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Jason
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 Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 3:43 pm Post subject:
Re: Statins and muscle damage
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In article <1149085922.524031.323410@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Tony
Wesley" <tonywesley@gmail.com> wrote:
Jason Johnson wrote:
| Quote: | Tony,
I read an article that was written by the wife of a man that developed
Rhabdomyolysis as a direct result of taking statins. He lost the use
of his arms, kidneys and legs.
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Yes, you've said that a number of times. You never bother with a
citation. I don't know if you've read this in the New England Journal
of Medicine or Reader's Digest or the National Enquirer. Nor do I have
any way of judging if you've accurately summarized the article.
I do know that you've repeated cited a "report" that is not a report.
This has been pointed out to you a number of times and you continue,
unencumbered by facts.
| Quote: | It appears to me that most people in this
newsgroup have no compassion for those people that have developed statin
induced Rhabdomyolysis.
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You confuse people rejecting your confused rambling with a lack of
compassion. You make an accusation that I find distasteful, to put it
mildly.
Hello,
I copied this sentence from the Hippocratic Oath:
"...I will keep [my patients] from harm..."
Doctor X prescribes statins to a patient.
During the following year, Doctor X does NOT conduct
any blood tests or urine tests to screen for signs
of Rhabdomyolysis which can cause kidney failure. It is
known that statins can cause Rhabdomyolysis.
The patient develops Rhabdomyolysis and loses the use
of his kidneys and has joint pain and muscle pain
for the rest of his life.
Please answer the following questions:
Did Doctor X keep his patient from harm?
Did Doctor X violate the Hippocratic Oath?
Do you believe that doctors that prescribe statins
should or should not screen them for signs of
Rhabdomyolysis?
Before you respond, I suggest that you read this two
page article related to Rhabdomyolysis:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/m |
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listener
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 05 May 2005
Posts: 617
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:38 pm Post subject:
Re: Statins and muscle damage
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jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson) wrote in news:jason-3105060843050001@66-
52-22-49.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net:
| Quote: | Hello,
I copied this sentence from the Hippocratic Oath:
"...I will keep [my patients] from harm..."
Doctor X prescribes statins to a patient.
During the following year, Doctor X does NOT conduct
any blood tests or urine tests to screen for signs
of Rhabdomyolysis which can cause kidney failure. It is
known that statins can cause Rhabdomyolysis.
The patient develops Rhabdomyolysis and loses the use
of his kidneys and has joint pain and muscle pain
for the rest of his life.
Please answer the following questions:
Did Doctor X keep his patient from harm?
Did Doctor X violate the Hippocratic Oath?
Do you believe that doctors that prescribe statins
should or should not screen them for signs of
Rhabdomyolysis?
Before you respond, I suggest that you read this two
page article related to Rhabdomyolysis:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/m
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"Doctor X"? "Hippocratic Oath"?
What is this, a test? Jason, try joining the real world.
Your link is broken.
L. |
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ritpg@hotmail.com
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 22 Jun 2006
Posts: 3
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject:
Re: Statins and muscle damage
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David Rind wrote:
| Quote: | Jason Johnson wrote:
I done some research on this subject last year when I developed muscle
problems as a result of taking statins. I found out (at that time) that
checking the blood levels of creatine kinase (CK) was the best method
of finding out if a patient is experiencing muscle wasting or rhabdomyolysis.
There is no evidence that I know of that checking a CK tells anything at
all about "muscle wasting" in patients on statins. It's not even known
if statins cause "muscle wasting". Feel free to post a citation to a
primary study if you think otherwise.
CK is commonly elevated in people who have muscle symptoms (pain,
weakness, decreased exercise tolerance) on statins, but there is good
evidence that not everyone has an elevated CK even when a statin is
responsible for such symptoms.
As for rhabdomyolysis, a CK would certainly answer that question, but
rhabdo is a rare problem and is not asymptomatic. It has nothing to do
with the OP's question.
