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californiagirl562
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Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Posts: 2

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:24 am Post subject: Note

crave carbs

I need help, like everyone else. I have fibromyalgia so I don't get the
exercise I need and hate and I crave carbs like crackers and squeeze
cheese , mornings I eat a breakfast bar and coffee, afternoon its the
crackers and cheese, maybe some fruit. Evening maybe a steak but
usually more crackers and cheese. I have to get off this thing. Is
there any supplement out there to help on my carb cravings? Thanks,
Donna

Just Cocky
medicine forum Guru Wannabe

Joined: 11 Aug 2005
Posts: 297

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:38 am Post subject: Note

Re: crave carbs

On 31 May 2006 19:24:39 -0700, "californiagirl562"
<donna.mccrary@gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

Yes, it's called will power.

--
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are
cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt"
-- Bertrand Russell

Jim Chinnis
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Joined: 30 Apr 2005
Posts: 1030

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:07 am Post subject: Note

Re: crave carbs

"californiagirl562" <donna.mccrary@gmail.com> wrote in part:

Quote:

It's circular. Reducing carbs quickly extinguishes the cravings.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu

inthepinks@gmail.com
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Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Posts: 5

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:28 am Post subject: Note

Re: crave carbs

Quote:

TC
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Joined: 02 May 2005
Posts: 1814

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject: Note

Re: crave carbs

A good B vitamin complex. I use Jamieson Stressease. Also 2 to 3 1000
mgs of vitamin C per day.

Also cut the carbs. Go low-carb. Do Atkins or the Zone. As long as you
continue eating junk carbs, you will crave junk carbs. It will take up
to two weeks of low-carbing to get past the cravings, and then you will
have to commit to a lifetime of eating that way.

And a low carb lifestyle will actually mitigate most or all of yor
fibromyalgia symptoms.

TC

californiagirl562 wrote:

Quote:

Ron Peterson
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Joined: 18 May 2005
Posts: 181

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:58 pm Post subject: Note

Re: crave carbs

californiagirl562 wrote:

Quote:

Crackers and cheese, breakfast bar, and steak sound like a high
saturated fat diet. Try hummus on pita bread instead of cheese and
crackers. Try broiled fish, poultry, or pork instead of steak. Eat some
veggies like broccoli, cauliflower, carrots, and Brussels sprouts
instead of potatoes.

For breakfast have some fruit, skim milk, turkey breakfast sausage, and
a carb item.

--
Ron

NoOption5L@aol.com
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Joined: 18 Aug 2005
Posts: 32

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:12 am Post subject: Note

Re: crave carbs

californiagirl562 wrote:

Quote:

Donna,

There's nothing wrong with carbs. Like fats and protein, it's the
quality of them that counts. Most crackers sold are made with enriched
flours. Look for crackers made exclusively from whole grain. Sadly
you'll probably have to visit a quality health food store to buy them,
though "normal" supermarkets are finally offering them in a health food
section or aisle. But what your diet is lacking is variety.

Here are some ideas:

For breakfast try: real whole grain cereals w/non-fat milk, eggs, fresh
fruits/berries, plain (nothing added) nuts, and/or some hot tea --
black, white or green.

Mid-morning snack: plain non-fat yogurt, and add you own fresh fruit,
nuts, oatmeal and/or wheat germ.

Lunch: brown rice, fresh salad (not using any of the common iceberg
lettuce -- use fresh spinich/"spring mix", tomatos, carrots, brocolli )
topped with olive oil/vingar dressing, canned salmon/tuna sandwich
using whole grain bread, baked potato and/or lentil soup.

Afternoon snack: fresh fruit like an apple, banana, fresh berries.

Dinner: steamed green beans, skinless chicken breast, whole grain pasta
w/tomato sauce, glass of milk, and kiwi fruit or watermelon for desert.

(This is has been my type of daily diet now for about twenty years and
having energy has never been a problem for me.)

Bottom line: Start experiencing some new [quality] foods.

