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Will Brink
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 Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject:
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In article <1149864733.453855.51870@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"msamson11975@yahoo.ca" <msamson11975@yahoo.ca> wrote:
| Quote: | Juhana Harju wrote:
msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
: For anyone that wants more reading about the dangers of fish oil:
You are misinformed.
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Juhana
Nice one. Don't even bother eloborating.
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By "misinformed' he meant, you're an idiot. No elaborations required
there.
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Will Brink
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:08 pm Post subject:
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In article <1149873714.473190.278140@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"msamson11975@yahoo.ca" <msamson11975@yahoo.ca> wrote:
| Quote: | Just Cocky wrote:
Why are you eating fish if fish oil is such a bad thing?
Since when is eating a whole food with all it's supporting structures
in place (proteins, saturated fats, vitamins, etc) comparable to a
highly processed concentrated source of one fatty acid??
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Yup, your total lack of education in this area is now confirmed. Babble
on.
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Will Brink
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject:
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In article <1149700802.307348.145880@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"msamson11975@yahoo.ca" <msamson11975@yahoo.ca> wrote:
| Quote: | Bingo! but note that not all fish are equal - salmon, herring,
sardines, most mackerel and a few others are great. Catfish, tilapia
and many others have very small amounts of omega-3s. Tuna and King
Mackerel have omega-3 but also carry methylmercury; eat in moderation.
DRT
Hey DRT, thanks for the reassurance. Yes, my almost daily consumption
consists of canned sardines (typically in tomatoe sauce), canned
mackerel, and fresh salmon. Although I do feel noticeably better when
taking fish oil, I believe it's a 2 edged sword. I'll stick with whole
food to be safe -- maybe there are components of the fish that science
hasn't even discovered that are anti-oxidants to help protect the
polyunsat's in it.
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They have discovered it, you have not. There's a difference.
Br J Nutr. 2006 Jan;95(1):18-26.
Docosahexaenoic acid enhances the antioxidant response of human
fibroblasts by upregulating gamma-glutamyl-cysteinyl ligase and
glutathione reductase.
Arab K, Rossary A, Flourie F, Tourneur Y, Steghens JP.
EA 3090, Claude Bernard University Lyon 1, France.
The chemopreventive effects of dietary n-3 PUFA in various
pathologies has so far remained controversial, and we were interested in
studying their potential influence on cell redox status. DHA (22 :
6n-3), a typical highly unsaturated n-3 PUFA, was used at 30 micromol/l
in a model of human fibroblast cell culture. A dose-response effect,
roughly linear, was checked for DHA between 0 and 60 micromol/l, and was
accompanied by a large increase in intracellular GSH content. A time
course study of this effect shows that, after a short fall, as soon as 4
h after the beginning of the experiment, the large increase in the GSH
content was associated with elevated catalytic activities of
gamma-glutamyl-cysteinyl ligase, glutathione reductase and glutathione
S-transferase. This coordinated response is characteristic of an
antioxidant response and was confirmed by the induction of expression of
mRNA for gamma-glutamyl-cysteinyl ligase, glutathione reductase and
haem-oxygenase. This large increase in the GSH content contributes to
decreasing the reactive oxygen species level, as assessed by the
decreased accumulation of dichlorofluorescein inside cells. To our
knowledge, this is the first report on a specific and potent effect of
DHA for decreasing the oxidative stress of human fibroblasts.
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msamson11975@yahoo.ca
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject:
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Will Brink wrote:
| Quote: | In article <1149873714.473190.278140@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"msamson11975@yahoo.ca" <msamson11975@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Just Cocky wrote:
Why are you eating fish if fish oil is such a bad thing?
Since when is eating a whole food with all it's supporting structures
in place (proteins, saturated fats, vitamins, etc) comparable to a
highly processed concentrated source of one fatty acid??
Yup, your total lack of education in this area is now confirmed. Babble
on.
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Will Brink @ www.BrinkZone.com
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Yeah right, let me guess - you sell this stuff full force? |
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Jean Brazwell
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Joined: 09 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:07 pm Post subject:
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msamson11975@yahoo.ca wrote:
| Quote: | Will Brink wrote:
In article <1149873714.473190.278140@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"msamson11975@yahoo.ca" <msamson11975@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Just Cocky wrote:
Why are you eating fish if fish oil is such a bad thing?