--
David Rind
drind@caregroup.harvard.edu
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I have been having a problem with synthetic statins for about 8 years.
My somewhat unscientific observation is that there has been a direct
correlation between the dosage of sysnthetic statin I've taken, my CPK
level and my level of muscular discomfort. My doc has been doing
bloodwork on me at least every 6 months over this period. I personally
think, based on conversations with many people over the years, that
this relationship between synthetic statins and muscular discomfort,
and possibly wasting, is a much large problem than anyone knows or
wants to admit. It's been amazing to me to see how many people have
tended to attribute the pain to aging only to find out that there CPK
is elevated. Such attribution shouldn't surprise anyone because of the
fact that many if not most people taking the synthetic statins belong
to the age group that would tend to make such a connection. I may be
unique in that I've had this problem possibly as long as anyone I know.
I am becomong concerned about the possibility of muscle wasting. I've
noticed that my legs have become very thin compared to the rest of
structure. I've gotten used to the pain but loss of strength, which I
believe I am experiencing (or is it age?), can be even more
disconcerting. So who's going to pay for a proper study? Certainly
not the pharmaceutical companies who are making billions from the sale
of synthetic statins meds. The FDA? That organization has been
nothing short of a joke since the Clinton administration. I hate the
position I'm in: knowing that synthetic statin meds might be killing
me (after all, the heart is a muscle too, right?) while being told that
I have to keep my cholesterol down to the 150 range to survive. I pray
for the day when someone discovers an alternative to statin and I hope
it isn't too late for me. |
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ritpg@hotmail.com
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 22 Jun 2006
Posts: 3
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:32 pm Post subject:
Re: Statins and muscle damage
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listener wrote:
| Quote: | jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson) wrote in news:jason-3105060843050001@66-
52-22-49.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net:
Hello,
I copied this sentence from the Hippocratic Oath:
"...I will keep [my patients] from harm..."
Doctor X prescribes statins to a patient.
During the following year, Doctor X does NOT conduct
any blood tests or urine tests to screen for signs
of Rhabdomyolysis which can cause kidney failure. It is
known that statins can cause Rhabdomyolysis.
The patient develops Rhabdomyolysis and loses the use
of his kidneys and has joint pain and muscle pain
for the rest of his life.
Please answer the following questions:
Did Doctor X keep his patient from harm?
Did Doctor X violate the Hippocratic Oath?
Do you believe that doctors that prescribe statins
should or should not screen them for signs of
Rhabdomyolysis?
Before you respond, I suggest that you read this two
page article related to Rhabdomyolysis:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/m
"Doctor X"? "Hippocratic Oath"?
What is this, a test? Jason, try joining the real world.
Your link is broken.
L.
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My daughter graduated from Medical school a couple of years ago and it
was very worrisome to me to find out that most med. schools don't
administer the Hippcratic Oath any more. In fact I couldn't find one
although my daughter's class did take a very watered down version.
Why? Because everyone knows that the original oath is violated on a
regular basis and that such behavior is not just condoned by the AMA,
it's recommended. If people knew what was going on between their docs
and the pharmaceutical companies, they'd be shocked. Some day this
time will be known as the data age - certainly not the information age.
All the facts are out there but people are so overwhelmed by data,
they can't see the forest for the trees. And their lives literally
depend on the integrity of organizations who are controlled by the
profit motive. Granted, we have wonderful medicines and procedures
that have largely extended our life expectency. But I believe we have
entered a new era, one far less altruistic than the one that created
the basis for the good things we have. |
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William Wagner
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 29 Apr 2005
Posts: 809
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:35 pm Post subject:
Re: Statins and muscle damage
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In article <1151007352.165343.249150@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
ritpg@hotmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | David Rind wrote:
Jason Johnson wrote:
I done some research on this subject last year when I developed muscle
problems as a result of taking statins. I found out (at that time) that
checking the blood levels of creatine kinase (CK) was the best method
of finding out if a patient is experiencing muscle wasting or
rhabdomyolysis.