Patrick

Doug Freese
medicine forum Guru Wannabe

Joined: 19 May 2005
Posts: 261

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:05 am Post subject: Note

Re: crave carbs

<NoOption5L@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1149214369.790128.32620@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

Quote:

californiagirl562 wrote:
I need help, like everyone else. I have fibromyalgia so I don't get
the
exercise I need and hate and I crave carbs like crackers and squeeze
cheese , mornings I eat a breakfast bar and coffee, afternoon its the
crackers and cheese, maybe some fruit. Evening maybe a steak but
usually more crackers and cheese. I have to get off this thing. Is
there any supplement out there to help on my carb cravings? Thanks,

Donna,

There's nothing wrong with carbs. Like fats and protein, it's the
quality of them that counts. Most crackers sold are made with
enriched
flours. Look for crackers made exclusively from whole grain. Sadly
you'll probably have to visit a quality health food store to buy them,
though "normal" supermarkets are finally offering them in a health
food
section or aisle. But what your diet is lacking is variety.

Here are some ideas:

For breakfast try: real whole grain cereals w/non-fat milk, eggs,
fresh
fruits/berries, plain (nothing added) nuts, and/or some hot tea --
black, white or green.

Mid-morning snack: plain non-fat yogurt, and add you own fresh fruit,
nuts, oatmeal and/or wheat germ.

Lunch: brown rice, fresh salad (not using any of the common iceberg
lettuce -- use fresh spinich/"spring mix", tomatos, carrots,
brocolli )
topped with olive oil/vingar dressing, canned salmon/tuna sandwich
using whole grain bread, baked potato and/or lentil soup.

Afternoon snack: fresh fruit like an apple, banana, fresh berries.

Dinner: steamed green beans, skinless chicken breast, whole grain
pasta
w/tomato sauce, glass of milk, and kiwi fruit or watermelon for
desert.

(This is has been my type of daily diet now for about twenty years and
having energy has never been a problem for me.)

Bottom line: Start experiencing some new [quality] foods.

Patrick

Wow, someone that understands balance and reason. You're rare for SMN
and will be ostracized by the fringe whacko's. Smile

Good advice!!!!

-DF

californiagirl562
medicine forum beginner

Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Posts: 2

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:24 pm Post subject: Note

Re: crave carbs

Thanks to all for there responses, I am printing these out and will
start making some changes. I went on Atkins for a while and managed to
talk myself out of it as being unnatural. A friend of mine lost like
100 lbs looks great and its her lifestyle now.
I'll keep watching as I know lots of others do the same things I do. I
am a widow and only have me to cook for, that creates a problem that I
need to get over.
Donna

inthepinks@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

You can come out of this situation if you willing to do so Donna. It
doesn't mean you can't control your food, although you have
fibromyalgia. Maybe the supplement you need is multivitamin so that it
can help your body to be healthy although you reduce your carb. Hope it
works.

Patty
http://www.inthepink.healthifica.com

californiagirl562 wrote:
I need help, like everyone else. I have fibromyalgia so I don't get the
exercise I need and hate and I crave carbs like crackers and squeeze
cheese , mornings I eat a breakfast bar and coffee, afternoon its the
crackers and cheese, maybe some fruit. Evening maybe a steak but
usually more crackers and cheese. I have to get off this thing. Is
there any supplement out there to help on my carb cravings? Thanks,
Donna

TC
medicine forum Guru

Joined: 02 May 2005
Posts: 1814

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 7:03 pm Post subject: Note

Re: crave carbs

NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:

Quote:

You can skip the grains, low nutrient density regardless or whether it
is refined or whole grain. What is wrong with whole fat milk, added
satiating factor. easy on the berries, lots of sugars. Tea is great.

Quote:

Mid-morning snack: plain non-fat yogurt, and add you own fresh fruit,
nuts, oatmeal and/or wheat germ.

If you eat eggs and bacon and drink whole mlk, you won't need a mid
morning snack. You won't be hungry for 5 hrs or so.

Quote:

Lunch: brown rice, fresh salad (not using any of the common iceberg
lettuce -- use fresh spinich/"spring mix", tomatos, carrots, brocolli )
topped with olive oil/vingar dressing, canned salmon/tuna sandwich
using whole grain bread, baked potato and/or lentil soup.

A good roast beef sandwich on rye bread is very satisfying too. I'd
skip the potato or at least only have a quarter of half at most. Not
nutrient dense enough to make much difference while limitting the carbs
somewhat.

Quote:

Afternoon snack: fresh fruit like an apple, banana, fresh berries.

Again, if you get enough fat and protein at lunch you don't need a
mid-afternoon snack. Sweet fruit will only stimulate your apetite. Nuts
are a good idea if you are hungry.