Since when is eating a whole food with all it's supporting structures
in place (proteins, saturated fats, vitamins, etc) comparable to a
highly processed concentrated source of one fatty acid??
Yup, your total lack of education in this area is now confirmed. Babble
on.
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Will Brink @ www.BrinkZone.com
Yeah right, let me guess - you sell this stuff full force?
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Will Brink invented both the fish and fish oil. He knows what he's
talking about...NOT.  |
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David Cohen
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Joined: 30 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject:
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"Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote
| Quote: | "msamson11975@yahoo.ca" <msamson11975@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Just Cocky wrote:
Why are you eating fish if fish oil is such a bad thing?
Since when is eating a whole food with all it's supporting structures
in place (proteins, saturated fats, vitamins, etc) comparable to a
highly processed concentrated source of one fatty acid??
Yup, your total lack of education in this area is now confirmed. Babble
on.
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Just figured that out, Will? Since I do not want to assume you are SLOW, I'm
going to assume that you are just overly optimistic and solicitous to the
retards of the world.
Who do, after all, buy books, too :)
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Will Brink
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:18 pm Post subject:
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In article <1149889542.333784.45100@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"msamson11975@yahoo.ca" <msamson11975@yahoo.ca> wrote:
| Quote: | Will Brink wrote:
In article <1149873714.473190.278140@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"msamson11975@yahoo.ca" <msamson11975@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Just Cocky wrote:
Why are you eating fish if fish oil is such a bad thing?
Since when is eating a whole food with all it's supporting structures
in place (proteins, saturated fats, vitamins, etc) comparable to a
highly processed concentrated source of one fatty acid??
Yup, your total lack of education in this area is now confirmed. Babble
on.
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Will Brink @ www.BrinkZone.com
Yeah right,
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Exactly. I'm right. Prove me wrong. Didn't think so.
Let me guess, your degree was in English.
| Quote: | you sell this stuff full force?
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Supporting structures, supporting structures!
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Will Brink
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:22 pm Post subject:
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In article <1149630395.285545.206430@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"msamson11975@yahoo.ca" <msamson11975@yahoo.ca> wrote:
| Quote: | The PDR has information on it's risks and benefits:
Thanks for the link. I'm really getting tired of condradictory
scientific "studies".
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It's your lack of education in this area, not the studies. Does not make
you a bad person per se, just a person who should not comment on topics
he knows nothing about. I don't have an opinion on quantum physics,
'cause (drum roll) I don't have enough knowledge of the topic to have an
opinion.
| Quote: | I think i'll just put fish oil with all the
other supplements and just stick with a variety of whole foods
emphasizing fresh meats and produce and stay away from grains,
starches, and veggie oils.
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Great, does that mean you will stop posting stupid questions?
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msamson11975@yahoo.ca
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:24 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | Great, does that mean you will stop posting stupid questions?
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Will Brink @ www.BrinkZone.com
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Like what, that concentrated highly unstable polyunsaturated fish oils
cause cancer because they are immunosupressive?
Do you really think i'm just making this up? I'm just surprised that
there is so much negative info out there re: fish oil. Shouldn't it be
the cats ass? Common Will, kind of like how Whey is such a healthy
bovine protein?
Where is Montygram...at least he knew what he was talking about. |
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Frank Lee
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:43 am Post subject:
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"Jean Brazwell" <> Will Brink invented both the fish and fish oil. He knows
what he's
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The only oil he likes is vaseline. His publisher (what rag is Brink writing
for now?) likes to grease him up first before poking. |
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Just Cocky
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Joined: 11 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:27 am Post subject:
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On 9 Jun 2006 16:24:56 -0700, "msamson11975@yahoo.ca"
<msamson11975@yahoo.ca> wrote:
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Great, does that mean you will stop posting stupid questions?
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Will Brink @ www.BrinkZone.com
Like what, that concentrated highly unstable polyunsaturated fish oils
cause cancer because they are immunosupressive?
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Of course, omega-3 (as opposed to omega-6) fatty acids help reduce
inflammation and chronic inflammation is one of the main drivers
behind cancer.
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Do you really think i'm just making this up?