There is no evidence that I know of that checking a CK tells anything at
all about "muscle wasting" in patients on statins. It's not even known
if statins cause "muscle wasting". Feel free to post a citation to a
primary study if you think otherwise.
CK is commonly elevated in people who have muscle symptoms (pain,
weakness, decreased exercise tolerance) on statins, but there is good
evidence that not everyone has an elevated CK even when a statin is
responsible for such symptoms.
As for rhabdomyolysis, a CK would certainly answer that question, but
rhabdo is a rare problem and is not asymptomatic. It has nothing to do
with the OP's question.
--
David Rind
drind@caregroup.harvard.edu
I have been having a problem with synthetic statins for about 8 years.
My somewhat unscientific observation is that there has been a direct
correlation between the dosage of sysnthetic statin I've taken, my CPK
level and my level of muscular discomfort. My doc has been doing
bloodwork on me at least every 6 months over this period. I personally
think, based on conversations with many people over the years, that
this relationship between synthetic statins and muscular discomfort,
and possibly wasting, is a much large problem than anyone knows or
wants to admit. It's been amazing to me to see how many people have
tended to attribute the pain to aging only to find out that there CPK
is elevated. Such attribution shouldn't surprise anyone because of the
fact that many if not most people taking the synthetic statins belong
to the age group that would tend to make such a connection. I may be
unique in that I've had this problem possibly as long as anyone I know.
I am becomong concerned about the possibility of muscle wasting. I've
noticed that my legs have become very thin compared to the rest of
structure. I've gotten used to the pain but loss of strength, which I
believe I am experiencing (or is it age?), can be even more
disconcerting. So who's going to pay for a proper study? Certainly
not the pharmaceutical companies who are making billions from the sale
of synthetic statins meds. The FDA? That organization has been
nothing short of a joke since the Clinton administration. I hate the
position I'm in: knowing that synthetic statin meds might be killing
me (after all, the heart is a muscle too, right?) while being told that
I have to keep my cholesterol down to the 150 range to survive. I pray
for the day when someone discovers an alternative to statin and I hope
it isn't too late for me.
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Took me three years to notice something was amiss. I say it again
Measure your calf and forearms and document. I lost 22% and wonder if
my heart had similar loss. First two years at lower dosage was not
discernible . Lipitor at 80 put me over the edge. I was thinking about
a walker...no lie.
Obscenity that.
Bill
--
S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade
This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with
Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational
and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit. |
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ritpg@hotmail.com
medicine forum beginner
Joined: 22 Jun 2006
Posts: 3
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:50 pm Post subject:
Re: Statins and muscle damage
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William Wagner wrote:
| Quote: | In article <1151007352.165343.249150@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
ritpg@hotmail.com wrote:
David Rind wrote:
Jason Johnson wrote:
I done some research on this subject last year when I developed muscle
problems as a result of taking statins. I found out (at that time) that
checking the blood levels of creatine kinase (CK) was the best method
of finding out if a patient is experiencing muscle wasting or
rhabdomyolysis.
There is no evidence that I know of that checking a CK tells anything at
all about "muscle wasting" in patients on statins. It's not even known
if statins cause "muscle wasting". Feel free to post a citation to a
primary study if you think otherwise.
CK is commonly elevated in people who have muscle symptoms (pain,
weakness, decreased exercise tolerance) on statins, but there is good
evidence that not everyone has an elevated CK even when a statin is
responsible for such symptoms.
As for rhabdomyolysis, a CK would certainly answer that question, but
rhabdo is a rare problem and is not asymptomatic. It has nothing to do
with the OP's question.
--
David Rind
drind@caregroup.harvard.edu
I have been having a problem with synthetic statins for about 8 years.