Quote:

Dinner: steamed green beans, skinless chicken breast, whole grain pasta
w/tomato sauce, glass of milk, and kiwi fruit or watermelon for desert.

Why skinless? The skin contains healthy fat soluble vitamins, collagen
and fat to satiate the apetite. Skip the pasta altogether, not very
nutrient dense at all. Watch the sweet fruits, it'll just stimulate
your apetite for more sweet things.

Eat enough meat with fats to satiate, approx. 4-5 ounces of meat will
do the trick. Beef, pork, chicken, fish,from heathy animals is very
healthy and very nutrient dense and will contains minerals in greater
concentration than from plant sources. Eat a salad and watch the salad
dressing for added sugars or make your own vinaigrette.

Quote:

(This is has been my type of daily diet now for about twenty years and
having energy has never been a problem for me.)

Bottom line: Start experiencing some new [quality] foods.

Patrick

How many presciptions have you needed per year on this diet?

About 6 years ago I went to a diet like this :

1) primarily animal protein and fats
2) plenty of fresh produce
3) watching the amounts of sweet fruits,
4) and a minimal of cereal grains,

and I reduced my medical presriptions needs to zero. Not a single
prescription for any ailment. No infections, no colds, no flus, no
painkillers, no anti-inflammatory drugs, nothing. Nothing but good
health. Blood pressure bang on normal, blood sugars bang on normal,
blood lipids bang on normal. No traces of anxiety/depression.

health (hlth)
n.
The overall condition of an organism at a given time.
Soundness, especially of body or mind; freedom from disease or
abnormality.

I have achieved excellent health by eating the evil animal fats and
proteins and cutting out refined carbs and grains. And lost 25 lbs. And
kept it off EASILY. Without going hungry. Without increasing my level
of activity which has always been about moderate to intermediate.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

TC

NoOption5L@aol.com
medicine forum beginner

Joined: 18 Aug 2005
Posts: 32

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:43 am Post subject: Note

Re: crave carbs

TC wrote:

Quote:

NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:
californiagirl562 wrote:
I need help, like everyone else. I have fibromyalgia so I don't get the
exercise I need and hate and I crave carbs like crackers and squeeze
cheese , mornings I eat a breakfast bar and coffee, afternoon its the
crackers and cheese, maybe some fruit. Evening maybe a steak but
usually more crackers and cheese. I have to get off this thing. Is
there any supplement out there to help on my carb cravings? Thanks,

There's nothing wrong with carbs. Like fats and protein, it's the
quality of them that counts. Most crackers sold are made with enriched
flours. Look for crackers made exclusively from whole grain. Sadly
you'll probably have to visit a quality health food store to buy them,
though "normal" supermarkets are finally offering them in a health food
section or aisle. But what your diet is lacking is variety.

Here are some ideas:

For breakfast try: real whole grain cereals w/non-fat milk, eggs, fresh
fruits/berries, plain (nothing added) nuts, and/or some hot tea --
black, white or green.

You can skip the grains, low nutrient density regardless or whether it
is refined or whole grain.

Here's some good reading for you.

http://www.whfoods.com/

Quote:

What is wrong with whole fat milk, added satiating factor.

Saturated fat.

Quote:

easy on the berries, lots of sugars.

I say eat as many as you want. Lots of antioxidants. I couldn't
imagine a diet without/or with very little fruit. The taste and
goodness you'd miss out on!

Quote:

Tea is great.

You know it.

Quote:

Mid-morning snack: plain non-fat yogurt, and add you own fresh fruit,
nuts, oatmeal and/or wheat germ.

If you eat eggs and bacon and drink whole mlk, you won't need a mid
morning snack. You won't be hungry for 5 hrs or so.

Bacon is laced with the poison sodium nitrate. And it's nothing but
strips of animal fat. Disgusting. Probably better to eat Spam.

Here's the thing. Never eat enough to, or anything, that'll last you
five hours. Grazing is good... eat just enough to kill the hunger
pains and then eat again when the pains come back. Doing this keeps
your blood sugar nice and stable and your energy up.

Quote:

That's an option... a little/lean roast beef, as long as it's between
some whole grain rye bread.

Quote:

I'd skip the potato or at least only have a quarter of half at most. Not
nutrient dense enough to make much difference while limitting the carbs
somewhat.

Wow! You're kidding. Again, do some reading.

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=48

And you can add in (I know technically not a potato) sweet potatoes.
They are simply awesome!! They are my favorites!

