits will go through
to satisfy their vanity of knowing they have the "best".
Why do you begrudge them that? Or is it just that
they're stupid and *need* to be enlightened by smart
people (like you).
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I don't begrudge them or wish to enlighten them, nor you.
But maybe I'd speculate on their properties when they go
up for auction.
The OP mentioned buying eyeglasses for his father, but was
talking about Crizal Alize and "progressive". I mean to convey
that I don't think an old man needs, or will be benefited by,
anti-reflection progressives. I know lots of people, and most
of them are old. The only ones I know who are wearing anti-
reflection progressives are the ladies. It is so they can find their
salad fork and their salad, and recognize the speaker at the
podium, and seem not to have lenses in their fancy frames.
| Quote: | Sorry Dicky, I just never got over the home made saline
jugs in the closet.
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Wait until you hear about the fossil water that is, as we speak,
entering our water supply.
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Anon E. Muss
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On 4 Jun 2006 12:24:23 -0700, squarenesswafer@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | Anon E. Muss wrote:
I haven't priced or prescribed 1.74 index lenses yet (SV and
progressive only availabilty), but I suspect they would add around
$100 more to the cost. They are the thinnest and most premium lenses
available, and definitely for those who want the very best, but I
would suspect little difference in appearance versus 1.67 lenses,
except above +/-5.00D (this here is highly subjective -- some people
think 1/2mm edge/center thickness is extremely obvious while others
think 2mm edge/center thickness difference is no big deal).
Hmm, that's good to know. I think my father is no greater than a 6.00,
so 1.67's should be okay, I would think.
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IMHO, the difference between 1.67 and 1.74 lenses in someone who is <=
-6.00D in an average sized frame is not significant for the vast
majority of patients.
Where I think it makes a difference is in (1) the person that demands
the very best regardless of the cost and (2) the person with really
high prescriptions, say -11.00D.
| Quote: | He currently wears coke-bottle lenses and always adjusting his
glasses. It's more of a weight issue than it is a "look" issue, for
wanting to go with thin lenses.
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If he is using standard CR-39 lenses (or standard glass lenses), then
going to 1.67s will be a vast improvement both cosmetically and
weight-wise. Other good pointers are to keep the frames as
small/round as possible with the eyes centered in the lenses. Also,
metal or plastic frames keep the lenses looking nicer than rimlon or
rimless designs.
| Quote: | especially if you add in other things like polishing the edges,
rimlon/rimless mounting, 1.0mm center thickness, etc. or the power is
higher (say <-4.00 D).
Ahh, i thought price only depended on the material. So higher
prescriptions will cost more, all other things (material, index,
coating) being equal?
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You would think so, but most labs charge a certain amount per diopter
over a certain power. For example, say $10 a diopter over a -4.00D,
so a pair of -8.00Ds would be $40 more than a pair of -4.00s. (I'm
not sure of the exact numbers because I don't, off of the top of my
head, recall what the lab charges -- these numbers are for example
purpose only).
I think the rationale is there is more spoilage when the labs grind
higher prescriptions. Labs charge us and therefore we pass that on to
patients.
| Quote: | Would astigmatism and high prescriptions (<-6.00D) cause the price to
go up a lot?
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Not relative to everything else. And typically with the labs I deal
with, how much it goes up depends solely on the power and not the
material. So that $40 more example I wrote earlier is the same
whether the lenses were made of glass, CR-39 or 1.74 aspheric plastic.
| Quote: | Is there a way to get a general idea of how much price goes up with
prescription, or does it always vary greatly from optometrist to
optometrist?
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I think it probably varies, but it typically such a small amount
compared to everything else that the difference between different
places will not be a lot.
Do I make sense here?
Where it costs a lot is when people are like -12.00D versus -4.00D,
not like -4.00D versus a -6.00D.
| Quote: | I appreciate your responses. Thanks!
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You're welcome. |
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doctor_my_eye@msn.com
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It isn't fair to group the quality of eyeglasses by the vendor that
they are purchased from. Here in Illinois, for example, the person who
manufactures your eyeglasses has never had to meet any type of
standards to do their job. In Illinois your hair stylist is a licensed
professional, the person who puts chemicals on your lawn is a licensed
professional...but the person who made your eyeglasses is not required
to graduate from high school or pass a math test or take any
apprenticeship.
Therefore, the kid who made your eyeglasses might have been selling
tires the day before. This problem is not unique to Costco, WalMart or
even private doctors' offices.
When you get really poor eyeglasses, don't complain to the chain that
paid the employee a sales clerk salary...blame your state legislator
that lets the profession of opticianry go unregulated!