My somewhat unscientific observation is that there has been a direct
correlation between the dosage of sysnthetic statin I've taken, my CPK
level and my level of muscular discomfort. My doc has been doing
bloodwork on me at least every 6 months over this period. I personally
think, based on conversations with many people over the years, that
this relationship between synthetic statins and muscular discomfort,
and possibly wasting, is a much large problem than anyone knows or
wants to admit. It's been amazing to me to see how many people have
tended to attribute the pain to aging only to find out that there CPK
is elevated. Such attribution shouldn't surprise anyone because of the
fact that many if not most people taking the synthetic statins belong
to the age group that would tend to make such a connection. I may be
unique in that I've had this problem possibly as long as anyone I know.
I am becomong concerned about the possibility of muscle wasting. I've
noticed that my legs have become very thin compared to the rest of
structure. I've gotten used to the pain but loss of strength, which I
believe I am experiencing (or is it age?), can be even more
disconcerting. So who's going to pay for a proper study? Certainly
not the pharmaceutical companies who are making billions from the sale
of synthetic statins meds. The FDA? That organization has been
nothing short of a joke since the Clinton administration. I hate the
position I'm in: knowing that synthetic statin meds might be killing
me (after all, the heart is a muscle too, right?) while being told that
I have to keep my cholesterol down to the 150 range to survive. I pray
for the day when someone discovers an alternative to statin and I hope
it isn't too late for me.
Took me three years to notice something was amiss. I say it again
Measure your calf and forearms and document. I lost 22% and wonder if
my heart had similar loss. First two years at lower dosage was not
discernible . Lipitor at 80 put me over the edge. I was thinking about
a walker...no lie.
Obscenity that.
Bill
--
S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade
This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with
Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational
and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit.
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William Wagner
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 29 Apr 2005
Posts: 809
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:42 pm Post subject:
Re: Statins and muscle damage
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In article <1151009402.138103.125960@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
ritpg@hotmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | William Wagner wrote:
In article <1151007352.165343.249150@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
ritpg@hotmail.com wrote:
David Rind wrote:
Jason Johnson wrote:
I done some research on this subject last year when I developed
muscle
problems as a result of taking statins. I found out (at that time)
that
checking the blood levels of creatine kinase (CK) was the best method
of finding out if a patient is experiencing muscle wasting or
rhabdomyolysis.
There is no evidence that I know of that checking a CK tells anything
at
all about "muscle wasting" in patients on statins. It's not even known
if statins cause "muscle wasting". Feel free to post a citation to a
primary study if you think otherwise.
CK is commonly elevated in people who have muscle symptoms (pain,
weakness, decreased exercise tolerance) on statins, but there is good
evidence that not everyone has an elevated CK even when a statin is
responsible for such symptoms.
As for rhabdomyolysis, a CK would certainly answer that question, but
rhabdo is a rare problem and is not asymptomatic. It has nothing to do
with the OP's question.
--
David Rind
drind@caregroup.harvard.edu
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| Quote: |
I have been having a problem with synthetic statins for about 8 years.
My somewhat unscientific observation is that there has been a direct
correlation between the dosage of sysnthetic statin I've taken, my CPK
level and my level of muscular discomfort. My doc has been doing
bloodwork on me at least every 6 months over this period. I personally
think, based on conversations with many people over the years, that
this relationship between synthetic statins and muscular discomfort,
and possibly wasting, is a much large problem than anyone knows or
wants to admit. It's been amazing to me to see how many people have
tended to attribute the pain to aging only to find out that there CPK
is elevated. Such attribution shouldn't surprise anyone because of the
fact that many if not most people taking the synthetic statins belong
to the age group that would tend to make such a connection. I may be
unique in that I've had this problem possibly as long as anyone I know.
I am becomong concerned about the possibility of muscle wasting. I've
noticed that my legs have become very thin compared to the rest of
structure. I've gotten used to the pain but loss of strength, which I
believe I am experiencing (or is it age?), can be even more
disconcerting. So who's going to pay for a proper study? Certainly
not the pharmaceutical companies who are making billions from the sale
of synthetic statins meds. The FDA? That organization has been
nothing short of a joke since the Clinton administration. I hate the
position I'm in: knowing that synthetic statin meds might be killing
me (after all, the heart is a muscle too, right?) while being told that
I have to keep my cholesterol down to the 150 range to survive. I pray
for the day when someone discovers an alternative to statin and I hope
it isn't too late for me.