Quote:

Afternoon snack: fresh fruit like an apple, banana, fresh berries.

Again, if you get enough fat and protein at lunch you don't need a
mid-afternoon snack.

See above.

Plus, olive oil on the slad will give you fat, and it's MUCH better
than animal fat.

Quote:

Sweet fruit will only stimulate your apetite.

Who told you that? Fruit is great. They have SO many healthy
benefits!! And they're something most people don't eat anywhere near
enough off.

Quote:

Nuts are a good idea if you are hungry.

Nuts are good. I regularly eat many varieties.

Quote:

Dinner: steamed green beans, skinless chicken breast, whole grain pasta
w/tomato sauce, glass of milk, and kiwi fruit or watermelon for desert.

Why skinless? The skin contains healthy fat soluble vitamins, collagen
and fat to satiate the apetite.

That's okay... I'll get my fats... healthy fats, from nuts and
vegetable oils.

Quote:

Skip the pasta altogether, not very nutrient dense at all.

Gosh, what have you been reading?

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=66

And there are lots of good varieties of grains: Spelt, Quinoa, Millet,
Barley, Oats and Amarath are some of my favorites.

Quote:

Watch the sweet fruits, it'll just stimulate your apetite for more sweet things.

That's not true. (Who's telling you that, Dr. Adkins?) Do not limit
your fruit intake... eat as much as you like. Fruit is so power packed
with nutrients cutting them out/reducing your servivings of them would
be a HUGE mistake.

Quote:

Eat enough meat with fats to satiate, approx. 4-5 ounces of meat will
do the trick. Beef, pork, chicken, fish,from heathy animals is very
healthy and very nutrient dense and will contains minerals in greater
concentration than from plant sources.

Yep, 4-5 ounces a day of meat a day from healthly lean animals (or
fish). Ostrich, deer, and bison are some of the best.

Quote:

Eat a salad and watch the salad dressing for added sugars or make your own
vinaigrette.

Good advice.

Quote:

(This is has been my type of daily diet now for about twenty years and
having energy has never been a problem for me.)

Bottom line: Start experiencing some new [quality] foods.

How many presciptions have you needed per year on this diet?

Zero. I rarely, if ever, take any medication (or supplements -- they
have no oversight/regulation). I think it throws your system off.
It's been years since I've been sick.

My waist is 30" and weight 165-168 (height 5' 9"). My waist is the
same as it was in high school (25 years ago), but I've gained about 5-7
(muscle). I'm only a part-time runner, but can run a mile and a half
in under 10 minutes (9:32 is my best) and have run a couple half
marathons (best time a 1:39). My resting heart rate is in the mid 30s.
Blood pressure is optimal.

Quote:

About 6 years ago I went to a diet like this :

1) primarily animal protein and fats
2) plenty of fresh produce
3) watching the amounts of sweet fruits,
4) and a minimal of cereal grains,

and I reduced my medical presriptions needs to zero. Not a single
prescription for any ailment. No infections, no colds, no flus, no
painkillers, no anti-inflammatory drugs, nothing. Nothing but good
health. Blood pressure bang on normal, blood sugars bang on normal,
blood lipids bang on normal. No traces of anxiety/depression.

health (hlth)
n.
The overall condition of an organism at a given time.
Soundness, especially of body or mind; freedom from disease or
abnormality.

I have achieved excellent health by eating the evil animal fats and
proteins and cutting out refined carbs and grains. And lost 25 lbs. And
kept it off EASILY. Without going hungry.

Weight loss doesn't necessarily mean it's from a healthy diet. There
are lots of 'rebel diets' (diets that go against the experts) that can
get/keep you slim. Keeping slim is easy.

Quote:

Without increasing my level of activity which has always been about moderate to
intermediate.

Please define "moderate to intermediate".

Quote:

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

I don't smoke. Never have, never will.

Try testing your diet by lifting weights for a while. See how your
recover/recovery time is. And also try a 45 minute - 2 hour cardio
workout. Let me know how your diet serves you.

I know my diet serves me well. Last year/early this year I didn't run
at all for 6 months. Ran a few times in prep and still was able to
clip off a 10:08 mile and a half. As for lifting weights, I can lift
for a couple hours (and I don't sit around and talk) and still not want
to/be ready to leave... it's hard to stop, but I try to clip it off
after just an hour.