Mark A wrote:
| Quote: | squarenesswafer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1149403658.336769.291550@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
If one were to avoid the Costcos/Walmart's, and go with high-quality
local optometrists, I understand prices are going to be much higher.
Just for lenses, what can we expect for single vision lenses, at high
index (1.67) and high quality AR coatings (preferably the Alize's)? How
about for bifocal/progressives with possibly even higher index (due to
higher prescription)?
For the Crizal Alize's, is it generally going to cost over $400 just
for the lenses for single vision high index and much more for
progressives? A local optometrist charged us that much for single
vision, and I'm shopping around for progressives for my father and was
wondering what we can expect to pay for high quality lenses for him.
Given the price we paid, I imagine it would be much higher, and I just
wanted to make sure we were prepared! Also, hope to stick with good
optometrists with great service, so I understand the high premiums
involved.
Thanks very much!
Actually, both Wal-Mart and Costco carry many premium brand lenses, and the
quality of the staff that I found (sampled over 10 Wal-marts) is higher than
other chain stores and many independents. The Wal-Marts that I visited
usually had at least one very experienced optician (more than 20 years) on
duty. If you are getting progressives, this is very important (you should
always ask for the most experienced person in the store if you are getting
progressives).
Most of the other chain stores only carry mediocre quality lenses (but you
may get your glasses in an hour), and their staff is often incompetent.. |
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The Reál Bev
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Dick Adams wrote:
| Quote: | "Anon E. Muss" <anonymous@example.org> wrote:
Most people I prescribe glasses to don't end up regretting going
with the very best.
There is also the possibility of the most appropriate. Not everybody
needs aristocratic eye glasses.
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Hear hear!
| Quote: | When it comes to "progressives",
people smart enough to figure out how to use them are probably smart
enough to choose a better and cheaper option. Those for whom "the
best" is the categorical answer will probably need AR-coated,
low-r.i. aspherics of the "progressive" variety, and spend quite a
lot of time trying to find the right angle to cock their heads and
balance their specs on their noses to get the best images on their
retinas (retinae?).
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I would find that intolerable. Bad enough to have to choose just two
angles with bifocals. I have separate +2.25 reading glasses for
reading/computer, the bifocal segment is just for emergency use.
| Quote: | Anti-reflection coatings are good if one is in some strange situation
where the backs of the eyeglasses are illuminated.
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Like night driving, for instance. I would find AR coatings extremely
valuable providing I could clean them by breathing on them and wiping
them on my t-shirt tail. I don't think I can have that, though :-)
| Quote: | However, more
than 90% of the light incident on the front of the eyeglasses passes
even in uncoated eyeglasses, and that plenty, notwithstanding that
lenticular flare in uncoated eyeglasses might be a slight problem for
a bus driver or a pilot, for instance.
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Some people feel that the very best is only just good enough for them
just BECAUSE. They're the same people who buy L'Oreal because they're
worth it.
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Cheers, Bev
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The Reál Bev
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Re: Reasonable prices for great glasses
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Dick Adams wrote:
| Quote: | "Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com
wrote in message news:rXFgg.132158$F_3.61168@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
I always get the feeling that you are not a man of
means Dicky ...
Well, I can usually pay off my wife's eyeglasses the
same month that she get's 'em. That should count for
something.
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Just because we can afford something doesn't mean we want to spend the
money for it. I could afford a Jaguar, but I'm not going to buy one.
| Quote: | When it comes to "progressives", people smart
enough to figure out how to use them are probably
smart enough to choose a better and cheaper option.
The people who buy them are stupid. The smart people
go better and, of course, cheaper. Out of your reach?
I did not say or mean "stupid". But people who make choices
based on such an abstract and ill-defined trait as "quality" are
very likely ignorant of the parameters which would guide a
more rational decision.
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Repeat: hear hear!
| Quote: | You can placate yourself having made the "smart" choice?
I'm not saying this is the case. Just that it sort of has that
tone to it.
Well if you do your buying at the high end so as to be sure of
getting "the best", you may not be able to afford "the best" of
everything. Indeed, you my find yourself subject to foreclosure
these days, particularly if you happen to have a variable-rate
mortgage, for instance.
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In many cases, the most expensive solution is NOT the best solution to a
problem. You can lay out thousands of dollars for granite countertops
only to find out that they stain easily and have to be babied to keep
from looking crappy. Good old ceramic tile with black grout will look
new for decades and comes in LOTS of colors and designs -- it just
doesn't match the current definition of "quality".
| Quote: | Yes, no end to what those silly nits will go through
to satisfy their vanity of knowing they have the "best".