Took me three years to notice something was amiss. I say it again
Measure your calf and forearms and document. I lost 22% and wonder if
my heart had similar loss. First two years at lower dosage was not
discernible . Lipitor at 80 put me over the edge. I was thinking about
a walker...no lie.
Obscenity that.
Bill
--
S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade
This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with
Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational
and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit.
So, Bill, what are you doing in the absence of synthetic statins?
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Heart Omega-3 Fish oil 500 300 for 41.95 vs-1045 .14 ea x2
=.28
Heart Flax Seed oil 1000 300 for 19.00 vs-1228 .06 ea x2
=.12
Heart Ester-c 500 300 for 19.96 vs-1347 .07 ea x2
=.14
Heart Cocoa Extracr 60 caps for 6.00 AmerMed.com .10 ea x2
=.20
Heart Asprin 300 caps 81 mg for 12.00 Bayer .04 ea x2
=.08
Heart Hawthorn Berrie extract 300 caps for 24.97 vs-1741 .08 ea x2
=.16
Heart Garlic 300 tab 500 mg vs-1184 for 15.00 .05 ea x2
= .10
Heart alpha-lipoic acid 120 tabs 100 mg for 12.49 vs-1397 .10 ea x2
=.20
Heart L-Arginine 300 tabs 500 mg vs-1382 for 21.00 .07 ea x2
=.14
Blood Sugar Cinnamon Extract 100 500 mg for 9.97 vs-2361 .10 ea x2
=.20
Heart Pantethine 90 softgels 300 mg for 24.00 .26 ea x2
=.52
Heart no-flush niacin 100 caps 500 mg vs-1310 .13 ea x2
=.26
Heart Multiple 180 for 21.99 Natrol .12 ea x2
=.24
Heart Grape Seed 300 tabs 60 mg vs-2118 for 49.00 .16 ea x2
=.32
Heart Pomegranate 100 Caps 250 mg vs-2220 for 3.00 .03 ea x2
=.06
Heart Calcium citrate 600 tabs 500 mg vs-1123 for 21.00 .04 ea x2
= .08
Heart Potassium Citrate300 tabs 99 mg vs-1081 for 11.00 .04 ea x2
= .08
Heart Lecithin 300 softgels 1200 mg vs-1041 for 13.00 .04 ea x2
= .08
Heart Pycnogenol 90 tabs 50 mg vs-2167 for 36.00 .40 ea x1
=.40
Heart Folic Acid 300 caps 800 mcg vs-1149 for 9.00 .03 ea
x1 = .03
Heart L-Carnitine 150 tabs 500 mg vs-1698 for 45.00 .30 ea x1
= .30
Heart CO Q-10 60 softgels 300 mg vs-2289 for 81.00 1.35 ea x1
=1.35
Heart Magnesium Glycinate 180 tabs 400 mg for 18.00 .10 ea x1
= .10
Total = 5.04 * 30 = 151 * 12 = 1814 5.04*7 = $35 a week
Each .10 * 30 = 3 * 12 = 36
Red Grapefruit juice daily
X1 and X2 means times a day
Whew!!!! Took me awhile to figure this out now the task is to weed it
out and remove useless. )
VS a label at the vitamin shop store online. Other options abound!
Of course this is bull s**t but NO SIDE EFFECTS. Magnesium and loose
stools...Hmmm?
First cause no harm resonates in the distance.
Bill
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S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade
This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with
Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational
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Jason
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 29 Apr 2005
Posts: 1120
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:51 pm Post subject:
Re: Statins and muscle damage
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In article <1151008321.447314.186810@y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
ritpg@hotmail.com wrote:
listener wrote:
| Quote: | jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson) wrote in news:jason-3105060843050001@66-
52-22-49.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net:
Hello,
I copied this sentence from the Hippocratic Oath:
"...I will keep [my patients] from harm..."