Patrick

TC
medicine forum Guru

Joined: 02 May 2005
Posts: 1814

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:09 am Post subject: Note

Re: crave carbs

NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:

Quote:

TC wrote:
NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:
californiagirl562 wrote:
I need help, like everyone else. I have fibromyalgia so I don't get the
exercise I need and hate and I crave carbs like crackers and squeeze
cheese , mornings I eat a breakfast bar and coffee, afternoon its the
crackers and cheese, maybe some fruit. Evening maybe a steak but
usually more crackers and cheese. I have to get off this thing. Is
there any supplement out there to help on my carb cravings? Thanks,

There's nothing wrong with carbs. Like fats and protein, it's the
quality of them that counts. Most crackers sold are made with enriched
flours. Look for crackers made exclusively from whole grain. Sadly
you'll probably have to visit a quality health food store to buy them,
though "normal" supermarkets are finally offering them in a health food
section or aisle. But what your diet is lacking is variety.

Here are some ideas:

For breakfast try: real whole grain cereals w/non-fat milk, eggs, fresh
fruits/berries, plain (nothing added) nuts, and/or some hot tea --
black, white or green.

You can skip the grains, low nutrient density regardless or whether it
is refined or whole grain.

Here's some good reading for you.

http://www.whfoods.com/

What is wrong with whole fat milk, added satiating factor.

Saturated fat.

easy on the berries, lots of sugars.

I say eat as many as you want. Lots of antioxidants. I couldn't
imagine a diet without/or with very little fruit. The taste and
goodness you'd miss out on!

Tea is great.

You know it.

Mid-morning snack: plain non-fat yogurt, and add you own fresh fruit,
nuts, oatmeal and/or wheat germ.

If you eat eggs and bacon and drink whole mlk, you won't need a mid
morning snack. You won't be hungry for 5 hrs or so.

Bacon is laced with the poison sodium nitrate. And it's nothing but
strips of animal fat. Disgusting. Probably better to eat Spam.

Here's the thing. Never eat enough to, or anything, that'll last you
five hours. Grazing is good... eat just enough to kill the hunger
pains and then eat again when the pains come back. Doing this keeps
your blood sugar nice and stable and your energy up.

Lunch: brown rice, fresh salad (not using any of the common iceberg
lettuce -- use fresh spinich/"spring mix", tomatos, carrots, brocolli )
topped with olive oil/vingar dressing, canned salmon/tuna sandwich
using whole grain bread, baked potato and/or lentil soup.

A good roast beef sandwich on rye bread is very satisfying too.

That's an option... a little/lean roast beef, as long as it's between
some whole grain rye bread.

I'd skip the potato or at least only have a quarter of half at most. Not
nutrient dense enough to make much difference while limitting the carbs
somewhat.

Wow! You're kidding. Again, do some reading.

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=48

And you can add in (I know technically not a potato) sweet potatoes.
They are simply awesome!! They are my favorites!

Afternoon snack: fresh fruit like an apple, banana, fresh berries.

Again, if you get enough fat and protein at lunch you don't need a
mid-afternoon snack.

See above.

Plus, olive oil on the slad will give you fat, and it's MUCH better
than animal fat.

Sweet fruit will only stimulate your apetite.

Who told you that? Fruit is great. They have SO many healthy
benefits!! And they're something most people don't eat anywhere near
enough off.

Nuts are a good idea if you are hungry.

Nuts are good. I regularly eat many varieties.

Dinner: steamed green beans, skinless chicken breast, whole grain pasta
w/tomato sauce, glass of milk, and kiwi fruit or watermelon for desert.

Why skinless? The skin contains healthy fat soluble vitamins, collagen
and fat to satiate the apetite.

That's okay... I'll get my fats... healthy fats, from nuts and
vegetable oils.

Skip the pasta altogether, not very nutrient dense at all.

Gosh, what have you been reading?

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=66

And there are lots of good varieties of grains: Spelt, Quinoa, Millet,
Barley, Oats and Amarath are some of my favorites.

Watch the sweet fruits, it'll just stimulate your apetite for more sweet things.

That's not true. (Who's telling you that, Dr. Adkins?) Do not limit
your fruit intake... eat as much as you like. Fruit is so power packed
with nutrients cutting them out/reducing your servivings of them would
be a HUGE mistake.