Why do you begrudge them that? Or is it just that
they're stupid and *need* to be enlightened by smart
people (like you).
I don't begrudge them or wish to enlighten them, nor you.
But maybe I'd speculate on their properties when they go
up for auction.
The OP mentioned buying eyeglasses for his father, but was
talking about Crizal Alize and "progressive". I mean to convey
that I don't think an old man needs, or will be benefited by,
anti-reflection progressives. I know lots of people, and most
of them are old. The only ones I know who are wearing anti-
reflection progressives are the ladies. It is so they can find their
salad fork and their salad, and recognize the speaker at the
podium, and seem not to have lenses in their fancy frames.
Sorry Dicky, I just never got over the home made saline
jugs in the closet.
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Ooh, was that you? That worried me a bit. I'm cheap, but not that
cheap. Generic saline is dirt cheap anyway...
| Quote: | Wait until you hear about the fossil water that is, as we speak,
entering our water supply.
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Isn't that what the midwest is sucking out of the Oglala and which seems
to be running dry?
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The Reál Bev
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| Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:25 am Post subject:
Re: Reasonable prices for great glasses
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doctor_my_eye@msn.com wrote:
| Quote: | When you get really poor eyeglasses, don't complain to the chain that
paid the employee a sales clerk salary...blame your state legislator
that lets the profession of opticianry go unregulated!
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OTOH, when was the last time you heard about a medical doctor being
drummed out of the business for killing too many patients? Regulation
ain't all it's cracked up to be.
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Quick
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The Real Bev wrote:
| Quote: | Dick Adams wrote:
I did not say or mean "stupid". But people who make
choices based on such an abstract and ill-defined trait
as "quality" are very likely ignorant of the parameters
which would guide a more rational decision.
Repeat: hear hear!
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But what did he say? Again the assumption is that anyone
who buys "quality" can't define it (probably stupid)... and is
making an irrational decision... and a more rational decision
would not be based on "quality".
| Quote: | Well if you do your buying at the high end so as to be
sure of getting "the best", you may not be able to afford
"the best" of everything.
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How more presumptious can you get? I generally do my
buying of durable goods at the high end. I usually do a
good bit of research on what I'm buying before doing so.
If it's discretionary and I can't afford it now I often don't
buy now and wait until I can. I find it's well worth it.
And thank you for presuming that people who do buy
top quality are too stupid to stay within their means.
| Quote: | Indeed, you my find yourself subject to foreclosure
these days, particularly if you happen to have a
variable-rate mortgage, for instance.
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Thanks, I guess it was dumb luck that I got a fixed rate.
Any other financial pitfalls I don't know I'm headed for
due to my exorbitant, unbridled spending?
| Quote: | In many cases, the most expensive solution is NOT the
best solution to a problem. You can lay out thousands of
dollars for granite countertops only to find out that
they stain easily and have to be babied to keep from
looking crappy. Good old ceramic tile with black grout
will look new for decades and comes in LOTS of colors and
designs -- it just doesn't match the current definition
of "quality".
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Well that was a stupid waste of money. Concrete will do
the same for *far* less and there is no maintenance at all.
You can paint it *any* color or not at all.
| Quote: | I don't begrudge them or wish to enlighten them, nor you.
But maybe I'd speculate on their properties when they go
up for auction.
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Heh, you could make a fortune hanging out at the OD's.
Just note the folks that buy those expensive progressives and
wait for their homes to go on the forclosure block...
| Quote: | I mean to convey that I don't think an old man needs,
or will be benefited by, anti-reflection progressives.
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Well, I didn't think you could get more presumptious,
but you did.
| Quote: | I know lots of people, and most of them are old.
The only ones I know who are wearing anti-
reflection progressives are the ladies. It is so they
can find their salad fork and their salad, and recognize
the speaker at the podium, and seem not to have
lenses in their fancy frames.
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And the cost wasn't worth it to them? Did you ask?
You're starting to sound like Ace now.
| Quote: | Sorry Dicky, I just never got over the home made saline
jugs in the closet.
Ooh, was that you? That worried me a bit. I'm cheap,
but not that cheap. Generic saline is dirt cheap anyway...
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I buy very high quality shoes now. It makes such a *huge*
difference. The bad part is thinking about all those years
I bought the $19 closeouts at SaveMart figuring how I
could buy 5 or six pairs for the cost of the expensive ones
and certainly it couldn't make much difference... I was
stupid then.
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