Doctor X prescribes statins to a patient.
During the following year, Doctor X does NOT conduct
any blood tests or urine tests to screen for signs
of Rhabdomyolysis which can cause kidney failure. It is
known that statins can cause Rhabdomyolysis.
The patient develops Rhabdomyolysis and loses the use
of his kidneys and has joint pain and muscle pain
for the rest of his life.
Please answer the following questions:
Did Doctor X keep his patient from harm?
Did Doctor X violate the Hippocratic Oath?
Do you believe that doctors that prescribe statins
should or should not screen them for signs of
Rhabdomyolysis?
Before you respond, I suggest that you read this two
page article related to Rhabdomyolysis:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/m
"Doctor X"? "Hippocratic Oath"?
What is this, a test? Jason, try joining the real world.
Your link is broken.
L.
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My daughter graduated from Medical school a couple of years ago and it
was very worrisome to me to find out that most med. schools don't
administer the Hippcratic Oath any more. In fact I couldn't find one
although my daughter's class did take a very watered down version.
Why? Because everyone knows that the original oath is violated on a
regular basis and that such behavior is not just condoned by the AMA,
it's recommended. If people knew what was going on between their docs
and the pharmaceutical companies, they'd be shocked. Some day this
time will be known as the data age - certainly not the information age.
All the facts are out there but people are so overwhelmed by data,
they can't see the forest for the trees. And their lives literally
depend on the integrity of organizations who are controlled by the
profit motive. Granted, we have wonderful medicines and procedures
that have largely extended our life expectency. But I believe we have
entered a new era, one far less altruistic than the one that created
the basis for the good things we have.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hello,
Thanks for your excellent post. I was not aware that doctors no longer
have to take the real Hippcratic Oath. Doctors in one of the states can
now legally kill people that want to be killed. Abortion doctors in all of
the states kill unborn babies on a daily basis. It's not shocking to me
that doctors no longer take the real Hippcratic Oath. I seem to recall
that one line of the original oath is related to not causing any harm to
their patients. Of course, when they kill unborn babies or kill people
that request it--they are causing MAJOR harm to their patients. "Beam me
up Scotty--there is no intelligent life down year."
Thanks again for your post.
Jason
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Jason
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject:
Re: Statins and muscle damage
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In article <1151007352.165343.249150@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
ritpg@hotmail.com wrote:
David Rind wrote:
| Quote: | Jason Johnson wrote:
I done some research on this subject last year when I developed muscle
problems as a result of taking statins. I found out (at that time) that
checking the blood levels of creatine kinase (CK) was the best method
of finding out if a patient is experiencing muscle wasting or
rhabdomyolysis.
There is no evidence that I know of that checking a CK tells anything at
all about "muscle wasting" in patients on statins. It's not even known
if statins cause "muscle wasting". Feel free to post a citation to a
primary study if you think otherwise.
CK is commonly elevated in people who have muscle symptoms (pain,
weakness, decreased exercise tolerance) on statins, but there is good
evidence that not everyone has an elevated CK even when a statin is
responsible for such symptoms.
As for rhabdomyolysis, a CK would certainly answer that question, but
rhabdo is a rare problem and is not asymptomatic. It has nothing to do
with the OP's question.
--
David Rind
drind@caregroup.harvard.edu
|
I have been having a problem with synthetic statins for about 8 years.
My somewhat unscientific observation is that there has been a direct
correlation between the dosage of sysnthetic statin I've taken, my CPK
level and my level of muscular discomfort. My doc has been doing
bloodwork on me at least every 6 months over this period. I personally
think, based on conversations with many people over the years, that
this relationship between synthetic statins and muscular discomfort,
and possibly wasting, is a much large problem than anyone knows or
wants to admit. It's been amazing to me to see how many people have
tended to attribute the pain to aging only to find out that there CPK
is elevated. Such attribution shouldn't surprise anyone because of the
fact that many if not most people taking the synthetic statins belong
to the age group that would tend to make such a connection. I may be
unique in that I've had this problem possibly as long as anyone I know.