Eat enough meat with fats to satiate, approx. 4-5 ounces of meat will
do the trick. Beef, pork, chicken, fish,from heathy animals is very
healthy and very nutrient dense and will contains minerals in greater
concentration than from plant sources.

Yep, 4-5 ounces a day of meat a day from healthly lean animals (or
fish). Ostrich, deer, and bison are some of the best.

Eat a salad and watch the salad dressing for added sugars or make your own
vinaigrette.

Good advice.

(This is has been my type of daily diet now for about twenty years and
having energy has never been a problem for me.)

Bottom line: Start experiencing some new [quality] foods.

How many presciptions have you needed per year on this diet?

Zero. I rarely, if ever, take any medication (or supplements -- they
have no oversight/regulation). I think it throws your system off.
It's been years since I've been sick.

My waist is 30" and weight 165-168 (height 5' 9"). My waist is the
same as it was in high school (25 years ago), but I've gained about 5-7
(muscle). I'm only a part-time runner, but can run a mile and a half
in under 10 minutes (9:32 is my best) and have run a couple half
marathons (best time a 1:39). My resting heart rate is in the mid 30s.
Blood pressure is optimal.

About 6 years ago I went to a diet like this :

1) primarily animal protein and fats
2) plenty of fresh produce
3) watching the amounts of sweet fruits,
4) and a minimal of cereal grains,

and I reduced my medical presriptions needs to zero. Not a single
prescription for any ailment. No infections, no colds, no flus, no
painkillers, no anti-inflammatory drugs, nothing. Nothing but good
health. Blood pressure bang on normal, blood sugars bang on normal,
blood lipids bang on normal. No traces of anxiety/depression.

health (hlth)
n.
The overall condition of an organism at a given time.
Soundness, especially of body or mind; freedom from disease or
abnormality.

I have achieved excellent health by eating the evil animal fats and
proteins and cutting out refined carbs and grains. And lost 25 lbs. And
kept it off EASILY. Without going hungry.

Weight loss doesn't necessarily mean it's from a healthy diet. There
are lots of 'rebel diets' (diets that go against the experts) that can
get/keep you slim. Keeping slim is easy.

Without increasing my level of activity which has always been about moderate to
intermediate.

Please define "moderate to intermediate".

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

I don't smoke. Never have, never will.

Try testing your diet by lifting weights for a while. See how your
recover/recovery time is. And also try a 45 minute - 2 hour cardio
workout. Let me know how your diet serves you.

I know my diet serves me well. Last year/early this year I didn't run
at all for 6 months. Ran a few times in prep and still was able to
clip off a 10:08 mile and a half. As for lifting weights, I can lift
for a couple hours (and I don't sit around and talk) and still not want
to/be ready to leave... it's hard to stop, but I try to clip it off
after just an hour.

Patrick

I noticed that you sidestepped the important health indicators. How
many prescriptions? Any colds? Any flus? Any infections like throat,
ear or yeast infections? What medications in the last year?

Huh?

TC

NoOption5L@aol.com
medicine forum beginner

Joined: 18 Aug 2005
Posts: 32

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:28 am Post subject: Note

Re: crave carbs

Doug Freese wrote:

Quote:

Wow, someone that understands balance and reason. You're rare for SMN
and will be ostracized by the fringe whacko's. Smile

Good advice!!!!

D,

Most of these rebel diets have refined carbs -- white flour, sugar,
soda pop, etc. -- lumped with healthy foods like watermelon, carrots,
peas, baked potatoes and called them all bad. Then declared everyone's
'favorite' foods like bacon, greasy hamburgers and marbled steaks good.
Man, what a diet!! Eat less fruits and veggies (most people don't
like eating them anyways), eat more of that good ol' meat/ cheese and
only have to have some willpower to stop eating the refined foods (they
never ate whole grains to begin with because they were never in their
favorite/popular packaged foods). And lose weight too?! It's so
easy... life is good.

The problem is this: People weren't/aren't getting fat from eating too
much watermelon, carrots, peas, baked potatoes, etc. If these were/are
a cause, it was only because of what they did/do to these foods -- lots
of salad dressing, deep frying, adding salt/sugar. (Not to mention
many of these same folks think exercise is an evil.)

And this: They're missing out on the goodness/and taste of many
fruits, vegetables and whole grains. That's a tragedy. Samplying
nature's vast bounty of fruit, vegetables and whole grains is one of
the best things in life...