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No, you just don't understand the stuff. Everybody knows that omega-6
is pro-inflammatory while omega-3 is anti-inflammatory. Everybody
except you!
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I'm just surprised that there is so much negative info out there
re: fish oil.
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Not from reliable sources.
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Common Will, kind of like how Whey is such a healthy bovine protein?
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Whey *IS* a very healthy bovine protein.
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Where is Montygram...at least he knew what he was talking about.
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I think you are Montygram's alter ego.
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cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt"
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msamson11975@yahoo.ca
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:11 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | No, you just don't understand the stuff. Everybody knows that omega-6
is pro-inflammatory while omega-3 is anti-inflammatory. Everybody
except you!
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No, I know it too. I just think there is more to it than meets the
eye.
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Whey *IS* a very healthy bovine protein.
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So you're saying that if I take a scoop in water that my body is going
to utilize it all? Or will it just go through me?
Q: Are fish oils good for you?
Some of the unsaturated fats in fish are definitely less toxic than
those in corn oil or soy oil, but that doesn't mean they are safe.
Fifty years ago, it was found that a large amount of cod liver oil in
dogs' diet increased their death rate from cancer by 20 times, from the
usual 5% to 100%. A diet rich in fish oil causes intense production of
toxic lipid peroxides, and has been observed to reduce a man's sperm
count to zero. [H. Sinclair, Prog. Lipid Res. 25, 667, 1989.]
-Dr. Ray Peak |
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JMW
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:15 am Post subject:
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"msamson11975@yahoo.ca" <msamson11975@yahoo.ca> wrote:
| Quote: | Will Brink wrote:
"msamson11975@yahoo.ca" <msamson11975@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Just Cocky wrote:
Why are you eating fish if fish oil is such a bad thing?
Since when is eating a whole food with all it's supporting structures
in place (proteins, saturated fats, vitamins, etc) comparable to a
highly processed concentrated source of one fatty acid??
Yup, your total lack of education in this area is now confirmed. Babble
on.
Yeah right, let me guess - you sell this stuff full force?
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Or maybe he has an understanding of the subject that goes beyond
neo-hippie platitudes like "all natural is always better." |
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JMW
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:26 am Post subject:
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"msamson11975@yahoo.ca" <msamson11975@yahoo.ca> wrote:
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Great, does that mean you will stop posting stupid questions?
Like what, that concentrated highly unstable polyunsaturated fish oils
cause cancer because they are immunosupressive?
Do you really think i'm just making this up?
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Yes, I do. Cite one study in a respected peer-reviewed journal, not
some neo-hippie natural food web site ... just one ... that
establishes any substantial link between fish oil and cancer.
Fish oil is slightly immunosuppressive for the same reason that it is
anti-inflammatory. You probably shouldn't use it if you have AIDS.
However, if you have any one of a number of illnesses that involve
inflamed tissues, it can be very beneficial
| Quote: | Where is Montygram...at least he knew what he was talking about.
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If you look hard enough, you can always find another loon who will
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Just Cocky
medicine forum Guru Wannabe
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:28 am Post subject:
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On 9 Jun 2006 20:11:06 -0700, "msamson11975@yahoo.ca"
<msamson11975@yahoo.ca> wrote:
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No, you just don't understand the stuff. Everybody knows that omega-6
is pro-inflammatory while omega-3 is anti-inflammatory. Everybody
except you!
No, I know it too. I just think there is more to it than meets the
eye.
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What you think doesn't really matter. If you have reliable data, share
it, though.
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Whey *IS* a very healthy bovine protein.
So you're saying that if I take a scoop in water that my body is going
to utilize it all? Or will it just go through me?
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Don't know. My guess is that you'll get it all if you don't have any
digestive/malaborption problems.
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Q: Are fish oils good for you?
Some of the unsaturated fats in fish are definitely less toxic than
those in corn oil or soy oil, but that doesn't mean they are safe.
Fifty years ago, it was found that a large amount of cod liver oil in
dogs' diet increased their death rate from cancer by 20 times, from the
usual 5% to 100%. A diet rich in fish oil causes intense production of
toxic lipid peroxides, and has been observed to reduce a man's sperm
count to zero. [H. Sinclair, Prog. Lipid Res. 25, 667, 1989.]
-Dr. Ray Peak
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Here comes the usual montygram bullshit...
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