I am becomong concerned about the possibility of muscle wasting. I've
noticed that my legs have become very thin compared to the rest of
structure. I've gotten used to the pain but loss of strength, which I
believe I am experiencing (or is it age?), can be even more
disconcerting. So who's going to pay for a proper study? Certainly
not the pharmaceutical companies who are making billions from the sale
of synthetic statins meds. The FDA? That organization has been
nothing short of a joke since the Clinton administration. I hate the
position I'm in: knowing that synthetic statin meds might be killing
me (after all, the heart is a muscle too, right?) while being told that
I have to keep my cholesterol down to the 150 range to survive. I pray
for the day when someone discovers an alternative to statin and I hope
it isn't too late for me.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hello,
I suggest that you read this book ASAP:
WHAT YOU MUST KNOW ABOUT STATIN DRUGS AND THEIR NATURAL ALTERNATIVES
by Jay S. Cohen, M.D.
I am sorry that you are having these problems. I wish that I had never taken
statin pills.
Jason
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listener
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jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson) wrote in news:jason-2206061451030001@66-
52-22-1.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net:
| Quote: | Hello,
Thanks for your excellent post. I was not aware that doctors no longer
have to take the real Hippcratic Oath. Doctors in one of the states can
now legally kill people that want to be killed. Abortion doctors in all
of
the states kill unborn babies on a daily basis. It's not shocking to me
that doctors no longer take the real Hippcratic Oath. I seem to recall
that one line of the original oath is related to not causing any harm to
their patients. Of course, when they kill unborn babies or kill people
that request it--they are causing MAJOR harm to their patients. "Beam me
up Scotty--there is no intelligent life down year."
Thanks again for your post.
Jason
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Hopefully, you will never find yourself terminally ill, in excruciating
pain and wishing to die with some dignity or have a daughter who gets
knocked up at 15.
You just went from bad to worse.
L. |
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Jason
medicine forum Guru
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Posts: 1120
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:51 am Post subject:
Re: Statins and muscle damage
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In article <Xns97EAD1A9F1054some1outthere@198.186.190.224>, listener
<listener@nospam.net> wrote:
jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson) wrote in news:jason-2206061451030001@66-
52-22-1.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net:
| Quote: | Hello,
Thanks for your excellent post. I was not aware that doctors no longer
have to take the real Hippcratic Oath. Doctors in one of the states can
now legally kill people that want to be killed. Abortion doctors in all
of
the states kill unborn babies on a daily basis. It's not shocking to me
that doctors no longer take the real Hippcratic Oath. I seem to recall
that one line of the original oath is related to not causing any harm to
their patients. Of course, when they kill unborn babies or kill people
that request it--they are causing MAJOR harm to their patients. "Beam me
up Scotty--there is no intelligent life down year."
Thanks again for your post.
Jason
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Hopefully, you will never find yourself terminally ill, in excruciating
pain and wishing to die with some dignity or have a daughter who gets
knocked up at 15.
You just went from bad to worse.
L.
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L.
My lawyer wrote a "Advance Health Care Directive" aka Living Will for me
and I signed it in front of three witnesses. There is a "morning after"
pill that I hope prevents millions of abortions. Do you believe that
doctors should be allowed to do abortions during the last trimester?
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listener
medicine forum Guru
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Posts: 617
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:21 pm Post subject:
Re: Statins and muscle damage
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jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson) wrote in news:jason-2206062051000001@66-
52-22-68.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net:
| Quote: | In article <Xns97EAD1A9F1054some1outthere@198.186.190.224>, listener
listener@nospam.net> wrote:
jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson) wrote in news:jason-2206061451030001@
66-
52-22-1.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net:
Hello,
Thanks for your excellent post. I was not aware that doctors no
longer
have to take the real Hippcratic Oath. Doctors in one of the states
can
now legally kill people that want to be killed. Abortion doctors in
all
of
the states kill unborn babies on a daily basis. It's not shocking to
me
that doctors no longer take the real Hippcratic Oath. I seem to
recall
that one line of the original oath is related to not causing any harm
to
their patients. Of course, when they kill unborn babies or kill
people
that request it--they are causing MAJOR harm to their patients. "Beam
me
up Scotty--there is no intelligent life down year."