Patrick

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californiagirl562 wrote:
I need help, like everyone else. I have fibromyalgia so I don't get
the
exercise I need and hate and I crave carbs like crackers and squeeze
cheese , mornings I eat a breakfast bar and coffee, afternoon its the
crackers and cheese, maybe some fruit. Evening maybe a steak but
usually more crackers and cheese. I have to get off this thing. Is
there any supplement out there to help on my carb cravings? Thanks,

Donna,

There's nothing wrong with carbs. Like fats and protein, it's the
quality of them that counts. Most crackers sold are made with
enriched
flours. Look for crackers made exclusively from whole grain. Sadly
you'll probably have to visit a quality health food store to buy them,
though "normal" supermarkets are finally offering them in a health
food
section or aisle. But what your diet is lacking is variety.

Here are some ideas:

For breakfast try: real whole grain cereals w/non-fat milk, eggs,
fresh
fruits/berries, plain (nothing added) nuts, and/or some hot tea --
black, white or green.

Mid-morning snack: plain non-fat yogurt, and add you own fresh fruit,
nuts, oatmeal and/or wheat germ.

Lunch: brown rice, fresh salad (not using any of the common iceberg
lettuce -- use fresh spinich/"spring mix", tomatos, carrots,
brocolli )
topped with olive oil/vingar dressing, canned salmon/tuna sandwich
using whole grain bread, baked potato and/or lentil soup.

Afternoon snack: fresh fruit like an apple, banana, fresh berries.

Dinner: steamed green beans, skinless chicken breast, whole grain
pasta
w/tomato sauce, glass of milk, and kiwi fruit or watermelon for
desert.

(This is has been my type of daily diet now for about twenty years and
having energy has never been a problem for me.)

Bottom line: Start experiencing some new [quality] foods.

Patrick

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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:49 am Post subject: Note

Re: crave carbs

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I noticed that you sidestepped the important health indicators. How
many prescriptions? Any colds? Any flus? Any infections like throat,
ear or yeast infections? What medications in the last year?

I can't speak for Patrick but I have hardly had a cold in 20 years, so
my fruit, grains, skim milk, fish and minimal meat works very nicely for
me. Lest you think I'm the exception or claim I work for some big bad
carbo company, I have dozens of close running mates that eat the same
and share the same healthfulness. Stop by a local 5/10k race sometime
and look at all those unhealty runners chomping on their carbs. I'll
just bet they are going die real soon.

Your low carb ad nausium (less not eating simple sugars) is for people
that don't/won't exercise to control their weight. Notice the trend
chart on low carb? Is sinking about as fast at Bush's popularity. This
fad diet is over, make way for the next diet blip.

-DF

Jim Chinnis
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Joined: 30 Apr 2005
Posts: 1030

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:27 pm Post subject: Note

Re: crave carbs

NoOption5L@aol.com wrote in part:

Quote:

They're missing out on the goodness/and taste of many
fruits, vegetables and whole grains. That's a tragedy. Samplying
nature's vast bounty of fruit, vegetables and whole grains is one of
the best things in life...

I'm one of those people you are disparaging. A lot of people have problems
with carb cravings and overeating because they eat too many carbs for
someone who is even a tad overweight. I don't suggest that they eat cheese
and meat and stop eating all carbs. I think they should stop eating things
made from flour--whole grain or not--potatoes, rice, and sweets. Make the
carbs count by eating healthy produce, but skip the starchy stuff.

After a while, when the weight has dropped, try adding in some whole grain
stuff and see if the weight stays right and the cravings stay away.

There are really a lot of data of various kinds now that indicate that lots
of high-glycemic carbs aren't so good for at least a lot of us. There's also
a lot of weakness in the arguments that high fat diets are bad for
us--they're probably wrong.

We evolved our metabolisms without eating any "whole grain" at all. The term
is used in the US just to mean ground up, broken seeds from grains, where
the components are present in the flour in the rough proportions they are in
the whole kernels. During our evolution, we ate some whole kernel grains
(with very low glycemic indices) but no "whole grain" breads and such at all
(with their high glycemic indices).

We also didn't profess revulsion at bacon for being fatty. We ate pretty
much the whole animal.

What we didn't have were baked goods, trans fats, and any foods that weren't
"whole." (We also didn't have feed-lot meats [and even fish] raised on
grain, with their altered lipid profiles, but that's a different issue.)
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu

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