Thanks again for your post.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hopefully, you will never find yourself terminally ill, in
excruciating
pain and wishing to die with some dignity or have a daughter who gets
knocked up at 15.
You just went from bad to worse.
L.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
L.
My lawyer wrote a "Advance Health Care Directive" aka Living Will for
me
and I signed it in front of three witnesses. There is a "morning after"
pill that I hope prevents millions of abortions. Do you believe that
doctors should be allowed to do abortions during the last trimester?
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If that's what the patient requests, yes.
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Jason
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 29 Apr 2005
Posts: 1120
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| Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:32 pm Post subject:
Re: Statins and muscle damage
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In article <Xns97EB737DF2EAEsome1outthere@198.186.190.224>, listener
<listener@nospam.net> wrote:
jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson) wrote in news:jason-2206062051000001@66-
52-22-68.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net:
| Quote: | In article <Xns97EAD1A9F1054some1outthere@198.186.190.224>, listener
listener@nospam.net> wrote:
jason@nospam.com (Jason Johnson) wrote in news:jason-2206061451030001@
66-
52-22-1.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net:
Hello,
Thanks for your excellent post. I was not aware that doctors no
longer
have to take the real Hippcratic Oath. Doctors in one of the states
can
now legally kill people that want to be killed. Abortion doctors in
all
of
the states kill unborn babies on a daily basis. It's not shocking to
me
that doctors no longer take the real Hippcratic Oath. I seem to
recall
that one line of the original oath is related to not causing any harm
to
their patients. Of course, when they kill unborn babies or kill
people
that request it--they are causing MAJOR harm to their patients. "Beam
me
up Scotty--there is no intelligent life down year."
Thanks again for your post.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hopefully, you will never find yourself terminally ill, in
excruciating
pain and wishing to die with some dignity or have a daughter who gets
knocked up at 15.
You just went from bad to worse.
L.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
L.
My lawyer wrote a "Advance Health Care Directive" aka Living Will for
me
and I signed it in front of three witnesses. There is a "morning after"
pill that I hope prevents millions of abortions. Do you believe that
doctors should be allowed to do abortions during the last trimester?
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If that's what the patient requests, yes.
L.
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L.,
Two simple questions:
A man that suffers from clinical depression lives in a state where
euthanasia is legal. If that man asked his doctor to kill him and the
doctor granted his request, would that be doing harm to his patient?
A woman decides to have an abortion during the ninth month of her pregnancy.
If an abortion doctor granted her request, would that doctor be doing harm to
that baby?
Jason
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Tony Wesley
medicine forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 27 Jul 2005
Posts: 121
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Jason Johnson wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks for your excellent post. I was not aware that doctors no longer
have to take the real Hippcratic Oath.
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You are concerned because doctors don't take an oath that begins:
"I swear by Apollo the physician, by Æsculapius, Hygeia, and Panacea,
and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep
according to my ability and my judgement, the following Oath." |
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William Wagner
medicine forum Guru
Joined: 29 Apr 2005
Posts: 809
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In article <1151086038.786483.249970@y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
"Tony Wesley" <tonywesley@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "I swear by Apollo the physician, by Æsculapius, Hygeia, and Panacea,
and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep
according to my ability and my judgement, the following Oath."
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"I swear by Apollo the physician, by sculapius, Hygiene the goddess of
health, and remedy for all ills or diseases ,
| Quote: | and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep
according to my ability and my judgement, the following Oath."
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The first with the weird font means what?
Curious!
Bill
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S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade
This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with
Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational
and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit. |
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